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RE: Mother wants to expose her nakedness to sons so they can see a "real woman"
(09-14-2014 02:24 PM)Tigre Wrote:  
(09-14-2014 12:40 PM)CRR Wrote:  that will certainly scar them for life.

What convinces you that it scars them for life?

In some countries this is normal. Nordic saunas, Japanese hot springs, indigenous cultures. Can you point to any study that shows it's harmful to children?

Humans have biological safeguards that prevent sexual attraction towards people that grew up under the same roof (sisters, mother etc).

I've read somewhere that it's a hormone that is developed when in close proximity with someone for a long time. I wonder if that explains why marriages often devolve into friendships?

There have been cases of twin brother/sisters being raised separately, not knowing the other existed, then meeting and falling in love unknowingly, and that when they find out, it doesn't really matter to them. Hormones are an interesting thing.

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(09-14-2014 04:13 PM)Billy Chubbs Wrote:  100 Things About Me That Only I Give A Fuck About, complete with this narcissistic picture as the header:
Billy, you left off some of the title.

If you just went off this picture, you'd be left with a false impression:

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^ Women and their moronic belief that wearing glasses makes them look 'intelligent'.

It's very different to a girl who simply wears glasses.
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cattle rustler would bang easily. This chick can't get more Jocasta.

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RE: Mother wants to expose her nakedness to sons so they can see a "real woman"
(09-14-2014 07:35 PM)jariel Wrote:  
(09-14-2014 04:13 PM)Billy Chubbs Wrote:  100 Things About Me That Only I Give A Fuck About, complete with this narcissistic picture as the header:
Billy, you left off some of the title.

If you just went off this picture, you'd be left with a false impression:

[Image: Rita-Templeton.jpeg]

My bad. Rest of the title didn't appear in the thumbnail I saw. Either way, what a classy gal. I wonder if I should go through and see how many posts about her kids this mom-me blogger has actually written. I have a feeling most of them will be along the lines of "so like, i decided to wear my crushed velvet top for drinks wit the bffs (the blue cute 1) and OMG not even FIVE!!! minutes after i put it on tyson gets pudding ALL OVER IT WHIEL IM TRYING TO FEED HIM HIS SNACK1!! mommy needed a few stiff ones with the gals after that Sad "
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RE: Mother wants to expose her nakedness to sons so they can see a "real woman"
I don't see anything wrong with this either. While I'd raise eyebrows if the woman was purposely parading in front of her children constantly and forcing them to sit and stare at her for the sake of exposing her flesh and giving them a dose of "reality," that doesn't seem to be the case. She just doesn't hide nakedness in her home (i.e. not bothering with the bathroom door or hiding as she changes a shirt or bra or both).

If you grew up in a "normal" home, perhaps that seems strange enough as it is.

Not to me. I grew up in a home like hers. It's different, but it's also very human.

My mom was the hippy/biker type, and I saw her tits plenty of times growing up. Never once did it seem like a strange, gross, or sexual thing to me. We also had a family swimming hole where we went skinny-dipping, and my mom's friends would come along. Sure I observed their bodies from a curiosity standpoint, observing the differences. Maybe as I got older, I even checked her friends out a little bit, but no more than I checked out older women with their clothes on - because nakedness was normalized enough to me that it wasn't a huge deal or something I obsessed over.

I also remember the men she dated would go skinny-dipping with us, and at least one never bothered with clothes when walking through the house everyday to the shower, rocking the schlong. He wasn't embarassed about his nakedness (again, these were hippy/biker types), but nor was there any sexual reference or questionable behavior on his part in the five or six years he and his kids lived with us.

Many of my mom's friends were the same way. You show up to their home even today and some fat biker, mountain man walks out of the shower, he isn't going to go beet red and dash back into the bathroom to cover up. Their generation was different than ours (at least where I grew up). Nowadays, dudes act like they're going to catch a case of gay if they accidentally spot another guy's pecker or fight back an urge to mount their own mom if they spot her nipple. Just a change in culture is all.

