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It could be that you are trying too hard - girls here smell mens desperation or that they are being too pushy and just ignore you. You have to walk a fine line about when slavic girls - about being manly and in command and too giving them space.

A russian friend of mine compare dating russian girls to training a wild horse. There is something too it. It is definitly another kind of game than in the west.

(05-10-2018 05:00 PM)Garibaldi Wrote:  
(05-10-2018 12:04 PM)invictusiii Wrote:  For some reason this trip, I've had a rash of girls just flat out ghosting or blocking me for no fucking reason. All daygame chicks that I felt number closed really strong. They were even texting enthusiastically afterwards. Problem was they were too "busy" to meet for a date and days later they just stop responding or even block me. Never had this happen in previous trips so it's baffling.

Perhaps because, like a rash, they found you rather irritating and gave you their number to get rid of you. Don't worry it even happens to the best of us sometimes.

Could be some fatal flaws on your texting, you can upload some screenshots and we will be only too happy to dissect them and offer you some constructive criticism
05-12-2018 05:25 AM
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(05-04-2018 06:23 PM)Rocha Wrote:  You don't need to wonder because I gave you openess to ask me directly anything, as we already talked in several pm's.

What could make me sad was if this thread turned into a Poland thread 2.0 with all the whining I see over there.

Didn't want to bother you with more PMs mate. I love soccer and I can match you (possibly beat?) you with my passion for soccer, but frankly I think you are lightyears ahead of me in Game, especially FSU Game. Continuing to ask you questions is just going to waste your time and I wouldn't be able to implement due to not only your Russian ability but also your cultural awareness and awareness of how these FSU women work. Although of course I much appreciate your help and openness.

No, I wouldn't want to see this as Poland 2.0 either, but you're the one who's saying it used to be 9:1 F:M now it's full of Turks and Arabs and Georgians and Armenians. I don't think you're complaining, because what you're saying, it is true. What I wonder is how the hell do Turks and Armenians exist in the same building without some serious shit going down...

Note: this year not excited for the CL final however because Madrid have been gifted the cup by referees, it's not just some conspiracy theory, nearly every 50/50 goes their way, and they always have a few game winning decisions go their way in each knockout round. A choice between RM and Liverpool, I would hope for Liverpool, but I would still not be happy about it. Only hope for Liverpool is hitting RM quick and fast with their front three taking all their chances. On team strength and performances I think the final should be Bayern v Juve, but it's those decisions that make the matches.

What Danishguy said so far seems quite true to me about slavic girls being like training a wild horse. It's different from the west. You have to go for it, but if you're too pushy they may just ghost. I agree when he says that you have to walk a fine line between being manly and in command and also just giving them some space. Danishguy, you should post more mate, though I understand why you don't.

Invictus, that could either be poor texting afterwards or some of them giving you the number to get rid of you. However I didn't find that numbers are given out like candy as in the US. If a girl doesn't want to give her number out/can't give it, she won't. Apart from the non-English speakers in Poland, the numbers I got were solid and any leads I messed up were from my own texting errors. If they are messaging you back at first it might suggest you made an error by text. Again, I couldn't put my finger on it, but like Danishguy said, it was such a fine line between being manly, in command, protective, and just giving them space. I thought girls ghosted on me but they were probably either busy or checking I wasn't just there for the weekend or on the fence about it, because sometimes I pulled and they responded with a date. Other times I pulled (too hard maybe) and then silence. I gave them space, or sometimes a last gasp push via text and I'd get a paragraph of apologies.

It seems you can't be an asshole, you can't be a pussy, you can't be many things between the two extremes, you've got to be on this fine line and adjust your position between the two extremes depending on where the girl is at mentally.

