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Toni, what are your thoughts on feminist ideology? You appear to put signicant stock in the ability of a female to dictate your life.

Everyone prioritizes differantly; but at the moment this conversation is the very definition of a strawman argument. My opinion is x. Your opinion is y. Data is irrelevant. It could almost be construed as feminine, especially considering the abundance of opinion and a seeming presence of bitterness.
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(08-21-2014 09:53 PM)Rush87 Wrote:  Toni, what are your thoughts on feminist ideology? You appear to put signicant stock in the ability of a female to dictate your life.

Everyone prioritizes differantly; but at the moment this conversation is the very definition of a strawman argument. My opinion is x. Your opinion is y. Data is irrelevant. It could almost be construed as feminine, especially considering the abundance of opinion and a seeming presence of bitterness.

So you disagree with my approximations of probability?
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(08-21-2014 09:46 PM)RawGod Wrote:  Northern beaches girls: tall, blonde helped by the hairdresser, tan on the way to giving them wrinkles by 25, hot body but the start of a paunch. "Sophistication" means talking referring to glasses of wine in the plural as "wines" i.e. "I only had 3 wines last night". Well-travelled, been to Europe and Bali. Has been plowed by one or more famous footballers. Lives on daddy's money. Mentioning any famous writer, composer or thinker from western history to her is the kiss of death.

That's the top tier girl in Australia.

Yep pretty much.

Australia doesn't breed intelligent women for a variety of different reasons.

1) We live in a time where capitalism has evolved our entertainment industry such that it has a direct chemical relationship with our brains. Watching jersey shore for the 17 year old is more chemically rewarding than reading Tolstoy.

While FSU countries have been subjected to harsh economics, iron curtain, their lack of entertainment has ensured a generation of women who value culture, art, history over the orgy pordgie.

2) Australian women do not need to compete. Intelligence and being cultured isn't of value to them because they do not need it to attract men. Even Polish girls know that if they do not understand some basics about history, art, culture they will certainly suffer from a lack of a competitive advantage to their female counterparts.

3) Australia's anti-intelligent laidback culture.

4) Cold weather countries often induce months of introverted indoor poetry reading,
Self-reflection, and philosophical inquisitions. IF you're in hyper social summer locations you're simply moving with the momentum of collective thought, rather than pursuing some form of individual self-determination.

5) The complete lack of history and an indifference towards history in general.

There's probably more reasons, but these are the main ones.
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Regarding women? Of course not. I would dispute your 0.001% figure.

Regarding men? I wouldn't dispute this either. The generalizations however? Yes I would dispute that.

I think your overall consensus is spot on, but the numbers you rationalize into that consensus are skewed.
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(08-21-2014 10:03 PM)Rush87 Wrote:  Regarding women? Of course not. I would dispute your 0.001% figure.

Regarding men? I wouldn't dispute this either. The generalizations however? Yes I would dispute that.

I think your overall consensus is spot on, but the numbers you rationalize into that consensus are skewed.
0.01%

It's fairly simple. A Ukranian 9, for me, represents the top 3% of Ukranian talent.
0.01% is basically 1 in 1000. I would say that is a fairly reasonable statement, that in the 18-25 year old cohort, only 0.01% of Australian girlswill have roughly the same genetic spec as a top 3% Ukranian. This is a fair statement.

And even if she does meet the physical qualities, it will be extremely unlikely she matches the further criteria I've put forth. There's always a compromise when it comes to Ukraine and other specific places in Europe...and that's something you're not willing to admit. I even live in a Slavic country, in the capital, and I realise the women here wont be as smart or beautiful as Ukranian women no matter how high I go up in the game.

It could even be argued that someone in Washington DC has similar access to such woman, or someone in Toronto has the same, but at the end of the day, it's retarded to consider these places as good places for males to live.

Even if you're a millionaire with exclusive connections, it would be foolish to live in Australia for its nice weather, nature, beaches and houses on the canal system.

Most Rich europeans I know spend X amount of time in one country, the other portion of their time in the riviera and so forth. It's not a static location. Convincing yourself that Melbourne is the most liveable place in the world according to some GQ article is extremely stupid.

For luxury living Europe cannot be beat.
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(08-21-2014 02:02 PM)DaveR Wrote:  I suspect those who migrate to Australia for economic reasons are from low-middle income backgrounds to begin with, because the tax structure for individuals above the 100k Euro per annum mark, and for corporations, is certainly not attractive when compared to the US, various Asian growth markets, Eastern Europe, etc.

