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Man, I looked up Fredrick Brennan. Dude's been through more shit than everybody on the left side of that list combined.
He's been dealt a worse hand than almost anybody I can imagine, and he's still fighting for what he believes in. What a hero.
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(10-23-2014 11:13 PM)TheRookie Wrote:  Wow Just Wow. Didn't realize these male feminist allies needed to check their privilege

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This image / macro / meme promotes the idea that your opinions are only valid if you belong to a victim group. Can't get behind that.
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It does quite the opposite, actually. The idea that your opinions are only valid if you belong to a victim group is something that's only pushed by people like Zoe Quinn, who want to shut down debate by silencing people who disagree with them. Start throwing the same tactic in their face, and it will quickly be discarded.
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(10-24-2014 12:06 AM)Faust Wrote:  It does quite the opposite, actually. The idea that your opinions are only valid if you belong to a victim group is something that's only pushed by people like Zoe Quinn, who want to shut down debate by silencing people who disagree with them. Start throwing the same tactic in their face, and it will quickly be discarded.

Fair enough. I see the angle you're getting at, but the attitude that being part of an approved victim group confers cultural/rhetorical cachet is so ingrained that I don't buy that it's so easily and casually discarded. This is a foundational belief of modern liberalism and I feel the image here is merely buying into and reinforcing that belief system.
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Post on #GamerGate here:

Quote:GamerGate is a power struggle over the fate of an $80+ billion industry between two loosely defined groups of people. On one side is the leaderless ragtag consumer revolt of #GamerGate, comprised of those who identify themselves as gamers and those who are sympathetic to the concerns of gamers. On the other side is a tight-knit network of journalists, PR reps, and media socialites who have explicitly disclosed their hatred of the gamer identity and their complete lack of respect for gamers. #GamerGate supporters sometimes refer to this clique as ‘Social Justice Warriors’ or as ‘SocJus’ (a reference to IngSoc from Orwell’s 1984).

This clique has slowly edged themselves into the games industry and assumed positions of influence in media, PR, and other fields. Over time, they have been actively marginalizing and elbowing out of the industry those who disagree with their politicized agenda to the point where today, the fields they occupy are ideologically homogeneous bubbles. Now this group has signaled their intent to culturally terraform the entire gaming industry, including its consumer demographics, to their desired vision.

How are they going about doing this? What evidence exists for this?
Well, let’s look at their tactics:

(1) The coordinated unison declaration from the games media that ‘gamers are dead’[1]
(2) The exploitation and perpetuation of the tired old stereotype of gamers as the mythical straight, white, male, basement-dwelling, infantile, misogynist horde of the internet.[2][3][4][5][6][7]
(3) The bullying of gamers by the gaming media and their allies, who call us rape apologists, racists, sociopaths, pedophiles, terrorists, Nazis, etc. [8]
(4) Game journalists colluding in secrecy to coerce industry-wide agenda and policy in accordance to the benefit of their clique[9][10][11][12]
(5) Journalists conspiring to blackball people from the industry who disagree with the politics and ambitions of their clique.[13][14][15][16]
(6) Death threats, harassment, slander, and intimidation of those who disagree with or act against the ambitions of their clique[17][18][19][20][21][22]
(7) Ignoring the harassment and intimidation that #GamerGate supporters regularly receive, while creating a global hysteria over threats to the ‘Literally Who’s[23][24][25]
(8) Presenting an ideology for media consumption as though it were axiomatic truth and gospel, and censoring rebuttal and dissent from the agenda[26]
(9) Trying to rewrite the rulebook about journalism ethics and even pretend it doesn’t exist[27]
(10) Giving awards not on the basis of merit and excellence, but on the basis of who they feel “really needs” it most (and just happens to be in their clique)[28]
(11) Lowering review scores and thereby damaging the sales of games which don’t conform to their political opinions, instead of being empathetic enough to see other points of view and assess them impartially.[29][30][31][32]
(12) Journalists in financial relationships with their subjects[33]
(13) Journalists in sexual relationships with their subjects[34][35][36][37]

Agree

Relevant paragraphs from TLP's post on Who Bullies The Bullies?

