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There are some attractive girls with so so looking friends who goes to immigrant. While they are harder to game, their friends are alot easier to game and although u are not getting thr top quality, its still alright and quality is good enough.

If you want the top quality, either go the social circle route, which is hard for thr short time visitor
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Go for the sheer number of approaches and hope one will stick.
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03-06-2016 02:16 PM
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Cool, that sounds about right. It's a lovely club at any rate. Shame about the general clientele, haha. But yeah I'm sure opps do exist.
03-06-2016 02:19 PM
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Hey Guys,

I plan on visiting indonesia, May 21st to June 5th. I saw that Ramadan starts June 06, ends July 05. Would this be a bad move? Do people start getting ready or prepared for Ramadan?
03-19-2016 09:03 PM
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(03-19-2016 09:03 PM)gps1976 Wrote:  Hey Guys,

I plan on visiting indonesia, May 21st to June 5th. I saw that Ramadan starts June 06, ends July 05. Would this be a bad move? Do people start getting ready or prepared for Ramadan?

Nah you'll be grand. It's BAU right up till when Ramadan kicks in, if anything people party harder a few weekends before but everything shuts down for a month

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I've seen you guys post that it's dead on Sunday, but thought ask again to make sure. My flight is coming into Jakarta at 11pm Sunday night....think i could find any ladies out n about? I only have two weeks and want to maximize my time.
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Two weeks in Jakarta sounds like an eternity.

Nightlife, I think you will only find hookers out after midnight unless you happen to arrive on a public holiday.
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I actually plan on flying over to Labuan bajo first thing monday or tuesday to scuba dive around komodo for a few days, then go to bali (seminyak), and then not sure. End of the trip ill be back in Jakarta.
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Did anyone drive a motorbike in Jakarta?
03-23-2016 01:18 PM
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Not I, and after witnessing the legendary Jakarta traffic, I would never ride a motorbike there even if I had years of experience. Taxis are cheap enough though.
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(03-23-2016 01:18 PM)Satoshi Wrote:  Did anyone drive a motorbike in Jakarta?

If you're just in town for a bit, there is no easy option to rent a motorbike (like in Bali). I drive a bike around, but I've lived here for a while so know the roads/driving etiquette etc.
Like Cleanslate mentioned, taxis are cheap, motorbike taxis are even cheaper and quicker as you can weave through the traffic. There is an app called Gojek that you can use to order motorbike taxis, but it does require an indo number and a little bit of the local lingo.
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Just had an insane trip in Indonesia with my last night (in Bandung) ending with a bitter taste in my mouth.

I think brick walls are easier to approach than Chinese-Indonesian women. They seem to only talk to their group and any outsiders are alienated. What gives?

On a VERY positive note I had an intense time in Indonesia in general. I even got achieved a proud 3 notches in the first 12 hours of being in the country. Will post a report when I get time.

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(03-27-2016 06:23 AM)UptownSloth Wrote:  Just had an insane trip in Indonesia with my last night (in Bandung) ending with a bitter taste in my mouth.

I think brick walls are easier to approach than Chinese-Indonesian women. They seem to only talk to their group and any outsiders are alienated. What gives?

On a VERY positive note I had an intense time in Indonesia in general. I even got achieved a proud 3 notches in the first 12 hours of being in the country. Will post a report when I get time.

Curious as your assessment of Chinese-Indos because I did pretty good with that group and thought they were overall more attractive and put together than native Indo girls. Care to share your ethnic background and/or where you were approaching them?
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Perhaps it was the bar I was in and the vibe I gave off. I'm white which usually goes very well with Indonesian girls because of the 'white god' factor, and perhaps I relied on this too heavily with Chinese women.

Keeping in mind whenever I went well with Indonesian women I would also be clung onto and essentially paraded around to her friends...
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Chinese social circle, especially when the dudes are spending large can be fucking brutal. Especially in second tier cities.

There are so many dynamics at play, and the women are often powerless. They will act cold because if they don't they will be slutshamed by their money grabbing whore friends and beta bitch ass Chinese straight orbiter guys that are paying the bill.

They're also in a country where the natives go from tolerant to absolute despise at the drop of a hat. Chinese groups often arrive and leave together.

With that being said, I've smashed plenty a Chinese Indo girls. Just get them outside of social circles and they'r ecompletely different.
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+3 within 12 hours as a backpacker (cheap hotels as opposed to hostels).