Nope, the opposite in fact. Australia is a dumping ground for Asia's well-off and well-educated. British migrants from colonial times till now disproportionately come from London and the Home Counties, which are the wealthiest parts of the U.K. The Sydney and Melbourne suburbs with the highest % of British immigrants are some of the wealthiest in the entire country. Most of the young continental Europeans and even American's I've met here the last few years have at least a Bachelor's degree. Australia benefits heavily from other countries brain drain.

(08-21-2014 09:39 PM)StrikeBack Wrote:  Are we arguing about how much Aussie girls suck and how much Aussie guys don't know how much Aussie girls truly suck?

I'm confused.

This.

(08-21-2014 09:46 PM)RawGod Wrote:  Northern beaches girls:

Surprised you'd pick the Northern beaches, over the Sydney's Eastern suburbs and Lower North Shore.
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Is this the crux of the argument? I would put the numbers slightly higher than that - perhaps 5 in 1000. In any case, a figure of 1 in 1000 doesn't bother me.

Standard of living is also highly indivual in nature. Certain national attributes for many will outweigh the proportion of feminine females. This is even more applicable when you add in friends, family & the ability to travel anywhere in under a day.

Re Melbourne: I could never live there.
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(08-21-2014 09:02 PM)Rush87 Wrote:  Upon graduation I spent a semester at Baylor University before returning to Sydney University (Home to some of the most beautifully feminine females you could meet) for the next two years. I finished my degree (Cinema) at NYU (Age 21) and discovered the harsh nature of the industry.

In your data sheet on Sydney, you noted that young Australian women changed significantly after the advent of social media. I suppose it's possible that you are taking a nostalgic view, where as Tony is providing today's reality.



(08-21-2014 10:31 PM)Deluge Wrote:  
(08-21-2014 02:02 PM)DaveR Wrote:  I suspect those who migrate to Australia for economic reasons are from low-middle income backgrounds to begin with, because the tax structure for individuals above the 100k Euro per annum mark, and for corporations, is certainly not attractive when compared to the US, various Asian growth markets, Eastern Europe, etc.

Nope, the opposite in fact. Australia is a dumping ground for Asia's well-off and well-educated. British migrants from colonial times till now disproportionately come from London and the Home Counties, which are the wealthiest parts of the U.K. Most of the young continental Europeans and even American's I've met here the last few years have at least a Bachelor's degree. Australia benefits heavily from other countries brain drain.

The question was related to income, not education. Fresh graduates are among the poorest social groups in the United States, mainly due to college debt, and much of Europe is in recession, giving more reason to seek employment in a country with a highly socialised wage structure. In any case, fresh graduates are rarely ever in the high-income brackets.

As for the British, you will find that the vast majority were assisted immigrants and certainly were not wealthy. Being from the Home Counties or London today does not make one wealthy by any stretch.
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I think it's just a case of two variations of the same argument. One a little more extreme due to a bad experience.

A significant proportion of men don't realise how bad Australian women are on average.

We can't generalise the entire population
however.

Feminine women do exist as do the cultured male. A small sample size is present on this very site.

Re: Education - One of my biggest gripes with Australia has been the decreasing ease of entry into University. What this has done however is increase the general knowledge of Australian men & women on a basic level whilst diminishing the relevance of a degree.

Despite the fact that knowledge of Nietzsche, Tarkovsky, Kurosawa etc have little relevance to intelligence, I would also add that I am readily able to find women more educated in Sydney than the Ukraine for example (Considering the Economic status of Australia this shouldn't be a surprise either).

Of course if I wanted to discuss any niche topic I would seek out specific groups rather than looking for these attributes in someone I want to 'bang'.
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(08-21-2014 10:39 PM)Rush87 Wrote:  Re Melbourne: I could never live there.

Really? We're a bit like Sydney except with much more culture and sport happening. Tongue

(08-21-2014 11:53 PM)Rush87 Wrote:  A significant proportion of men don't realise how bad Australian women are on average.

We can't generalise the entire population
however.

Feminine women do exist as do the cultured male. A small sample size is present on this very site.

Rush, I don't think anyone's denying that local, feminine women exist here, in any numbers. If anything, something tells me that you need to get to them before they have LTR'd or shot through for greener pastures.

To believe that they are the norm, though, or that you can find them in significant pockets here, is rather misleading.

(08-21-2014 11:53 PM)Rush87 Wrote:  Re: Education - One of my biggest gripes with Australia has been the decreasing ease of entry into University. What this has done however is increase the general knowledge of Australian men & women on a basic level whilst diminishing the relevance of a degree.

