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RE: How porn screws up your brain
(10-09-2019 06:42 AM)Teedub Wrote:  extreme 'facefucking' scenes where the girl is quite literally overwhelmed and in genuine tears. That stuff is legitimately misogynistic and incredibly coercive

That sounds like something a male feminist might say. All pornography is consensual, they do it because they LIKE it. They get paid, they get to indulge in their submissive degrading fantasies, and they get the attention of being a "star" in the internet. I don't really care about tears, genuine or not, of a woman who willingly went to do these things, an adult person should be responsible enough to know the consequences. I know men are programmed to respond sympathetically to women in discomfort, but we should know better than this knee-jerk reaction.
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RE: How porn screws up your brain
It’s not entirely knee jerk.

And it’s not about “feeling sorry” for people’s. It’s because exposing the population to this type of material is devastating to the health of the psyche and doubly so for those directly involved
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RE: How porn screws up your brain
(10-09-2019 06:42 AM)Teedub Wrote:  not these extreme 'facefucking' scenes where the girl is quite literally overwhelmed and in genuine tears. That stuff is legitimately misogynistic and incredibly coercive, the fact it's so popular proves the point of this thread to be correct. I do believe, however, that guys have an ability to compartmentalise and while they might like watching 'blah blah DESTROYED in blah blah" they don't actually view real girls in that manner.

Agree with your point about diminishing returns to create the same dopamine hit, but a girl crying means absolutely nothing to me. A girl I'm seeing cried, big tears rolling down her face, because she had to wash the dishes.

Once more, this is about women demanding to be treated equally (sexual freedom and ability to make own decisions) but then wanting to be saved when they change their minds after the fact.
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(10-09-2019 10:48 AM)dAversa Wrote:  
(10-09-2019 06:42 AM)Teedub Wrote:  extreme 'facefucking' scenes where the girl is quite literally overwhelmed and in genuine tears. That stuff is legitimately misogynistic and incredibly coercive

That sounds like something a male feminist might say. All pornography is consensual, they do it because they LIKE it. They get paid, they get to indulge in their submissive degrading fantasies, and they get the attention of being a "star" in the internet. I don't really care about tears, genuine or not, of a woman who willingly went to do these things, an adult person should be responsible enough to know the consequences. I know men are programmed to respond sympathetically to women in discomfort, but we should know better than this knee-jerk reaction.

Going to have to agree to disagree on this one, a lot of the contracts they sign are incredibly sketchy and unless they finish the scene they don't get paid - even if the acts involved aren't what they signed up for. Of course they should research these companies and do their due diligence, but a lot of them are fuck ups from shit backgrounds. I'm talking specifically about Duke Skywalker/FacialAbuse. There's enough evidence out there, but guys prefer to tell themselves the girls like it. Maybe a few do, but even established pros have said FA is an exercise in endurance and in no way 'fun'. But, whatever.

As an aside, a guy who's been here 11 days calling me a male feminist...

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(10-11-2019 07:34 AM)Teedub Wrote:  As an aside, a guy who's been here 11 days calling me a male feminist...

You've been here for years yet you still struggle with reading comprehension. I think it says more about you than it does about me.

(10-11-2019 07:34 AM)Teedub Wrote:  There's enough evidence out there, but guys prefer to tell themselves the girls like it. Maybe a few do, but even established pros have said FA is an exercise in endurance and in no way 'fun'. But, whatever.

Then why won't you post this evidence instead of insulting everyone's intelligence and presenting a cry-me-a-river story about poor, oppressed sex workers from poor backgrounds who are so poor, innocent and gullible they think "facial" means putting on make-up. And somehow "an exercise in endurance" in bed is supposed to not to be fun, or a challenge, to women like these? Even without video camera pointed at them they seem pretty keen on testing their endurance with multiple partners.
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RE: How porn screws up your brain
One thread you might look at is: https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-72318.html – and that's totally tame.

