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I recently made it back from a weekend trip to Jakarta. And wow I must say the rumors are true. Let me be clear. I didn't go on this trip to pet elephants, swim with dolphins. I came to smash as many camel toes as possible.

The photo of Skarsgard greeted by that asian fan are a very accurate representation of what it is like walking around Jakarta. [Image: 1gZEM]

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Age: Late 20s
Ethnicity: Caucausian from U.S.
Preferable game method: Nightgame
Smashes: 3
Days: 3 Days 4 nights
Tinder matches: infinite?
Terrorist attacks escaped: unknown
Self-Assessment rating: B

I'll talk about the big elephant in the room first.

Radical Islam/Terrorism
I went to Jakarta almost exactly two weeks after the terrorist attack, and I stayed a a hotel literally a 5 minute walk from where it went down. You could see the police outpost from my hotel. I'm a white Jew from Los Angeles walking around in a suit. Is going to the most populous muslim country in the world to smash a bunch of sluts a good idea? I like to go into the lion's den every so often.

You certainly will get a huge abundance of looks and stares. Quite of a few of these are what I perceive as "sketchy" Indo guys. I don't discriminate of course, not everyone is a terrorist. But I did feel more on edge walking around than other cities. It is just something to be aware of.

However, the security in Jakarta is extremely tight. I swear I had 30 anal cavity searches and 5 prostate exams in 4 days, jokes of course. Everytime you go through a mall or some sort of commercial complex there are multiple security guards that stop the car, inspect it for bombs, check the trunk, etc. Not to say it is perfectly safe, but the security measures are very rigorous.

All-in-all I wouldn't let this attack deter you. It could really happen in almost any major city. I read some post about some guy in Thailand bitching about how he was scared police were going to stop him and shake him down.....If you have this mentality you might as well stay home.

Nightlife
This is an actual photo I snapped when I walked into one the nightclubs.
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Nightlife is fairly concentrated to a few spots, and I feel like if you stay in Jakarta for more than a few weeks you will eventually know half of the nightclub and key players. I don't think it is that big of a scene. In fact, my first night I crashed some random birthday table party. Irish knew the birthday girl. Ha small world I guess.

It is indeed very expensive, even though I was warned of how expensive it was things really added up. I was spending around 2million - 4 million Rupiah a night. Somewhere between $150 - $300 USD a night I think is accurate. You don't need to spend anywhere near this much. But I was on vacation and I drink HEAVY. I basically had a vodka redbull in my hand in every venue at all times. That adds up. It's pretty clear that nightclubs are geared towards the 1% of the Indo population. Clubbing in Jakarta can be insanely fun, in fact almost too fun. Partying in Jakarta taught me some important lessons that I've used to improve my night game.


Immigrant

I'd recommend Immigrant as the premier high-end nightclub in the city, as it has been discussed. It's somewhat of a small venue, and the table layout is pretty awkward. However, I'd advise to hang out at the bar, right in the middle where it curves or work game outside. There's really no need to shell out the cash for a table. Girls will be giving you looks all night at this spot.

X2/Equinox
A connected club somewhat in Senayan. X2 plays more trance and progressive house and Equinox plays hip-hop. I got a bottle at these places the nights I went, and would recommend it. The layouts make it very easy to bring girls back to your bottle. Seemed to be a bit of indo-chinese the night I went.

Fable
18+ up spot. When I first walked in I thought I was in heaven. Hot, sweet, young, asian pussy everywhere. Only competition is dweeby little punks, aka none. After 10 minutes, I realized its more like a high school dance, than a club. The girls are just too young and not down. Go and check it out for laughs and kicks, but don't expect too much. Stick to Immigrant.

I can't comment to much on the other venues in the city, as I mainly stuck to Immigrant and the aforementioned spots.

Accomodations
I'd definitely recommend staying walking distance to Plaza Indonesia. Either in an Airbnb or a hotel. I had some Starwood points and stayed at the Keraton. It was amazing, huge 20 feet ceilings, automatic shades, marble bathroom, full-service butler available 24/7 through whatsapp. Numerous times I sent a photo to the girl coming up and the butler escorted it up. If you have points or the cash, splurge and stay at least a couple nights at the Keraton. You won't regret it.