At first with the text "game", I was trying to be as logistical and straightforward as possible. No fancy cocky/funny routines, no comfort bullshit, just target of getting to the date, or the 2nd date etc. But clearly there is some "game" to do by text, I just have no idea which.
05-12-2018 11:12 PM
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05-14-2018 06:51 AM
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@danishguy ...I like rhe wild horse analogy.
But I wonder if it is just conditioning.
I was talking to a girl yesterday she's in kiev but came from western ukraine.
long story short she wants to go to Austria to university. I asked why if you lived by Lviv near polish border you don't go to university there....her reply poles think ukrainians are beneath them.
I got the opinioin from her that she thinks a lot of the western world doesn't think highly of ukranians

Next her own culture is corrupt...nobody can get ahead..she's sick of the lying and stealing.She knows for a fact she is never goung to get ahead here.

The western guys have got to understand the level of mistrust...to plane loads of liars that fly in everyday (major cities). The chicks want that western dream we sell so badly....they realize they ain't getting any yiounger ( they dress to the 9's for a reason they know there youth value)
I find the chicks very sweet and funny in general but you got to build trust. Don't sell bullshit. Be sincere, be around one area a lot and become friendly genuine

Another thing is in my experience the Ukranian chicks are more aggressive. They are more internally driven to target and engage...money/better life. If you ain't getting strong eye cintact from the women it's because of the cargo shorts and black tee shirt.

I also suggest 2 smartphones...2 different numbers seems to work when I get more serious about a chick and use one with her...and the other for bad boy stuff and apps....fuck u can get a vodofone SIM for 5 bucks here. I got two phones with duo SIM holders. Seems to work

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I'm just gonna chalk up the silence to life happens. Both interactions I referenced had very strong and enjoyable initial conversations. We talked for quite a while before we both went separate ways and exchanged numbers. Texting was pretty much setting up dates. Both girls cancelled the first so I texted trying to follow up. One straight up flaked after saying she was "happy to meet". Then silence. I've gamed Ukrainian girls for a while now and am familiar with how temperamental they can be. These just seemed very odd and both happening so close to each other just caught me off guard. It's all good though. Heading to Belgrade tomorrow so we'll see how that goes.

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05-15-2018 07:01 AM
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(05-14-2018 01:18 PM)Incubus Wrote:  @danishguy ...I like rhe wild horse analogy.
But I wonder if it is just conditioning.
I was talking to a girl yesterday she's in kiev but came from western ukraine.
long story short she wants to go to Austria to university. I asked why if you lived by Lviv near polish border you don't go to university there....her reply poles think ukrainians are beneath them.
I got the opinioin from her that she thinks a lot of the western world doesn't think highly of ukranians

Next her own culture is corrupt...nobody can get ahead..she's sick of the lying and stealing.She knows for a fact she is never goung to get ahead here.

The western guys have got to understand the level of mistrust...to plane loads of liars that fly in everyday (major cities). The chicks want that western dream we sell so badly....they realize they ain't getting any yiounger ( they dress to the 9's for a reason they know there youth value)
I find the chicks very sweet and funny in general but you got to build trust. Don't sell bullshit. Be sincere, be around one area a lot and become friendly genuine

Another thing is in my experience the Ukranian chicks are more aggressive. They are more internally driven to target and engage...money/better life. If you ain't getting strong eye cintact from the women it's because of the cargo shorts and black tee shirt.

I also suggest 2 smartphones...2 different numbers seems to work when I get more serious about a chick and use one with her...and the other for bad boy stuff and apps....fuck u can get a vodofone SIM for 5 bucks here. I got two phones with duo SIM holders. Seems to work

Smartohone typing sycks...not speklchekd

Agree with the part concerning the image of Ukrainians abroad - let's face it the long held stereotypes about Ukrainian women(and Russian) are mostly true

But sick of lying and stealing? Ukrainian girls are champion liars, and makes us visiting philanderers look like pussycats in comparison.

Also, Ukrainian girls never commit to anything, jobs, boyfriends, husbands, dates, you name it.

Lying is not considered a mortal sin in Ukraine like in most of our countries. They see honesty as a weakness in men, and it will often work against you.