Around a week before arriving to Jakarta I changed my Tinder location using a fake GPS location app. I matched with around 50 women easily and I was more suprised when I didn't match with someone when I swiped. Make sure you swipe right to the ones you would consider banging, otherwise it's a logistical nightmare getting rid of the ones you won't (where I'm from I swipe right to everyone then filter them out after a match).
From Tinder, all you need to do is talk a bit and introduce yourself. It's annoying to have to explain why your location says you're so close to them when you're in another country... I wasn't bothered coming up with such an intricate lie so I just told them I'm using a fake GPS app. I wonder if anyone else here can suggest something else that sounds less creepy?
After introducing yourself and such, suggest them sending you their whatsapp/Line so you can separate yourself from the crowd. Once you get them on there, suggest a date.
I had 25 women in Jakarta's Whatsapps and was keeping them on standby.
About 2 days prior to arriving I told them I was coming and gauged replies. I lined up meeting one at her office as soon as I left the airport, another the night of arriving at a club, and another the day after. If you REALLY don't want to risk a virgin/no bang, then try to escalate on whatsapp (suggest kissing etc.), although some that I later on banged didn't really play ball over whatsapp. A good tip (especially with so many numbers) is to send selfies back and forth so that you can remember what they look like later on. Saved my ass.
I met the office woman at 9pm after finding out that the taxi driver relied on me to navigate because he didn't know shit. I escalated in the back of the taxi and got to make out quite a bit. Once I tried to put my hands on her chest or up her legs it was met with her hands pushing mine away. It is true what they say about Asian women, once you get them in the bedroom they're all yours; before that they need to be innocent to the public.
As soon as we got to my hotel which was strategically located in Central Jakarta, we had a shower and got down to business. Her bra was made out of whatever Mary Poppins' bag was, she looked like she was a B-cup from the outside, but on the inside they looked like Ds! As well as that, the nicest and tightest pussy I've ever laid my eyes on.
After my first notch, I had to kick her out as it was midnight and I was meant to be meeting my second woman in the club in 10 minutes. I felt bad kicking her out but I really didn't want to waste my 3 days in the city.
The second woman tried to get me to meet her in front of the club (Colosseum). I assume she wanted to have me pay for her entrance (200,000IDR) but I knew better than that so I told her to meet me at the bar. She walked in looking all sad and I didn't recognise her. I asked her what was wrong and she replied 'nothing' in a very 'I'm a high school girl who is way too entitled' tone. She was off to a bad start and I'm glad I didn't put her on a pedestal (my ultimate fallback). I suddenly realised this was my date and I let her get her drink.
Soon enough we were sitting at the bar listening to the music and we shared a few drinks. The music went out a few times and that was when I was actually able to talk. I swear that clubs are antisocial with the extremely loud music.
Eventually we went down for a dance and had some Chinese-Indonesian guys pour some Jack Daniels into our mouths because they wanted to fuck her. I didn't care at all; I knew I'd come out on top. Every time I'd leave her to talk with them and I'd chat with someone else, she'd message me straight away asking where I was. Never be too easy to get.
Any escalation in the club fell short of a kiss and she told me she's 'never kissed anyone in a club before' and I didn't want to push it too far.
I finally dragged her out of the club with the excuse that I was hungry. We went to my hotel and I got the notch with a bit of LMR that I knew was just her playing her 'I have something that you want' game. Shit body of a club-rat who tries to play the 'naughty' card but doesn't quite pull it off. I really didn't want to spend any more time with her after the notch so I asked her to leave which she did. Plus I had a date the next day and really didn't want to deal with her after I woke up.
After 3 hours sleep I organised to meet my third one in Grand Indonesia mall where I'd get some much needed breakfast. I enjoyed the date as I really felt no pressure to get the notch or not; we both knew it was going to happen. As soon as we got to my hotel we went straight at it. I'm glad I set up such an easy notch for the second day where I didn't really have to use any game. She said she hasn't had anyone as big as me (and I'm not that well equipped) so she was in pain a lot of the time, I ended up stopping as soon as I saw blood because that shit grosses me out. I fell asleep right after and we walked around the rest of the day.

