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Box jumps and sprints train the legs well if you can't access heavy weights.

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08-04-2019 11:06 AM
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(08-04-2019 03:54 AM)sterling_archer Wrote:  ^Can you build big legs with pistol squats? So here we are not overloading anything with weights.

Btw, have you guys ever thought about idea of producing hypertrophy by doing weighted calisthenics? So a program would be something of a full body without using barbells and dumbbells and just with an belt + plates hanging. How much is that program inferior to barbell/dumbbell training?

Sure, it's not only doable but a lot of people do it, to great effect, and have been doing it for years. Ross Enamait for instance.
I wouldn't say it's inferior at all and in some respects can be a lot better than barbells or dumbbells at making a nice athletic physique, particularly with upper body pulls.
08-04-2019 03:28 PM
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(08-04-2019 06:23 AM)Benoit Wrote:  
(08-03-2019 11:54 PM)afewgoodrats Wrote:  What are the thoughts on lifting weights and bodyweight vs bodyweight only. Here is why I don't lift weights:
- gym crowded, wait for equipment
- Don't want to get big, just gain some muscle and be healthy
- Don't want big legs/ass, bodyweight focuses on upper body(T-shape)

Spoken like someone who's never tried to "get big".

Unless you are genetically blessed or juiced up in some way, the only way you will ever end up hulked out is after years of dedicated, hard, consistent training.

It's just not realistic to think any normal muscular guy got that way by accident.

I didn't mean that you will get big easy, I just meant that if I don't want to gain a lot of muscle mass, then weights have no advantage over bodyweight only training.
08-04-2019 04:42 PM
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You can still get pretty big on bodyweight stuff, you'll just be top heavy.

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08-06-2019 04:38 AM
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(08-04-2019 04:42 PM)afewgoodrats Wrote:  
(08-04-2019 06:23 AM)Benoit Wrote:  
(08-03-2019 11:54 PM)afewgoodrats Wrote:  What are the thoughts on lifting weights and bodyweight vs bodyweight only. Here is why I don't lift weights:
- gym crowded, wait for equipment
- Don't want to get big, just gain some muscle and be healthy
- Don't want big legs/ass, bodyweight focuses on upper body(T-shape)

Spoken like someone who's never tried to "get big".

Unless you are genetically blessed or juiced up in some way, the only way you will ever end up hulked out is after years of dedicated, hard, consistent training.

It's just not realistic to think any normal muscular guy got that way by accident.

I didn't mean that you will get big easy, I just meant that if I don't want to gain a lot of muscle mass, then weights have no advantage over bodyweight only training.

Bands can be used for a lot of different bodyweight-only exercises. I mainly use them to warm up, but you could certainly tone up your legs without getting too much size from a a few different banded exercises.

[Image: 8-Level-Fitness-Resistance-Bands-Exercis...40x640.jpg]

Although I prefer longer bands like these (and similar exercises for non-weighted leg work). Try both types (they're really cheap).





Pistols are somewhat of an advanced movement (if you're going to depth without assistance). They could be useful once you've exhausted your potential with traditional air squats and assisted pistols. However, as others have mentioned, you're not likely to get the same type of bulk from these movements (banded exercises, pistols) as you can from the array of upper body bodyweight movements (even just pushups and pull-ups will likely pump you up more).

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08-06-2019 05:41 AM
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(08-06-2019 04:38 AM)Hannibal Wrote:  You can still get pretty big on bodyweight stuff, you'll just be top heavy.

Which is what 90% of guys want because it makes you attractive, instead of tree trunk legs and undeveloped upper body most beginner lifting programs produce. But apart from this...

If it is correct you can get pretty big (naturally!) on BW exercises, why don't we see people like that around us? Local street workout guys are brutally strong and very ripped with low fat and not too big muscle size (although, they are "beach ready"). What does it take to produce real muscle hypertrophy with BW exercises?
08-06-2019 12:52 PM
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Quote:If it is correct you can get pretty big (naturally!) on BW exercises, why don't we see people like that around us? Local street workout guys are brutally strong and very ripped with low fat and not too big muscle size (although, they are "beach ready"). What does it take to produce real muscle hypertrophy with BW exercises?

The requirements are the same - progressive overload. I imagine the difficulty is one of creativity - it’s much easier for the body to adapt to calisthenic stressors. As it should be, efficiency is a fundamental aspect of evolution.

With a lot of bodyweight practitioners, they reach some level and then focus on volume. This is where the diminishing returns set in - 50 pushups becomes 100 pushups becomes 150, etc. Rather, the athlete would be wise to progress to decline pushups, then uneven pushups, then one handed pushups, then one handed decline pushups. Similarly with pullups - though most have the mind to add weight, how many individuals do you see scraping their way to one handed chin-ups?
08-06-2019 02:11 PM
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What if you do pushups with fixed sets and reps, but with an backpack which gets filled with more weight each time? Or like I said before, doing any BW exercise instead in weighted configuration? Everything done always lets say 3x10 or whatever, but with weight loaded following linear progression or some other kind of progression?
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How many people go to the gym and aren't big? Probably 95% of gym goers? Same goes for the street workout stuff.

If you want to get good at bodyweight stuff, get a copy of building the gymnastic body and do the killroy70 template. Sure you can do pushups with a weight vest or whatever but focusing on planche pushups and dip variations are going to give you a lot more upper body strength and you wont be smashing the shit out of your joints with 300 pushup workouts.

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08-06-2019 09:34 PM
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I dont much care for the bodyweight stuff anymore because I'm too tall and my arms are too long. It's also discouraging to try to bulk on it, you end up getting "weaker" at the exercises even though you're moving more weight. As far as weighted dips and chins I just add up total weight instead of only what's on the dip belt.

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I don't care either for BW exercises as I am doing full body program by Casey Butt, which is a HLM based. But I like to read about various forms of training, including BW. I will check out that book just for curiosity.
08-07-2019 09:39 AM
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Restricting yourself to bodyweight-only exercises in order to get strong is like restricting yourself to only walking to get anywhere. I don't see the point of it unless you are allergic to lifting weights or something.
08-07-2019 10:40 AM
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On the verge of dumping convict conditioning and lifting. One question though, if I am not planning on eating a caloric surplus, can I still get stronger? I'm a skinny guy and don't want to track macros and stuff my face just to get something out of it.
08-08-2019 12:11 AM
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Can someone elaborate on static lifting please? So for instance, if I can squat 200 lbs. 1 rep max, would I load something like 250 lbs and just stand there for 7 seconds with my legs straight? I am planning on incorporating this with my bench and squats. Thanks guys.
08-08-2019 12:26 AM
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To afewgoodrats
You will get stronger if you lift on a maintenance level but it will be slow. If you lift on a deficit itll be even slower. My advice is to just eat plenty and lift, once you get fat just cut. If you dont want to get fat and still get stronger, start slamming a pound or two of meat a day.

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Static lifting is it's own kind of lifting. It only lends itself to about 15 degrees in either direction of the joint. So if you were to do static squat holes, your squat strength would continue to about a quarter down. Your mileage is better spent doing pause squats where you pause at the bottom. Same with bench. The disadvantaged position is where a static hold is best used.

Stone lifters of days past would pick up a lighter stone and pause throughout the lift in order to help them pick up larger stones.

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08-18-2019 09:19 AM
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