My buddy stayed at an Airbnb very close by, and that is more than enough as well. During the day, you'll wan to be close to this mall and Grand Indonesia. You can avoid the majority of the sketchy indo guys, and easily meet girls for dates.

Bottom line is stay close to Plaza Indonesia/GI, either in an airbnb or hotel.

Cockblocks
I think I encountered every cockblock known to man this trip. Crazy indo guy cockblock, Chinese insularity cockblock, jerk-off westerners cockblock, girl blacked out cockblock, female friend cockblock, bartender cockblock, logistical cockblock, etc. On and on. I just brushed them off and plowed through as best I could. I actually found the nightlife to be somewhat difficult. You have to isolate and extract here, which I had trouble doing since I had IOIs from half the club. If you don't you will get cockblocked. Luckily, Jakarta is fairly easy you can throw a hail mary practically anywhere, anytime.

I came to realize the best way to play Jakarta if you are not super connected and know everyone like Irish, is to do Tinder and mall/"daygame". I barely know what "daygame" is and I never use Tinder. So this was a little bit out of my element. But the Tinder matches are unreal. If any of you guys are coming here. Just play Tinder and have the girls come over or walk around the mall. I think if I go back and do this I can run through 2-3 girls a day without breaking a sweat. The Tinder is just ridiculous. The nightclub should just be for having fun. You can definitely pull, but the ROI is very low.

I think I could have definitely pulled more, but I didn't go out Sunday night. Another girl came over, she was some sort of model and was showing me her photos. Super skinny. I was about to take off her pants and she said something along the lines of "menstruation". Or was it "men's operation"?!?! She was that skinny. Dilemma of the century. I choose to not figure it out and fell asleep.

Good luck to anyone visiting in the near future.
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I'll be popping into Jakarta for 2 days in 2 or 3 weeks time. Staying in central Jakarta and was planning on hitting up the clubs. I speak Indonesian pretty well so I'm happy to play as a translator.
Shoot me a PM if you want to meet up and we'll make it happen
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Pipelining on Tinder with GPS spoof is one of the easiest ways to get dates for this city. The 'white god' factor is still through the roof.

Any ideas on how to separate the ones who are more likely up for ONS? I found the younger ones (18-20yo) generally stick close with their parents. As well as that, a lot of them seem to be fairly innocent (but I'll have to wait and see).
I won't be in the city long and I was hoping to tap into the most talent I can!
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How to tell a girl is down:

Pick any place with alcohol near. Close.

Simple as that. Good girls usually won't want to grab a drink with you. They will insist on coffee or some other sober activity.
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^Putin, while I agree with you 100%, the problem in Jakarta is that it's not easy to find such a place. If you stay in thamrin, for example, the nearest bars are in grand indo. There, you have social house and skye, both are very expensive. There may be other bars in the area, but they are difficult to spot. That's why on my last trip, most of my pulls were either zero date bangs or from clubs.
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One bar for guys in the Kuningan City area to consider, and it has a happy hour, is in the Outback Steakhouse in the mall. Not sure of exactly the hours, but they have a two for one happy hour, and it isn't particularly expensive to begin with (only expensive by Indo standards). Found the bar pleasant enough - it fills up a little bit after work from the folks working at the large insurance company in the building next door (can't remember which one), but thats girls and guys coming over for a drink after work. Small bar, though, maybe only 10 seats.

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(03-04-2016 10:27 AM)Brodiaga Wrote:  There, you have social house and skye, both are very expensive.

If you go to Social House go for the beer bucket, 6 bintang for 185k++, if I recall correctly, or on Monday they have wine buffet for 199k++.

Afterhours in Sarinah has happy hour until 8pm with draft Bintang at 18k++, good place to play pool.

Camden bar in Cikini and Gandaria bottles of questionable quality spirits circa. 650k++, younger crowd.
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Just in terms of Jakarta being a rough city I went through there 15 years ago post 9/11 - on advice I took a taxi when the ferry docked to the bus station and out.

Went through 3 massive punch ups/ rucks in a 20 minute journey across town .. one in the ferry port, one in the bus station, one holding up the whole street as a gang boarded a local bus and their ring leader stood outside and whipped its windows with a massive chain.

