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What is the substantive difference between the Bush administration and the Obama administration, other than the fact that Obama is more candid about wealth redistribution and less candid about spying on us and murdering citizens without trial?
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(07-02-2014 09:34 PM)Hotwheels Wrote:  Nixon did a lot of good things.

Nixon will be rehabbed in history as a flawed but brilliant president.

The opening with China was a huge event that has paid off since then.

my ranking:

1. Eisenhower
2. Clinton
3. Reagan
4. Truman
5. GHW Bush (Bush I)
6. Kennedy
7. Carter
8. Nixon
9. Ford
10. Obama
11. Johnson
12. Bush II

I ranked them on conservation and growth of national power and prosperity, and leadership. Could easily switch places of a few of them.

But Bush II is wayyy at the bottom due to the utterly botched response to (and prevention of) 9/11, and particularly the war on Iraq, which he let the neocons get the country into based on lies. As General Odom said, "The greatest strategic disaster in U.S. history."

The other thing Bush did was try to legalize unconstitutional practices like NSA spying, arbitrary detention, and torture. It's one thing to torture a few in secret and deny, another thing altogether to try to make it a legal and regular practice.

Johnson runner-up due to Vietnam escalation.

Obama has screwed a lot of things up and followed in Bush's footsteps, but nothing yet on the scale of those two debacles. He's more like Ford: hands off and ineffectual in the face of crises.
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(07-02-2014 11:40 PM)scorpion Wrote:  Obama is like some shitty affirmative action hire who fucks everything up but can't be fired for fear of a lawsuit.

If he was a white Republican he not only would have been impeached by now, it's very likely he'd be sitting in a prison cell.

^^^ Notice Scorpion subtly steering this into a race thread. That affirmative action is wrong on so many levels. As if affirmative action has ANY parallel to his winning the presidency. It amazes me that some are so deluded as to think that a black man actually has an easier time becoming president than a white. Secondly, who the hell do you know that has been hired by affirmative action for anything? I don't even know any such person, and I'm black. And even if they were, who are you to assume that they are fuckups? Do you have statistical evidence of such or are you just regurgitating right-wing bullshit? But I digress...


Quote:I mean, you know you're truly godawful when you actually manage to make people nostalgic for the days of George W. Bush.

What people? Tea-bagger wingnuts that think there are death panels in the government and that taxes are too high on billionaires?

Quote:I fully agree that the Democrats are cognizant of the fact that they are sitting on a political goldmine for the next 20+ years due to the success of their identity politics tactic and shifting demographics. A female President, a Hispanic President, then a homosexual President (or maybe the homo will beat out the Hispanic with the way things are going). Maybe they'll even throw in a tranny at some point just to really rub it in our faces. They'll all be able to get away with things that white Republicans couldn't, which simply means they'll be able to screw us over even harder and with no accountability.

After all, you can't impeach the first ______ President, because that would be ___ist.

Mark my words, you will not see another non-white as president for quite some time. Not because Obama has tarnished the image of non-whites, but because there are few if any viable candidates in the pipeline. I know this changing demographics thing is a rally cry for WNs and pro-white crybabies but even I as a black man have to admit that Obama was something of an enigma. At most you might get some white Hispanic like Rubio who is really every bit as white as Mitt Romney yet satisfies the Hispanic community because his last name ends in a vowel.
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My only question is how many Americans can actually name all the post-WWII presidents.
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(07-03-2014 01:13 AM)Bacchus Wrote:  My only question is how many Americans can actually name all the post-WWII presidents.

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Not trying to make this a race thread at all, but you're absolutely delusional if you don't recognize that Obama gets a pass on a lot of shit that a white Republican wouldn't. Half of this is because he's black, the other half is because he's a Democrat in an increasingly left-wing country.

The media was absolutely hysterical in its anti-Bush sentiment, especially following the 2004 re-election and once Iraq started to unravel. Bush would have been impeached (or at the VERY least, seriously threatened with impeachment) if he had done the Libya adventurism, extrajudicial execution of American citizens, Fast and Furious, Benghazi or the NSA spying, much less all of those. I mean, the left was up Bush's ass for Iraq, Gitmo and the Patriot Act, all of which stemmed from bipartisan agreement following 9/11. Obama is basically operating as a dictator at this point. He has zero regard for the law, and Congress and the media have no desire to hold him accountable.

