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(09-15-2014 05:16 AM)mikado Wrote:  Feisbook Control

The difference is that I did not come here to steal French's possessions and freedom
Which is what the colons did in Africa.

And by that logic almost no American today deserve to be called American, because the Indian natives are the True Americans.
They are only guests.

BS logic.

Yea Feisbook! Colonialism was really bad so those evil Europeans deserve to have their nations slowly taken from them by Arab & African immigrants! They need to embrace multiculturalism! So what if Swedes or the French eventually become minorities in their native homelands? They'll be better for it.

Same with those stupid Americans! They deserve to have their countries taken from them by Central Americans because their ancestors are evil people and took the land from the Native Americans! So Americans should embrace the same immigration policy that Native Americans had. It will work out well for them in the end... just like it did for the Native Americans.

Seriously mikado, you sound like a Cultural Marxist. You decry colonialism, yet praise multiculturalism. Multiculturalism is just colonialism in reverse.
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(09-15-2014 04:38 AM)mikado Wrote:  So basically they are being elected just because they are afraid of immigrants, who want to take over their country ( or even Europe) and are stealing all the resources that the locals deserve more.
Not because they want to solve economic problems, education ones, etc etc

In my mind, Sweden doesn't have any economic or educational problems. It is the 12th best country in the world by Human Development Index, 13th best country by GDP PPP per capita, 17th best by Education Index, 2nd best by Income Equality, and 9th by Life Expectancy. The country produces a whooping 48% of its energy from renewable sources and has recently ran out of garbage.

We're talking literally paradise on Earth here. Despite some problems with crazy feminist policies, it is one of the best countries in the world to live in. I'd move there in a heartbeat if I could.

The only problem Sweden seems to have is the influx of maladapted immigrants and refugees, which is threatening to destroy the economic/cultural miracle Sweden has created.

Are Swedish politics dominated by spiking unemployment, energy crisis, falling of educational achievement, or tremendous corruption scandals that are "more important" than the immigration issue? I'm betting no.

I may be guilty of idolizing the Nordic countries too much, coming from an immensely corrupt country with a bleak future like Croatia. But I just don't see these "economic problems, education ones" that you're talking about.

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(09-15-2014 12:29 AM)Blick Mang Wrote:  Europeans tend to view the right through a different lens than the left. If a party isn't blindly pro-mass immigration, the general public thinks they're fascists and Nazis, while any degree of political extreme on the left is still viewed as inherently "good" because they put third world vegetable vendors before tax paying natives. It's the same sickening discussion here in Germany, where keeping Germany for the Germans or Sweden for the Swedes is considered racist.

In other words, a shift to the right (particularly with immigration) means a restoration of common sense, not a return to Nazism.

That's true, Sweden has experienced a dramatic shift of the overton window left. Hence sanity looks like Nazism or the coming of the pale-faced Taliban.
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(09-15-2014 07:24 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  
(09-15-2014 04:38 AM)mikado Wrote:  So basically they are being elected just because they are afraid of immigrants, who want to take over their country ( or even Europe) and are stealing all the resources that the locals deserve more.
Not because they want to solve economic problems, education ones, etc etc

In my mind, Sweden doesn't have any economic or educational problems. It is the 12th best country in the world by Human Development Index, 13th best country by GDP PPP per capita, 17th best by Education Index, 2nd best by Income Equality, and 9th by Life Expectancy. The country produces a whooping 48% of its energy from renewable sources and has recently ran out of garbage.

We're talking literally paradise on Earth here. Despite some problems with crazy feminist policies, it is one of the best countries in the world to live in. I'd move there in a heartbeat if I could.

The only problem Sweden seems to have is the influx of maladapted immigrants and refugees, which is threatening to destroy the economic/cultural miracle Sweden has created.

Are Swedish politics dominated by spiking unemployment, energy crisis, falling of educational achievement, or tremendous corruption scandals that are "more important" than the immigration issue? I'm betting no.

I may be guilty of idolizing the Nordic countries too much, coming from an immensely corrupt country with a bleak future like Croatia. But I just don't see these "economic problems, education ones" that you're talking about.

Are you sure?
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The real problem in Sweden

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I'm deeply involved in this debate here. I could write a whole novel full of posts about it.

For years I've defended this party on facebook and on my blog under my real name and everything. Also on some sites like Avpixlat which other Swedish members here will know about. I have done this even though I don't agree with all of their proposals. Predictably and absurdly I've been called a racist for it multiple times. So, like Vicious today, I have also been vindicated.

One of my many points is that the strategy of the PC establishments (both other parties and the media) against the Sweden Democrats have had the following results:

1. The Sweden Democrats have more than doubled their support compared to last elections
2. The REAL racism has also increased - as evident by the many nazi demonstrations in recent months
3. There has been a general paralysis on important issues such as terrorism, crime and segregation

Many people are not primarily interested in actually defeating the SD. They are more interested in getting "likes" and receiving their "antiracist" credit.

