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(12-12-2018 02:45 PM)sterling_archer Wrote:  I agree with your whole post and my question about these routines is purely curiosity but I heard the same regarding steroid use in WWII era. At the same time it is countered by argument that steroids were weaker then and used exclusively for therapy. Seems like it was a decade later when bodybuilders "got idea" to use them actually.

Its a pretty interesting history actually, they've been in use for a lot longer than most people think. Test was first artificially synthesized in 1935. It was first mentioned in a bodybuilding/weightlifting magazine in the US in 1938. The Nazis experimented a bit with it during the war, but proper athletic testing was pretty much put on hold until after the war because there were no major athletic events in Europe.

It gets a bit murky for the next few years (as far as I'm aware) but by 1954 the Soviet athletes in the World Weightlifting Championships that year were on all kinds of gear, and had been for a few years. So steroids were definitely widely in use for weightlifting/bodybuilding by the early 1950s.

Schwarzenegger was only born in 1947 so by the time he was getting seriously into the sport they were rife (and he was very clearly on them). Colbert was born in 1933 and Eiferman was 1925, and both to my eyes look very much like they were on them too - but its hard to get accurately dated pictures, so they mightn't have been early on. Vince Gironda is the only one of the guys named in the article who was possibly natty given his age (born 1917) and how he looks in pictures (his lack of the give away upper traps is a big one). But theres no way to know for sure.

(12-12-2018 04:32 PM)General Stalin Wrote:  Why skeptical about hitting same muscle groups every other day? The body does not need as much recovery as you think... unless maybe you're training extreme and leave it all on the gym floor every workout. If you're working within 95%+ I would recommend taking a few days in between working those same areas again, but hell I train bench press and all related accessories every other day and it works just fine. as long as you aren't destroying yourself every workout then 48 hours is plenty of rest to hit those workouts again.

It depends on your age, workout intensity, diet/sleep, and chemical assistance but 3 days is generally recommended as the minimum for natties in any studies I've seen, or workout programs I've been prescribed, for recovery from a reasonably intense weightlifting session. For some of the 50+ set workouts in that article 48 hours would definitely be way, way too short.
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Sheiko powerlifting book has finally been translated into English (properly and officially), with some new programs and chapters he wrote recently. I'm going to get it Smile

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(12-12-2018 05:41 PM)zatara Wrote:  Vince Gironda is the only one of the guys named in the article who was possibly natty given his age (born 1917) and how he looks in pictures (his lack of the give away upper traps is a big one). But theres no way to know for sure.

Vince Gironda! The 'Iron Guru'! I used to read his column every month in 'Musclemag' in the late 80's/early 90/s. At the time, me being an arrogant teen I just thought of him as a cranky old man who hated Squats, Bench Presses, trap work and situps.

But I gradually came to appreciate him more as I got older. Whatever people thought of him, they always read his column first like I did. I remember a particular interview he gave with one poor bodybuilding journalist where he (Gironda) absolutely destroyed him! Wish I could find a transcript of it.

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