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Anyone here ever work out twice a day? Same muscles each day? I've seen a lot of stuff on the Web, some who say it works amazingly well when done right, others say it's serious over training. Curious about real experiences and if it's worth trying.
10-30-2015 07:30 AM
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(10-30-2015 07:30 AM)_GQ_ Wrote:  Anyone here ever work out twice a day? Same muscles each day? I've seen a lot of stuff on the Web, some who say it works amazingly well when done right, others say it's serious over training. Curious about real experiences and if it's worth trying.


It is both excellent and disastrous, depending on your personal physiognomy and ability to recover, and those who say it is over training and those who say it is optimal are both correct. The question is, as you rightly identified it, is it worth trying? The answer is absolutely, yes, it is worth trying, even if it is over training for you.

Training is far more individual than most internet coaches and self-proclaimed experts would like you to believe. Of course, there are things that just work in terms of fundamental patterns of movements, but within that broad remit, what works for one person may not work for another.

I have made dramatic progress with strength and muscle gains over the past few months by eating less, eating less protein specifically, and switching to a bodyweight only (bar the odd bit of DB swings etc) gymnastics program. This is completely counter intuitive, and for a good reason - for many people this would not produce the results it has done for me. Without trying these things, you'll never know what is optimal for you, and you'll never make the kind of progress you could do without doing some experiments.

So yes, absolutely you should give 2x a day training a go, probably for 4-6 weeks at least. And then you should absolutely be prepared to discard it if it isn't working for you.
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I've been training at a MMA gym (boxing specifically). I see fighters train morning and night, same punching muscles. Nobody even stops to think about how that's overtraining... Even casual observers would think it's good for their sports.

Put a barbell into the equation and all of a sudden everyone hesitates to work hard. Big Grin

The key thing is that if your lifestyle allows it, training more frequently is always superior.

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Barbell work is way more taxing though.

I've been training half my life and a good session in the gym leaves me utterly drained for the rest of the day to the point of not really being able to adequately function.

Two sessions of martial arts per day? Not a problem.
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True, but if you were to train twice a day with barbell (which Olympic-level weightlifters do all the time) you would program the training so that you wouldn't smash yourself to bits after just one session. For example, one session could be with light weights for skill practice and speed work.

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(10-30-2015 10:38 PM)StrikeBack Wrote:  True, but if you were to train twice a day with barbell (which Olympic-level weightlifters do all the time) you would program the training so that you wouldn't smash yourself to bits after just one session. For example, one session could be with light weights for skill practice and speed work.

Good point.
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Thought I post this on here instead of the mma thread, size has always made a difference in my opinion. Imagine this guy knew how to fight.




(11-15-2014 09:06 AM)Little Dark Wrote:  This thread is not going in the direction I was hoping for.
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Anyone hade a smashed nose and had it reconstructed?

Mine wasn't smashed but I had septoplasty a few months back from constantly getting hit in face and I feel way better atleast cardio wise.
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Anyone have an ideal height/weight ratio for when to look the best.

I guess my question is what is the ideal weight for a given height for example I'm 5'5

(11-15-2014 09:06 AM)Little Dark Wrote:  This thread is not going in the direction I was hoping for.
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This might be what you're looking for.

http://www.the-philosopher.co.uk/humaes/greek.htm

It calculates your aesthetic proportions based on the Greek ideal.

edit: 1000 posts, wooo!

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That's actually a good question, as I don't think the forum will be able to agree on it. There are always arguments about getting big vs getting ripped.

I've been working out and learning as much as I can about health and fitness the last few years.

Training and lifting weights is easy. I find forcing more food into me really annoying and difficult. I hate doing it, I hate feeling sluggish, I hate eating anything that isn't healthy, I hate wasting my time eating my food when I could be do something I like doing. I'd rather go hungry, but I force myself to eat. I make sure to drink a couple of pints of milk and some days about 6 raw eggs to get the calories in. Even then it is difficult to get the calories I 'need'.

Right now I'm basically just eating about 2 big meals a day along with raw milk and raw eggs, running and doing pullups and dips every couple of days. I feel and look better than ever. I am pretty sure my lats and chest are growing and can feel from how sore I am that this extremely simple program is working.
I haven't touched a weight in months even though I have loads of dumbbells, a bench press, military press/squat rack and an easy curl bar just lying around not being used.
After weeks or months of heavy lifting and heavy eating and feeling bloated and sluggish. I always naturally slide back into natural eating and calisthenics, leaving more time to live my life.