Do you mean increasing ease of entry into university? Like you just proved your point -- the inflation of higher education here means that 3 years of tertiary study here is no longer much of an indicator of critical intelligence. Neither does it correlate to communicative articulacy or well-versatility by any means. Rather, it conflates the entitlement and expectations of a Western suburbs kid who might've gotten an average ENTER to believe that they're entitled to walk into a Paris-end Collins St office gig armed with their BBus from a middle-tier uni.

Granted, in northern Europe, everyone and their dog goes on to some form of tertiary study, people do actually see a net value in culture and worldliness vis-à-vis their field of study/work. Being well-read and cultured isn't something for toffs and poofters as it is here.

(08-21-2014 11:53 PM)Rush87 Wrote:  Despite the fact that knowledge of Nietzsche, Tarkovsky, Kurosawa etc have little relevance to intelligence, I would also add that I am readily able to find women more educated in Sydney than the Ukraine for example (Considering the Economic status of Australia this shouldn't be a surprise either).

Of course if I wanted to discuss any niche topic I would seek out specific groups rather than looking for these attributes in someone I want to 'bang'.

As I explained above. Sure, a Sydney chick with a Bachelor of Commerce from Macquarie Uni will be considered "educated" in the empirical sense, but does that necessarily mean she can, or for that matter, cares about discussing Tolstoy or watching and appreciating The Nutcracker Suite?

It's again, a mistake to think one's level of education determines their being well-read in various pursuits.
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I think I was very clear in explaining that beautiful feminine women aren't the norm. My point which you appear to agree with is the notion talking 'extremes' is particularly misleading.

I believe you can codemn a nations flaws whilst retaining some objectivity.

Re education: My point wasn't intended to debate 'intelligence' levels. This is virtually impossible & relatively pointless. My point was that if you so choose to discuss the fine arts, a significant proportion of the population will be
able to do so. Whether they want to is a different story altogether.

In any case, more often than not, unless someone has spent significant time studying the topic the conversation will typically be
surface level pseudo intellectual nonsense
(And this is universal). One would be far better
off seeking out specific interest groups to discuss the topic (If you so desire).

Re Melbourne: I'm probably being a bit harsh.
A small component of my family is incredibly
left wing & they have a field day down there. It
has never seemed to great to me lol.
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Australia is a dumping ground for some of the lowest class Europeans imaginable.

Females with low social value in Europe travel to Australia as a 'trip of a life time', and most of them end up staying.
My old man works for the government and he tells me that roughly twice as many scandinavian and german girls renew their working holiday visa compared to their own men.

The indications are obvious. You ask them why they're here and they can list countless reasons, but most will not give reason for the truth: Higher social value. Sex tourism isn't classically defined as going to a place where you can get sex, but it's about going to a place where your status in that place is extremely exaggerated compared to your universal social value.

A german 4/10 who gets spat at in Munich would experience such exaggerations upon entering Australia.

It has even become a joke among myself and my European female friends who tell me about the ridiculous amount of approaches they receive from Australian males. At first they were receptive and friendly to it, now it goes directly to the spam filter, and they're learning the key defense mechanisms that Australian girls often use.

In a way, the spam is 'Australianizing' them, much more than any puritan or feminist ideology.

On the other hand, sophisticated well educated men from Switzerland, Scandinavia and London have ambitions of going there and have a crack at 'Surfer babes'. But most have the intelligence to leave the place.
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(08-21-2014 10:52 PM)DaveR Wrote:  
(08-21-2014 09:02 PM)Rush87 Wrote:  Upon graduation I spent a semester at Baylor University before returning to Sydney University (Home to some of the most beautifully feminine females you could meet) for the next two years. I finished my degree (Cinema) at NYU (Age 21) and discovered the harsh nature of the industry.

In your data sheet on Sydney, you noted that young Australian women changed significantly after the advent of social media. I suppose it's possible that you are taking a nostalgic view, where as Tony is providing today's reality.



(08-21-2014 10:31 PM)Deluge Wrote:  
(08-21-2014 02:02 PM)DaveR Wrote:  I suspect those who migrate to Australia for economic reasons are from low-middle income backgrounds to begin with, because the tax structure for individuals above the 100k Euro per annum mark, and for corporations, is certainly not attractive when compared to the US, various Asian growth markets, Eastern Europe, etc.

Nope, the opposite in fact. Australia is a dumping ground for Asia's well-off and well-educated. British migrants from colonial times till now disproportionately come from London and the Home Counties, which are the wealthiest parts of the U.K. Most of the young continental Europeans and even American's I've met here the last few years have at least a Bachelor's degree. Australia benefits heavily from other countries brain drain.