Quote:But Hess preferred to see misogyny on the internet, so instead we get another trending article about how the problem has a penis. This coincides perfectly with the media's desire to frame it as a gender war because that makes for good clicking. Let's summarize the media's thesis via unwitting Hess: 1. cyberharassment is a women's issue, never mind the men who are harassed. 2. The appropriate way to handle women's issues is not necessarily to solve them but to discuss them in the media. "It's called awareness." We are all aware. Are you aware of how much you made for Pacific Standard at your expense and to no avail?

...

Hess is fighting the battles of 50 years ago because she was told to fight them by people who profit from the fight, and as a bonus it gets her out of any self-criticism. Oh, Sheryl Sandberg thinks Silicon Valley can be a boys' club? Was that why she manned up and sold us out to the NSA? Curious that she didn't accuse the NSA of being a boys' club. Perhaps real power transcends gender? More curious/on purpose is that she and the boosters at Wired are more horrified about NSA spying, despite there being an explicit terms of service agreement with them that what it finds without a warrant is inadmissible, but Google monitoring my sexts for their commercial benefit is SAGE approved behavioral economics.

...

What Hess and others fail to see is that this kind of postgraduate sexismology-- Hess's "ability" to see it-- is encouraged because it favors the status quo. It is a tool for maintaining an economic and psychological disavowal favorable to Gen X and older-- men and women. Their collective psychology has caused to be a machine that is calibrated to ensure their life is not disrupted-- at the expense of everyone under 30, you guys waste your life Banning Bossy and make sure you pay back all of your student loans, sorry about the future but the SLEEP/CONSUME machine from They Live has to keep running.

...

So the system encourages women like Hess to "critique the patriarchy" or "bring awareness" because it stands no chance of moving the money, let alone the power, and also the media gets a cut. Meanwhile men all over the place are left questioning why their opportunities are just as limited but their answer can't be a glass ceiling. "Maybe it's reverse sexism!" Maybe your media is no different than her media, we'll see what kind of sexism there is when the robots replace all of you. What is both obscene and astonishing in its power is that this distraction is foisted on Millennials by other Millennials, they're fighting for the other team, precisely because the immensely hard work of work can be avoided by hoping the problem is sexism. Hess is frantically fighting against-- whom? Cyberbullies? Frat guys? Stand up comedians? What are the results she expects from this fight? The fight is a symptom of neurosis, frantic energy as a defense against impotence, frantic energy as a defense against change. "Why am I in the top 20% of intelligence but I'm running the register at a store whose products I can't afford?" Because trolls are preventing women from earning a living online? "So it's Reddit's fault!"

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"Fair enough. I see the angle you're getting at, but the attitude that being part of an approved victim group confers cultural/rhetorical cachet is so ingrained that I don't buy that it's so easily and casually discarded. This is a foundational belief of modern liberalism and I feel the image here is merely buying into and reinforcing that belief system."

Well, that's certainly possible. But the people who promote this attitude do so because it works to their advantage. If you want to make them stop, make it so it's not to their advantage anymore. The way to stop a bully who's punching you in the face is to break his jaw, not to seek the moral high ground. That only makes him punch you harder.
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(10-23-2014 11:13 PM)TheRookie Wrote:  Wow Just Wow. Didn't realize these male feminist allies needed to check their privilege

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Shit like that makes it more apparent that these leftists are guilty of some serious projection issues.
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Jessica Valenti on #gamergate

"As the cultural relevance of angry white men on the internet withers away and ends, their last words – muttered angrily at an empty room – will surely be “Gamer ... gate”."

That's just the first paragraph, it goes on from there.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree...sing-women
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(10-24-2014 12:15 AM)2Wycked Wrote:  Post on #GamerGate here:

Man, that's a pretty well-thought out webpage that explains the movement and what's going on.

2Wycked nailed it but I'm adding one more quote I thought summed it all up fairly well:

"#GamerGate is a revolt against the games media. If we thought that at any point the media would play their game fairly, then we would have gone about this ordeal in an entirely different way. Thankfully, the olive branches we’ve been offering to the media are beginning to be accepted as #GamerGate continues to roll on. Interviews with #GamerGate supporters are starting to become a more regular occurrence, and dialogue is beginning to be nurtured."

(edit: It's actually way more than just a revolt against the games media, but that will sort itself out in due time.)

This is the new meme GamerGate put out...

