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I'll be there on January 4-8th. If anyone wants to have a beer. Want to go to the shooting range. I don't know if I will even try the night life. Sounds like shit.
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Went for happy hour at Foreign Correspondents Club. All couples and older crowd. Saw one white boy with a pretty hot Japanese looking girl. I've noticed this a few times here now. I think young international couples from Tokyo must come here for vacations.

Had to flake out on 5 girls tonight because I had a headache. The tuk tuk to silk island was so bumpy. That trip is a complete waste of time. The silk weavers are nothing special and the beach at the north tip of the island is a filthy joke.

Arose at 1am and hit Club Love. Almost all foreign dudes. It's the only club on Golden Street. A few Cambo hookers at bar but lower quality than Pontoon.

Tuktuk to Bassac Lane but everything was shuttered. Tried Vito. Only one group dancing with each other. A few hookers at bar. Driver of course takes me to Pontoon.

As usual good crowd at Pontoon. I dance around and avoid some of the less desirable hookers. I try the Pulse area bc locals said that there are no pros in there. Well there are. But it's usually empty which is why there's no pros lol.

I pull a girl and her friend from there to dance in main club. I get bored and dance around with other girls. She doesn't like that. Other girls get weird when they see her reaction. She even comes up and talks shit to them in Cambodian. Honestly I was hoping to start a fight but it didn't happen.

My thought is well if you're a pro and I'm your John then you shouldnt be upset if I comparison shop a little. But they basically want an outwardly appearing monogamous commitment from you which is laughable. Even when she went to bathroom and I was just chatting with other hookers at the bar they would be like hey fuck off you're with that other girl. I saw you with her dancing and smooching. I'm like, but...you're a whore darling?! This isn't love connection. There's no actual chemistry or whatever. It's business.

I tried the Vibe lounge where the whores might not have seen me as taken. Only one hot girl and she's with a group of geriatric old men. She tolerates me for a little while but when I tell her I'm only here for 3 months she seems to lose interest and decide she better not pass up the table service she has with the group of old men I took her from. I try to pick up a cuteish girl in a group but her beta boyfriends keep her close every time I cut in.

I look back to watch the cute girl grinding and rubbing the chest of the four-eyed, bald, morbidly obese old guy. My face is utter disgust and he looks at me like meh, I have zero shame that I'm paying for it. This is just completely normal to everyone but me. I can tell that I'm the weirdo for expecting anything different.

I go back and find my hooker but she's upset. She acts hurt that I'm moving around club. I dance with another girl and she talks shit to her. I go back to her and grind a little. She pouts. I take her out of club. I don't tell her I won't pay bc I know she's gonna kick up a fuss. I let her get her shit from closet and we take a tuk tuk.

On way home she's not wearing panties and she's shaved. Shes like shhh when i fuck around and points at the tuk tuk driver like dont let anyone see. Well this is exactly what the other girl did the first night. They must teach this at Phnom Penh Whore Academy. My guess is 99% of Cambodian girls 18-24 get at least a few classes there before dropping out to become the world's most useless prostitutes.

I let her know I'm not paying in the tuk tuk and it's fun to watch her get pissy trying to make driver turn around. But it's too late. In front of my hotel she want's $50. I'm tempted to bargain her down and then say something dumb like I forgot my wallet. But I don't want to get her really mad. Not worth it. She shouldn't have torn up my business card on the dance floor when I was dancing with another whore. Now I had my revenge.

I make the zero sign with my hand and then pump my hips. She gets pissed and gets back in tuk tuk. She looks back as be peddles into the night and I make a wack off motion over crotch Smile

My new Cambodian gf has left some stuff in my apt. She offered to spend every night with me here since she works 2-10:30 shift. But I want some free time to fuck around. She offered to do my laundry but there's service here. She also gives me massages after sex but they're crappy. Real ones cost $5 anyway.

What a shitty country.
12-14-2016 05:09 PM
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(12-08-2016 11:06 PM)Putin Closes Wrote:  
(12-08-2016 04:26 PM)ruvanes Wrote:  
(12-08-2016 10:43 AM)Putin Closes Wrote:  Having visited PP once this year, I can say tinder is almost non-existent (probably less than 100 girls total) but I matched with over 50%. Whenever it finally gains popularity it will be a gold mine. The city is in a sad sorry state of affairs, I went to the riverside and was completely unimpressed. Trash everywhere, reminds me of downtown Manila.

Avoid Riverside unless you want to shore hookers, try and fly a place around the Mad Monkey Hostel Phnom Penh (didn't stay here), the neighborhood has lots of western chains, pretty green, and relatively safe. And maybe a 10 minute tuk tuk ride to riverside. AEON mall is nearby also.

Local Talent quite weak except for the Sino-Cambodian mix. Met three girls off tinder, two closes, both I would consider upper tier for Phnom Penh. Was here for a couple days, so pretty solid close rate. The other a real virgin from Thailand working as a doctor. All three were upper middle class, but this place is no pussy paradise.

Think your going to the wrong spots...

If you're going to disagree at least post something useful.

Quote:There is no middle class in Cambodia, nearly all girls in clubs are either pros or semi pros. So nightlife is out of the question unless you're into P4p. Your best bet is to day game but most locals don't know a word of english unless they work with tourists. For me in Cambodia the best targets were backpackers.

As in every capital city in any 3rd world country there is always an extremely small middle class. You won't meet them in the nightlife minus a few select clubs, Epic comes to mind, and that would require extremely tight game.

Tinder was a bit hit for me, since I matched with such a high percentage BUT there's less then a 100 girls on it, so I wouldn't put much stock.

Why come to PP when BKK offers much better returns in terms of QOL & easiness of pussy. Would not come back again.

my bad... your right.