The question was related to income, not education. Fresh graduates are among the poorest social groups in the United States, mainly due to college debt, and much of Europe is in recession, giving more reason to seek employment in a country with a highly socialised wage structure. In any case, fresh graduates are rarely ever in the high-income brackets.

As for the British, you will find that the vast majority were assisted immigrants and certainly were not wealthy. Being from the Home Counties or London today does not make one wealthy by any stretch.

Why do you assume I was only talking about recent graduates? Post war assisted migrants were but 1 phase of British migration to Australia, and all Britons qualified for free passage not just the poor. Still today 5% of the population was born in the U.K, over 10% in W.A and even higher in capital cities. Take a look at census data, the strongest concentrations of British born in Sydney and Melbourne today is in places like Mosman and Brighton.

Pom's are in blue. Good luck finding a 4 bedroom for less than $2 million in the deep blue suburbs.

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(08-22-2014 01:03 AM)Rush87 Wrote:  I think I was very clear in explaining that beautiful feminine women aren't the norm. My point which you appear to agree with is the notion talking 'extremes' is particularly misleading.

I believe you can codemn a nations flaws whilst retaining some objectivity.

Re education: My point wasn't intended to debate 'intelligence' levels. This is virtually impossible & relatively pointless. My point was that if you so choose to discuss the fine arts, a significant proportion of the population will be
able to do so. Whether they want to is a different story altogether.

In any case, more often than not, unless someone has spent significant time studying the topic the conversation will typically be
surface level pseudo intellectual nonsense
(And this is universal). One would be far better
off seeking out specific interest groups to discuss the topic (If you so desire).

Re Melbourne: I'm probably being a bit harsh.
A small component of my family is incredibly
left wing & they have a field day down there. It
has never seemed to great to me lol.

By your alias you appear to be around 27/28.

A few things:
- It seems you've come to the conclusions about where you want to be due to the pivotal moment in age where most Australians get married.
- It also seems that you have brought family into the equation.
- I can tell you that your constructions of desire is based heavily under the ideology you have been taught since a child. I was taught the same thing.
- Australians believe about 'playing the game, getting your numbers up, and when you hit 26 it's time to move on to Stacey'.
- In Europe, it works differently. At 26, you get your card to properly use the game to your advantage. It's why Stureplan has mostly a 23+ entry issue with most of the top nightclubs because they want people to spend money.
- Australian luxury does not match European luxury, period. Australia is filled with people who earn 100k-200k, but there are very few people with extreme Baller cash like London and America. So for the potential for venues, locations, restaurants is a lot higher. Name one place in Australia that's close to 'Rasputin' in Paris?

- You state that you can travel anywhere in the world under a day? Mate, this is a huge exaggeration. Being in Australia makes it fairly difficult for travel. At most Full-time working Australians do 2 months of travel. The 30 hr flight to Europe is not a decision one can make a decision over a few days prior to travelling. This is why Europe is so advantageous because at any given moment I could be in Spain, where as for the most part you'll be reduced to NZ, Thailand etc.. all of which won't be arbitrary decisions -- all of which Australians will have to look at their work situation to see if they can time off from being a slave.

- If you really are making location independent money, why not move to the South of France? What do you need in Australia that the South of France doesn't have apart from Family?
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(08-21-2014 06:52 AM)Deluge Wrote:  
(08-21-2014 05:56 AM)tonipepperoni Wrote:  It isn't healthy. You need a certain level of anguish to get out of a place like Australia. If you look at Rooshv's writing he writes with a certain level of cognitive dissonance about his opportunities in Washington DC.

Sure, but the vast majority will never expatriate though, even RVF guys. And most guys who do go primarily for career reasons (and even they go disproportionately to the U.K). My point is you can either make the most of a bad situation or you can leave, or do the former while gearing up to do the later.

The problem is most guys are doing neither.

To be successful at game i.e. get a new attractive feminine notch monthly is more difficult than actually leaving and finding a better life elsewhere.

You only have your youth to lose by being in Australia.
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I don't really like Western Europe. I like Scandanavia. I like some countries in Eastern Europe.

But luxury living? I could honestly care less. But the places I stay on airbanb normally have funky art on the walls.

I honestly don't care about most of european culture. Traditional Chinese culture is more interesting to me and many of my contempories than european culture.

If I was just living as a hoighty toighty consumer, then perhaps europe would be better.

I generally prefer Southern Hemisphere countries where the going is fresh, and the people are warmer and LESS in their heads (as if the head was the only factor involved in life!)

As much as I can diss Australia, I am not another "self hating Australian" for whom the grass is eminently greener and so much better - and gawd do they always go on and on about it!