I also decided fuck getting big, I'm 5,6 so whats the point? I'll just look fat. I'm just going to work on being a better athlete and build a lean, ripped physique instead.

Also after being sick on the football pitch twice in one game and having to go off I decided my cardiovascular health is shit and I need to work on it.
It's annoying as fuck, I just want to play football, I don't care what level, just as long as I play. After two years of never making it into the first team, I quit and joined a team of my school friends the division below.
It was great for a few weeks, I scored, I played much better than I ever did on the last team. But they have too many players and after I was sick, they aren't too interested in letting me know when and where their games are on, so I've taken the hint and moved on.

So anyway, I was feeling pretty good about the calisthenics, running and moderate amounts of healthy food, UNTIL I saw AnonymousBoshs post about how getting big has helped get girls, and that whole thread about weightlifting and its returns with girls.

Then later on today, I read a post by good looking loser about how getting big gets you compliments from guys but getting ripped gets you compliments from girls. He says he looks better at 200 pounds compared to 225.

So now I am just confused, not sure what path to take and I would like an answer to your question as well.
11-04-2015 01:16 PM
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(11-04-2015 01:16 PM)RedPillUK Wrote:  That's actually a good question, as I don't think the forum will be able to agree on it. There are always arguments about getting big vs getting ripped.

I've been working out and learning as much as I can about health and fitness the last few years.

Training and lifting weights is easy. I find forcing more food into me really annoying and difficult. I hate doing it, I hate feeling sluggish, I hate eating anything that isn't healthy, I hate wasting my time eating my food when I could be do something I like doing. I'd rather go hungry, but I force myself to eat. I make sure to drink a couple of pints of milk and some days about 6 raw eggs to get the calories in. Even then it is difficult to get the calories I 'need'.

Right now I'm basically just eating about 2 big meals a day along with raw milk and raw eggs, running and doing pullups and dips every couple of days. I feel and look better than ever. I am pretty sure my lats and chest are growing and can feel from how sore I am that this extremely simple program is working.
I haven't touched a weight in months even though I have loads of dumbbells, a bench press, military press/squat rack and an easy curl bar just lying around not being used.
After weeks or months of heavy lifting and heavy eating and feeling bloated and sluggish. I always naturally slide back into natural eating and calisthenics, leaving more time to live my life.

I also decided fuck getting big, I'm 5,6 so whats the point? I'll just look fat. I'm just going to work on being a better athlete and build a lean, ripped physique instead.

Also after being sick on the football pitch twice in one game and having to go off I decided my cardiovascular health is shit and I need to work on it.
It's annoying as fuck, I just want to play football, I don't care what level, just as long as I play. After two years of never making it into the first team, I quit and joined a team of my school friends the division below.
It was great for a few weeks, I scored, I played much better than I ever did on the last team. But they have too many players and after I was sick, they aren't too interested in letting me know when and where their games are on, so I've taken the hint and moved on.

So anyway, I was feeling pretty good about the calisthenics, running and moderate amounts of healthy food, UNTIL I saw AnonymousBoshs post about how getting big has helped get girls, and that whole thread about weightlifting and its returns with girls.

Then later on today, I read a post by good looking loser about how getting big gets you compliments from guys but getting ripped gets you compliments from girls. He says he looks better at 200 pounds compared to 225.

So now I am just confused, not sure what path to take and I would like an answer to your question as well.

Fellow Briton checking in, I just have that urge for football in my blood too, even though I would probably have a better physique without it (injuries and sprains and strains from matches, would have more time for weight training if I didn't have football training).

I saw the Good Looking Loser post too. I think what he is trying to emphasise is that a dirty bulk-esque physique like this:[Image: 14sdqut.jpg]
will get you more 'bro points' than female attention.

Whereas a physique like this will get you more female attention: [Image: UlMgCGvMDsBEWujHWtcRAHYUOJEMpJCiKveA-610xh.jpg]

(neither image is of me by the way)
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(11-04-2015 12:50 PM)Hannibal Wrote:  This might be what you're looking for.

http://www.the-philosopher.co.uk/humaes/greek.htm

It calculates your aesthetic proportions based on the Greek ideal.

edit: 1000 posts, wooo!

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The measurements on this site are kind of skew, I don't understand the whole calculating by wrist size thing

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(11-04-2015 01:16 PM)RedPillUK Wrote:  So now I am just confused, not sure what path to take and I would like an answer to your question as well.

Bosch is a tall man (6'3" or more, I think), so he can reach that weight and still be muscular and lean.

You're about my height (I'm 170cm), you shouldn't be that heavy. But proportionally, you can be similarly well built.

