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Forgot to mention backwards sled drags are another more unusual exercise that are supposed to be good for quads. I'm not at a gym that has the equipment, or I'd definitely be messing about with them as they're pretty knee friendly.
05-27-2019 12:09 PM
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(05-24-2019 10:00 PM)Thrill Jackson Wrote:  
(05-24-2019 09:50 AM)Repo Wrote:  Ya'll think these are fake weights? I've never seen anyone lift this much weight while being this skinny. One of my buddies is one of the biggest freaks of nature I know, he can put up 405 while weighing 190. .. the difference is his upper body is so jacked he looks 225. This dude barely even looks like he even lifts.




Seems real, if you look in previous videos he is pretty jacked. Some people just have those crazy genes and once you have that and are hyperfocused, the sky is the limit.

He is top heavy though, would be more impressed if he could do the equivalent in Squat/deadlift.

I want to yell "fake" but I'll back up a second.

Dude doesn't look bigger than 150 pounds, but some people have really good levers. He's not a big dude and his arms don't appear that long. Hard to tell, though. That's a baggy t-shirt.

I suspect he specializes in the bench and just got it down.

I have a friend who is about 200 pounds who can reverse grip bench press well over 420 pounds, so it's not that crazy or out of the realm of possibility.

I know of guys who weight around what I weigh (180 on average) and can easily rip 500+ on deadlifts for reps.

There's just some strong dudes out there.

Either way, if it's real, then this just means we could all stand to work harder. Which is ultimately what I believe anyway.

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(05-21-2019 02:37 PM)sterling_archer Wrote:  You do ab roller from knees or toes? I do from the knees, no shame admitting that, exercise is fucking brutal and I hope to hit same sets and reps this year but using it from toes and not from knees.

Toes. I usually do them while I'm at home listening to podcasts and stuff.

It's a fun trick to show girls too.

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They're real weights.
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(05-27-2019 12:15 PM)Fortis Wrote:  
(05-21-2019 02:37 PM)sterling_archer Wrote:  You do ab roller from knees or toes? I do from the knees, no shame admitting that, exercise is fucking brutal and I hope to hit same sets and reps this year but using it from toes and not from knees.

Toes. I usually do them while I'm at home listening to podcasts and stuff.

It's a fun trick to show girls too.

How long it took you to go from knees to toes?
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You’re right. It looks like the guys leg drive is spot on, and honestly tendon strength accounts for so much more than we give it credit for.

Not gonna lie, seeing that cat had me salty as all get out. Gotta take that and turn it into admiration and inspiration.
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Yeah, It's hilarious. I've been lifting for 6 years an I only recently learned about leg drive when it comes to the bench.

Immediately added a few KG to my bench that way.

Now imagine someone who has always known about leg drive and has proper coaching? He could easily be doing double bodyweight and more.

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(05-27-2019 11:56 AM)Kieran Wrote:  If you can squat, then there really isn't a substitute for quad development. I can't squat currently due to knee issues (and to make matters worse I also have lower back issues too). I use the trap bar deadlift or the sumo deadlift as my main movement (the trap bar deadlift is a lot easier to learn out of the two, although the sumo deadlift has a bit more quad involvement). I then follow it up with some kind of quad work, or sometimes none at all, depending on how my knees feel on the day (reverse lunges have been all I can handle recently), and then finish off with some Romanian deadlifts if I feel like I want to get a bit more posterior chain work and I can handle the volume.


I do have a gym membership at a gym with a power rack, but I've been working mad hours lately. At home I have a deadlift platform, about five hundred pounds of plates, a dip station, a pullup bar with gymnastic rings, heavy ass adjustable dumbbell setup (think circus dumbbell), and of course a barbell. Upper body is basically all taken care of, and although I have tried in the past - as an experiment - to see what happens to my legs when I stick to deadlift only for lower body, my quads go to hell every time.

Lately I'll pick two or three exercises after work (ex dips, db press, pseudoplanche pushups) and do three sets of each rest pause to failure. I can crush most of a workout in the time it takes me to get to the gym.

