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(10-22-2014 11:16 AM)Faust Wrote:  Seboist: Your links don't work. Have the pages been deleted or did you paste them incorrectly?

Fixed 'em.
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RE: #GamerGate thread (formerly "Zoe Quinn: Feminism, Game Journalims, and Corruption")
http://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/c...tion_with/

That group is 25% for 75% against ROK involvement with gamergate.
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(10-22-2014 11:28 AM)kbell Wrote:  http://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/c...tion_with/

That group is 25% for 75% against ROK involvement with gamergate.

I'm reading through the comments, ALOT of internal conflicts are within them.

They're even browsing articles, interesting how this all plays out.

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I would say that ultimately the left leaning elements are the big weak link with GG. These people don't seem to grasp with what we're dealing with here(it simply isn't a small group of media hacks colluding with each other) and likely won't be willing to take the fight beyond gaming(if it stays just there then we're just buying time until the leftists regroup and go after it again).
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RE: #GamerGate thread (formerly "Zoe Quinn: Feminism, Game Journalims, and Corruption")
Indeed. One problem I have noticed is that a lot of GamerGate is ultimately using the same frame as the Cultural Marxists - attacking them with many of the same labels. It thus reaffirms the power of those said labels that are the CM's biggest weapon and ultimately strengthens the religion of postmodernity they stem from. I do think we will see an upsurge in people digging deeper down the rabbit hole, but this is something to keep in mind and be on guard against.

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(10-22-2014 11:28 AM)kbell Wrote:  http://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/c...tion_with/

That group is 25% for 75% against ROK involvement with gamergate.

If these people think that RoK is "misogynist", they probably don't have any better reading comprehension than feminists.

While I could arguably say that no one on the planet loves women more than we do, at the very least we still care about them a lot more than your average short-haired tattooed monster, who is willing to destroy countless lives in order to promote their religion.

If they're not willing to understand RoK's platform a bit more thoroughly, it's their loss. Let them burn.

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(10-22-2014 11:28 AM)kbell Wrote:  http://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/c...tion_with/

That group is 25% for 75% against ROK involvement with gamergate.

If you think about it, without Gamergate most of these dudes would be the same whiny betas, manginas, and white knights, calling themselves male feminists and complaining about the friendzone. ROK is too much for them to process after a life of getting the blue pill beat into them.

Like Seboist said, they're just fighting for gaming. They don't want to fight anything more than that.
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(10-22-2014 12:10 PM)Deuce Anna Half Wrote:  If you think about it, without Gamergate most of these dudes would be the same whiny betas, manginas, and white knights, calling themselves male feminists and complaining about the friendzone. ROK is too much for them to process after a life of getting the blue pill beat into them.

Like Seboist said, they're just fighting for gaming. They don't want to fight anything more than that.

Correct. There is a large contingent that is rightly sick of the SJW bullshit, but only because it's in MUH GAMES!

This is not meant as a chastisement. The revolt against the infestation of Cultural Marxism in our society had to start somewhere, and I applaud them for that and doing what, thus far, no one else has been able to do, which is why we want to strengthen their revolt. But let's be honest, most of these people would be quiet and content if the SJWs and corruption weren't so brazen in a media they enjoy. They are not like the people in the Manosphere who have realized the corruption for quite some time and who have been in the trenches for years. If I had to guess, this would inversely correlate with the number of hours spent on video games.

There will be a contingent of GamerGaters that will dig deeper. They will take the red pill and attempt to become winners, as shown by some of the praise Danger & Play is getting from its new readers. Those people should be welcomed with open arms. Many others though will not pursue victory any further.

Reddit though is automatically suspect as a source in my eyes. We know the types that congregate there. I would be interested to see some other GamerGate hubs' response to Roosh's article. The guys I've talked to have been pretty positive, but I kind of knew that going in.

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Discovering the truth is rarely the result of a sudden epiphany. It was a step-by-step process for me.

Exposing them to "red pill" ideas, even if all don't agree with them right off the bat, plants a seed in their minds. When they see something in real life that reinforces what RoK writers have written about maybe they'll think back to that article they read and reevaluate their position.

As it is now, they're fighting a common enemy, so rallying and helping them give the bastards a drubbing is appropriate. While I don't care that much about video games, I hate the SJWs with a perfect hatred and despise them for trying to get involved in everything and ruin it.

Gamers haven't tried to destroy society.
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They have a point though. RoK has a lot of articles and opinions that are quite far out of the mainstream.

We at RoK love good women but can be pretty brutal in dissing the most hamsterific ones. Without a nuanced understanding it would be difficult to perceive that fact. Of course it doesn't help that we enjoy tuthmosis and forney articles that basically only exist to go viral due to hate reading.