I used Badoo a few times and worked out well. Didn't even ask for money. Since I was in Cambodia for like 2 months in the summer I didn't have the patience for Badoo cause I was turning down girls left and right. I didn't mind paying a few dollars. Some were hit and miss but you figure out what works for you and you start a rotation.
I been going to PP the last 5 summers and taught English there as well at one point. I am seriously considering making a bigger move there. If I end up doing that, I would probably invest more time in Badoo and going to the more upscale spots. It's also possible to hit up the upscale spots then go after to handle your business
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Dude, just to get this straight. You're going into known hooker bars, trying to pull girls out of there and not telling them you're not paying until she's out in front of your place, perhaps too late to circle back and get a customer for herself back at Pontoon - this after pulling up her skirt to finger her in public view in the tuk-tuk while riding down the road. Then, after you drop that you aren't paying, when she's fully rational to expect otherwise, you taunt her as she's riding back to try to go get a customer and make money in perhaps the only way she'll ever have to crawl out of the devastating poverty that has gripped that country for decades. Wow, can i be your friend? You're so cool, man.

I'm not saying wife up some hooker, but how about the least modicum of empathy. Or the tiniest bit of respect. No one forced you to go to Pontoon. It is what is it. But why act this way?

Shitty country? I've been there four times. I mostly like the people - have had very few issues. Of course, I don't go around disrespecting people. So maybe I am having a different experience. Its also possible, that whats shitty about this story isn't the country. Its you.

(12-14-2016 05:09 PM)Travel Museums Wrote:  Went for happy hour at Foreign Correspondents Club. All couples and older crowd. Saw one white boy with a pretty hot Japanese looking girl. I've noticed this a few times here now. I think young international couples from Tokyo must come here for vacations.

Had to flake out on 5 girls tonight because I had a headache. The tuk tuk to silk island was so bumpy. That trip is a complete waste of time. The silk weavers are nothing special and the beach at the north tip of the island is a filthy joke.

Arose at 1am and hit Club Love. Almost all foreign dudes. It's the only club on Golden Street. A few Cambo hookers at bar but lower quality than Pontoon.

Tuktuk to Bassac Lane but everything was shuttered. Tried Vito. Only one group dancing with each other. A few hookers at bar. Driver of course takes me to Pontoon.

As usual good crowd at Pontoon. I dance around and avoid some of the less desirable hookers. I try the Pulse area bc locals said that there are no pros in there. Well there are. But it's usually empty which is why there's no pros lol.

I pull a girl and her friend from there to dance in main club. I get bored and dance around with other girls. She doesn't like that. Other girls get weird when they see her reaction. She even comes up and talks shit to them in Cambodian. Honestly I was hoping to start a fight but it didn't happen.

My thought is well if you're a pro and I'm your John then you shouldnt be upset if I comparison shop a little. But they basically want an outwardly appearing monogamous commitment from you which is laughable. Even when she went to bathroom and I was just chatting with other hookers at the bar they would be like hey fuck off you're with that other girl. I saw you with her dancing and smooching. I'm like, but...you're a whore darling?! This isn't love connection. There's no actual chemistry or whatever. It's business.

I tried the Vibe lounge where the whores might not have seen me as taken. Only one hot girl and she's with a group of geriatric old men. She tolerates me for a little while but when I tell her I'm only here for 3 months she seems to lose interest and decide she better not pass up the table service she has with the group of old men I took her from. I try to pick up a cuteish girl in a group but her beta boyfriends keep her close every time I cut in.

I look back to watch the cute girl grinding and rubbing the chest of the four-eyed, bald, morbidly obese old guy. My face is utter disgust and he looks at me like meh, I have zero shame that I'm paying for it. This is just completely normal to everyone but me. I can tell that I'm the weirdo for expecting anything different.

I go back and find my hooker but she's upset. She acts hurt that I'm moving around club. I dance with another girl and she talks shit to her. I go back to her and grind a little. She pouts. I take her out of club. I don't tell her I won't pay bc I know she's gonna kick up a fuss. I let her get her shit from closet and we take a tuk tuk.

On way home she's not wearing panties and she's shaved. Shes like shhh when i fuck around and points at the tuk tuk driver like dont let anyone see. Well this is exactly what the other girl did the first night. They must teach this at Phnom Penh Whore Academy. My guess is 99% of Cambodian girls 18-24 get at least a few classes there before dropping out to become the world's most useless prostitutes.

I let her know I'm not paying in the tuk tuk and it's fun to watch her get pissy trying to make driver turn around. But it's too late. In front of my hotel she want's $50. I'm tempted to bargain her down and then say something dumb like I forgot my wallet. But I don't want to get her really mad. Not worth it. She shouldn't have torn up my business card on the dance floor when I was dancing with another whore. Now I had my revenge.

I make the zero sign with my hand and then pump my hips. She gets pissed and gets back in tuk tuk. She looks back as be peddles into the night and I make a wack off motion over crotch Smile

My new Cambodian gf has left some stuff in my apt. She offered to spend every night with me here since she works 2-10:30 shift. But I want some free time to fuck around. She offered to do my laundry but there's service here. She also gives me massages after sex but they're crappy. Real ones cost $5 anyway.

What a shitty country.

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Strip away judeo-christian ethics ingraining sex is dirty/bad & the idea we're taking advantage of these girls disintegrates. Once you've lost that ethical quandary (which it isn't outside religion) then they've no reason to play the victim, you've no reason to feel the rogue. The interaction is to their benefit.
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Travel Museums, keep doing that and you might end up a bloody mess. Or worse.

Cambodia isn't a place where you go around just casually disrespecting locals. There's a strong sense of pride (Yes even with hookers) that can become very dangerous in a heartbeat. You got off lucky that night.

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Yeah so I posted about an earlier encounter on my first night where I didn't make it explicit before I left with the girl. Shame on me it was my first night. You think I made that mistake again? Give me some credit.

First thing I told her when I went into the pulse lounge was I was there to "get away from hookers bc I don't like prostitutes and I don't pay". Then proceeded to ask her what her job was and repeat that "i am not into prostitutes and I do not pay". This was repeated many times through the night. She just ignored it. I think she thought our little lover come back fight meant I was now realizing the situation and was ready to pay. At least that's how I read it in her mind. Maybe totally off and she was thinking entire time I would pay. Idk bc I'd said it before but in a cool subtle way without emphasis.