And I think Australian women and Australian culture are fucking atrocious in so many ways, but also, it can be shaped, it can be transformed. Try transforming any of the european cultures, they are really quite rigid and stuck! Australia tends to look toward the future, rather than the past.

I think why Australian women are the way they are, is also to do with repressive anglo culture, and so many factors which prevent the individual from even beginning to reach their full potential. The tall poppy syndrome and general low cultural self confidence and the reasons for that, most don't even begin to address - as an example.

I think if that 10% of Australians who are overseas at any given time, stopped munching on that oh so green grass O/S and put some effort into making Australia what they wanted it to be, then the country would be completely different.

As it stands, most are consumers, and will take what they can get. And they will go wherever they are promised more carrots.
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(08-21-2014 09:46 PM)RawGod Wrote:  Northern beaches girls: tall, blonde helped by the hairdresser, tan on the way to giving them wrinkles by 25, hot body but the start of a paunch. "Sophistication" means talking referring to glasses of wine in the plural as "wines" i.e. "I only had 3 wines last night". Well-travelled, been to Europe and Bali. Has been plowed by one or more famous footballers. Lives on daddy's money. Mentioning any famous writer, composer or thinker from western history to her is the kiss of death.

That's the top tier girl in Australia.

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I'd add the binge drinking and long-ingrained casual sex culture here means that if she is slightly attractive, by 25 - unless she's hardcore into fitness or the daughter of an immigrant family - she'll:

- have a 1000 cock stare;

- be emotionally-hard, with no remaining trace of feminine innocence;

- be fighting a Gunt, (Gut+Cunt - FUPA or Pooch for those of you across the pond);

- have a noticeable bloat to her face;

- always overdo the makeup in direct relation to her fear of aging;

- have already hit the wall. Seriously, our girls age hard.

Also, I've toured this entire country enough on my bike to say this without any qualification whatsoever: the pickings outside any major city - unless you stumble across a European Backpacker or Asian Tourist - are almost non-existent, unless you have no standards. The vast majority are unfuckable slobs who make no effort with their appearance.

They're fucking morons. Even the educated ones. I gave up trying with them long ago, and generally present my IQ as being about 40 points lower than it is.

As bad as they were before, smart phones have made them even worse.
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Some are ugly while some are pretty.... But not all Australian women are ugly...
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I read Jean Baudrillard's book on America and can't help but feel that he was writing about Australia.

Quote:“…sense of futility that comes from doing anything merely to prove to yourself that you can do it: having a child, climbing a mountain, making some sexual conquest, committing suicide.
The marathon is a form of demonstrative suicide, suicide as advertising: it is running to show you are capable of getting every last drop of energy out of yourself, to prove it… to prove what? That you are capable of finishing. Graffiti carry the same message. They simply say: I’m so-and-so and I exist! They are free publicity for existence.
Do we continually have to prove to ourselves that we exist? A strange sign of weakness, harbinger of a new fanaticism for a faceless performance, endlessly self-evident.”

Quote:“America is the original version of modernity. We are the dubbed or subtitled version. America ducks the question of origins; it cultivates no origin or mythical authenticity; it has no past and no founding truth. Having known no primitive accumulation of time, it lives in a perpetual present.”

Quote:“Today...no performance can be without its control screen video...its goal is to be hooked up to itself...the mirror phase has given way to the video phase. What develops around the video or stereo culture is not a narcissistic imaginary, but an effect of frantic self-referentiality, a short-circuit which immediately hooks up like with like, and, in doing so, emphasizes their surface intensity and deeper meaninglessness.”

Quote:“This country is without hope. Even its garbage is clean, its trade lubricated, its traffic pacified. The latent, the lacteal, the lethal - life is so liquid, the signs and messages are so liquid, the bodies and the cars are so fluid, the hair so blond, and the soft technologies so luxuriant, that a European dreams of death and murder, of suicide motels, of orgies and cannibalism to counteract the perfection of the ocean, of the light, of that insane ease of life, to counteract the hyperreality of everything here.”
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(08-20-2014 12:51 PM)tonipepperoni Wrote:  If we were to compare life in Manhattan to life in Melbourne then you'd find that an Australian male with good pedigree in game would be able to score at 4-10 times the rate with the same talent or higher.
For London, depending on how much of a bogan he is, at least 2 times higher.

A mate I consider a Brother moved to Hamburg last October last year, partly for work, partly to get away from his bitch ex-wife. The job sends him around Europe and into England regularly. He's an exceptionally-fit man, late 30's, intensely-mean-looking, and we get along cause we never bullshit each other. Best wingman I've ever known.