I still want to hit legs more than once a week and it'd be a hell of a lot easier to load up the barbell and smash a 20 rep set of whatever deadlift than it would be to drag my ass to the gym after a thirteen hour shift. I might end up just getting a trap bar and pulling from a deficit. Based on what you wrote I'm about 90% convinced that I should go with the trap bar.

Sorry to hear about your knees and lower back problems. Joint problems are the worst.

(05-27-2019 12:04 PM)sterling_archer Wrote:  @Hannibal

Zercher squat

I have considered it, that or perhaps cleaning a weight and front squatting it. Zercher or front squat might be my best option for leg development without a squat rack, a Steinborn squat wouldn't work well where I'm at, as it would fuck up the floor.

(05-27-2019 12:07 PM)Fortis Wrote:  I'm a big fan of the barbell hack squat. Whenever I do that lift I feel like I'm clearly the top dog in the gym.

Every time I try these I either round my back or bark the back of my legs and I end up having to go absurdly light. Do you do them as a primary mover or assistance? They look like they smash quads.


I'm going to test out these lifts then

Sumo deadlift
Hack squat
Zercher
Deficit snatch grip deadlift

and if those don't work I'll likely go with the trap bar.

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I haven’t posted in this thread in forever, but that’s going to change. I’ve been working out a lot (same as always) but have made many improvements.

I want to drop some diet knowledge soon for those interested in not only looking good but feeling amazing.

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06-03-2019 05:22 PM
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Regarding that bench-press video, I've seen plenty of folk lifting weights that they look like they have no business with, but this ..... I genuinely don't know what to make of it. Seems legit, but to bench 400lb looking like a soccer player!? Nearly all the 'naturally strong' dudes I know are small, stocky, with short, thick limbs.

I lift to look good and be strong and fit. I'm not a powerlifter. If I ever bench 400, I want to at least look like a person who can bench 400! He looks fit (and well done to him), but somehow I find this vid kinda dispiriting.

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I've been out of the gym for a few weeks now due to shoulder impingement. I got absent minded one day doing OHP and that was that. Rookie mistake.

Some questions for folks with experience:

1- I'm getting physiotherapy now. It's helping but I still can't push (or even pull) any real weight. Anything else I can do for recovery?

2- I went in for some machine work (low weight, high reps) today. It felt OK but is this better or total rest?

3- being out of the gym makes me restless so I've been doing cardio. Effectively on a forced cut. What else can I do till my shoulder gets better?

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MPD,

From my own experiences with a shoulder impingement, doing dead hangs from a bar helped a ton. Kind of “un-pinches” whatever is inflamed.
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MPD, on phone and can't quote reply, but google doggcrapps shoulder cure (if you see an old webforum from from like 2005 youre in the right place), its a basic mobility stretch that treats impingement better than anything out there. Try some 40, 50, or even 100 rep variants of stuff like empty bar curls or 60# behind the neck press, this will reduce tightness and force blood flow into problem areas while causing some hypertrophy in a balanced way. Usually people who ignore high rep shit will develop joint problems over time. I try to throw in 50-100 rep sets of whatever at least once a week.

Bar hangs are good too, focus on opening the armpits if that makes any sense. Good luck chasing the pump.
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Folks, thanks a lot for all the help with my shoulder issue.

Stretching and that broomstick over the head exercise are great. Things are much better now though not really back to 100% yet. All in good time.
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You might want to add band pull aparts as well. They pretty much single handedly resolved my issues along with ditching overhead pressing (this is a controversial one with people on both sides of the debate that I respect, but considering I boxed for over 20 years, I went with the views of Defranco, Buddy Morris, Joel Jamieson, etc. who say that if you take part in a sport where there is a lot of compressive force on the shoulder, then the last thing you want to do is an exercise that is compressive on the shoulder joint, worked for me).
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(05-27-2019 08:31 PM)Fortis Wrote:  Yeah, It's hilarious. I've been lifting for 6 years an I only recently learned about leg drive when it comes to the bench.

Immediately added a few KG to my bench that way.

Now imagine someone who has always known about leg drive and has proper coaching? He could easily be doing double bodyweight and more.