Yes I knew she was likely a semipro bc she was encouraging me put hands all over her. Then again she was with a friend and didn't leave her even on dance floor so their was some plausibility she was just out for ladies night.

But in all fairness I told her multiple times I don't pay. I think it just didn't hit home bc I was cool and flirty about it. I didn't say it to her in a stone cold way until we were in tuktuk and she flashed her vag and started playing nah nah boo boo u can't have this unless you pay. It's basically what the other girl did too. So I was quick to be like haha but no. You're not getting it. You need to listen bc I know this routine already and I'm not paying with an angry voice. I was annoyed at that point bc it was her first time mentioning paying and I could tell by the way she was saying it she was a bit conflicted like she knew I was gonna shoot her right down. But her whore brain just couldn't help trying to see if she might get some money out of me.

Then she still tried negotiating prices! Again I'm politely saying no I do not pay. Then she got tuktuk guy involved. That's when I taunted her. Maybe not a good idea but give me a break. Bitch tore up my biz card and acted like a twelve year old. Totally unprofessional for a whore.

Honestly I didn't really have much interest in fucking her bc I was pretty sure she was a filthy cum dumpster. But I'm certain I covered my "moral bases" by stating maybe ten times that I do not like whores and won't pay. Not once did she respond she was a whore and would require me to pay until we were in tuk tuk.

I'd probably have a more favorable opinion if I went to seim reap first. But from what I see in and around pp Cambodia is a filthy shithole with a lot of conniving women. I understabd the history and my own country's culpability but as a tourist it's just gross here. I loved Laos but Cambodia so far no.

So when you guys shore a whore how are you saying I don't pay. Bc I say it nice and casual with a smile. Are u supposed to act offended and make a huge deal about it or what? Because neither seemed to come across as serious to her.
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kirirom national park is an interesting day trip from pp. it was about four hours each way by motorbike. last hour through a shit road of mud and river crossing. not to be attempted unless experienced. short hike to a huge waterfall but you can only see the upper half bc of foliage.

got back about 10pm. hit top banana hostel's roof bar about 11. interesting mix of foreigner and locals. was some talent no doubt. but also some really trashy skank white girls who were sucking balloons and starting fights with each other.

one florida mom type must have been 45-50 thought i was trying to steal a beer when i took it out of the case beside the bar and was holding the bills in my hand for the bartender. kinda soured me on the enviroment, but did meet some nice cambodians with actual jobs.

didn't stay long since a girl ive been smashing showed up with food and took her back to my place. most people there seemed to be headed across the street to club love. i tried that place around 2am i think it was a thursday and it was a sausage fest with a few ug backpackers dancing and a few cambo hookers just sitting around. will try it tonight earlier.

most nonpro local girls i meet seem to do the top banana to club love routine at least once a week. ive noticed something interesting too on badoo. most girls i matched with it says i bumped into them at the same place....wait for it....pontoon. lol. its good to see right away bc that pretty much tells you shes a working girl.
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Tried top banana last night (saturday). Got there early a bit after 8pm.

had done a cooking class across the street for $20 at la khmer table. made three courses the main one being amok a traditional dish. can be a good way to meet other travelers. my class only had one couple and a german girl but she had to rush home to pack.

anyway top banana was almost empty. i looked around and headed downstairs, but was followed by a cute african girl. she was saying hi to friends at the belgian tavern across the street. i stuck up convo on stairs and we hung out for a few hours having drinks. her friends were two expat guys and a cambo girl who was maybe a 6-7 but skinny at least.

We didn't stay long and went back to top banana. she was tanzanian but living here as an artist. she was interesting and cute but a little overweight for my taste. im super picky about that. but i'd still smash given logistics. she was sucking on balloon after balloon, drinking, smoking, and still wanted to go have a joint later lol.

She was telling me about having ulcers and liver failure despite only being 21. I was like ugh. I started loosing interest and looking around but still no one at bar around 9:30ish. By ten we were headed out to what I thought was Red Bar on Bassac Lane (fairly close trendy area with a handful of small bars). Turns out it was Red Fox on my old street 136 by the riverside.

When we walked out I said I needed to stop home. She was like ok, but still insisted to get her bike despite me saying nah my place is right there (almost across street). She waited on bike while I went up. So my plan for insta lay was gone. I still thought we'd only be popping around the corner.

After the jay she tried to find some of her friends but her phone died and we were outside their place and it was locked. She suggests trying back at top banana. We go back there and it's now after 11 and going good. Some talent same as last night, but mostly scrubs. I was overdressed in designer jeans, black dress shoes, nice vneck. My girl goes to use toilet so I open a set. The cambo girl is nice but her euro friend has a shit attitude. At one point another ugly white girl jumps into convo with a snarky comment that I diffuse so she turns away and goes back to staring off the balcony.

Would have liked to stay but my girl insisted the place we were going would be good. It was called madhouse. It's next to pontoon. I'd actually popped my head in there a couple times and wondered what the deal was. It's a really shitty cement floor space with no ventilation. There was a gross group of 40-50 year old expat hags smoking. After a half hour her friends finally show up. Two sloppy dudes looked like they just came from the beach and another foreign girl looked like she was wearing pajamas. They're nice and a third dude is the DJ that night. He puts on some beats and we start dancing. I'm not feeling the music and the smoke was ridiculous like being in a japanese smoking box.

I go to pontoon just before 12 to get my stamp and its bumping with good music. I head back to madhouse and tell my girl smoke is bothering me and i'll maybe catch her later at club love. she's pissed. I had started some light kino on her legs which she was receptive too. I was pretty sure she'd smash but it was gonna be an all nighter bc she was adamant about hanging with her friends.