We're yacking away and I'm saying he looks happier than I've ever seen him, and he says the work-life ratio is better over there, and the beautiful pussy 'just flows', though the girls tease him about him speaking 'book german'.

I said I was doing OK, and have landed some TV work, so my game options should improve.

He said "No, I mean it flows. The girls are stunning. I've fucked 170 girls in 10 months. Fuck TV off, fuck Australia off and get over here Bosch. You won't regret it."

Like I said, he's not a bullshitter. If he says he's fucked them, he did. I'm weighing up my options now, but, more and more, the guys on here advocating location-independence are convincing me, especially as I can live very cheaply and simply.
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(08-21-2014 10:12 PM)tonipepperoni Wrote:  It could even be argued that someone in Washington DC has similar access to such woman, or someone in Toronto has the same, but at the end of the day, it's retarded to consider these places as good places for males to live.

I think that this is a very important point.

Generally, for women (both for locals as well as those who have moved here), Australia is an incredible place to live. It is a highly developed country with a high quality of life, plenty of job opportunities, great landscape/weather and it is very safe.

Combined with these factors is the fact that the men here are generally good looking, are very often highly involved in sports and gym culture, and they usually have a decent amount of disposable income - it's a "penis paradise" for women, so to speak.

Women in Australia have everything they need, so they don't really have much incentive to make an effort to be feminine.

In terms of accessing beautiful women in Australia, especially the really attractive local girls, you really need to be in the top 1-2% of males. Thin and attractive women here do exist, but they are a rare commodity. In the large cities, especially Sydney and Melbourne, the guys have gotten some luck because a lot of FOB Asian girl have moved to these places and for the most part, they bring in a much higher level of attractiveness and femininity than the locals have.

Because of horrible sexual marketplace here, I am also planning on expatriating (I am hoping to move to somewhere in East Asia). I am in my mid 20s, and I'm feverishly working on my career/network in order to secure a location-independent source of income which will let me me do this (because of how things are going now, it appears that I will be able to ditch this place within a 2 - 4 year timeframe).
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(08-22-2014 03:28 AM)Biologist Wrote:  
(08-21-2014 10:12 PM)tonipepperoni Wrote:  It could even be argued that someone in Washington DC has similar access to such woman, or someone in Toronto has the same, but at the end of the day, it's retarded to consider these places as good places for males to live.

I think that this is a very important point.

Generally, for women (both for locals as well as those who have moved here), Australia is an incredible place to live. It is a highly developed country with a high quality of life, plenty of job opportunities, great landscape/weather and it is very safe.

Combined with these factors is the fact that the men here are generally good looking, are very often highly involved in sports and gym culture, and they usually have a decent amount of disposable income - it's a "penis paradise" for women, so to speak.

Women in Australia have everything they need, so they don't really have much incentive to make an effort to be feminine.

In terms of accessing beautiful women in Australia, especially the really attractive local girls, you really need to be in the top 1-2% of males. Thin and attractive women here do exist, but they are a rare commodity. In the large cities, especially Sydney and Melbourne, the guys have gotten some luck because a lot of FOB Asian girl have moved to these places and for the most part, they bring in a much higher level of attractiveness and femininity than the locals have.

Because of horrible sexual marketplace here, I am also planning on expatriating (I am hoping to move to somewhere in East Asia). I am in my mid 20s, and I'm feverishly working on my career/network in order to secure a location-independent source of income which will let me me do this (because of how things are going now, it appears that I will be able to ditch this place within a 2 - 4 year timeframe).

I would disagree with you. A friend and I have been discussing this topic regularly.

What makes a woman happy is a reasonably regulated lifestyle involving a central phallic figure and a provider who secures her lifestyle expectations.

In post modern societies which are technically advanced, lifestyle expectations have resulted in excessive desire: baller, yacht, bottles etc.

With technology, people begin to understand the limits of desire, there is more information, people gain an insight into exaggerated realities.

In big epicentres, cbds, cosmos, women are exposed to more men in a single day than their ancient ancestors would have experienced in a life time.

It's a continuous extrapolation of desire -- a roller coaster of emotions if you will.

50 years ago, most women would be happy with a chode with a well paying job and some children. Desire has evolved since then.

The cost of experiencing hedonism has also been made cheap.

If I were to define happiness I would say it is a transcendental belief -- something that is not achievable/possess-able in the material world. In ancient times this was considered 'heaven' or after-life and the 'belief in it'. Working towards it, 'being a good christian', and being content in moving towards it because you believe in it.
For Ayton Senna it was the spiritual experience of darting around the track and dancing with death.