All 3 were Indonesian and it required little effort all up. They were also Muslim so do not let that deter you at all!
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(09-12-2014 10:44 AM)bigbait Wrote:  Girls
1. I feel like the consensus on the forum is that a typical Jakarta experience is to bang an endless stream of 5s. This was not my experience. Yes, I banged a few 5s due to lapses in screening. I also banged a lot of girls who I thought were 8s and above. I feel good remembering them as I write this!
2. I loved the variety of girls in Jakarta. I banged Indonesian, Chinese and Arab girls. I banged Muslims, Catholics and Atheists. They had different looks and bodies. It was fun to bang a rail thin girl in the afternoon and a girl with huge tits at night.
3. I was able to have nine dates a week by working and planning ahead, but I had a high flake rate. It surprised me but the flakes were literally always considerate and initiated rescheduling. The best part was that almost every time that I was flaked on I found another girl for that night at the last minute. The last minute arrangements actually turned out to be some of the most memorable experiences and I was often really glad to get flaked on because it was more of an adventure.
4. Many girls seemed open to being fucked even though they have a boyfriend. They gave me their facebook even though they were posting photos of themselves hugging their boyfriend on a daily basis. I chose to avoid these girls just because I thought they might be drama.
5. It was possible for me but very annoying to have more than one date a night because traffic is so bad. Jakarta girls are usually 30-60 minutes late for anything, and they have little remorse for it because most locals are the same. Then again I was usually late too because I had no interest in waiting for them.
6. I found there was no harm in asking a girl to come to my place for the first date. If she didn't want to she didn't hold it against me and she would suggest another place.
7. Location in the city seemed to be very important. The second or third question a Jakarta girl asked me, in person or online, was usually "where are you staying".
8. It seemed to be hardest to schedule dates on Friday and Saturday since most girls seemed to go out with friends every Friday and Saturday.
9. It's normal for girls to go “clubbing” on Sundays but don't be fooled this is usually a tame night.
10. I needed a lot of numbers because girls were frequently traveling to Bali, Singapore, etc.
11. If a girl was at my place she was almost always going to fuck even if she gave zero signs of interest. This included girls who swore on the Koran that they never fuck guys on the first date.
12. I often got significant resistance to sex. I endured many long speeches about how Jakarta girls are an embarrassment to the city and white men are evil for treating Jakarta girls the way they do, only to fuck the girl shortly after.
13. I did not get cockblocked even once. In fact, a girl's friends would go out of their way to help her get laid.
14. Most people in Jakarta seem to think that it is even easier for westerners to fuck Jakarta girls than it is. They think I would walk into a club or a bar and the ayam and the chickens would walk right up and start grinding me. It still took work, or at least it did for me.
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1. I needed a system for keeping track of girls, ranking them, tracking when they are out of town, which of them have boyfriends, and if I am worried about their appearance.
2. I should have always asked for her facebook or instagram before meeting. They seemed to expect it. Even if they are hot in their photos facebook and instagram told me how old the photos were.
3. I should have always asked her to send me a photo of how she looks right now before meeting her.
4. Photos were sometimes deceiving in an unexpected way. Many of the hottest girls that I was with looked only cute in their photos.
5. I mostly met girls that have some money. These girls bought me drinks, they took taxis, they had cars and some had drivers. But I usually paid and most girls seemed to expect it.
6. I needed to redefine what "close by" to my place meant. Girls would often take hour long taxi rides to see me. A large radius helped with Tinder.
Clubs
1. It seemed like an incredible number of the guys were gay and they did not cockblock.
2. I hit on many girls who were in couples and several times the guys were very friendly and introduced me to their friends.
3. I had to try a few clubs until I found one that seemed right for me.
4. Jakarta is a huge city, but it seemed small when I went clubbing or to bars. I would often see people from previous nights.
Transportation
1. I started saving hours of my life by taking ojek during times of traffic.
2. It was crucial to keep my phone from dying when I was going to be an area I didn't know well. I needed google maps.
3. Memorizing the basic bahasa required to tell a taxi driver to go left, right, straight and slow down made my life a lot easier.
4. Memorizing the names of landmarks near where I was going made my life a lot easier. Taxi drivers rarely knew street names.
5. Taxi drivers responded well to being yelled at. They often would not listen to me unless I yelled.
6. Everyone told me to only take bluebird and express taxis, but I never had any problems when I was in sketchy taxis. Then again I yelled at them constantly so they may have thought I was a little aggressive.

Hey. I am just in Jakarta and read your post. In some points I do agree with you, in others, I want to give my opinion.

Girls:

1. Yeah, there is a lot 5s and 6s, and they are really really easy to get. Some of them I fucked after 10-30 minutes of talking.