My mom even let us put pictures of topless women on our bedroom walls when I was in junior high. She drew the line at pussy spreads, but she didn't hate on us for digging some boob shots. You may not have grown up in a family like this, but surely you bumped into them and know the free-living type.

For another thing, the women also does have a point that as much as we love a flawless broad in a magazine spread, it's not exactly a realistic standard, even in a country that's not as obese as America. I'm not going to look it up right now, but I seem to remember reading about studies showing how images portrayed in the media actually contribute to both men and women struggling to find satisfaction with the person they are actually with. Shrug it off if you embrace the player lifestyle, fine, but acknowledging that most of us will at some point end up in long-term, managomous relationships, these warped standards contribute to a certain level of unhappiness and lack of ability to appreciate what we've got.

The glory of a 10 aside, we all know the ridiculous lengths advertisers go to present models in the light they do, and it does warp our tastes a bit and affect our life satisfaction.

Lest you get me wrong, I want to make it clear that I don't think we should all be forced to be attracted to women who aren't toned and rocking curves in all the right places, accepting every body as equally aesthetic like feminists want to force everyone to do. That's just bullshit.

But I don't think this woman is pretending there aren't different grades of attractiveness either. She writes, "I want them to know that this is the norm, not the nipped-tucked-and-digitally-enhanced images they're going to be bombarded with. Sure, they'll gawk at those bouncy boobies and flat stomachs and perky butts... but I have hope that, deep down inside, they'll know that isn't the standard to which they should hold women's bodies.”

So, she wants her kids to have balance, but she's not fooling herself they won't still be attracted to perfection or insisting they encourage obesity. I think that's a healthy approach. How many men will grow up to always have perfection at their sides? Even if you land the hottest woman in your city, a day will come when her tits will sag, and if she has children, she will have stretch marks and some flab in undesirable places. Even in her prime, she will not look good 24/7.

So unless you decided to be a bachelor for life, which most men even here probably will not pull off, a time will come when you'll need to accept that what you're fucking is less than perfect (hell, even if you do pull it off).

And children growing up in a society that always hides the female body, so that he only sees these unrealistic versions, might find himself disappointed or confused when the real thing fails to live up to the hype.

Not a big enough deal to sit the kid in a chair and force him to stare at his mom's naked flab all the time, but if such a realization influences her decision to embrace the naked body in her home, you won't see me calling CPS on her. America was supposed to be a free country, remember? And that includes a wide range of living philosophies based on a wide range of ideas considered "normal."

Her philosophies might be strange to you, but when it comes down to it, we're all animals that are born without our clothes on. As a society, we've made the choice to cover ourselves with artifical garments, and that's fine. Because of this cultural conditioning, many of you outright disagree with her.

But it doesn't mean we should ostracize anyone who doesn't feel the need to shame the natural human form and suggest she is some kind of sexual freak.

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(09-15-2014 04:16 AM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  I don't see anything wrong with this either. ...

If you grew up in a "normal" home, perhaps that seems strange enough as it is.

Not to me. I grew up in a home like hers. It's different, but it's also very human.

My mom was the hippy/biker type, and I saw her tits plenty of times growing up.

@Borders - what you describe is a rather charming free-spirit attitude that the Hippies had. They did not do this out of exposing their sons to "what a real woman looks like" within the entire fat-acceptance context. The Hippie-moms were a lot slimmer and less deluded than the current generation.

As far as expectations go - yes exposing yourself to teen porn and glamour models non-stop will lower your desire for your wife. But seriously it is not that difficult to find a pretty girl who has a strong desire to be slim and sexy for you by eating healthy and working out. I did it with girls I know and I have friends who openly stressed that point even before having children with those women. And they do work out and are slim. Actually women like being slim and sexy - a man just has to put down his foot early in the relationship.