Fucking alphas only induces trauma to women. Many Australian girls I've talked to have a dim nature to them. It's a bland look in their eye. They're completely drained from the roller coaster of hedonism they've been riding.

After a while, they realise that Brad the AFL Star was merely a 'fantasy', and eventually end up settling for Shane the traddie-chode whom she met at the BBQ.

The typical Australian girl rides the cock-carousel then diverts her trauma into doing therapeutic exercises: Bikram Yoga, power walks and so on around Albert Park. She is trying to rekindle the light that has been diminishing since Schoolies. It's rehab, effectively.

This is not happiness.
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(08-22-2014 03:28 AM)Biologist Wrote:  
(08-21-2014 10:12 PM)tonipepperoni Wrote:  It could even be argued that someone in Washington DC has similar access to such woman, or someone in Toronto has the same, but at the end of the day, it's retarded to consider these places as good places for males to live.

I think that this is a very important point.

Generally, for women (both for locals as well as those who have moved here), Australia is an incredible place to live. It is a highly developed country with a high quality of life, plenty of job opportunities, great landscape/weather and it is very safe.

Combined with these factors is the fact that the men here are generally good looking, are very often highly involved in sports and gym culture, and they usually have a decent amount of disposable income - it's a "penis paradise" for women, so to speak.

Women in Australia have everything they need, so they don't really have much incentive to make an effort to be feminine.

In terms of accessing beautiful women in Australia, especially the really attractive local girls, you really need to be in the top 1-2% of males. Thin and attractive women here do exist, but they are a rare commodity. In the large cities, especially Sydney and Melbourne, the guys have gotten some luck because a lot of FOB Asian girl have moved to these places and for the most part, they bring in a much higher level of attractiveness and femininity than the locals have.

Because of horrible sexual marketplace here, I am also planning on expatriating (I am hoping to move to somewhere in East Asia). I am in my mid 20s, and I'm feverishly working on my career/network in order to secure a location-independent source of income which will let me me do this (because of how things are going now, it appears that I will be able to ditch this place within a 2 - 4 year timeframe).

If you're taking the standard of living and quality of women as two separate factors, even in terms of the former, one can get complacent, happy with his lot.

I believe too in the idea that one needs to look past the rose-coloured blinkers that is the Australian delusion. This is something that even foreigners here for the semi-long term fall for, hook line and sinker.

I quote, the following, from acquaintances of mine: "This is truly a lucky country; you've got so many many opportunities to pursue here." (Singaporean family friend, uni student)

"Melbourne is a big fast city of sexual energy and marketing, and a huge drinking culture." (US backpacker)

"One thing I'm going to miss about this country is how easy it is to get laid...I don't even have to try." (English exchange student)

People do believe that this is a place you can make a name for yourself, kick goals.

For a young bloke in his mid-20s, starting out, it's a bit of a wake-up call insofar as what I want from my location -- assuming game and the quality of women were among your priorities.

Don't get me wrong -- I'm fully in agreement with what what mentioned earlier in the thread that location isn't a magic antidote to your game. I can vouch first-hand that you're not going to start banging overseas if you're not banging here.

Then again, I don't think Australia isn't conducive for game per se. It's not like fighting in Stalingrad, but it really pushes you to bring out your alpha. Maybe you'll have to recalibrate in terms of gaming in Europe, but you'll be whole lot more prepared for the better.

I'm not your 'typical Aussie bloke' -- all about VBs, V8 cars, footy and cricket with the boys, even if I have sporting interests. I could hit a niche here that doesn't pedestalise such guys and still find value overseas.
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(08-22-2014 04:31 AM)tonipepperoni Wrote:  I would disagree with you. A friend and I have been discussing this topic regularly.

What makes a woman happy is a reasonably regulated lifestyle involving a central phallic figure and a provider who secures her lifestyle expectations.

In post modern societies which are technically advanced, lifestyle expectations have resulted in excessive desire: baller, yacht, bottles etc.

With technology, people begin to understand the limits of desire, there is more information, people gain an insight into exaggerated realities.

In big epicentres, cbds, cosmos, women are exposed to more men in a single day than their ancient ancestors would have experienced in a life time.

It's a continuous extrapolation of desire -- a roller coaster of emotions if you will.

50 years ago, most women would be happy with a chode with a well paying job and some children. Desire has evolved since then.

The cost of experiencing hedonism has also been made cheap.

If I were to define happiness I would say it is a transcendental belief -- something that is not achievable/possess-able in the material world. In ancient times this was considered 'heaven' or after-life and the 'belief in it'. Working towards it, 'being a good christian', and being content in moving towards it because you believe in it.
For Ayton Senna it was the spiritual experience of darting around the track and dancing with death.