I take it that the expat social circles here are small. I asked her a couple times about what it's like to be a decent looking girl her. Like what's her dating pool like. She said most guys are fuck boys. Girls are about the same. Without really saying it she kept indicating that no one with anything really going for them in life ever sticks around Phnom Penh. She also kept saying the best thing about it was how cheap everything is.

So she's like "By all means go to Pontoon!" and waves me off lol. I'm free. I head to Pontoon. Earlier I ran into a Tinder girl I smashed. She was really standoffish after the smash even though she drove from across river straight to my hotel. So when she saw me we were both kinda like oh hey, awkward tension. She was dancing with a group of girls one friend was decent and gave me ioi and put herself next to me for grinding. But I figure meh she's about the same as the girl I had coming over steady every night. Plus she's friends with this other girl so unless I commit to her hard and take her off dance floor quick the odds of cockblock are high.

My big problem is I always want to move around the space and check out what's available before making a commitment. At the international parties in Japan I ran into trouble bc I'd open set after set and get digits. Then girls would say I like you but you talked to many girls... At Pontoon you'd think the whores understand business is business but they're so touchy. If they see you bump and grind with more than one chick they figure you're just out to have fun and probably not going to pay. So they get really standoffish.

I opened a few sets that were both two girls dancing together like besties. One hot. The other not. One set the hot friend literally ran off dance floor despite her ugly friend trying to push her into me. The other set I started with ugly girl then switched to hot one. It was working until I decided she was too skinny and went to dance around the space again. Kinda sad because I'm really longing for a girl who doesn't have a beer belly pouch. But this girl was like a stick. Emaciated.

I see the only other tall white dude who is dressed decently. He quickly moved on the girl I passed up in the circle of friends with the one from Tinder. She's grinding on him and I'm like damn. That was obviously my best shot for SNL with a nonpro. Why am I so picky and logical.

My regular girl had been texting me to come over but I refused to give up. I went out of pontoon and back in a few times. Finally gave up and headed home to Golden Street. I played dumb and asked the tuktuk driver where the best place for getting laid without paying was. He said Club Love which is where I was headed anyway.

Getting out of tuktuk I see a white Tinder girl I had a date with Thur on Bassac Lane. I made out with her a little that night and there was talk of going to Kirirom together but I got the feeling she was unreliable bc of work so I just went on my own. I sent her maybe 3 texts over last few days just saying what i was up to. She hadn't answered so i figured she wasn't down. I ask her hey did i offend you? she's like no i was just busy with work and organizing this drinking party. She was leading this group of expats around with name tags. She was maybe a 6-7 and not in great shape so i wasn't real keen so i just walked into crowd. she sent me a long text later apologizing and saying she hoped i had a great night.

Club Love was a joke. It was 1:30 and a sausage fest. way more packed than last time I went. Apparently it was some special event. I'd hate to see it when nothing special is going on. There wasn't one hottie in the whole place. I saw a german girl taller than me but busted nose and gimpy body. I approached but she was with a mixed set of 4 and standoffish. None of them looked like they were enjoying themselves just standing there. Again, I went in and out several times thinking what the hell am I missing? This can't be it. This is really a Saturday night in Phnom Penh?

My rule is if things suck by 2am I cut my losses and go home. Opened one more set on street. 6-7 looking khmer girl who was heading to club love. She was just going to drop off some christmas looking ornmanents as a present to her friends then wanted to go home. I asked her to chill for awhile but she was a bit scared and I was really fed up with gaming chicks that I'm not attracted to.

Literally nothing left for me to do as a tourist in Phnom Penh or within 4 hours one way. Heading to Sihanoukville tomorrow by bus. Met a girl on Tinder there who might travel with me if I cover her costs. She's 21 cambodian nothing special but 7-8 in looks and not a hooker. From Takeo and has no job. Missed her last weekend when she did the top banana to club love circuit bc I was smashing. Now she's staying with friends down there and looking for work. She'd initially agreed to borrow money and come back here to meet me but got scared.

Still pretty sour on Cambodia. My girl from Laos would probably fly her and meet me if I push her. She said she wanted to come here and meet me but when it came to actually doing so said "I don't know how to do that". She's 31 so I see no reason to have to hold her hand and make travel arrangements. Also she's not rich and has been saving up to travel with me around northern Laos next month. So I figure let her keep the money for that. She's kinda useless as a travel partner even in Laos, here she'd really be no help.

So still hoping I can meet a decent local girl to travel the rest of the country with. My girl her requested a day off to spend countdown with me in Seim Reap. But I'm not sure if I'll be back for it. I think she can tell I'm not so into her. Last time we got together I couldn't cum despite her doing everything she could to get me to nut. Too bad bc she's super sweet, pays for me, buys me food, even gives me little massages every morning and night.
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I'll add another note about tinder and badoo here. The quality is low. like almost all 6s and chubby. It seems like you're matching with a ton of girls but after you fuck a couple you realize they all have pics that make them look at least 1-2 points better. then if you go to pontoon a few times and look back at their profile you'll see you bumped into them there. That tells you 1) shes a whore 2) you didn't even notice here bc she's not hot enough to approach in person.

Even when I toured the gym here I did not see hot skinny girls. the best gym is called the place and its a few blocks south of golden street. $15 to workout. has an internet room and biggest pool in PP. Has some aerobic classes and martial arts stuff. Looked like karate when I was there.
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Enjoy reading your posts Travel Museums, was in Phnom Penh last weekend and will be visiting regularly now that my wife is posted there. Of what I have seen of the city after two weekend visits, you are not far off the mark. Wife works for a large company that is very expat heavy with Japanese and Singaporeans and all they talk about is how they would rather live and work in Thailand. On the plus side, decent international bakeries and restaurants.
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Took bus down to Sihanoukville. About 6 hours from PP. We'll get to that...

Had a date last night in PP off badoo with a unicorn. This Cambodian girl actually graduated college! And was a 24 year old virgin!! Things only worked out that she was in my area bc it was Sunday. I had been on a sunset cruise so didn't see her message but she actually waited for an hour.