And I used the AA analogy not to say he was elected because he was black, but because he's in there and you can't get rid of him for fear of appearing racist. That is a very real sentiment whether you recognize it or not. The "first black President" meme is very powerful for silencing criticism in this day and age.

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(07-03-2014 01:25 AM)speakeasy Wrote:  
(07-03-2014 01:13 AM)Bacchus Wrote:  My only question is how many Americans can actually name all the post-WWII presidents.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl...J7wpy#t=43

I'm not an American but let me try (from memory):

Harry Truman
Dwight D. Eisenhower
John F. Kennedy
Lyndon Johnson
Richard Nixon
Gerald Ford
Ronald Reagan
George H.W. Bush
Bill Clinton
George Bush
Barack Obama

I feel like I missed one, but I'm not sure. Plenty of these had double terms, with enough time overall to fill these 70 years.

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^ Carter snuck in for four years after Ford.

Damn impressive for a non-American though.

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(07-03-2014 01:33 AM)scorpion Wrote:  Not trying to make this a race thread at all, but you're absolutely delusional if you don't recognize that Obama gets a pass on a lot of shit that a white Republican wouldn't. Half of this is because he's black, the other half is because he's a Democrat in an increasingly left-wing country.

The media was absolutely hysterical in its anti-Bush sentiment, especially following the 2004 re-election and once Iraq started to unravel. Bush would have been impeached (or at the VERY least, seriously threatened with impeachment) if he had done the Libya adventurism, extrajudicial execution of American citizens, Fast and Furious, Benghazi or the NSA spying, much less all of those. I mean, the left was up Bush's ass for Iraq, Gitmo and the Patriot Act, all of which stemmed from bipartisan agreement following 9/11. Obama is basically operating as a dictator at this point. He has zero regard for the law, and Congress and the media have no desire to hold him accountable.

And I used the AA analogy not to say he was elected because he was black, but because he's in there and you can't get rid of him for fear of appearing racist. That is a very real sentiment whether you recognize it or not. The "first black President" meme is very powerful for silencing criticism in this day and age.

This is utterly partisan and seen through race-colored glasses. Note that I rank Obama very low (10 out of 12 presidents) in my post above, but the facts are the facts. In no way is Obama getting a pass more than Bush.

1. Bush started the unconstitutional NSA spying, it was reported on at the time by James Risen at the NYT and others, but gov't lied and denied. Since no Snowden then, no proof then, but Snowden showed these programs go back to the Bush years. Also see Thomas Drake, William Binney, etc.

2. While Bush did get a resolution of Congress to go into Iraq, it was largely on the basis of bullshit his administration put out that turned out to be false or hugely exaggerated - "we can't wait for the smoking gun to become a mushroom cloud." Once he did go in, he failed to have a plan. The book to read is Fiasco by Tom Ricks, the title says it. More than 4400 US dead in that war, plus trillion dollar plus cost, plus strategic debacle. KIA in Libya, if you count Benghazi - 4.

3. Bush failed to commit troops to get Bin Laden at Tora Bora then had the military dawdle without a plan in Afghanistan for years because of the resource costs of Iraq. Also abused troops by refusing to expand size of the army and USMC for years during these wars.

4. Bush detained US citizens on US soil for months without lawyers and due process and fought to legally justify it. In my legal opinion, that's worse than killing a US citizen who is with forces fighting against the US overseas. You can't say to military forces: "Bomb those Al Qaeda guys, but make sure the bomb doesn't kill that one, he's a US citizen." On the other hand, the government locking you up on US soil and holding you in an isolation cell for months (Padilla) is the basis of true tyranny at home.

I could go on, but gotta go right now.
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I am not a Republican or a fan of Bush. I was against the war in Iraq before it started. IMO we needed to finish up Afghanistan and get Bin Laden before going to war ANY WHERE else. Bush going into Iraq might have been the greatest thing to happen to the Democrats, becasue the liberal media never reminds everyone that Democrats voted along with Republicans to go to war there.

But Obama has been beyond a disaster. I can't name one thing he has done right. And I follow it all pretty closely.