Fucking alphas only induces trauma to women. Many Australian girls I've talked to have a dim nature to them. It's a bland look in their eye. They're completely drained from the roller coaster of hedonism they've been riding.

After a while, they realise that Brad the AFL Star was merely a 'fantasy', and eventually end up settling for Shane the traddie-chode whom she met at the BBQ.

The typical Australian girl rides the cock-carousel then diverts her trauma into doing therapeutic exercises: Bikram Yoga, power walks and so on around Albert Park. She is trying to rekindle the light that has been diminishing since Schoolies. It's rehab, effectively.

This is not happiness.

Rehab or not, it's a fantasy I know some Aussie girls are happy to chase into their 30s. The reality of their shelf life, the wall, hasn't set in and and they're still intent on playing the field. Maybe it's an idea of chasing something they can't have yet. With a surplus of cock in any given city, why not?
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(08-22-2014 04:31 AM)tonipepperoni Wrote:  I would disagree with you. A friend and I have been discussing this topic regularly.

What makes a woman happy is a reasonably regulated lifestyle involving a central phallic figure and a provider who secures her lifestyle expectations.

In post modern societies which are technically advanced, lifestyle expectations have resulted in excessive desire: baller, yacht, bottles etc.

With technology, people begin to understand the limits of desire, there is more information, people gain an insight into exaggerated realities.

In big epicentres, cbds, cosmos, women are exposed to more men in a single day than their ancient ancestors would have experienced in a life time.

It's a continuous extrapolation of desire -- a roller coaster of emotions if you will.

50 years ago, most women would be happy with a chode with a well paying job and some children. Desire has evolved since then.

The cost of experiencing hedonism has also been made cheap.

If I were to define happiness I would say it is a transcendental belief -- something that is not achievable/possess-able in the material world. In ancient times this was considered 'heaven' or after-life and the 'belief in it'. Working towards it, 'being a good christian', and being content in moving towards it because you believe in it.
For Ayton Senna it was the spiritual experience of darting around the track and dancing with death.

Fucking alphas only induces trauma to women. Many Australian girls I've talked to have a dim nature to them. It's a bland look in their eye. They're completely drained from the roller coaster of hedonism they've been riding.

After a while, they realise that Brad the AFL Star was merely a 'fantasy', and eventually end up settling for Shane the traddie-chode whom she met at the BBQ.

The typical Australian girl rides the cock-carousel then diverts her trauma into doing therapeutic exercises: Bikram Yoga, power walks and so on around Albert Park. She is trying to rekindle the light that has been diminishing since Schoolies. It's rehab, effectively.

This is not happiness.

Rehab or not, it's a fantasy I know some Aussie girls are happy to chase into their 30s. The reality of their shelf life, the wall, hasn't set in and and they're still intent on playing the field. Maybe it's an idea of chasing something they can't have yet. With a surplus of cock in any given city, why not?

Happiness is a complex beast. But having access to hedonism isn't actually going to make you happy. It only gives the temporary illusion of happiness.

If I first entered pussy paradise, I would first have entered the 'transcendental experience', i.e. a higher spiritual feeling that almost feels like a revelation to me, upon seeing beautiful women, kissing them and fornicating with them.

But over time, these beautiful women who were once heavenly creatures, slowly become reduced to worldly objects and I am back in the 'World' i.e. no longer in euphoria.

In the same way, for a euro girl to be in australia and experience the cock-carousel and surfer-carousel in her first 6 months will result in a dramatic slow down and reclusive default to Australain-girl dating patterns and a repressive attitude towards sex.

The novelty is gone.

But unlike the Aussie guy in a FSU country, the EU girl in Australia suffered significant levels of heartbreak and sexual trauma, resulting in a damaged personality, ultimately looking to replenish her past existence and euphoria and ultimately cycling back to the 'Eat Pray Love' philosophy of:
1. Sexual experience with Brad.
2. After brad stops texting she realises the fantasy was a lie
3. sexual trauma
4. discussing the trauma over pinot griggio with her 4 glamourous SATC friends at a trendy Sydney bar, while being completely indifferent to the peacocking males who are fluttering their wings around them
5. replenishing her spirit via Western Buddhist philosophy, horoscopes, simple consumerisms of Louboutin shoes, bikram yoga on the weekends.. or, alternatively, expressing her trauma via tattoos, shit haircuts etc.
6. slowly building her ego, only to run the roller coaster again.

If you think this is happiness... well I don't know what to say to you.
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