She said it's basically impossible to meet a decent guy in PP. She was super shy but into me. I took her to a happy hour on Golden Street and drew the curtain in a cabana by the pool, but there was a family splashing around for most of our date so she was super shy. We made out a little. She said she hadn't even been kissed before and from the way she did it I would have to agree. She poured most of her beer into my glass. She said I would have to meet her dad and get permission and marry her before we could bang. But later she was texting that she wanted to explore with me.

It's funny bc that morning I was supposed to have a date with another student. That girl was on Tinder but super busy in a dual degree program. We texted for over a week. She was willing to meet me for like two hours starting at 8am Sunday. But everything I suggested she was like no to breakfast, no to massage, so I just flaked. She was maybe a 6-7.

Anyway this girl said I was the first guy that ever gave her these feelings and she would like me to be her boyfriend. It's weird bc you here the same fluff shit from prostitutes too. They both want to be taken care of in different ways I guess... She wasn't real cute but better than her photo. I guess a 6 or so for a Cambodian.

So I had matched this girl on Tinder that had been up in PP for a supposed photo shoot. She says she does modeling. In actuality over dinner in Sinouk she told me she did like two small private shows at a bikini bar for like $50. The dude who was supposed to photo her is some scumbag expat with no training who she was gonna stay with but got locked out.

Her whole narrative was a series of mishaps and really sad. She had a hard life like most Cambo. She had an 8th grade education and had to work at a factory at 15 to support herself. I have some sympathy for that, but I mean my grandma had a life like that in America too and still turned out to be a classy lady. My grandma didn't have much but she wasn't remotely down the path of this chick.

You want to hear this story? I don't think you do. I mean you can probably guess. No she claimed to never have been an actual prostitute, that would have been the smart path. She's been running around getting used by losers with no compensation and at times physically abused. I noticed a dog bite scar on her leg too. I actually had to sit through this and hide the horror from my face.

It's sad bc this girl was the best looking non-whore I've met. I'd say a solid 8. She did lose points after dinner when I took her to Taboo. She raised her shirt and grabbed her belly flab and showed me how she was getting fat. I was like yeah I mean I used to model too and so did my sister. Youre going on 22? I mean you're too short for runway but you're never going to get legit work if you don't start taking care of yourself. She showed me her bikini photo and I thought wow if I saw that before I probably would not have met her. But I was trying to be nice bc I really felt sorry for this chick.

I new she was going to be a bit trashy. But I let her know by text that I like it when girls show an intelligent, classy, elegant side. It can be even more charming if they're trying despite shortcomings. She just had no idea. It was truly sad to watch her.

I asked what her dream was. It was to own some land and have a restaurant and maybe a hotel. But she had looked in Kampot and the cheapest place in town was $300,000. That USD! So totally unaffordable. I later asked so what do you see yourself doing in the next 5 or 10 years bc that's not a reality (she couldn't save that much in 10 lifetimes). She tells me she will find a rich boyfriend.

Again I bite my tongue bc I don't want to insult this girl. I think really? You got used by a bunch of really old and really young guys and you're already past your prime. You can't even find a decent job. But you think any dude with anything going for him is gonna touch you with a 10 foot pole? He's only gonna fuck you and leave. Get real! I hated when people asked me questions like that when I was her age but at least I'd say something realistic.

The really sad thing that I definitely couldn't share with her. She's actually sitting next to the one dude in her whole life who has that much cash on hand. I usually don't but coming into the election I shifted some investments around to hedge against either outcome. In fact my bank had just emailed saying the deposits had all cleared back into my brokerage account, lol. So I'm thinking god what a dummy. She's sold her ass for a few bucks to old men. Then here she is talking to me (handsome, young, educated, sincere, worldly, athletic, relatively rich) and it's almost like she's trying to do everything she can to make me run away! Like literally I would bet you that this girl will never again sit next to and talk with a guy who actually has that much cash and could at least theoretically make her dream come true. So sad.

Final nail in the coffin. I should have just walked her from restaurant back to my room and fucked her like she's probably used to getting. Honestly I was scared she was gonna either ask for money or feel like I was just like every other guy. The reason I met this chick was bc I want a local girl to travel with for a few weeks to a month. I did this in Laos and it was wonderful. I actually wish I pushed for that girl to meet me here. But she's a typical hot useless chick who I'd have to make all the arrangements for.

Initially I told this girl she'd have to pay for herself like a normal woman her age. But after a week in PP I realized I wasn't going to meet any Cambo girl who could do that. Even if I payed for hotel since I'd be getting private rooms anyway. So our tentative agreement was I'd pay all her costs plus give her some money when we parted ways. It sounded tantamount to prostitution to me but I thought I'd at least give her a shot. I remember what it's like to be poor but honest.

So after we ditch Taboo (which is the only classy bar/club/lounge in town and was COMPLETELY EMPTY, of course, bc everyone in town is trash) I walk her back to my place. She doesn't like holding hands and is worried about people seeing her. I wonder why she cares bc it sounds like she's been around the block several times and with old guys on their deathbed (part of a story was about a guy who died on her).

Ever since dinner she was talking about meeting friends at the Big Easy Bar. She actually just said "my friend". But she did tell me about the orbiter guy she's been using who is the friend of her friend's boyfriend. She's been stringing him along for a week or so.

So I get her back to my room and she's treating me like an orbiter. So I tell her I think ur confused. I've been trying to demonstrate to you that I'm not a scumbag sex tourist and build some trust and rapport. Since we actually need to establish this if we're going to start traveling together tomorrow (just a day trip to start). But she's playing hard to get and says she'll text me later and we can go to the beach.

I needed to shower and get some work done so I let her go. After 40 min I walk over to the bar and she's surprised to see me. I'm like well this is the only real place to drink in serendipity beach. I know you purposely didn't invite me but I'm gonna end up meeting ur friends at some point. Honestly I'm not sure if she was hiding me from her friends or her friends from me.