I suggest the opposite and bullshit them all the way, if the girls solely want to chase money and you don't have it, then BS them

When in Rome
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@BangBoy123.. yes ...most of what you wrote on Ukraine chicks is true. They probe during a relationship for trust honesty commitment....and keep one foot out the door for when the relationship tanks(always will to them...they get older and ugly-er can't compete with young chicks anymore even at 26 ish)...I am going to assume a failure rate of 90 percent for any stupid Ukranian chick that actually thinks of getting out of their shit lives by "trusting a western rich prince"...and any chick that doesn't already know they have a "best before due date".. needs to have her head examined.
Ukrainian chicks are realistic and practical....and as they age get frantic(crazy)

I have heard enough on Ukranian men ...drunks...cheaters...shit jobs. from the women...but I don't blame the Ukraine guys....the country is a basket case economically it's stress and hardship..fuck we would all be drunks under the loss of hope there

Crazy happens "in a relationship" but what happens when you don't want one? The Ukraine chicks want you to want a relationship and get into one deep.
Lets remember if you assume like I do "they have no hope (males/females) then there is no hurry to do anything... you keep the upper hand and you lead.

A girl I started seeing last week apologized tonight for what she called "her nervousness today"...I had put it down to bitch earlier. Then after the apology I wondered ...this chick knew she was loopy. I'll cap it KNEW IT....and this chicks culture is to apologize for nothing (nothing to say sorry for when in survival mode..eat or be eaten go with your instincts). Why was she fucked up? She knew it was just going out or I mean dating and that was as far as I was going to go....sex or no sex.
I summed it up as, she knows there are other women she has to compete with and she's going to lose.

So yes ...a guy gets honest or serious with a Ukrainian will get eaten alive.
The upper hand must be held. This is not hard to do because there are almost zero good men for the women to go to (must submit). I may be wrong on that but I am not wrong that you can replace any chick you lose shortly.
Best advice don't go to the Ukraine for a relationship and who knows if your smart you might just get one.

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In three weeks I will be moving to Lviv. Are there any other forum members living there at the moment?
If anyone will be in the city from June onwards, pm me.
05-18-2018 01:37 PM
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(05-14-2018 01:18 PM)Incubus Wrote:  The western guys have got to understand the level of mistrust...to plane loads of liars that fly in everyday (major cities). The chicks want that western dream we sell so badly....they realize they ain't getting any yiounger ( they dress to the 9's for a reason they know there youth value)

@Incubus you make it sound like an invasion. Is it really that bad?

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@Rico...plane loads..I was just using a figure of speech . I posted a tourist by country into the Ukraine a few pages back in this thread.. I would say Western tourists is a trickle during the week (dull days) and picks up for the weekends ( Euro flights)
I haven't stayed around the center of Kiev for this trip but I can say I haven't seen too many tourists.
My main point was that after almost 20 years of players coming into Kiev that the locals know the drill.
There is curiosity and interest in the guys from the west (still) but it comes with mistrust. There is also a lot of chicks preying on the guys (and the cabs)
The question is how to translate interest ( eye contact and giggles) into attraction
I can only write in general terms because all us guys are different. All our woman goals are different.
For myself I want a deep meaningful relationship. Which coincidentally lines up nicely with how slow it is getting a Ukrainian from interest (Western wow) to attraction to dating
There is 4 or 5 school types of women here, and only 2 or 3 types interest me
1) young and stupid
2) mid 20's and smarter
3) 30's practical and focused

I have bumped into quiet a few chicks that are "going it alone" here or planning/working on getting out to another country (in most cases alone). I assume because the local guy quality is low and tourist can't be trusted.
Once a guy gets away from the 4 inch heels at City center into the "burbs" this is were deeper game happens with girls that wear flats and resigned to living poor thier entire lives. But proud of who they are and family/local community oriented....meaning careful on how they are viewed. This means long term stays for guys in most cases to get into the neighborhood.
Lastly our edge here is a lot of women want a better life for themselves. The opportunities will be all around for a guy. It takes one fuck of a lot of focus to not run around in circles here.(if you're interested in quality)

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