If you're not sure what to do, focus on strength and fitness. Get stronger and fitter. Form will follow function, you will look better.

Go get yourself a DEXA scan. I guarantee when you're down to 12% or below on the DEXA, you will be checked out and complimented a lot by girls (and unfortunately a lot of gay guys as well).

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Thanks Britchard and StrikeBack.

That picture sums it up really. Even though some people still might argue they'd prefer to have the less attractive physique of the first guy because you can see he has big arms no matter what he wears. The other guy has to lift his shirt up to show off his physique. They might just be trying to make excuses not to diet though.

A DEXA scan? and how am I going to convince a doctor to give me an appointment for that? I've seen what it's like, you wait around for hours for an appointment booked months ago, only for the doctor to tell you you're just fine and you don't need anything. They don't like a young healthy person coming in and wasting their time. They have their hands full treating the same old ladies with their 15 medications every day. I wonder how bad it will get when this country increases by 10 million people soon.

I now avoid it at all costs.

I'm probably around 12% body fat anyway. I have been called skinny a long time ago at school, but I now look average or normal in clothes. I weigh 9 and a half stone.

Is there an easier way to tell? Can't I just post a picture of my abs on here as well? Haha
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Here in Australia you can pay certain clinics (usually sport related) between $33 and $80 per DEXA scan. No need to convince any doctor. Do a search first, I dont think itś that complicated like you said.

If youŕe really 12% on the DEXA, you should be close to being as lean as the 2nd guy.

THe scan isnt really to tell you what % though, but it should tell you how many kg of fat you have, and the distribution over your body. Same with muscle mass. You can then plan your cut or bulk accordingly. Else youĺl be shooting blind.

I don´t need to lift my shirt off to show off anything these days. I just need to wear nice form fitting clothes. It looks obvious that I lift, especially that I have big shoulders which stick out and get complimented on a lot.

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(11-04-2015 04:23 PM)britchard Wrote:  I saw the Good Looking Loser post too. I think what he is trying to emphasise is that a dirty bulk-esque physique like this:[Image: 14sdqut.jpg]
will get you more 'bro points' than female attention.
(neither image is of me by the way)

That guys build will actually generate a boat load of female attention. With the right clothing he would just look big period.

That build in most scenario's [Outside the beach] would actually trump any lean, ripped sports persons build [Purely because they would look too skinny in clothing].

Of course with that first image once they cut they will have the best of both worlds.
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(11-05-2015 08:10 AM)StrikeBack Wrote:  Here in Australia you can pay certain clinics (usually sport related) between $33 and $80 per DEXA scan. No need to convince any doctor. Do a search first, I dont think itś that complicated like you said.

I've looked into costs before - It's about £100 for a private DEXA scan in the UK.

That's a big chunk of cash if you want to get semi-regular progress updates.

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You guys may enjoy this:



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(11-05-2015 02:47 PM)LeBeau Wrote:  You guys may enjoy this:




Jesus Christ that is a beast of a workout. Wow.
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Klokov is a beast of a man.

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(11-05-2015 10:24 AM)Benoit Wrote:  I've looked into costs before - It's about £100 for a private DEXA scan in the UK.

That's a big chunk of cash if you want to get semi-regular progress updates.

Wow I wonder why it's so expensive there? The procedure is really simple, and the machine isn't that expensive. I use a private one which is only $33 per scan, but most football clubs here have a clinic to perform it, and they allow other sport clubs (like my lifting club) to make use of it too at a discount.

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(11-05-2015 11:30 PM)StrikeBack Wrote:  Wow I wonder why it's so expensive there? The procedure is really simple, and the machine isn't that expensive. I use a private one which is only $33 per scan, but most football clubs here have a clinic to perform it, and they allow other sport clubs (like my lifting club) to make use of it too at a discount.

I believe it's treated as a medical procedure because of the radiation, which means even for body composition reasons it requires a doctor's referral.

When you go private you're paying for someone to sign off on a generic reason why it's 'medically necessary'.

Some university departments have their own DEXA machines but getting access is hard. Clinics in cheap flight destinations across Europe might be an option, but I haven't dug into that yet.

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(10-30-2015 07:30 AM)_GQ_ Wrote:  Anyone here ever work out twice a day? Same muscles each day? I've seen a lot of stuff on the Web, some who say it works amazingly well when done right, others say it's serious over training. Curious about real experiences and if it's worth trying.

On days that I go to the gym and I always squat up to 245lbs in addition to upper body work I then run a 5K outdoors about a half our later, that's the time it takes me to get to the park from the gym.
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