I know I def still could have banged her up until this point. It was partly a dick move, but I wasn't interested to just bang a decent looking chick as much as I wanted to see what her crew was like. Because I've never had problems in all my travels around the world bc I have a zero tolerance policy on associating with trash of any kind. Even if they're nice people. They still do dumb stuff like piss in the street, petty theft, drunken shanigans, lost their shit, start dumb fights over nothing. Best to avoid anyone that falls into that category. And boy did they.

She's awkward but introduces me to one of her friends. A huge orca fat and trashy english girl. I'm sure she's a nice girl and all, but all the girls in the group turn out to be slobs. I had seen them drunkenly dancing to 80s music all the way from the street and almost turned back I was so horrified. I thought well no way I will have to interact with them. Wrong.

Then her orbiter comes over and starts cavemanning her like a 12 year old. Looked more like wrestling actually. Pug nosed ugly bearded sunburnt backpacker who looks at me like wtf but is so drunk goes right back to cavemanning her. She's struggling all girly like tee hee get away from me. But at times actually slapping him pretty violent. Just real trash interaction if I ever saw one.

Again I'm horrified but don't want to just walk out. She offers me a drink from a bucket full of yellow slop that tasted worse than it looked. It had a dozen straws for all of them to drink like little piggies. I thought am I being elitist here? Let me at least try to get into this. I took a few more sips and bopped for 5 min. A few busted but skinny western girls walked through the bar and gave me iois. I'm thinking ugh is this really my life? What did I do wrong? I feel like I need therapy...

She suddenly fucks off with her fat friend towards the back of the bar. I take this is my opportunity to cut my losses. I walk out. I head towards the beach and send her a text "I don't think we're a good match, sorry".

Down at the beach it's about the same. A few Khmer people. I open every girl. Two set looks like they could be 14. Say they are 18 and 19. Going on and on about how the cops took their bracelets bc they were trying to sell them at night. And now they need money bc their mom will be mad. Some Khmer dudes come over and start fucking around with them like cavemen. One dude sneaks up behind them and grabs her breasts. Girls are pissed. Taking off their ratty ass sandals to hit the guys and defend themselves. Guys just laugh and keep doing it. I walk away disgusted.

I accept a second free flyer for a free drink, ahem slop, at Rockys. Because my first plastic cup of watered down turds wasn't good enough. But hey it's free. I open some girls who are obviously prostitutes. They way they look at you all interested then turn to the raggedy ass beach bum who is a walking heroin addict poster and give them the same look. Well that just makes you feel special.

I'm given a third flyer but run after a girl I see walking out who has a fine ass body from behind. I turn her and introduce myself. Fuck busted Khmer face. And whats this bonus? I huge slash and stitch across her face. Looks like a cartoon stiching I used to draw in the 4th grade when I wanted to sketch a guy who was a total badass street person. Just what I look for in a woman. She didn't remember how it happened. Only she was drinking, fell, and woke up. But on the bright side she kept repeating she would be OK by Friday. Can't miss the big Sea Party coming up. (Sounds like a Thai products sale essentially but room prices double all over Sihanouk).

I open a couple normal looking girls who are sitting down. They are polite. They noticed I walked up and down the beach a few times and asked what I was looking for. I'm like well this will sound crazy but I'd like to meet a normal middle class cambodian woman. They laugh and say you will never meet her on the beach, bar, club, etc. Both of them had boyfriends but when I inquire further they are just kinda boyfriends. Oh foreigners? Yes. Oh how old? 50s lol! These girls are like early 20s.

So every available hot girl in Cambodia is kinda fucked up in one way or another. Either a student with no time but wants a relationship with no sex before marriage. Or I'm an ATM and I'm sharing her pussy with a bunch of other dudes that probably fuck whores on the reg. Wonderful.

On a positive note (relatively speaking) my main girl in PP slept over last night. She works 2-10;30 at a big hotel. She's cute but not hot. She always asks if I've eaten and comes over with food. She says I'm too skinny. I'm like uh, actually I've slacked off and I consider myself overweight (I still have a 6 pack but hold impossible standards for myself).

She makes decent money and essentially doubles her pay with tips bc they usually stick her with VIPs. So she knows how to be normal and show class. She's so sweet. But I'm not sexually attracted to her after a few bangs. So she just does massages and we talk and cuddle. She wasn't even mad when I had blown her off Saturday night to try to pick up a girl (ended in failure, bc I honestly did not see one hot girl the whole night).

I'm getting seriously depressed here in Cambodia. My thing is to visit a country and max out my visa while I try to see everything. So I'll be here traveling around at least another 2-3 weeks. But shit. It's distressing me to be here. I haven't found any reason anyone with anything going for them would ever want to come here.

Oh yeah so as I'm walking off the beach in a stuper of depression I see the girl I texted. We walk next to each other for a second. I nudge her. I'm like did u get my text? She's super sad like yeah Sad I tell her I think you were a little rude to me. She admits yeah a little. She does a sad walk into a shitty beach bar where her fatty friends are dancing with each other and the orbiter dude looks like he is having the time of his life.

I feel so much frustration and sadness but I know there's nothing left to do or say. This country is fucked for at least another few generations. Both of the educated chicks I met told me they'd grab any opportunity to get out of Cambodia but their only concern was their family who supported their studies. I asked what if you could get your family eventually. Then it was no question absolutely they would leave.
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So to sum up the above post I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. I may go insane if I stay in Cambodia for my entire visa.
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It's like /r9k leaked into here or something

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You should probably get out of Cambo and head to Thailand as I said before. Only reason to come to Cambodia really is to to visit the temples and Angkor Wat. Siem Reap and its bar street is fun if you like backpackers.

PP is worth a day trip if that.
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@Travel Museums: I appreciate the datasheet in the depth reports on Cambodia, I mean to check it out soon.

On another note, if you don't like it there WTF are you still doing there? Thailand is a 45 min flight away.