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A neoreactionary post has a few gamers looking at it:
http://www.socialmatter.net/2014/10/23/g...ewed-right
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(10-24-2014 04:59 AM)infowarrior1 Wrote:  A neoreactionary post has a few gamers looking at it:
http://www.socialmatter.net/2014/10/23/g...ewed-right

I think it is a well written post and encompasses how many of us neoreactionaries feel about #GamerGate. We support it even though most GamerGaters are not right-wing. GamerGate is a great opportunity to expose not only gaming journalism corruption, but all media corruption. SJWs are Cultural Marxists. They have been using the media as a propaganda tool to promote their political agenda. I wrote a piece on my blog about this as well the same day. Roosh called us out and I think that is fair especially since our movement would benefit a great deal from delegitimizing the media wing of the Cathedral/Hivemind.

Zoe Quinn's relations with gaming journalists and Milo's exposure of the gaming journalist mailing list raises legitimate concerns. Is there collusion? Is journalism corrupt? Meanwhile, their opponents say they are racists, sexists, homophobes, etc. and are spending their time pointing out the actions of less than a handful of people (the alleged death threats) and completely ignoring their concerns.

The funny thing is if they had simply issued a press release apologizing for the conflict of interests and went into some spiel about journalism and ethics, this would've all been buried from the get go and GamerGate would not have been a thing. However, they vehemently deny wrongdoing, ignore GG concerns, and were shown to collude together to try and cover it up.
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(10-24-2014 04:59 AM)infowarrior1 Wrote:  A neoreactionary post has a few gamers looking at it:
http://www.socialmatter.net/2014/10/23/g...ewed-right

That's an interesting take on this whole thing.

I can't get enough of the comments section. There is some serious questioning of prior blue pill / Cultural Marxist beliefs going on in there. I guess that just happens when the powers that be attempt to completely change or take away something you love.

Here's a few very revealing comments:

"I am one of these millennialist you mention in your post. definitely, one of the things that gamergate has opened my eyes to is how the media will cooperate to drive a narrative that contradicts reality, to the point that it seems unbelievable that it is really happen. I’ll never trust the media again except for a few select writers from a few select media outlets."

"If the call goes out to burn MSNBC, CNN, or even FOX to the ground for standing against us, I’m going to answer it. And I really doubt I’ll be alone. " (wow)

"I’m in it for the long run. I plan to fight them using their own tactics against them. SJWs and hipsters are as bad as the guys from stormfront, and I will always call them on it when I see it. I’m a gamer, and Anita and the SJWs are the last boss."

"Please don’t forget about us women who support GamerGate. Smile Some of us don’t buy the misogyny angle one bit (and honestly, I feel like the word “misogyny” is being overused, rather like “racist”).

We’re out here being told we’re internalizing misogyny, hate ourselves and our fellow women, and are being “patsies” for some Great White Gaming Conspiracy ™. I’ve lost friends over this because while I utterly condemn death threats, doxxing, rape threats – or any other kinds of threats – I refuse to let a few maladjusted children hijack this movement.
"

"Gamer culture is shaped by a series of spontaneous, micro-interactions between members to form an emergent ‘thing’. The thing isn’t genderless or identityless. Cultures are expressions of the people who make them. The culture around fixing cars (online or in the real world) is very masculine. In the beginning, so was gaming, because gaming in the early to mid 90s was something only male nerds did. Your odd female wasn’t enough to change that.

The idea of gaming as a gender-neutral ‘gamer’ culture is anachronistic. That simply is not how it historically developed.

How am I different from the SJWs? When I see masculine gamer culture, I don’t say “EWWW, THAT’S MISOGYNISTIC, YOU SHOULD ACCOMMODATE US, YOU WHITE MALES!”

I say: Yes, it’s masculine, and yes, I like it.
"

^^^^^Some of these quotes are pretty telling (and pretty amazing) eh? It's almost surreal to see people suddenly wake up and realize how f*cked up things have gotten in the mainstream media and the West in general and how it actually can affect them and their lives.

Clearly, these people are starting to 'get it' and it's putting them into a position to see what's further down the rabbit hole and to begin the first steps in taking the red pill.

I feel like the kids (Millennials) are starting to grow up now (sniff, sniff....)

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(10-23-2014 11:24 AM)Slim Shady Wrote:  Top link in the top trending topic on Facebook right now: http://thinkprogress.org/culture/2014/10...gamergate/

"That change is GamerGate — an online movement where a small subset of gamers have harassed female media critics, developers and bloggers with violent and graphic death and rape threats."

Look at that language. God damn. Even Chris Kluwe is in the article.