2. Absolutely agree

3/5. Same like me in my first 2 weeks. But this fact after a couple of days really started to annoy me. Actually you could have 2 dates during weekdays, what I absolutely tried to bring into reality - but its just not possible because of the girls. If you come home at 6 or 7, and you are appointed for 7.30, it will mostly end up that you will meet at 8 or 8.30. So no bang before 9-9.30 and most of the girls go to bed early (not after 11), when they have to work the next day, so they wont show up. Flake rate very high, but they always cancell, at least. There were some occasions I waited for 30-60 minutes for girls, but they still appeared. Can imagine that there are also ones, who will tell you they cant come now. It turned also out, that planning in advance is really difficult, as people here are just very spontaneous and just dont want to plan further than one or two days. You really have to get used to that, I didnt until now, so the girls here are really pissing me off when it comes to their general attitude towards dates. Make sure your date comes close to your place and dont start, before they dont tell you they are arrived. Turn the game around.

6. Hadnt that much successwith that. Almost every girl wants to meet outside (maybe its different when you have good apartment or residence, Im living just in a single room). I think best chances for that kind of bang are on weekend, as all the horny girls are going to party both days, and if they didnt find a white cock in there + are drunk, they are more open for that. I had 2 bangs like that, both from tinder), another girls came during the week, but I couldnt fuck her.

7. I think its more about value. They oftenly drive hours for you, I think thats not that important. They just want to check out, if you are rich and have a nice accomodation. Maybe they also ask because they want to know if its possible to come there without being seen and scoffed by locals.

8. Most girls do go out yeah, but in my experience, they are more open to meet on weekend. Some of them just dont like party, some of them prefer to have a safe fuck (maybe?) and some of them take it as prep for party. I really dont like those party girls, as they are just stupid and close minded (in my opinion). I asked a girl to meet, and she was open to meet actually, but she even snobed me to ask her for meeting on weekend. It was like "What?! Its Friday night, I want to party and get drunk" -> Not really my thinking.

11. Absolutely disagree. I fucked like 6-7 out of 10 girls coming to my place. I think there are three different kind of girls in here.
1) The religious ones, suffering from strict parents. They are not going to fuck at all and most of them is still virgin. But they are still open to meet strangers, at least some of them. Its probably because they feel honoured by the interest, so they are more or less playing with you. But, of course, just degreding for you, if you maybe play your best possible game, bring them to your home and they just dont care about it. Fortunately, its not that many of them, but they are often very pretty. I think I should better chose, as those girls are mostly very sceptical concerning place of appointment and plans for the date.
2) Girls, who just want to fuck. Very much of them, mostly 5s and 6s, but also a lot of 7s and 8s (i even had a few 9s), who are a little bit harder to get, but still open to fuck on first date. There are also some of the 1) girls, who just cant resist to fuck. But they will just let you fuck in their asses (religious thing). I think, compared to the poplation, that it is just a small number of girls like that. But the city is so big, that thereis still enough. But I guess that is also why you said that you always meeting the same people. I fucked a girl from Tinder and saw her one night later in X2. I have already seen 3 girls on facebook, who have the same white friend together.
3) "Normal" girls. They want to fuck, as well - but still have their rules, and maybe are open to fuck after 2-4 dates. Takes more of effort, though. Some of them are worth it, some of them not. In some cases they will try to bring you into a relationship, before fucking - but its in most cases probably still possible to fuck anyway (but needs more effort, that I mostly didnt invest, due to the huge choice of easy girls). These girls mostly have spent some time outside of Indonesia and have western behaviour. They lie less and are the girls you should go for, if you want quality girls (concerning character and looks). Still most of them show some of the bad character things Indonesian just have.

12. Hmm, yeah - some of them show that. I think its the 3rd kind girls mostly. Freezing them out could help.

13. Made different experiences. Maybe they dont get cockblocked, but especially in clubs I have the feeling, that girls are scared in front of their friends. I have been to 2 clubs (Colosseum and X2) and as there were very less people these days, almost the whole club could see you approaching. I didnt see any hook ups in both night, although I almost went home with one girl. Also had a night, where there was an Indonesian alpha, who scared of losing his girls in the group as they showed interest in me and my white friend, so he was constantly mocking the girls. Didnt understand him but I guess it was about blaming them for wanting to have sex with us...really annoying, i tried to make him a friend...but just not possible he was ridicoulous, so we quit the group finally.



Generally, I think its everything, but paradise in here. Sure, you can fuck a lot, you can fuck hot girls and everybody here will love you. But its annoying, because its just because youre white. I was in front of immigrant and saw some arabic guys leaving with goodlooking girls. We took the same elevator and I heard what they say. They behaved like little children, even the girls they had were annoyed - but still stayed with them. I thought in this moment, that these guys wouldnt get one lay in Europe for 3 years...so yeah...if you have some looks and some communication skills, you will feel it is in many cases just too easy. Additionally, the girls of category 1) and 2) absolutely dont mind to let you wait for hours and to lie to you straight into your face. If you look for reliable girls, youre definitely wrong. I war bored by the girls here after my first week, in which I fuck 8 girls/7 days. Im here for 5 weeks now, and I stopped to date as many girls as possible already after my first week. Try to find some more quality girls in here, but thats really more of a task.