#1) Economics - complete disaster. Has fixed none of the problems left behind by Bush and has doubled the national debt to pay off his political donors and give money to other countries. The economy is now on the verge of true collapse. Not like we saw in 2007, but more like what we saw in the 1930's. The difference today is people are far more dependent and if the economy tanks it will be UGLY. Ugly the likes none of us have seen.

#2) Domestically he has been a disaster. Where the Trillion, Trillion with a T, stimulus that was supposed to create jobs and build our infrastructure and instead went to teacher's unions. Or bailing out the GM Unions. Or the wide open border flooding our country with unskilled labor and diseases, which is destroying the poor people he pretends to care about. The man is a disaster here too.

#3) Internationally. He is a joke on the world stage. Most the world thinks he is a weak pussy and they can just do what ever they please. They saw Dubya as a dumb cowboy, but if they went too far they might get put down. With Obama it is a free for all.

Bush sucked, Obama has found a way to be worse.

VA - You want social healthcare, look at the VA.
IRS - uhhh uhhh our hard drive crashed, but if you don't pay your taxes you go to prison.
NSA - Snowden let us know that the govt. is spying on us, and he wants more of it.
INDA - Obama made it a law that he can imprison any US citizen, at any time, for no charges at all and hold you for as long as he wants. Don't believe me, google it. Indefinite Detention Act.

It just goes on and on.

If you are a young guy, my advice is to go into either IT or Healthcare. Outside of these two fields you will have a tough go of it. With our country being flooded by illegal immigrants, low skill labor will be of no value at all and tons of competition. You need to get into a field that requires skill and has less competition. Yea, these two fields for the most part suck, but at least you can pay the bills. I've been in IT for over a decade, it sucks, but it beats the alternative. Welcome to Obama's America.

I would like to see a poll of Americans between 22 and 65 who make between $30,000 and $300,000 a year who are not govt. workers. AKA the productive middle class. I have a feeling if these people were polled...

Obama's approval rating would be below 30%.
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Damn guys let's not turn this into a race thread.

I don't care if Obama is black, or if he was white, yellow, brown, green, or red, I merely think his politics are astoundly full of falsehoods and bullshit. (FYI: I'm the least racist cat as Speakeasy and Azulsombra can attest to)

The irony is, as a politician, he's quite brilliant.

Any guy who can thoroughly double talk his way around every issue is a smart dude, but the damage of his presidency will not be seen immediately.

How many of you on here had your insurance premiums go up from Obamacare?

How many private practices do you know who are being forced out of business? I'm friends with multiple doctors and a couple nurses, and some of them are legitimately getting fucked by the program.

I'm not posting this to change anyone's mind, because I doubt it will, but it is food for thought come next election when Hillary makes false promises and everyone rally's around her "Because dammit we NEED a woman president!! it's time we had a woman!!!" (Which is inherently sexist in itself).

Put on a blindfold and vote for a leader who can help America, don't vote based on color, creed, or sex.

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Also, don't forget. Obama is the first female president in that...

Obama in 2012 was the first American president who lost the male vote and still won election. Women elected Obama, Men elected Romney.
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(07-02-2014 11:40 PM)scorpion Wrote:  Obama is like some shitty affirmative action hire who fucks everything up but can't be fired for fear of a lawsuit.

If he was a white Republican he not only would have been impeached by now, it's very likely he'd be sitting in a prison cell.

Why exactly should Obama be impeached?

Stop whining about race. The Republicans ran a shitty campaign. Palin as your fucking VP and you are blaming Affirmative Action?
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Ranking them on how bad they were(have been) for the country, I normally put Carter at the top and Obama behind but Obama is very catching up to Carter in overall shittiness. Bush II probably comes in behind those two.

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(07-03-2014 03:47 AM)Clyde Wrote:  
(07-02-2014 11:40 PM)scorpion Wrote:  Obama is like some shitty affirmative action hire who fucks everything up but can't be fired for fear of a lawsuit.

If he was a white Republican he not only would have been impeached by now, it's very likely he'd be sitting in a prison cell.

Why exactly should Obama be impeached?

Stop whining about race. The Republicans ran a shitty campaign. Palin as your fucking VP and you are blaming Affirmative Action?

Impeached over the IRS? Possibly. If not, the below list should make any middle class or lower class American upset.

IRS and backing Holder while he refuses to do anything about it.