And an observation about yourself: Stay in the West or Japan/Taiwan, you clearly aren't ready for SE Asia/LatAm/3rd world places.
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I'm hear bc when I commit to a country I max out my visa and see everything I can. If I like it I will do a back to back visa.

My main purpose is not to do pickup but to learn about the culture. I don't need to repeat that stuff here so most of what I talk about is strictly pussy related.

I've traveled in rural mexico without problems but it was in college before i was trying to get laid on a daily basis. It's just frustrating to be in situations where there's either no quality girls and/or they're whores. That's Cambo in a nutshell.

This morning the hot friend of the Tinder girl also starts messaging me on Tinder. She wants to hookup. I'm like something isn't right here... Turns out she is a lady boy. Which sounds really weird to me bc she looks hotter than the girl I was initially interested in. Plus she had a guy with her the whole night (claims she just broke up with her boyfriend).

I run into the first girl at Big Easy. She tries to pretend not to see me but I wave and let her know that its cool. We're not a match but we can be friends. She invites me to sit down. But she's all depressed and kinda starts into her "I have no money" crybaby routine. I say I'm going on a boat to the islands. She says she's never been. But she's lived her awhile?! I'm like well how much did you spend today in booze? She says idk $5. I was like well I spent zero. Skip drinking 3 days and you could go on this trip. She doesn't like that. She was fishing for me to offer her something lol. I tell her to enjoy her night and text me later if she cheers up.

I met some locals but nothing happened. I run into her hours later still drinking in Big Easy. I'm like wtf you're still here? She's even sadder and more depressed. I eject. Later she messages me indicating she wants to come over. I'm like uh I think that ship sailed but you can come give me $10 I spent on you for dinner and drinks. We get into a big text fight with her trying to claim she has her own money. I copy paste her quotes where she complains about having no money, saying I need to pay for her shit, etc. She threatens to make sure I never leave the islands alive. I tell her my dad is an army general and she stops texting immediately lol. What a dumb idiot. Her lady boy friend was texting me that he can't even stand her but she's a pathetic case so he lets her stay. Then he asked me for money for sex. Ah Cambodia
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When I was travelling and I hit a combo of:
1) no interest in connecting with locals or the culture
2) no hot girls
It was time to GTFO, and any other day I stayed there was just kind of a waste.

Sometimes there's just too big of a culture disconnect. Sometimes things just don't work out. Sometimes the people or the culture isn't shit, it's just not for you. Wanting the last word or to "teach someone a lesson" or judging their choices might feel good in the short term but in the long run looking back on your times you will probably see it differently.

Travel Museums, I have a feeling you will probably feel the same way about Thailand if you end up partying in most of the hooker / beach bars.

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(12-19-2016 12:59 PM)Travel Museums Wrote:  Took bus down to Sihanoukville. About 6 hours from PP. We'll get to that...

Again I'm horrified but don't want to just walk out. She offers me a drink from a bucket full of yellow slop that tasted worse than it looked. It had a dozen straws for all of them to drink like little piggies.

"I'm like uh I think that ship sailed but you can come give me $10 I spent on you for dinner and drinks."

+1 for writing like a train wreck I can't look away from.

I would be careful about being antagonistic towards poor people in poor countries where no one would really look for you if you disappeared.

There's no CSI in SE Asia unless you're a child of the aristocracy.


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Listen to the other posters, life can be very cheap to some in SEA, you should avoid antagonizing the locals. Nothing good can come from that.

The upper class cambo girls I've met don't go out to clubs and bars usually, unless in large group of friends. They say it's not safe for them. They have armed drivers and are very security conscious. They do goto coffee shops and the mall during the day. So you could try those in PP if you go back or some of the places recommended by the posters who have lived there. I doubt you'll ever meet a normal cambo girl in pontoon or the other places you've gone. Hope you enjoy the rest of your trip.
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I second these motions

IMO, I take threats to my life VERY seriously when in someone else's country. You never know who they know, and most Western governments really won't care too much/can only do so much if you go missing/get kidnapped. Diplomacy and all that other bullshit.

If I were you, I'd take Cambodia as an L and move on.
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I'd take it serious if it was a real threat. She was drunk texting. It wasn't a serious threat. She was just pissed at getting rejected. I even kissed her the next night. It was my last night, I was drunk, just wanted to wish her well then went to bed.

Truly feel sorry for her and did my best to not antagonize her despite her doing ridiculously rude/trashy shit. I finally just had to be honest and direct with her. I've had people do that to me when I was younger. I was pissed at them at the time but glad they did bc my expectations and behavior were really stupid and needed a reality check.

I'm gonna finish out my trip here. I had read this thread beforehand but I guess I just wasn't prepared for cambodia. I should have lowered my expectations MUCH more.

Should have gamed girl in Sihanouk for a pump and dump and not a travel partner. I could have also banged a Badoo Filipina here in kampot but she's a 5 at best. Plus she wanted it to be a threesome with her expat BF.

Kampot is actually a nice town. Enjoyed my 4 nights here. Headed towards PP but making a stop in Takeo for a day or two.

Another dilemma. Virgin college girl wants to travel with me for a week starting Wednesday since she's off from school. But another girl in PP already requested off work for 31-2nd to spend with me in Seim Reap.

I'm not that into either one. But given slim pickings in Cambodia I should probably take a girl to Angkor with me, right?
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Stopped in Takeo on the way back to PP. Bit of a backwater. No nightlife and no foreigners I saw. My room was $6 for the night. Getting there requires a tuktuk from highway at angk ta Saom. The minivan from Kampot still charged full fare to pp ($7).

There's a couple ruined Chenla temples, a museum, and waterfall to see. One requires along boat ride down a canal. The other is a long tuktuk ride to kirivong near Vietnam border. Both cost $35 trips. Paid an extra ten to get a moto up Phnom bayong in kirivong to avoid the 1.5 hike.

Missed the last minivans but got a share taxi back for $8. Dream Guesthouse is $15 night with AC near the Sorya Bus Station and central market. Walkable to pontoon.