If you just want to fuck, its a good place. But be careful, many of the 2) category girls dont want too dominant guys, especially when you text with them. Be more straight, a lot of them have at least a good sense of humour, if their English is good enough to understand.
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Guys who are coming in and out, do you need to pay 35$ visa on arrival every time? Coming in yesterday the officer told me that I would put it in their system that I won't have to pay next time. Wondering if it's just me getting VIP treatment or if it's for everybody.

https://flyonward.com/en/ by the way worked great.
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I think I didn't have to pay that fee at all. Was following wikitravel but it seems to be outdates.
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Hey Guys,

there are a lot of posts of how easy it is to get laid in Jakarta. I am just starting my 4th month here and sure I have tons of tinder matches and new ones coming every day, but since I am not really interested in horny 5`s, it is not such paradise as expected and I actually still find it extremely hard to meet up with some of the good ones (8`s or 9`s). I do not find this satisfying comparing to both my results in Thailand (especially when there is much bigger Farang/Bule competition over local girls) and to the results you guys are reporting on this forum.

I will present some info about me, my results and ask for a bit of your experience.

Basic Info:
I am 27 years old white guy from Europe who decided to move his life to SE Asia. I got some street/day game experience back In Europe and was never really big fan of clubs or online game (Tinder). It changed after coming here though. But I do not enjoy texting that much and is not definitely my strong site - I would still prefer to pick some cute solid girl on the street and seduce her in a real life. This girl would have small tight ass, long legs and firm body Smile

I have one limitation that definitely has some impact on my success rate … I am quite low on budget - around 100k IDR per day for food and “fun”. Thus I cannot benefit from “rich bule” game and attract girls looking for the provider - these girls are out of my scope now. Even though my bankroll is very limited, does not mean I have poor or boring life. I can get into clubs or some “high class” events for the top 1%.

I have a motorcycle to ride around Jakarta and take girls to my place.

I simply do not mind that much getting street food during the day and in the evening suit up and go on event with Indonesian minister. To avoid misunderstandings, I do like money and good lifestyle, but in my current stage of life I have simply chosen to temporarily focus on other priorities.

Current game and results:
Tinder:
Only source of all my girls. After the match I try to get girls’ Instagram when I am not sure of her looks and then Line or WhatsApp. I usually follow up with some random chat and trying to set a date. Here are my approximate statistics when girls flake:
Matched Girls I want to meet: 100%
Get Line / WhatsApp: 80%
Reply when add them on Line or WhatsApp: 70%
Doesn’t go silent after short conversation: 50%
Agree to meet up: 30%
Actually meeting up: 10%

I lose the hottest ones usually when getting Line/WhatsApp contact or when setting up the meeting.

I have also experienced quite long respond times - everyone in Asia has a phone in their hand 24/7 and check it all the time - not sure if its some kind of game from their side, low attraction or they are gaming guys they consider better first. Recently I’ve started to call them instead of texting, but does not seem to make any difference, flake rate is still same.

A lot of girls cancel the meeting in last moment by not replying or suddenly being with friends, family or out of Jakarta for the weekend (Bali, Singapore), etc…

But when I finally meet some girl, getting her to my place is the easiest part.

Daygame:
I tried a bit of daygame, since that is what I have been practicing back in Europe, but not so good results though. Mostly because of language barrier or they were too shy (looked like it but not sure what was the real reason). I did direct approaches, maybe too straight forward for Asians.

I started learning Bahasa, so I am able to maintain some basic conversation and not frighten them by English within the first seconds.

Clubs:
Been to immigrant few times but not really liked the atmosphere nor the girls there … Clubs were never my thing though.

Social Circle:
Basically none. I tried to make friends out of few girls I met on Tinder and did not find them cute enough to bang. Problem is they obviously like me and do not want me to meet and hangout with their friends. I do not want to hangout with coworkers due to the work reputation.

What I am looking for:
I am currently tired of Tinder, because I do not feel like the results correspond to effort and time spent. I am also not really interested in smashing average chicks. I am aiming for one quality 8 or 9 for some kind of relationship … the one that does not play Tinder while I am on the toilet between sessions. Some girl I can take for the weekend trip on motorcycle and she would not feel like its below her level and as well has some style and is able to dress well to go out to some fancy event or club.