Yeah, leg-drive was one of the biggest things that improved my bench when I first started out. But I too, have only just learnt something about the bench; back-drive! I was watching Mark Rippetoe on Youtube talking about the Bench-Press and he mentioned the importance of 'pushing down hard on the bench with your back' during the movement. So instead of merely 'pushing' the weight upwards, you are also trying to drive the bench into the ground with your back (and legs of course).

It's a simple thing, but a change in perspective like this can transform your lifts.
Similar to how when squatting you should imagine yourself pushing your legs into the ground.

I'm not totally sold on Rippetoe (I'm more of a bodybuilder. Don't think he'd like my upright rows!), but he's entertaining to listen to and he knows his stuff.

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I get that leg drive helps you lift more, I use it myself. But does it actually help with chest development or does it just transfer the weight to other parts of the body?
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(07-03-2019 12:08 PM)Repo Wrote:  I get that leg drive helps you lift more, I use it myself. But does it actually help with chest development or does it just transfer the weight to other parts of the body?

Good question. For me, I've always thought that the leg drive helps you stabilise, lift more weight with good form and that the extra weight lifted translates into more muscle.

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Yeah. I ask because theres some guys at my gym that bench even do it with their legs raised straight up to ensure that the chest does 100% of the work. You definately feel those, fun excercise for the core too.
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Yeah. I ask because theres some guys at my gym that bench even do it with their legs raised straight up to ensure that the chest does 100% of the work. You definately feel those, fun excercise for the core too.
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If it helps you to lift more weight, your chest will get bigger from it. Using leg drive doesn't diminish chest involvment
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Chest development is mainly a question of the quality of movement, and the much talked about 'mind muscle' connection.

It is true, moving more weight using leg drive will have some crossover to building your chest size. However, it is not the most effective way. Leg drive is primarily for those concerned with moving more weight because weight moved is the goal in itself. If your goal is general size and strength, I would say there are more effective and safer ways of developing your chest. Personally I feel dumbbells are ideal, as they allow a full range of motion. They are much better for your shoulders too.

As your training age increases, I would say that the best thing you can do is find ways to get more out of lighter weights. Getting rid of my focus on moving more weight is the single best thing I've done for developing my size and strength. If I can get superior size and strength gains from lighter weights then that, in my view, is the very best way to proceed.
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Guys, what do you think about John McCallum ideas about training from 1960s?

He had very simple but apparently effective programs which focused on 20 rep squats coupled with heavy and light upper body work. He also advocated one special high nutrient drink called "get big drink" which you would have to drink throughout the day and which would help you build muscle mass (and of course a little bit of fat unfortunately).
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(07-04-2019 05:12 AM)H1N1 Wrote:  As your training age increases, I would say that the best thing you can do is find ways to get more out of lighter weights. Getting rid of my focus on moving more weight is the single best thing I've done for developing my size and strength. If I can get superior size and strength gains from lighter weights then that, in my view, is the very best way to proceed.

Completely co-signed for this. Checking my ego, and taking big weight off of all of my big compound lifts, has made a huge difference to my injury rate/recovery time as I get older. I've upped the rep range to compensate for the lower weight and haven't noticed any lost size at all. Its something I'd recommend to anyone approaching 30, or over it, who's been training for years.
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Leg drive is 100% about power lifting. Thinking about using your legs when trying to do a "chest" exercise for muscle development will do nothing for you. Furthermore, if you are focused on making your muscles larger, specifically your chest, the barbell bench press is not an efficient exercise. Do flies, or at least dumbell press as you can get more pectoral activation and isolation and less tricep and shoulders.

A lot of the "tricks" for lifting more weight have all to do with - well lifting more weight. If you are more concerned with muscle size and development then lifting weight shouldn't be your focus. Instead, doing movements with certain muscles/muscle groups with the proper resistance and form with good stretch and contraction to generate a hyper-trophic response should be your focus.

That said, you can do both in a sort of power-builder routine.

For general fitness and strength though, I swear by barbell movements. If I wanted to be bigger and look better though, I would change up my workouts to be more body-builder focused.
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