Quote:Here's a realistic perspective. Every media outlet, even the few moderates out there will not take your articles seriously when you write for a blog that truly is anti woman/misogynistic. You can write a Pulitzer Prize worthy article, but your article willl be ignored because of posts like this. http://www.returnofkings.com/45334/5-rea...are-broken

I would suggest that the article has a header emphasizing the independent nature of the article and the fact that RoK is just sharing a platform for their movement.
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(10-22-2014 10:18 AM)Dr. Howard Wrote:  Whedon is a fantastic writer in my opinion. He's been able to add some depth to previously lacking comic book stories...albeit he's added the depth by adding much more personality to the female characters as the male ones were already well developed.

All of that being said he's essentially a comic book writer that looks weird and that is a good recipe for SJW type views. Don't discount all of his characters though. If firefly he did write 'saffron'...a damsel in distress that is really a black widow super slut...which is pretty much the embodiment of the kind of manipulative women written about on this forum. Which also got Christina Hendricks noticed.

I'd argue that Whedon's characters talk to draw attention that someone is writing their dialogue for them, and not like actual human beings; all speak with the same 'voice'; and ruined an entire generation of women by making them think snark, sarcasm, and endless pop culture references are 'funny'.

There's a reason why he formed a Cult Of Personality - his writing and direction is designed to take you out of the story and draw awareness to how 'clever' he is. He doesn't want you to think Buffy is cool, he wants you to be aware that Buffy is cool because he writes her that way. This is why Buffy was the first show where the writers became as adored as the actors.

Go somewhere snarky progressives hang out, like, say, The Onion Av Club and read the comments. You'll see the Children Of Whedon: the cloying, self-satisfied, circle jerk of smugness and self-applause for each snarky sentence typed.

The girl I was banging who was into Buffy *still* talks like a teenager who filters the world through references to the movies and tv shows she's watching, most of which I'm oblivious to. It's a bad look for a forty-year old woman.
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If you want to convert gamers you have to slowly challenge their beliefs. ROK is a bit much for someone who is firmly blue pill. Gamergate gives them some inspiration to look beyond the veil of political correctness. How do you lead them further without scaring away the cat? Here are some basic idea blurbs that might be less. I would right them, but I don't feel confident in my long form writing as of yet. I'm working on it.

Perhaps showing that true misogyny is what feminism practices.

That certain video game tropes such as the super powered female are not realistic, and promote a inflated ego in women.

Busty women are chosen in design because of the play on line, and opposing curves concept. It not for objectfying women, however objectivication is not a bad thing, since its part of the natural male sexuality. Male sexuality should not be shamed.
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(10-22-2014 02:09 PM)kbell Wrote:  If you want to convert gamers you have to slowly challenge their beliefs. ROK is a bit much for someone who is firmly blue pill. Gamergate gives them some inspiration to look beyond the veil of political correctness. How do you lead them further without scaring away the cat?

I doubt you can make people who choose to devote a large portion of their time to escaping into a fantasy world accept the hard truths of reality, particularly when a large portion of them are still progressives, just not as hardline as the SJW's.

There's much discussion on Reddit about being for inclusiveness - meaning women are still controlling the narrative. Note the community celebrates women as its main speakers, (Christine Sommers, Georgina Young (who is neutral), Jennie Bharaj, Jemma Morgan), and a gay man (Milo). Mike is the first White Male to speak out and fight, other than Adam Baldwin, who has largely hidden behind the 'only wanting to generate discussion' shield.

There's much criticism of Mike as an 'opportunist', hand-wringing over Return Of Kings wanting to be involved, and people tip-toeing around being politically-correct and for free speech, until, like the SJW's, the politics of the free speech in question don't match their own, then it's 'problematic', and 'we don't need their support'. A touchy-feely leftist argued for non-judgement and understanding of pedos yesterday. tard

I doubt this movement will achieve anything. It's children in the playground slapfighting, and Gamergate are hopelessly naïve, because they're fighting people who have no trouble with deliberate manipulation and lack any kind of moral compass. Their need to be 'nice' and 'inclusive' will fuck them over in the long run.

Besides, the battle is already lost. Games have been full of progressive crap for years.
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(10-22-2014 11:28 AM)kbell Wrote:  http://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/c...tion_with/

That group is 25% for 75% against ROK involvement with gamergate.

Roosh responded personally to misgivings from these guys and looks like on balance they are responding favorably:

https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/..._of_kings/
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I wouldn't discount all gamers equally. Not all gamers are playing 12 hours a day in World of Warcraft, eating cheetos, and in their parents basement. Some just play it as a simple hobby, to pass off some steam. In more and more games the creeping feminism is seeping that some guys are trying to escape. At this time they are ripe for entertaining opposing ideas. Here is one of the commenters on that KIA thread I linked. No possibility for more red pill views?


"–]Pvt_Benjaminz 4 points 3 hours ago

Never forget that when the shit went down and we were banned from speaking about gamergate in every forum on the internet, that /pol/ was the only safe haven for us.

fucking BRIETBART was the only news site that would listen to us.

The liberals that I once thought were my allies have been shitting on me nearly every day since this went down. I'm supposed to care about what they think of me?