I know this is Jakarta and there are not many of them, but there are some … I met them at work or seen at social circles where I could not play. But I have no idea where to meet and game them … thought mall will be the good idea, but as mentioned approaches there did not turn out very well.

Conclusion:
I know in Jakarta money and social level are the No. 1. I am acknowledged that with low budget I cannot aim for top ones every week and also cannot maintain same lifestyle with them. I think I am aiming for that small group of middle class girls, who can speak some English, are not religious and are not spoiled by attention and easy lays on Tinder.

As everywhere there must be some hidden gems that might appreciate western mindset and maybe some “bule social proof” I can provide. I managed to find them in Thailand, so there must be ways how to do so here as well …

Any advice regarding my situation will be welcomed. I also wrote down some questions I think might help:

Do you have any experience in getting some “good” girl for long term relationship here?
Do you have any experience in gaming girls with lower budget in Jakarta?
Do you have any experience with daygame in English (limited knowledge of Bahasa) … do you know anyone who is currently here and performs daygame?
What are your results using TInder, how do you make the 8¨s and 9¨s to meet up with you?

And of course, if you are in Jakarta and want to meet up for game or just a beer, let me know Smile
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Solid first post, welcome to the forum.

(05-15-2016 07:57 AM)Barbar Wrote:  Hey Guys,

there are a lot of posts of how easy it is to get laid in Jakarta. I am just starting my 4th month here and sure I have tons of tinder matches and new ones coming every day, but since I am not really interested in horny 5`s, it is not such paradise as expected and I actually still find it extremely hard to meet up with some of the good ones (8`s or 9`s). I do not find this satisfying comparing to both my results in Thailand (especially when there is much bigger Farang/Bule competition over local girls) and to the results you guys are reporting on this forum.

When I was there my Tinder was bursting with the sheer quantity of matches I got. However I also feel it takes more to bang the real quality on Tinder. I banged couple of girls from Tinder there but none of them really impressed me as a whole. One girl had a body of a 9-10 no kidding, but a face of a 5 or 6. It took some precedent pipelining though to meet that girl. It felt like smashing an up-tier model in my bedroom with dimmed lights, but as soon as the lights were on the look of her face didn't give me too much pleasure. Another one was the biggest slut I've ever met in my life. Her looks are nothing to write home about (again the face lowers her overall quality) but she would send me videos and pictures of her masturbating of getting banged by other guys all the time. We set up a sex-date right away without any bullshit. Anyways in my opinion Jakarta is still a quantity smash paradise rather than the ideal place to find cute LTR-suitable chicks.

(05-15-2016 07:57 AM)Barbar Wrote:  Tinder:
Only source of all my girls. After the match I try to get girls’ Instagram when I am not sure of her looks and then Line or WhatsApp. I usually follow up with some random chat and trying to set a date. Here are my approximate statistics when girls flake:
Matched Girls I want to meet: 100%
Get Line / WhatsApp: 80%
Reply when add them on Line or WhatsApp: 70%
Doesn’t go silent after short conversation: 50%
Agree to meet up: 30%
Actually meeting up: 10%

I lose the hottest ones usually when getting Line/WhatsApp contact or when setting up the meeting.

I have also experienced quite long respond times - everyone in Asia has a phone in their hand 24/7 and check it all the time - not sure if its some kind of game from their side, low attraction or they are gaming guys they consider better first. Recently I’ve started to call them instead of texting, but does not seem to make any difference, flake rate is still same.

A lot of girls cancel the meeting in last moment by not replying or suddenly being with friends, family or out of Jakarta for the weekend (Bali, Singapore), etc…

But when I finally meet some girl, getting her to my place is the easiest part.

It seems like your text game or phone game is not on point with other parts of game. You say it is not a problem getting the girl back to your place once you meet her; Apparently you should try to give girls a chance to see your real qualities way more. You got competition online with other attractive white dudes, even in places like Jakarta. And it's not where you find the quality. I know you don't like daygame in Jakarta too much. But hey, it's a numbers game. As far as I've seen, these malls get packed with many hot girls on the weekend. Simply because there is not much better places to hang out in Jakarta than the malls. Do mass-approaching! Of course not too obvious that everyone knows what you are doing... But these girls will give out their numbers relatively easy to a well-behaved and well-dressed bule. Approach and make the best out of the hijab girls and non-english speakers too. Why not get the number of a hot non-english speaking girl? You can teach her English, she will teach you Bahasa. Since these girls experienced so few western influence or attention they will happily give you their number and be proud of their new bule "friend". I'd say keep approaches short and light and ALWAYS go for the number. In the end of the day you can go through your numbers and evaluate their follow-up potential. You already have a huge advantage now; simply because they have a real-life impression of you and you had the balls to go up to them in public and didn't give up even if their English-skills were poor.