I thought I'd get a nap and wander that way. I actually wanted to try going there specifically for shoring. I asked how guys are shoring here but got no answers. When I researched it seems most guys are still getting asked for money in the morning.

The "technique" seems to be going to club later (or staying late) when whore figures their unlikely to get John (or already had one). Then take her home firmly telling her no money. Maybe just paying her drink? But from posts I read guys where still getting asked for money and dealing with tantrums, threats, theft at least half the time...

I'm not sure it's worth it. Most of the hookers weren't that hot. The good ones tend to already be taken unless you go very early like 11. And I have a strict no trash policy. I've never gotten robbed or lost my phone (ok once when I first started traveling and clubbing). Seems like the guys who regularly shore are also regularly losing their phones, getting robbed, blackmailed, tons of drama. Doesn't seem worth it to me. Beyond Bordeds seemed to have it dailed in for shoring in Thailand though I gathered he speaks the language and can communicate all the subtleties?

While I was down on the coast I pipelined some PP chicks on badoo. Had about a dozen that wanted to meet. One worked next to Sorya mall so met her there.

She was waiting around since she got off work at a bank nearby. By time I got there was 7:30 and she had to leave by 8:30. She already ate too. Took her grocery shopping then had her pick out cookies she liked. Used dessert as excuse to come upstairs.

She wasn't sure if she was still in a relationship with a French guy who left months ago. She said they talked last week. She felt it was over. Her profile said single. Still she was feeling super guilty. Then told me she'd been raped by friends and didn't even have sex with her BF.

Seems so many Khmer have a really sad personal history. I gave her a massage and she relaxed. Was downhill from there. I came in a few seconds since it's been a week. Had to listen to her talk about her ex bf after and how she felt guilty bc they just drifted apart and never officially broke up. Every noneducated English speaker I meet seems to have that same story. Kinda has a foreign boyfriend (either left months ago or is retired expat). She was a 6.

Have to get up and take a bus to kampong chhang. Khmer college girl is going with me for her countdown holiday. Planning to hit small towns south of Tonle sap lake and the floating villages and bird sanctuary. Then cardamom mountains and Battambang. If time koh rong.

Then she goes home and I can hit Siem Reap solo. There's supposed to be some nightlife so I figure better to go alone. Met a handful of girls on badoo from there too.
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Girl I banged was trying to come say goodbye yesterday morning. Had to tell her my bus already left to avoid her showing up at station.

Everything went fine with college girl. She was able to tell bus driver to let us off in front of a hotel in Kampong Chhnang. Hired tuktuk to take us around to sights. Then a boat to floating villages on Tonle sap. That's pretty much all there is to do.

Skipped stopping in pursat. Not much there unless you head south into cardamom mountains. The nature there seems interesting but all the preserves mentioned in guidebook have zero tourist services. Basically seemed like wilderness outside of a few small towns.

Once home onfirst night I threw her on bed and we went at it. She offered up her ass so her pussy could stay a virgin for marriage. I'd heard of chicks doing this. To me it's crazy but it seemed rock solid logic to her. I didn't argue.

Thankfully I had packed lube. I took a girls ass in Seoul a few months ago and made sure to always have some in my toiletry kit. It was slow going but by the time I popped she was enjoying it.

Round two this afternoon in Battambang and she was declaring her love for me and my "big cock in her ass". Battambang is bigger than Kampot and so lacks any quaintness. The air here is thick with smog. Almost like there's a forest fire nearby. It's pretty gross. Nothing in town save some wats and a super small stone statue museum. Everyone goes to the circus solei type show at night. It's good show by Cambodian standards but amateur to stuff I've seen on medium sized cruise ships like celebrity. There's supposed to be some good day trips outside town.

I'm trying to figure out if this girl is upper class... She has real job with an intl company. She doesn't have fucked up rice planting feet. Her English is perfect. Her parents had a business in PP but moved back to Kandal Province. Her suitcase is Gucci but she says it's fake. She has money to split costs on everything but says her budget will run out in another two days. So she'll head home or meet her parents in seim reap for countdown.

I'm kinda glad since I'm bored already with the sex. To cum I must to have her lick ass and nuts while I jack off. Her pussy is super sensitive and she'll only let me rub my cock around outside. Anything close to penetration and she goes into convulsions.
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Battambang's attractions are all outside town. Rented a motorbike for $7 (hate paying this much in small towns). Girl kept insisting on a tuktuk for $15 that was only going to take us to half the stuff. Finally got her on the bike and she held on so tight.

The most interesting thing was probably the rice paper making village. You can watch the production process then eat fresh spring rolls with made with the paper.

She sensed I was bored and left the next day. It was New Years so I was glad to be able to go out alone. Picked up a very cute French woman but alas she had an out of country boyfriend so wouldn't come up to my room.

I kept the motorbike and headed to Phailin province. About a two hour drive to a decent waterfall there. Then hit Wat Sampov and watched the bats stream out of the cave at dark.

Today headed out to sisophon. Was difficult to get a motorbike. Nowhere in town would rent one. My guesthouse wanted $15 for a piece of shit one that looked like it'd been in an accident. For that price I got one with a driver off street. Took me up to banteay chhmar temple which has great ruins. About an hour each way north of town.

Tomorrow heading to Siem Reap. Hoping I can extend my visa without having to go across border to Thailand.

The college girl has texted inviting me to stay with her there for a few days. She would extend her visit. But I told her I felt a little weirded out by the anal only policy plus she had ditched me for NYE (which I was secretly happy about).

She texted a few more times trying to get me to change my mind saying. How much she loved me. I asked if that meant I'd fuck the pussy? She said if t makes you happy yes but was being vague when I told her not to Bullshit so I just stopped texting. Another girl from PP was there for countdown and invited me to stay with her, but is also going back tomorrow.

Looking forward to some freedom there. Have a few Badoo contacts but nothing special. Might try some beer gardens for locals.
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