There's dozens of threads on reddit etc that back up my points re: facialabuse. The larger question is... why do you care so much? Days of Broken Arrows has broken down this silly gonzo porn in great detail previously - it isn't normal. It was popularised in the early 2000s and has fucked up young men's attitude towards real sex. The fact that eFukt uses FA videos more than any other should be evidence enough of foul play. Or at the minimum it being very odd, and indeed sketchy when it comes to the girls agreeing to it. I'm not going to search for threads when it would take you quite literally a few minutes.

"Insulting everyone's intelligence"... do you have any idea how much time I've spent explaining the Tommy Robinson situation to people on here? I'm not prepared to do it on every topic, sorry.

Guys who come on this forum and attack highly established members straight away usually get banned within a month, 90% of the time. I suspect you'll be no different. I'm pretty positive you're a former banned guy who's come back in any case. Hence me not giving a damn about your requests for things. If you wish to take this further, PM me so as not to derail the thread.

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RE: How porn screws up your brain
If you're so inclined, next time you load up your porn site take a look at the selection you have been given. It will no doubt be loaded with Black man-white woman, white man-Asian woman, incest and stepdad type stuff, cuckoldry and male shaming, Lesbianism and homo, extreme kink.

Do the majority of people exposed to this actually want this style of porn. My guess is no but that's the deviancy they are going to be trained to like or be headfucked with.




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RE: How porn screws up your brain
(10-11-2019 05:33 PM)Teedub Wrote:  There's dozens of threads on reddit etc that back up my points re: facialabuse. The larger question is... why do you care so much?

Could ask the same - why do you? I forgot to mention previously that it's not unreasonable to think that every pornographer out there is a sleazy bastard, one more than the other. I'm not defending this industry, I'm not acting as a devil's advocate, and I agree that porn has a damaging effect on people. Watching and participating in making it. I wouldn't shed a tear if the entire thing was taken down or went out of business. Although, those participating - willingly and consensually - were already damaged goods before appearing on tape. What I refuse to believe is real life stories about adult princesses being locked up in a tower by evil sorcerers that promised them candy. Reddit has tons of stories, and most of them aren't more trustworthy than 4chan ones.

(10-11-2019 05:33 PM)Teedub Wrote:  Guys who come on this forum and attack highly established members straight away usually get banned within a month, 90% of the time. I suspect you'll be no different. I'm pretty positive you're a former banned guy who's come back in any case. Hence me not giving a damn about your requests for things. If you wish to take this further, PM me so as not to derail the thread.

If you really perceive what I wrote as a personal attack, then you must have a very thin skin. I implore you to read the part that offended you again and what you wrote in the post I was responding too.
Moreover, I didn't have any account on here previously. And lately plenty of those you call "highly established members" got banned, I wouldn't be too quick to declare me a hopeless case just because of a minor disagreement.

And I didn't mean any offense, if I didn't make it clear enough already.
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RE: How porn screws up your brain
The main issue is the "on demand" porn.
I can type everything in the research bar and find anything I want.
This makes you believe that everything is possible , in contrast to real life where options are limited.
10-13-2019 07:45 AM
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RE: How porn screws up your brain
One aspect that I've not heard mentioned is that men are consuming an almighty variety of women per session.

Video sites have added a bar to the timeline of videos showing how much sections of the video are viewed.

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From those you will see that most videos are barely viewed. Guys are opening up videos, flicking through looking for the parts that stimulate them the most, watching a minute or two and then moving on to another.

Looking at data from similarweb.com the average wanker looks at between 5 and 10 videos in about a 15 minute 'dignified session'. In terms of image sites they are looking at about 20 galleries on average in 15 minutes.

These are only average figures. So there are a good number of guys watching 20, 30, 40... videos per session.

I think this is the reason for the increasing prevalence of porn-induced ED. When it was mags you'd have to go through the shame of buying one and keep hold of it, re-using it, then you got videos and then video on demand and finally the tube sites since about 2008. They've now had ten years to fine tune the sites so people can quickly navigate to perversions. Men have been doping themselves up with specific perversions to the extent they mean little.

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Just doing some further research. I have heard a lot of comments on here and IRL that there has been an considerable increase in incest(y) videos.