I banged hot girls in Asia I couldn't have a conversation with. But I didn't give a fuck, just proceeded with escalation while talking English to them (even though they don't understand) or let them teach me their local language. It can be really fun and cause laughing moments.

(05-15-2016 07:57 AM)Barbar Wrote:  I tried a bit of daygame, since that is what I have been practicing back in Europe, but not so good results though. Mostly because of language barrier or they were too shy (looked like it but not sure what was the real reason). I did direct approaches, maybe too straight forward for Asians.

I started learning Bahasa, so I am able to maintain some basic conversation and not frighten them by English within the first seconds.

Again, language barrier is not really an excuse Wink
If I were you I wouldn't do direct approaches there. I would rather approach them very innocently, asking for directions like a certain store in the mall. At first it comes across like your main purpose of talking to her is of informative content. The player-image of white guys in Asia is strong, therefore try to make it subtle at the initial approach.
You speak some Bahasa! Great! Approach her with your Bahasa skills, ask for her number... You will have success. I'm sure you would get a lot of surprised and amazed looks of these girls if you only know a few sentences in their local language. That's what I experienced with my limited Japanese and very limited Thai language skills.

(05-15-2016 07:57 AM)Barbar Wrote:  Clubs:
Been to immigrant few times but not really liked the atmosphere nor the girls there … Clubs were never my thing though.

I agree with you that the club scene in Jakarta kinda sucks compared to other major Asian cities. It's way too expensive and the girls are nowhere near as easy as Indonesian are supposed to be. It could be a good place to meet hi-so girls though if you have a really thick bankroll.

(05-15-2016 07:57 AM)Barbar Wrote:  Social Circle:
Basically none. I tried to make friends out of few girls I met on Tinder and did not find them cute enough to bang. Problem is they obviously like me and do not want me to meet and hangout with their friends. I do not want to hangout with coworkers due to the work reputation.

How about making local guy friends (even gay guys)? They will give you access to their hot female friends.

And how about going on a weekend trip to Bandung or even Yogya? Trains are cheap as fuck and it should be possible to find cheap accomodation too. Do some solid pipelining on Tinder before you hit these second-tier cities. I'm telling you, Tinder there is different. Low quantity but some high quality girls who would happily spend some time with a good-looking bule.

To be clear, my Jakarta experience is based on a rather short trip to the city. However I spent quite some time in other parts of Indonesia and Asia throughout the last few years.

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(05-15-2016 09:17 AM)RedGuard Wrote:  Another one was the biggest slut I've ever met in my life. Her looks are nothing to write home about (again the face lowers her overall quality) but she would send me videos and pictures of her masturbating of getting banged by other guys all the time. We set up a sex-date right away without any bullshit.

Everytime I read something like this about a girl in a major Southeast Asian city, I feel like I know exactly which girl it is Laugh
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(05-15-2016 12:32 PM)RagnarLothbrok Wrote:  
(05-15-2016 09:17 AM)RedGuard Wrote:  Another one was the biggest slut I've ever met in my life. Her looks are nothing to write home about (again the face lowers her overall quality) but she would send me videos and pictures of her masturbating of getting banged by other guys all the time. We set up a sex-date right away without any bullshit.

Everytime I read something like this about a girl in a major Southeast Asian city, I feel like I know exactly which girl it is Laugh

I also have a feeling I might know the girl he's talking about. I didn't let her film me or take pictures though.
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Haha send me a PM with the girl's name guys. We might be eskimo brothers Banana

The funny thing is that the language and dirty enthusiasm she used when texting me didn't correspond at all to her behaviour when I actually met her. She was calm, submissive and almost shy! When we got to my apartment and I closed the door she asked me with a quiet voice "Can I first smoke on the balcony or do you wanna fuck me right now?".

Oh well... Memories that hurt since I'm back to Europe Cry
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Nice report Barbar, and welcome to the forum. It's nice to read a more 'honest' report on Jakarta for once as although the place has the rep on the forum of being apparently super easy, it doesn't concur with a lot of the feedback I have received privately. And also what I have seen with my own eyes.