And @Borders - you forget that even a male 9 is happy fucking his 6.5 slim wife, if she is highly attractive for him to begin with. Men are simple creatures - give us a sexy slim woman who is feminine and supportive of us and we can live with that.

The expectations of women are by far more difficult to satisfy, when the whole media machine is showing them lifestyles of wealthy famous women, they imagine that they would be the most happy with.
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RE: Mother wants to expose her nakedness to sons so they can see a "real woman"
American culture has to be up near the top of the list alongside our Islamic friends when it comes to prudishness about the human body.

We are not far behind.

Europeans are heading your way too.

These are not steps in the right direction.
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(09-15-2014 05:25 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  
(09-15-2014 04:16 AM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  I don't see anything wrong with this either. ...

If you grew up in a "normal" home, perhaps that seems strange enough as it is.

Not to me. I grew up in a home like hers. It's different, but it's also very human.

My mom was the hippy/biker type, and I saw her tits plenty of times growing up.

@Borders - what you describe is a rather charming free-spirit attitude that the Hippies had. They did not do this out of exposing their sons to "what a real woman looks like" within the entire fat-acceptance context. The Hippie-moms were a lot slimmer and less deluded than the current generation.

A large part of what hippies did and do is based in rejecting the paradigms of society and embracing a more natural life more in tune with the reality of the human condition - and that includes embracing the human form, even if it's not always pretty.

I personally think being fat should be exposed as the unhealthy destruction of the body that it is, but I assure you that many hippies would agree with this woman's reasoning and that it's a big part of why they are not shy about being naked, no matter what they look like.

Outsiders might see the hippy lifestyle as "charming," but there are typically real life philosophies behind their behaviors, some of which are (or may be) ludicrious and others which make some great sense.

Secondly, then and now there were plenty of hippy moms that weren't slim, both young and old. Again, obesity should be discouraged, but I doubt there was ever some utopian time for society where all women were thin, toned, and attractive. Maybe a lot more of them were, but not all, and the older women got the more they let themselves go, especially once their priority shifted from trying to find a mate to trying to be a mother.

I've been living in Asian countries for nearly 20% of my life, for example, and I assure you that even in places with a reputation for slim bodies, there are plenty of women who you would not want to see naked. It's just a fact of life that the majority of people are ugly and unattractive - just walk into any room that is not pre-selected for attractiveness and have a look around.

This isn't to say that America doesn't have a major problem with the current generations and obesity, and I want a woman as trim and proper as the rest of you.

But I think it's downright silly to pretend the rest of them don't exist. Life is not a sterile process, and we will never live in a sterile world free of defects. Personally, it doesn't bother me when I go to a biker run, for instance, and 80% of the women flopping their melons out to my "show us your tits" sign are fat old harpies. I grin, take a photo, and maybe even give them a hug.

I don't want to bang them, but I'm not going to insist they keep their clothes on because they're not a 7 or higher either. Life's too short for that attitude.

Quote:As far as expectations go - yes exposing yourself to teen porn and glamour models non-stop will lower your desire for your wife. But seriously it is not that difficult to find a pretty girl who has a strong desire to be slim and sexy for you by eating healthy and working out. I did it with girls I know and I have friends who openly stressed that point even before having children with those women. And they do work out and are slim. Actually women like being slim and sexy - a man just has to put down his foot early in the relationship.

All that's fine. And I plan to always have a thin woman - if I get married, you can bet I will do everything in my power to make my disapproval known if she lets herself go. I always give shit to girlfriends who start putting on pounds and reel it in before it becomes a problem.

But I don't consider my ability to pull or control women average, and the average guy will not have it like me. I've always had above average women because of this, and if your woman always stays thin and attractive, you have an above average woman.

Also, back to Asians, many are thin, but after kids and such, have torn up stomachs and sagging breasts. More of them make it through the bearing of children without the damage than is the case with bigger women, but plenty of them don't. As they get older, the breasts will definitely hang eventually. That's a simple fact of life.