If you would have told me that the left would turn on me and I'd have to turn to /pol/ and to hardcore MRAs to make sure I had a voice I would have laughed at you 3 months ago. This whole thing has taught me a lot about freedom of speech. I won't be so quick to write of people that hold views that I once considered 'toxic' and I sure as fuck won't assume that other self-described liberals have my best interests in mind.

I don't agree with ROK on a lot of things but as long as they follow the rules in the sidebar and act like adults they're as welcome as anyone else."


Also what happens when you can't escape to your fantasy world without being accused of being the ultimate evil since your a male. How long will that last for?
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(10-22-2014 02:52 PM)Wutang Wrote:  
(10-22-2014 11:28 AM)kbell Wrote:  http://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/c...tion_with/

That group is 25% for 75% against ROK involvement with gamergate.

Roosh responded personally to misgivings from these guys and looks like on balance they are responding favorably:

https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/..._of_kings/

No, they're not:

https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/...tion_with/

We're ACTUAL misogynists, people! (Note the progressive millennial unnecessary qualification).
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Gawker is not too happy right now

"How We Got Rolled by the Dishonest Fascists of Gamergate"
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Quote:I've been told that we've lost thousands of dollars already, and could potentially lose thousands more, if not millions.
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(10-22-2014 04:50 PM)Seboist Wrote:  Gawker is not too happy right now

"How We Got Rolled by the Dishonest Fascists of Gamergate"
https://archive.today/IPkRU

Quote:I've been told that we've lost thousands of dollars already, and could potentially lose thousands more, if not millions.

That article is amazing. I can't believe a major editor for a multibillion dollar organization would write something so unprofessional.

Quote:Failing to adequately cover this act of spinelessness was the first big fuck-up we at Gawker committed. Intel surrendered to the worst kind of dishonesty, and we allowed it to do so without ever calling it out. So let's say it now: Intel is run by craven idiots. It employs pusillanimous morons. It lacks integrity. It folded to misogynists and bigots who objected to a woman who had done nothing more than write a piece claiming a place in the world of video games. And even when confronted with its own thoughtlessness and irresponsibility, it could not properly right its wrongs.

Insulting major corporate sponsors mere days after they part ways with you? Damn.
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If i didn't know any better, i'd say that guy was a pro-GG double agent working to sabotage them from the inside but these people are just that incompetent at dealing with an enemy that fights back.
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RE: #GamerGate thread (formerly "Zoe Quinn: Feminism, Game Journalims, and Corrup...
(10-22-2014 04:50 PM)Seboist Wrote:  Gawker is not too happy right now

"How We Got Rolled by the Dishonest Fascists of Gamergate"
https://archive.today/IPkRU

Quote:I've been told that we've lost thousands of dollars already, and could potentially lose thousands more, if not millions.

Top comment points to RVF and MikeCF as leading the GG charge. This gets more and more interesting.
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It's amazing how full of shit the mainstream gaming press is. Now Anita Sarkeesian has an interview in the newest Game Informer (you can't escape her) and she talks about being a gamer her entire life and Game Informer goes along with this... despite the fact that she has a video of her speaking during a university lecture in 2010 where she is quoted as saying "I'm not a fan of video games" and "I had to learn a lot about them".
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I have a feeling the SJW's are going to label ROK as the head of the snake on this now.

This is fucking insanity at it's finest, sometimes I wish I could unplug the internet for the world.

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The SJW types work themselves into such a moral panic that they don't care if they're eating their own. Many gamers are apolitical or left-leaning, but the Anti-Misogyny Brigade had to crap all over gamers as a group because some guys on /b/ and /v/ said mean things about a purple-haired, promiscuous shoggoth who masquerades as a "game developer" and moonlights as a professional victim.

And, yeah, 10 articles in 24 hours calling your audience nasty names sure makes it seem like the gaming press is full of keenly insightful independent thinkers. That, more than anything else, I think, is what touched off GamerGate. Tribalism runs very deep in the human psyche, and when people feel their team is being attacked, they get mad. Usually, the left is far more effective at getting people not to identify with the group they're attacking, but gaming is a big part of these guys' identity and gamers are used to being shamed.
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(10-22-2014 04:58 PM)Sumanguru Wrote:  Insulting major corporate sponsors mere days after they part ways with you? Damn.

Intel pulled its advertising from a games website. They didn't pull it directly from Gawker.

Still, I don't see how it's prudent to insult Intel so liberally. Huge risk for the guy who signed off on publishing that article.
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(10-22-2014 07:22 PM)Tigre Wrote:  
(10-22-2014 04:58 PM)Sumanguru Wrote:  Insulting major corporate sponsors mere days after they part ways with you? Damn.

Intel pulled its advertising from a games website. They didn't pull it directly from Gawker.

Still, I don't see how it's prudent to insult Intel so liberally. Huge risk for the guy who signed off on publishing that article.

Remember, they're fascist echo chamber cultists who believe they're on the winning side of history. Emotion overriding common sense makes perfect sense.
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