I'd say that thats the reason for the white god syndrome as its a totally corrupt shithole which is way off any tourist agenda. Long may she reign Smile

As far as terrorism goes I'd say don't trust the indos and carry a lucky charm. They'll be doing the security gambit right now to placate their American sponsors but honestly? they'll probably give some radical cell the nod as to when its a good time to shoot up a mall in the future.

2001 I headed up to middle of nowhere Sulawesi. had more people run their fingers across their throat at me then I'd want for one lifetime. Went on local buses through towns with dummies in chairs wearing 'JIHAD' placards placed in the middle of the street. burnt out christian houses everywhere. Everyone on the bus went quiet for a long time. Crowds would gather around guesthouses and tell the owner that first they were going to kill me and then they were going to kill any other westerners he was hiding. My mates in Oz lost their buddies in the Bali bombing and the Indo govt still won't enforce the death penalty on the Jamaat E Islaam scumbag who did it cos they don't want to upset the electorate.

I guess enjoy the white god status, try not to think about the politics and skate around any dangers.

Thanks Irish and other posters, this thread is awesome Smile
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(03-05-2016 06:21 AM)Adv8nturous Wrote:  Just in terms of Jakarta being a rough city I went through there 15 years ago post 9/11 - on advice I took a taxi when the ferry docked to the bus station and out.

Went through 3 massive punch ups/ rucks in a 20 minute journey across town .. one in the ferry port, one in the bus station, one holding up the whole street as a gang boarded a local bus and their ring leader stood outside and whipped its windows with a massive chain.

I'd say that thats the reason for the white god syndrome as its a totally corrupt shithole which is way off any tourist agenda. Long may she reign Smile

As far as terrorism goes I'd say don't trust the indos and carry a lucky charm. They'll be doing the security gambit right now to placate their American sponsors but honestly? they'll probably give some radical cell the nod as to when its a good time to shoot up a mall in the future.

2001 I headed up to middle of nowhere Sulawesi. had more people run their fingers across their throat at me then I'd want for one lifetime. Went on local buses through towns with dummies in chairs wearing 'JIHAD' placards placed in the middle of the street. burnt out christian houses everywhere. Everyone on the bus went quiet for a long time. Crowds would gather around guesthouses and tell the owner that first they were going to kill me and then they were going to kill any other westerners he was hiding. My mates in Oz lost their buddies in the Bali bombing and the Indo govt still won't enforce the death penalty on the Jamaat E Islaam scumbag who did it cos they don't want to upset the electorate.

I guess enjoy the white god status, try not to think about the politics and skate around any dangers.

Thanks Irish and other posters, this thread is awesome Smile

I'm not sure what Indonesia you went to, but I'm calling 100% bullshit.
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(03-05-2016 10:10 AM)UptownSloth Wrote:  
(03-05-2016 06:21 AM)Adv8nturous Wrote:  Just in terms of Jakarta being a rough city I went through there 15 years ago post 9/11 - on advice I took a taxi when the ferry docked to the bus station and out.

Went through 3 massive punch ups/ rucks in a 20 minute journey across town .. one in the ferry port, one in the bus station, one holding up the whole street as a gang boarded a local bus and their ring leader stood outside and whipped its windows with a massive chain.

I'd say that thats the reason for the white god syndrome as its a totally corrupt shithole which is way off any tourist agenda. Long may she reign Smile

As far as terrorism goes I'd say don't trust the indos and carry a lucky charm. They'll be doing the security gambit right now to placate their American sponsors but honestly? they'll probably give some radical cell the nod as to when its a good time to shoot up a mall in the future.

2001 I headed up to middle of nowhere Sulawesi. had more people run their fingers across their throat at me then I'd want for one lifetime. Went on local buses through towns with dummies in chairs wearing 'JIHAD' placards placed in the middle of the street. burnt out christian houses everywhere. Everyone on the bus went quiet for a long time. Crowds would gather around guesthouses and tell the owner that first they were going to kill me and then they were going to kill any other westerners he was hiding. My mates in Oz lost their buddies in the Bali bombing and the Indo govt still won't enforce the death penalty on the Jamaat E Islaam scumbag who did it cos they don't want to upset the electorate.

I guess enjoy the white god status, try not to think about the politics and skate around any dangers.