On what I believe is the most frequented site, 20 of the top 32 videos are specifically titled as incest(y), typically step-something, but not always. Multiple are from two sites: Bratty Sis and Sis Loves Me. A lot of the others are quite similar, i.e. babysitter.

Another analysis is that of standalone videos, the above mentioned timeline utility that shows how popular the video is by timestamp, is that they are skipped through quite wildly. Probably only 5% watch half a video or more. On compilation videos, which sandwich together multiple, typically themed, clips viewers have a much-higher attention span. However, you can still see that people are bored and skip forward in the hopes of more titillation.

4Chan need to get porn sites in the crosshairs.

Strictly educational!
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(10-12-2019 02:17 PM)dAversa Wrote:  snip

It's cool mate, we should all try and not take this internet forum business so seriously. Have a good week brother, and I agree with much of what you wrote in that last post.

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(10-09-2019 10:48 AM)dAversa Wrote:  
(10-09-2019 06:42 AM)Teedub Wrote:  extreme 'facefucking' scenes where the girl is quite literally overwhelmed and in genuine tears. That stuff is legitimately misogynistic and incredibly coercive

That sounds like something a male feminist might say. All pornography is consensual, they do it because they LIKE it. They get paid, they get to indulge in their submissive degrading fantasies, and they get the attention of being a "star" in the internet. I don't really care about tears, genuine or not, of a woman who willingly went to do these things, an adult person should be responsible enough to know the consequences. I know men are programmed to respond sympathetically to women in discomfort, but we should know better than this knee-jerk reaction.

Male feminism is an offshoot of libertarianism. The idea that women should be allowed to do whatever they want as long as it's "consensual" flies in the face of thousands of years of successful male patriarchy.

A woman belongs to her father first and then her husband. Failing that, her tribe. Failing that, her church. Failing that, she's a whore to be treated as whores traditionally were, but make no mistake, women only get to that stage because every man in their life was a gutless fuckup.

Let's not also mistake that men are not equally bound to control their women rather than shrug their shoulders while said women whore themselves either to pornographers or other corporations. Granted I'm fully aware that our societies are long past the point of no return on this issue but sane men can at least get their heads straight on what's proper.

There is nothing whatsoever laudable about leaving dumb, gullible women to their own devices and then shrugging your shoulders when they fuck their lives up flatter than hammered shit. That twinge the Jewish pornographers induce in you (assuming you're white) when they promote the latest video of a tiny white girl being fucked by 5 black guys is the expression of your failure as a tribe to prevent being invaded and raped as a civilization.

God demands of Man responsibility. God demands of Woman vulnerability. These are their curse and blessing alike. Libertianism is to Man as Feminism is to Woman.
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(10-13-2019 10:07 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  Let's not also mistake that men are not equally bound to control their women rather than shrug their shoulders while said women whore themselves either to pornographers or other corporations. Granted I'm fully aware that our societies are long past the point of no return on this issue but sane men can at least get their heads straight on what's proper.

None of the women who can be observed doing pornography are "mine". These aren't "my women" just because they share my ethnicity or my nationality. Some bald-headed, tracksuit-wearing men might be so possessive and desire to "protect" them from men of other ethnicities and nationalities (and I doubt the motives and definitions of protection are as pure as we'd like), but I don't belong to them and I don't share these sentiments. Make no mistake, I'm not a civic nationalist and I'm against racemixing - in an ideal society, xenophobia would be considered a healthy, natural attitude (of course when it remains a healthy attitude, no pitchforks and torches involved). I can't do much against those on the opposite side, expect holding disdain against them and trying to argument against it whenever possible. Is it enough? Surely not, but there's not much more to do about it.

The failures of the fathers and other men related to the women participating in pornography (or any sort of fornication, including interracial) aren't my failures. My observation that their participation is consensual is not a declaration of support for their decisions, only an observation. That said, I wouldn't let any woman related to me make such decision, same as you wouldn't let your wife and your daughters (if you have them; can't recall if you mentioned) do it. What can you do about women who aren't within your social circle? Read and upvote cry-me-a-river posts on reddit?