As a Jakarta regular I can confirm although it is a personal pussy paradise for me and my particular style/age/circumstances, however it really isn't for everyone. Particularly the younger more budget conscious RVFer rolling solo. There have been a few lads come over and have had a rip roaring time but they've usually been older and had the wedge to roll in the more expensive higher end venues. In addition I have met up with a lot of them and provided a solid social circle shoe-in from the off. It's hard not to have a good time when you're rolling each night with the top table in the best club with a bunch of hot fun chicks to play with.

However I don't get to go over and meet everyone who gets in touch with me, but I stay in touch with them over PM and/or whatsapp to provide advise and tips etc as well as general chit-chat. What I have found is often guys will paint a rosy picture on the forum of how they killed it but then let me know privately over PM/whatsapp that in reality it was a lot more tough going than they may have made out. Not gonna name any names but it has certainly been more than a couple of lads, and it was usually (tho not exclusively) the younger guys who struggled the most.

The thing is, and I have noticed this about other SE Asian cities as well, a place will develop a reputation for being 'easy' etc but will have long since been played out to the point that it's no better than anywhere else. However, guys will be hesitant to report back that they didn't find it all that easy/good for fear of looking like they 'failed'. Hence will either say nothing or put a very positive spin on their experience. It's nice to read a more open and honest report of someone's Jakarta experience on the open forum for once as opposed to solely privately to my inbox/whatsapp for fear of ridicule from a load of strangers on the internet.

Expense is usually the number 1 complaint, and yes the clubs (and drinks) are very pricey. I live in Singapore, hence everywhere else in the world seems cheap for a drink for me. But even I still find it can add up at the end of the night in JKT. It's hard to relax and enjoy yourself whenever you know you are blowing your budget out of the water every night out. Also more and more I am finding guys reporting back that they have found club game tough going, particularly when rolling solo. Most gave up and regressed back to tinder, where they were still able to get results but it wasn't anything better quality nor quantity wise than compared to the likes of Thailand or Philippines.

I do well enough in JKT myself but mainly as I am in the demographic which works best for the place, ie mid-30s with a penchant for suiting up, rocking the higher end venues and dropping a bit of cash for bottle service. More importantly I am a regular visitor and have laid solid ground work social circle wise.

It's a small scene and often a lot of people know eachother. The higher end girls are less likely to hook up with some random dude who's there on his own (no matter how white/bule he is). For sure they're far from impossible, but they're not going to be backflipping onto your dick the moment you set foot in the club neither. This however appears to be at odds to the expectation of a lot of guys who have shown up it seems, (and some believe it or not have even demanded I give them an explanation). I recall saying the place was good for hot chicks, I don't recall saying the place was 'easy'. And sure being white helps insofar it gives you an extra couple points, but not the whole-club-stops-and-stares-at-you-in-awe white god factor. There's plenty of white guys/bule kicking about, so you'll need to have your shit together to some extent at least if you want to pick up any sort of quality worth writing home about.

(05-15-2016 09:17 AM)RedGuard Wrote:  
(05-15-2016 07:57 AM)Barbar Wrote:  Clubs:
Been to immigrant few times but not really liked the atmosphere nor the girls there … Clubs were never my thing though.

I agree with you that the club scene in Jakarta kinda sucks compared to other major Asian cities. It's way too expensive and the girls are nowhere near as easy as Indonesian are supposed to be. It could be a good place to meet hi-so girls though if you have a really thick bankroll.

Since Dragonfly went from literally the best club I'd ever been in, to yet another venue for the insular Chinese crowd to show off who can buy the most bottles of whiskey, the scene in Jakarta has taken a hit. For sure there are still plenty of venues where you can party hard, but DF was the best club bar far for picking up. Was. Further to what RedGuard was saying (I'm presuming you are in a similar age group ie mid 20s?) I can't think of any real decent clubs for the younger crowd bar maybe X2 and Fable. I have been in both and wasn't blown away, especially recently. Certainly there isn't anywhere that competes with the likes of Route66 and the RCA in Bangkok, although those sort of venues really aren't my scene any more. So I can't really judge. On top of that the nightlife really is dead midweek bar perhaps Wednesday night (but even then most places are only half full)

So in conclusion, I would still recommend the place - if you're a 30s+ guy who's making decent bank and likes the higher end club scene (and prepared to throw down the necessary wedge for it). Preferably also someone who is moving there medium to long term and prepared to develop and grow a solid social circle. However, if you're a guy in his 20s and/or particularly travelling on a budget who wants to spend a couple of weeks on a solo bang mission, you would be much better served going to Bangkok/Thailand (or Philippines).

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