Thanks Irish and other posters, this thread is awesome Smile

I'm not sure what Indonesia you went to, but I'm calling 100% bullshit.

He sounds like a guy who went to Vietnam 40 years ago and is now talking about the dangers there.

Indonesia isn't the same as it was in 2001. No country is the same as it was 15 years ago. I have traveled to large parts of Sulawesi in 2014 and the people I met were amongst the friendliest I have ever come across.
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I'm not interested in getting into a row.
If you don't believe me fair enough but do a bit of research on what happened around Poso, Sulawesi in mid to late 2001. Sectarian violence/ beheadings is still ongoing there from what I've read.
Dummies in the street was the centre of Poso Autumn 2001.
The fingers across throats was in Ampana, Sulawesi, The Togean islands and Palopo.

People were saying at the time that the Mallaccas were worse, they were pretty much off limits and in fact the Indo government shifting muslim refugees from there to around Poso in order to strengthen the muslim vote is what led to the violence in Poso.

Its an old story for Indo, Kalimantan regularly has dayak on muslim atrocities/ vice versa and Banda Aceh is probably the most dangerous area.
A Brit travel agent I told about it in Bali just shrugged her shoulders and said 'the indonesians are always killing each other, its nothing new.'

Interestingly enough the book 'Off the rails in Pnomh Penh' mentioned a Frenchman who was a drug addict and travelled the world whilst his Unemployment Benefit back home paid for it. Pretty sure he was the guy who travelled down with me from Pulau Togean through Poso. He was a cool guy. He wasn't in the slightest bit bothered, more fascinated, but he told me that since I was visibly shitting myself it was probably better for me to head overland to Ujung Pandang and back to Bali, which is what I did. He went off exploring.

If all the above is made up then you have every right to dismiss me as a loser who wastes people's time and if I was actually lying I'd agree with you. It may not be that exciting or interesting but it is true.

Anyway the rest of the thread I think is amazing for its facts, data on Jakarta. Call whatever I post as whatever you see fit.
Personally I don't want to distract too much away from the rest of the thread.
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"Indonesia isn't the same as it was 15 years ago". Fair enough. I haven't been back since. I hope its changed, cos I properly shat myself last time..
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I believe it and everything he posted seems plausible. But it really doesn't matter at all.

This thread is about Jakarta NOW, not some bumfuck places in Indonesia with sectarian violence. Those places Poso and Ampana are like the zanesville of Indonesia, but with Muslims. I have no idea why anyone on this forum would have any interest in going there, except just completely random 3rd world exploration.

Don't forget Indonesia is where Obama got radicalized. Anything could happen. In fact, the head 9/11 terrorist lived in the U.S. for a few months or years before the hijacking. He lived very close to me and actually went to the same pharmacy. I remember seeing the FBI swarming his apartment post 9/11. Count your blessings everyday and focus on the positives and the girls.
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Thanks for the data Armogan. I'm gonna check out tinder when in Jakarta.
Would you say that Jakarta is expensive even if you're not drinking? How much would you set aside for accommodation?
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(03-05-2016 12:53 PM)Adv8nturous Wrote:  Thanks for the data Armogan. I'm gonna check out tinder when in Jakarta.
Would you say that Jakarta is expensive even if you're not drinking? How much would you set aside for accommodation?


I said that the nightlife is expensive, covers and drinks. I didn't find the rest of Jakarta to be too expensive.

Accommodations are all over. My friend stayed at an airbnb $30 more than sufficient. He said that he found two small baby cockroaches in the bed, but just killed them and shrugged it off. I don't think that is the norm though. You could stay at the nicest hotels that are like $250 a night, but these are 5 star hotels.

I'd recommend a happy medium, nice 4 star hotel somewhere between 80-120 a night. It's all up to you though. Somewhere between $50-$150 a day, assuming you don't drink heavy, will get you staying fairly comfortable.
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Thanks for that. Might get in touch with folks like you and Irish before I visit.
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Anyone know a good apartment near Plaza and Grand Indonesia, with very fast wifi, and gym. I stayed at Thamrin Residence last time, and internet was unstable. I'm not seeing a lot of other places on Airnb.
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(03-05-2016 06:01 PM)esalen1 Wrote:  Anyone know a good apartment near Plaza and Grand Indonesia, with very fast wifi, and gym. I stayed at Thamrin Residence last time, and internet was unstable. I'm not seeing a lot of other places on Airnb.