(10-13-2019 10:07 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  That twinge the Jewish pornographers induce in you (assuming you're white) when they promote the latest video of a tiny white girl being fucked by 5 black guys is the expression of your failure as a tribe to prevent being invaded and raped as a civilization.

How would you define "a tribe" in a modern context? I struggle to bring up a coherent, stable definition that wouldn't vary from person to person trying to think up one. And why would said woman belong to it? Just because the color of her skin? Race isn't skin-deep. An Albino black person isn't genetically European, for example. That said, just because someone's skin tone differs a little (like Mediterraneans differ from Central Europeans in this aspect) doesn't mean that these people are far apart in genetic makeup, which can be concluded by reading about haplogroups. Contrary, despite what some insist (like Taleb), Europeans are genetically very much alike despite they didn't historically consider themselves "White" (because they all were fair-skinned, goddamnit). But are these similarities enough to make them all one "tribe"? Not really. Perhaps it will change in the future.
I'm all for restoring our heritage and identity. But, to rebuild this identity, we have to start from the ground up. And race is high above ground.
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Eat bugs and masturbate.
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(10-09-2019 06:42 AM)Teedub Wrote:  My problem with porn is the escalation it causes. The stuff I was watching as a 14 year old compared to what's out there for young teenage lads is worlds apart.

Ah yes, the good old days of sitting on AOL dialup keeping an ear out for my parents approaching while waiting 5 minutes for a JPG of Jennifer Aniston topless (which I didn't realize at the time was photoshopped) to load and then saving the picture on a 3.5" floppy disk I kept in a secure hiding spot under the keyboard!

I got my Magnum condoms, I got my wad of hundreds, I'm ready to plow!
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(10-13-2019 12:45 PM)dAversa Wrote:  
(10-13-2019 10:07 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  Let's not also mistake that men are not equally bound to control their women rather than shrug their shoulders while said women whore themselves either to pornographers or other corporations. Granted I'm fully aware that our societies are long past the point of no return on this issue but sane men can at least get their heads straight on what's proper.

None of the women who can be observed doing pornography are "mine". These aren't "my women" just because they share my ethnicity or my nationality. Some bald-headed, tracksuit-wearing men might be so possessive and desire to "protect" them from men of other ethnicities and nationalities (and I doubt the motives and definitions of protection are as pure as we'd like), but I don't belong to them and I don't share these sentiments. Make no mistake, I'm not a civic nationalist and I'm against racemixing - in an ideal society, xenophobia would be considered a healthy, natural attitude (of course when it remains a healthy attitude, no pitchforks and torches involved). I can't do much against those on the opposite side, expect holding disdain against them and trying to argument against it whenever possible. Is it enough? Surely not, but there's not much more to do about it.

The failures of the fathers and other men related to the women participating in pornography (or any sort of fornication, including interracial) aren't my failures. My observation that their participation is consensual is not a declaration of support for their decisions, only an observation. That said, I wouldn't let any woman related to me make such decision, same as you wouldn't let your wife and your daughters (if you have them; can't recall if you mentioned) do it. What can you do about women who aren't within your social circle? Read and upvote cry-me-a-river posts on reddit?

(10-13-2019 10:07 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  That twinge the Jewish pornographers induce in you (assuming you're white) when they promote the latest video of a tiny white girl being fucked by 5 black guys is the expression of your failure as a tribe to prevent being invaded and raped as a civilization.

How would you define "a tribe" in a modern context? I struggle to bring up a coherent, stable definition that wouldn't vary from person to person trying to think up one. And why would said woman belong to it? Just because the color of her skin? Race isn't skin-deep. An Albino black person isn't genetically European, for example. That said, just because someone's skin tone differs a little (like Mediterraneans differ from Central Europeans in this aspect) doesn't mean that these people are far apart in genetic makeup, which can be concluded by reading about haplogroups. Contrary, despite what some insist (like Taleb), Europeans are genetically very much alike despite they didn't historically consider themselves "White" (because they all were fair-skinned, goddamnit). But are these similarities enough to make them all one "tribe"? Not really. Perhaps it will change in the future.
I'm all for restoring our heritage and identity. But, to rebuild this identity, we have to start from the ground up. And race is high above ground.