Tossers all.

I read that, I think she should've tried talking to the gamers she saw crossing the street instead of acting like they were criminals. I mean honestly I know she would've wanted the same for herself.
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Would really love to see TLP commentary on gamergate. It's been forever since he's updated.
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Those crazy right-wingers in their tin foil hats were right all along lol
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(10-24-2014 12:01 AM)demolition Wrote:  
(10-23-2014 11:13 PM)TheRookie Wrote:  Wow Just Wow. Didn't realize these male feminist allies needed to check their privilege

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Laugh

This image / macro / meme promotes the idea that your opinions are only valid if you belong to a victim group. Can't get behind that.

The point of the image macro is to galvanize opposition to Social Justice Bullshit among straight white males. Let them know that even if they speak out as male feminist allies Gay, the Social Justice Bullies will still hate them. Let straight white males and other sane people know that if they white knight for mentally insane people, the insane people will lash out at them.

Let the Social Justice Bullies bare their teeth and expose them for irrationally hating straight white males. If straight white males know they are hated, they will stop being neutral or white knights on culture war issues.
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(10-24-2014 09:47 AM)The Reactionary Tree Wrote:  Those crazy right-wingers in their tin foil hats were right all along lol

Yeah, they may say that now but if they "win" they're going to throw that out the window.

Enemies of my enemies are my friends until the fighting's over sorta deal.

Not to mention the little Red Guard SJW bastards have already begun infiltrating the GamerGate movement and are working clandestinely to put the brakes on.
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I still don't understand gamergate. If some media outlets are shoddy, stop patronizing them in favor of the ones that are good. Plenty of people and groups have voiced contempt for the media before

I see a difference between movements - call it liberal vs conservative, radical vs reactionary, reformist vs separatist, or totalitarian vs libertarian. The totalitarian reformer seeks to 'fix' the object of his contempt, to the point of fundamentally altering the true nature of this object, while the libertarian seeks merely to distance himself from it, to remove himself from his enemy's sphere of power and influence. The totalitarian seeks to capture the bullhorn, the libertarian runs away from it. The totalitarian kowtows to existing power structures, while the libertarian wants to build new, typically smaller, ones.

Along those lines, gamergate is a totalitarian movement. It doesn't want to set out on its own. It's like a spoiled trust fund brat screaming at his parents for a bigger piece of the pie instead of striking out to make his own fortune. Instead of saying "fuck you, I'll do this myself," they say "No fair! You need to behave!"

And like others have said here: More specifically, unless you fundamentally oppose cultural marxism, you leave yourself vulnerable to its depredations. The abuses that gamergate is trying to correct are the product of cultural marxism. They are inevitable and endemic to a media under the influence of cultural marxism. Until you completely shear off progressivism and cultural marxism, things will inevitably degrade and return to that point which the gaming media is at now.
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Ask and you shall receive Roosh. Bryce Laliberte is one of the neoreactionary bloggers, Anarcho-Papist and Social Matter

He wrote a lovely piece over at the Daily Caller.

Quote:Despite being declared dead and confronting virtually the entire mainstream media, #GamerGate continues to grow in strength. The latest victories over Gawker will only encourage further attack as its writers continue to commit hubristic errors.

First was Sam Biddle calling for nerds to be viciously bullied, which led to email campaigns convincing Intel, Mercedes-Benz, and Adobe to pull advertising from the unrepentantly pro-bullying site. Demonstrating vast chutzpah, Gawker’s Max Read went on to claim that Intel “is run by craven idiots,” “employs pusillanimous morons,” and without even a hint of irony, that the tech company “lacks integrity.”

The message is clear and obvious: if you pull your advertising from the pro-bullying, vapidly disingenuous rag, you’re just a piece of shit and Gawker doesn’t need you anyway. The passive-aggressive attitude of the site’s “journalists” constitutes an implicit threat to other advertisers Gawker fears might want to dissociate themselves from the explicit approval of bullying. “Continue advertising with us, or we’ll say nasty, defamatory things about you like we did with Intel,” is the implicit threat.

One wonders how any public relations department of any company can be pleased by this; threats to spread nasty rumors about companies that withdraw advertising is a de facto declaration of journalistic infidelity. Not only is Gawker pro-bullying, it has declared, in no uncertain terms, that it puts its own reputation above truth.