How long will you be back for? You may prefer to get a 4g Sim from Telkomsel and hotspot or tether, speed should be fine for you to play.

Citilofts, in Citywalk, may be faster. My brother stayed there a couple of weeks ago and the wifi was fast enough that he could conference call, monitor off shore survey live etc. Apartments are duplex and there is a Gold's gym in the mall.
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(03-05-2016 06:01 PM)esalen1 Wrote:  Anyone know a good apartment near Plaza and Grand Indonesia, with very fast wifi, and gym. I stayed at Thamrin Residence last time, and internet was unstable. I'm not seeing a lot of other places on Airnb.

How long will you be back for? You may prefer to get a 4g Sim from Telkomsel and hotspot or tether, speed should be fine for you to play.

Citilofts, in Citywalk, may be faster. My brother stayed there a couple of weeks ago and the wifi was fast enough that he could conference call, monitor off shore survey live etc. Apartments are duplex and there is a Gold's gym in the mall.

Hi -
I was thinking about staying for 30 to 60 days. So the Telekomsel 4g should work well at Thamrin Residence? It looks like I can get a monthly rental there for about 750.00 to 1k on air nb.

Thanks for the tip about Citilofts. I'll look into that as well.
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Yep Thamrin is around that price foe the month.
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Thamrin residence starts with 6.5 million and up for 1 bedroom. If you go with an agent or privat renting. Excluding water and electricity. Maybe that's more interesting if you stay 30 days...
My 4g internet sucks. But I don't stay in Thamrin.
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he meant 750 Usd. i think u might be able to get a 1 bed at 6.5m but definitly thats not the normal price.
i got offered 8m rupiah a month on airbnb and that was a pretty good price.
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Yeah. I know that he means USD. But 6.5 is less than 750... And 6.5 is maybe still nego. Didn't ask since I found another one.
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(03-05-2016 08:02 PM)esalen1 Wrote:  
(03-05-2016 07:54 PM)KYT88 Wrote:  
(03-05-2016 06:01 PM)esalen1 Wrote:  Anyone know a good apartment near Plaza and Grand Indonesia, with very fast wifi, and gym. I stayed at Thamrin Residence last time, and internet was unstable. I'm not seeing a lot of other places on Airnb.

How long will you be back for? You may prefer to get a 4g Sim from Telkomsel and hotspot or tether, speed should be fine for you to play.

Citilofts, in Citywalk, may be faster. My brother stayed there a couple of weeks ago and the wifi was fast enough that he could conference call, monitor off shore survey live etc. Apartments are duplex and there is a Gold's gym in the mall.

Hi -
I was thinking about staying for 30 to 60 days. So the Telekomsel 4g should work well at Thamrin Residence? It looks like I can get a monthly rental there for about 750.00 to 1k on air nb.

Thanks for the tip about Citilofts. I'll look into that as well.

It works in my office next to Sarinah which is around 1km from Tham Res, but I haven't tried the coverage in ThamRes.

You can try and call a few letting agents direct and see if you get a better price. Thamrin Residence

Sudirman Park is next to Citilofts too and whilst older it is cheaper than both Citilofts and ThamRes. There is also Thamrin Exec and Cosmo in the same area as Thamrin Residence, you should be able to find both on the link above and negotiate directly with the agent.
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RE: Jakarta Datasheet (by Irish)
Gonna be contrarian here...

My verdict: Those venues mentioned are filled with average/ugly girls on the hunt. Immigrant is the "premier" club yes... for expats in polo shirts and the desperate chicks who love them Wink

I saw the same groups of average-looking girls across clubs during the week hooking up with different white guys every night. Just felt tacky.

Yes, you get a "novelty white guy" factor, but the genuinely cool locals and attractive, classy girls don't care. They have studied abroad and have more money than you Wink They are cool to party with but getting in these circles takes work and solid game like anywhere else.

And if you just rock up to Immi/X2/etc, you're just another tacky caucasian dude hooking up with mediocre girls who are hardcore cock carousel riders.

However, to each his own. This was just my impression, and a counterpoint to the JKT love on here.
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