Clearly our degenerate societies have to fall flat before something sane can replace them but female liberation is not a wise part of the that restructuring and anyone who defends pornography as "not inherently wrong because it's all consensual" is peddling evil. Not a different opinion. Just evil. It's the precise same argument that will be used to justify legalizing pedophilia in the near future.

Libertarianism was half-way sensible hundreds of years ago when deviating from moral codes carried serious costs and what could be loosely dubbed "the market of consequences" was swift and brutal.

Nowadays the costs of childish libertarianism are stalled long enough that deviants can appear to be winning bigly and pull more people down their deviant paths before the debts are finally called in, creating a vicious domino effect.

Getting our heads straight on what is right/wrong, acceptable/unacceptable and wise/unwise is a system of first ordering our own lives and the lives of those around us, and perhaps later ordering the societies that follow the collapse of Honk world.

No, you can't do much about the rights we foolishly granted women. But neither should we peddle the lie that the evil fruits of their freedoms are somehow benign because nobody was physically forced into participating in these degrading acts. Lest we forget that a few short decades ago people would be horse-whipped or exiled for less, and rightly so.

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(10-14-2019 08:54 AM)loremipsum Wrote:  Eat bugs and masturbate.
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NoFap started as a joke until people suddenly started noticing benefits.

But it's indeed anti-semitic, looking at who owns and controls the porn industry. Wink
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Well...technically the place primitive societies start is with the clan. Tribal identities come after that, and then eventually you get to the more abstract "race" or (more rarely than we realize due to the limited record of history) nation state.

I'm not sure how that pans out here because we've completely destroyed any concept of "tribe". Most likely new tribes would form around city-states or criminal gangs (e.g. inner city/biker groups with distinct identities and very often familial legacies) that would be heavily balkanized for decades or even centuries to come.
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(10-14-2019 01:52 PM)wwtl Wrote:  who owns and controls the porn industry. Wink

This is why it's important to practice what I call Virtuous Fapping (VirFap®), where instead of using porn as your fapfuel, you just look at the hot girls around you and later imagine scenarios where you wife them up and enjoy moments of wedded intimacy together.

NoFap was a reasonable stopgap measure for those who were ready to move on from porn but weren't sure what their new destination was going to be, but for those who realize that it's going to be a long wait before western civilization becomes regenerate enough that the majority of us can find a decent wife, realistically we have to acknowledge that a typical high-testosterone man is going to have a hard time making it that far without some sort of release.

Yeah, you can study the Scriptures and ask God to take away your desires, or you can daily practice fantasizing about fulfilling the commandment to go forth and multiply, which in my view is just another form of meditating on God's will. As the dictum goes, mens sana in corpore sano (a sound mind in a sound body); in the long run, it's hard to keep a mind focused on God when it resides in a body tormented by blue balls. God has called us to peace, not frustration.
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(10-14-2019 02:33 PM)setian Wrote:  NoFap was a reasonable stopgap measure for those who were ready to move on from porn but weren't sure what their new destination was going to be, but for those who realize that it's going to be a long wait before western civilization becomes regenerate enough that the majority of us can find a decent wife, realistically we have to acknowledge that a typical high-testosterone man is going to have a hard time making it that far without some sort of release.

I wasn't a high testosterone man until I got rid of (((porn))) and killed anxiety and depression at the same time.

Quote:Yeah, you can study the Scriptures and ask God to take away your desires, or you can daily practice fantasizing about fulfilling the commandment to go forth and multiply, which in my view is just another form of meditating on God's will. As the dictum goes, mens sana in corpore sano (a sound mind in a sound body); in the long run, it's hard to keep a mind focused on God when it resides in a body tormented by blue balls. God has called us to peace, not frustration.

God has called me to stop porn and then unfolded His plan regarding that commandment with a pretty tight schedule. So I'm not too worried about my balls right now, but I might once I endure pre-martial chastity in practice. Wink
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