How any company can support this affront to journalism is beyond me. I daresay that advertising with Gawker, as though it has any shred of dignity, is to perpetuate the culture of propaganda that #GamerGate formed in response to.

These self-appointed inquisitors have a bark far worse than their bite. Their standard rhetorical tricks, amounting to little more than call them a fascist, will never persuade Intel and other opponents of bullying to return. The mask has been pulled away, revealing the cynical, slanderous core underneath. Anyone with the ability to think for him or herself should no longer give slimy, creepy Wormtongues like Sam Biddle or Max Read the privilege of poisoning their thoughts.

Has the media overplayed its hand? Despite unanimous condemnation of #GamerGate by every prog journalist looking to add a notch to their keyboards, the ragtag band of #GamerGate underdogs appear to only be encouraged by the resistance they meet. No matter how many media outlets declare that the media is not compromised, it is understandable the persecuted are unwilling to believe these proven liars.

It seems that #GamerGate has disturbed a slumbering beast. Neutrality is no longer permissible; the battle lines are drawn between the forces of good and evil. Either you unquestioningly believe the narrative the media chooses for you, or you are a dangerous reactionary representing everything evil.

This is a battle in a bona fide culture war. The media is increasingly utilized by narrow-minded leftists as a weapon to attack anyone who demonstrates insufficient leftism. What they thought would be an easy job in which media activists sic Twitter mobs on undesirables has met with unexpected resistance. The mainstream media has grown indolent in its unchallenged hegemony, but the Internet is chipping away at this concentrated power. Media activists are positively frightened at the idea that someone might question the narrative they have decided to impose.

If #GamerGate accomplishes nothing else, discrediting Gawker and sowing the seeds of rebellion will have been worth it. This isn’t the first of media manufactured controversies, and it won’t be the last. Three cheers for #GamerGate!

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(10-24-2014 09:00 AM)Blaster Wrote:  Would really love to see TLP commentary on gamergate. It's been forever since he's updated.

Just FYI, his "Who Bullies the Bullies?" article, which I believe 2Wyked quoted from earier this thread, touches on many of the issues involved in Gamergate.
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#gamergate has beaten ISIS and Jesus

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(10-24-2014 10:07 AM)Basil Ransom Wrote:  And like others have said here: More specifically, unless you fundamentally oppose cultural marxism, you leave yourself vulnerable to its depredations. The abuses that gamergate is trying to correct are the product of cultural marxism. They are inevitable and endemic to a media under the influence of cultural marxism. Until you completely shear off progressivism and cultural marxism, things will inevitably degrade and return to that point which the gaming media is at now.

The golden rule: he who has the gold makes the rules.

The SJWs have shown that going your own way and promoting badthink will not be tolerated. They have long held the upper hand in the media, outrage journalism and clickbait have been the tools with which they crush dissent.

Cultural Marxism has taken deep root in the institutions of the west. They aren't Soviet sleeper agents who will wait for years to strike, if the culture can be changed to be openly hostile to their progressive views then they may just 'fall in line' and go native.

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10-24-2014 10:27 AM
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RE: #GamerGate thread
(10-24-2014 10:07 AM)Basil Ransom Wrote:  Along those lines, gamergate is a totalitarian movement. It doesn't want to set out on its own. It's like a spoiled trust fund brat screaming at his parents for a bigger piece of the pie instead of striking out to make his own fortune. Instead of saying "fuck you, I'll do this myself," they say "No fair! You need to behave!"

Actually, there have been gaming sites moving in to fill the void left by the ones under attack. There's whitelist of about 30 or so of them.

https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/...ndex/lists
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RE: #GamerGate thread
(10-24-2014 04:01 AM)Maciano Wrote:  Jessica Valenti on #gamergate

"As the cultural relevance of angry white men on the internet withers away and ends, their last words – muttered angrily at an empty room – will surely be “Gamer ... gate”."

That's just the first paragraph, it goes on from there.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree...sing-women

Whatever you do, don't go try to make any sense of the comments.

They're all written by people not nearly as smart as they would like to pretend.

It's almost funny reading trash feminists write, I think that they think they are coming off as impartial, objective, and thorough when is laughable when you know the real story of Gamergate.

I think the common thing they all share and what I cannot stand the most is the goddamn smug and condescending air they have.

We were meant for far more than to suffer in our self created prisons only to die alone. It doesn't have to be that way. It never did.
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