I just think it's ludicrous to act like women whose bodies aren't some kind of ideal should have some legal or moral obligation to conceal it from their own children. I mean, come on...

Even worse, some people in this thread seem to be insinuating that a woman getting naked in front of her children is some type of sexual deviancy just because her behavior is based on her belief that kids should have a natural expectation of what a naked human looks like. The accusation is nonsense and purely based in a cultural hang-up.

I don't want to sleep with fat, flabby moms, but whether or not they want to walk around their house naked with the kids home is the least of my concerns about their parenting. I'm more worried she'll teach them shitty eating habits, to be honest.

Quote:And @Borders - you forget that even a male 9 is happy fucking his 6.5 slim wife, if she is highly attractive for him to begin with. Men are simple creatures - give us a sexy slim woman who is feminine and supportive of us and we can live with that.

True. On top of that, plenty of men are happy fucking their slightly overweight wives - so much so that "curvy women," who are often actually fat, are even idealized by men now in American society. Other societies as well.

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RE: Mother wants to expose her nakedness to sons so they can see a "real woman"
The direction of running around naked in front of your children?
no, it is not steps in the right direction.
So sick of leftists and hippies disrespecting our culture
As if everything American should be discarded
"But they do it in Europe!"
So fucking what? That's over there. If you want to be a European, then fucking go to Europe and leave us out of it

This is not just a rant on the pedophile in the OP, but of this whole flippant notion of "pft. oh, that's just American culture"
pft. oh, well fuck you too.
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(09-15-2014 08:07 AM)Muk Wrote:  The direction of running around naked in front of your children?
no, it is not steps in the right direction.
So sick of leftists and hippies disrespecting our culture
As if everything American should be discarded
"But they do it in Europe!"
So fucking what? That's over there. If you want to be a European, then fucking go to Europe and leave us out of it

This is not just a rant on the pedophile in the OP, but of this whole flippant notion of "pft. oh, that's just American culture"
pft. oh, well fuck you too.

So you think all women in the pioneering days, when our culture began, went to extremes to make sure their children never caught a sight of their breasts? Possibly some did as the male children aged, but all of them?

We're talking about what people do inside their homes here, not about letting women walk around in public without a shirt on a day-to-day basis.

As for you apparently getting offended by cultural criticisms, lighten up. There's nothing wrong with questioning your culture - in fact, it's imperative in finding yourself, and what is a "red pill" if not trying to see beyond what your society teaches you? What is this entire manosphere movement if not the challenge of cultural norms? What is the player lifestyle if not looking beyond the paradigms handed to you in order to build a different type of life than most people live, or at least gain some awareness of your reality?

Do you feel other cultures have some things wrong? Your tone suggests that you most definitely do. Well, how do you expect citizens from those cultures to ever realize it if they don't even possess enough critical thinking skills to think outside the box?

When people point to what other countries find normal, it's merely to point out that nothing is concrete and we shouldn't get caught up in absolutes. It's a reminder that you should always question whether you believe the things you do because you were taught to or because it's somehow "right or wrong." Because people who are too caught up in their own culture, who lack the experience of how others do things, get caught up in the idea that their learned beliefs are somehow universal. Which often couldn't be further from the truth.

On a completely different note, and not to be a dick, but use some punctuation in your sentences if you want to stick around the forum. Just trying to help. A guy just got banned for that (presumably) a day or so ago.

EDIT: Noticed not all your sentences are like that. Still...

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RE: Mother wants to expose her nakedness to sons so they can see a "real woman"
Will the boys grow up to be Alphas or weird Omegas?

Don't debate me.
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RE: Mother wants to expose her nakedness to sons so they can see a "real woman"
(09-14-2014 09:31 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  Father exposes himself to his daughters so they can see what a "real man" looks like.

Father goes to prison and is shamed nation wide in the media as a sex offender and child molester.

And even after the 15 years he will spend in jail,
afterwards his whole life is pretty much f**ked forever.

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