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RE: Lifter's Lounge
(11-27-2019 11:53 AM)afewgoodrats Wrote:  
(11-27-2019 02:27 AM)H1N1 Wrote:  You are over taxing your nervous system, going too hard, too often. Going to failure essentially means you are going until the point your nervous system is overwhelmed by the weight you are using. In bro terms, you are annihilating, not stimulating.

I experience this occasionally when I do heavy weights for high reps - it is a misjudgement, and a sign you should focus on stimulating the muscle with less weight, rather than drawing on your CNS reserves. Not all CNS's are created equal. Keep in mind that a lot of the people who end up training long term are guys who have a natural predisposition for lifting weights. Most of us hit walls in our strength and muscle growth long before these guys do. If you are an ordinary trainee, you cannot generally train in the way top coaches advise beyond your early 20s - the stresses and strains are just too great. The programming of a lot of coaches at high levels, and the strength standards that dominate the internet, are not realistic for the truly average trainee - they are realistic for the average trainee, with a pre-disposition for weightlifting, who also spends decades in the gym. Most people, who can and should still reap the extraordinary benefits of lifting weights, fall outside of this class and should have more modest, long term goals in my view.

There is no need to go to failure. There is no need to annihilate your body this way to make gains - in fact it is counter productive.

Yeah you're probably right. I've just always though that the most growth occurs during the last few struggled reps, that's why I always try to go to failure. Maybe a good idea would be to quit after you grind out that last rep that you really didn't think you could do.

There is no need to grind - indeed you should not be grinding, you are only setting yourself up for long term joint problems if you do that. You should be looking to go one rep short of failure, where failure is the inability to perform the movement with *perfect form*. At that point, you may still have 4 or 5 more reps in you if you were to allow yourself to move the weight with bad form/by any means necessary.

I would be very surprised if you have made much progress training the way you are - unless you are very young, the recovery demands are simply too high to build muscle and significant strength. As a natural trainee, quality of work is vastly superior to quantity (within reasonable limits, obviously).
11-27-2019 02:06 PM
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RE: Lifter's Lounge
(11-27-2019 02:06 PM)H1N1 Wrote:  
(11-27-2019 11:53 AM)afewgoodrats Wrote:  
(11-27-2019 02:27 AM)H1N1 Wrote:  You are over taxing your nervous system, going too hard, too often. Going to failure essentially means you are going until the point your nervous system is overwhelmed by the weight you are using. In bro terms, you are annihilating, not stimulating.

I experience this occasionally when I do heavy weights for high reps - it is a misjudgement, and a sign you should focus on stimulating the muscle with less weight, rather than drawing on your CNS reserves. Not all CNS's are created equal. Keep in mind that a lot of the people who end up training long term are guys who have a natural predisposition for lifting weights. Most of us hit walls in our strength and muscle growth long before these guys do. If you are an ordinary trainee, you cannot generally train in the way top coaches advise beyond your early 20s - the stresses and strains are just too great. The programming of a lot of coaches at high levels, and the strength standards that dominate the internet, are not realistic for the truly average trainee - they are realistic for the average trainee, with a pre-disposition for weightlifting, who also spends decades in the gym. Most people, who can and should still reap the extraordinary benefits of lifting weights, fall outside of this class and should have more modest, long term goals in my view.

There is no need to go to failure. There is no need to annihilate your body this way to make gains - in fact it is counter productive.

Yeah you're probably right. I've just always though that the most growth occurs during the last few struggled reps, that's why I always try to go to failure. Maybe a good idea would be to quit after you grind out that last rep that you really didn't think you could do.

There is no need to grind - indeed you should not be grinding, you are only setting yourself up for long term joint problems if you do that. You should be looking to go one rep short of failure, where failure is the inability to perform the movement with *perfect form*. At that point, you may still have 4 or 5 more reps in you if you were to allow yourself to move the weight with bad form/by any means necessary.

I would be very surprised if you have made much progress training the way you are - unless you are very young, the recovery demands are simply too high to build muscle and significant strength. As a natural trainee, quality of work is vastly superior to quantity (within reasonable limits, obviously).

I have only recently started training on cc with consistency. I have seen some gains, but I am early 20's and on newb gains so that is to be expected
11-27-2019 05:44 PM
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