The Border situation and him handling it and how much that will destroy the lower class and middle class.

NSA and the destruction of the 4th amendment.

VA hospital and no over sight. VA workers getting huge bonuses while our veterans are put on wait to die lists and lied to. Boy, I can't wait for Obamacare to fully be implemented, with higher taxes and to be treated in the same fashion.

His embarrassing language directed at people his disagrees with. Whether it be the police who correctly arrested his friend and he stuck his foot in his mouth. Or him calling Republicans "terrorists". Or him saying "so sue me". Or him telling small business owners "you didn't build that".

Economic policies that make the rich even richer, the poor even poorer and have targeted the middle class for destruction.

He has been a complete disaster in every way imaginable. To the point that IMO, this country will never recover from.

As for Palin, she might be dumb, but she is FAR smarter than Joe Biden. That guy is a walking, talking, joke. Anything that comes out of his mouth is laughable and often wrong. The best was when he said that he told his wife to fire a shotgun in the air if she was scared and it turns that that is illegal where he lives. LOL
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Since Bill Clinton you've just gone to worst election after election. Beyond the debt and internal issues there is a fact that many of you may have not noticed if living in the States and it is the lost of credibility and respect here in Europe and in the rest of the world due to your deplorable and erratic foreign policy. Take for instance remember the late scandals: "fuck the EU, supporting enemies of key allies in conflictive regions, creating insurgent movements to knock off government that that later against American ingerests, and so it goes. Even most loyal countries like Germany, Turkey or Poland don't trust you no more:

Quote:“Complete bullshit. We'll get in conflict with the Germans, Russians, and we'll think that everything is super because we gave the Americans a blow job,” “Losers. Complete losers.”

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In the past it was common to find anti-american feelings in communists, anarchists and fascists but the average citizens would see americans as the good guys and white knights of democracy and freedom. Now you can hear anti-american comments from all kind of people of all ages and social background.

(07-03-2014 01:02 AM)speakeasy Wrote:  Obama was something of an enigma.

He was not an enigma he was a LIE, all and everything around him is. To start with he is not even black. Do you think the establishment would have allowed a true black to even come close to a position from which he could become president?

It all starts with a young liberal woman raised in an all-white environment. She mets an alpha African man in her Russian language course who makes her smile, he is so different... they get married and she gaves birth to Obama when she is only 19. Later on she finds his black stallion is much more than she can handle, he has a wife and two kids back home. They get divorced. Less than a year after the divorce she finds out an Asian beta provider for her and her baby, he doesn't make her smile like the Kenyan man, but hey, he pays the bills and let's be honest, she is not the most beautiful flower of the garden, and racist world of the 60ies were not ready for a divorced white mom with a mulatto so it was the best she could do.

So here we have biracial Barry Soetoro, raised by his white mother and her asian beta provider thousand kilometres away from any African or African-American cultural reference and bein a place where he was the closest to a black person in miles around. Obama's mother finds out she doesn't love his husband no more by the time he is old enough to leave home and go to the uni.

So Obama joins to a fancy upper class private high school which tuition fees today go as high as 30.000 $ where he hang out with the sons of the rich and the beautiful and discovered how profitable being the token black guy can be.

After high school he moves to the continent where he has his first contacts with true blacks and their culture and he is accepted by them in spite of him not having anything to do with them apart from his white mother having been inseminated by an African man. He became an activist against the aparthaid and for other fair causes while he climbed his way to the top. Oh by the way, in the mean time he married a bossy ugly black women to overcompensate his personal identity crisis, plus she would bred darker siblings helping him stage the perfect black family play.

Is that your black president? Would you consider a guy with a black mother and a white father, raised and taken care by his mother family in a guetto. Would you consider him white or think that he will be a champion of the interests of the white people? Probably not, but hey, the idea of a black president was so charming that you ate his lies up... twice!

Beware Marco Rubio (by the way Rubio is spanish for Blond) he is just another chameleonic social climber. As far as I know he lied about his family being refugees from Castro regime... when they were average economical emigrants who left during Fulgencio Batista's dictature. He is supposed to be catholic but he flirts with evangelicals and mormons... and nobody knows for sure about his religious believes. This ambiguity grants him the support of his latino fellow people and the wasps who can see him as one of them.

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The rest of the world seems to think even less of him than we do;

Images of his 2008 (pre election) and 2013 speeches in Germany

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Of course the extremists than inhabit so many corners of the net continue to make much more noise than their numbers actually represent.

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But seriously...

Obama, or any Democrat for that matter, is going to get a media pass from here on out. If Obama were a Republican, he'd probably already have been impeached by now. The political left has no problem destroying non-white people who are conservatives.

But you also cannot deny that political correctness is a very real thing that has taken over our politics. We saw it explode when the Tea Party gained some power.

Their platform consisted of cutting taxes & spending. The political left's response, "dassss rayccissss!!!! You hate the president because he is black!!"

In 2016, I am sure it will be Hillary and every criticism of her will be deemed to be misogynistic. However, she will get her media shield for the mere fact that she is a progressive leftist, not because she is a woman.
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(07-03-2014 06:19 AM)objectivist tree Wrote:  Obama, or any Democrat for that matter, is going to get a media pass from here on out. If Obama were a Republican, he'd probably already have been impeached by now. The political left has no problem destroying non-white people who are conservatives.

But you also cannot deny that political correctness is a very real thing that has taken over our politics. We saw it explode when the Tea Party gained some power.

Their platform consisted of cutting taxes & spending. The political left's response, "dassss rayccissss!!!! You hate the president because he is black!!"

In 2016, I am sure it will be Hillary and every criticism of her will be deemed to be misogynistic. However, she will get her media shield for the mere fact that she is a progressive leftist, not because she is a woman.

Agreed - if it were only about being a woman, then women like Condoleeza Rice would be able to give commencement speeches at universities without it generating a shitstorm of protests from angry lefties. Because on paper, she should be a liberal's wet dream - a black woman who grew up in the Jim Crow south who went on to become the first female African-American secretary of state. And yet liberals can't stand her - so much so that even the idea of her giving a speech at a college graduation ceremony throws them into conniption fits.
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For all the red pill swallowing and alphaness on this forum, I always find it funny when y'all argue about partisan politics.

Both political parties are essentially controlled by the same people - the global elites. If they want a war they will install a Southern white guy for the next 4-8 years. If they want their cultural Marxist agenda to progress, well maybe we will have a lesbian president next. It's up to them.

Nothing is more blue pill than to think your "vote" matters. Therefore, it really does not matter. No matter who is in office shit sucks. That's how it has always been. That's how it will always be.
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(07-03-2014 07:02 AM)Renzy Wrote:  
(07-03-2014 06:19 AM)objectivist tree Wrote:  Obama, or any Democrat for that matter, is going to get a media pass from here on out. If Obama were a Republican, he'd probably already have been impeached by now. The political left has no problem destroying non-white people who are conservatives.

But you also cannot deny that political correctness is a very real thing that has taken over our politics. We saw it explode when the Tea Party gained some power.

Their platform consisted of cutting taxes & spending. The political left's response, "dassss rayccissss!!!! You hate the president because he is black!!"

In 2016, I am sure it will be Hillary and every criticism of her will be deemed to be misogynistic. However, she will get her media shield for the mere fact that she is a progressive leftist, not because she is a woman.

Agreed - if it were only about being a woman, then women like Condoleeza Rice would be able to give commencement speeches at universities without it generating a shitstorm of protests from angry lefties. Because on paper, she should be a liberal's wet dream - a black woman who grew up in the Jim Crow south who went on to become the first female African-American secretary of state. And yet liberals can't stand her - so much so that even the idea of her giving a speech at a college graduation ceremony throws them into conniption fits.

It's really a shame how the media treats Rice. They also did a number on the former Maryland lieutenant governor Michael Steele, who is black. Granted, Steele said a lot of dumb things, but no more so than Joe Biden, whose gaffes are considered cute.

Around the time Steele was in office, Tyler Perry's movies started getting big. White liberals in the newsroom I worked in were shrieking about both: they didn't "represent" their race properly, at least not the way the pandering rich white folks thought. I tried to argue that Steele and Perry had a right to do whatever they wanted in the same way Jimi Hendrix had a right to play hard rock instead of soul music, but I was ignored.

I didn't mention there were no blacks in that newsroom at all. I needed to keep the job at that time.
(This post was last modified: 07-03-2014 08:15 AM by Days of Broken Arrows.)
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