Most Sweden Democrats would fit into RVF like a hand in glove. I say this with the important reservation that I recognize the manosphere isn't or shouldn't be a place exclusively for immigration sceptics. I am a sceptic of mass immigration and multiculturalism myself (mostly because of historic and biological reasons - countless genocides and what happens when a wolf trespasses the territory of another wolf) but at the same time I don't want to close the door at someone in need and who can't get help in their own region. Several good friends of mine are immigrants. When thinking about immigration the key question for me personally is to whom the country belonged to first. Then common sense should obviously apply. I will make a longer post where I will elaborate further on this.

Are there racists in the SD? Sure. Is the party racist? Very much open to debate. They are very stigmatized though. As things stand now, the right (by Swedish standards) actually have majority together with SD. But they still prefer to hand over power to the left rather than to cooperate with SD. Otherwise the political correctness (which they themselves have helped to foment) would come back and kick them in their ass.

But yeah SD are pretty red pill and besides all their sound arguments I'm also very much drawn to them because of their anti-establishment, no-nonsense profile. I agree with them on a lot of things though like I said not everything. They're absolutely KILLING it in the debates too. For Swedish speakers only but well worth watching because of the smack-downs of the feminism:

My favourite SD representative Kenth Ekeroth debating positive discrimination in the firefighting authorities against the Defense Minister
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHBgrz7Ondw

The president of the Youth league of SD Gustav Kasselstrand (seen in a video earlier in this thread) who is also brilliant. Here answering questions in what is virtually an interrogation about the "racist" scandals:
http://www.expressen.se/tv/nyheter/polit...et-sattet/

Kasselstrand again debating immigration policy in Sweden. Note how the journalist (who is supposed to be a neutral) has to stop herself from siding with the liberal
http://www.expressen.se/tv/nyheter/polit...nspolitik/

By the way, Vicious post nr 20 in this thread is correct that many posts about Sweden (mainly on sites like Heartiste) are laughable. I would personally add though, that Sweden is still very much a feminist country like all Western countries. The Feminist party is locked out of Parliament. But that doesn't mean that there is no feminism in Sweden. This evil ideology has penetrated all parties - even Moderaterna which is the main leftish party (considered right in Sweden) that has upheld the government for the last 8 years. This is evident in their embracing of positive discrimination for the fire department of all places. Many other parties and prominent politicians are themselves feminists as well, both in discourse and actual policy. Media is generally more or less feminist too, many times very much so.
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(09-15-2014 04:38 AM)mikado Wrote:  I read carefully almost all the anti immigration messages on this forum. Most of you are not even pushing for a stricter control of immigration. You are pushing for NO IMMIGRATION AT ALL. Of course, that's only one-sided. You on the other hand are pushing for emigrating to SEA. And of course, this time, you are not complaining about swooping the local girls. And you laugh on the forum about the Asian betas when they are pissed off by you.

That's not even close to a fair comparison.

Here's a fact check: most Asian countries do not allow immigration. Thailand, the Philippines, Japan etc.: there is absolutely no way in most cases for foreign nationals to become citizens. The countries here that do allow immigration have requirements so stringent they make most anti-immigrant politicians in the West look like psycho multiculti commies.

I've been in the Philippines for two months now. Right now, I couldn't become a Filipino citizen even if I wanted to: I don't meet the requirements. I can extend my visa on a month-by-month basis for 3,000 pesos a pop, but that's it.

SE Asian countries may be welcoming to foreign retirees and tourists, but they make it clear that you will always be an outsider looking in. You will never become a citizen, never gain the right to vote, in many cases don't even have the right to own property (when you hear about guys in Thailand/the Philippines owning businesses, the property is usually in their wives' names). Singapore, Japan and the other Asian countries I've been to are the same way: they may be polite to your face, let you bang their women and take your money, but you will always be a foreigner to them.

There is absolutely no comparison to the West. In the U.S., the idea of merely restricting legal immigration is taboo. The immigration debate revolves entirely around illegal aliens, and arguing that people who have broken our immigration laws and violated our territorial integrity should be sent back home---and measures put into place to keep them from coming in---is enough to get you tarred as a "racist."

Moreover, Asian countries don't bother trying to hide why they keep foreigners at arm's length. They don't need to. The fact that a nation exists for the benefit of its native-born citizens---not foreigners---is so accepted here that no one would ever question it.

That's the central argument here: a nation doesn't need any higher justification for keeping foreigners out, restricting immigration or what have you, any more than a father needs to justify why he cares for his own children over random urchins off the street. A nation does not need to rationalize its continued existence.

France doesn't exist for immigrants, it exists for the French.
America doesn't exist for immigrants, it exists for Americans.
Sweden doesn't exist for immigrants, it exists for Swedes.

That's it. End of discussion. A nation that privileges foreigners over its own native-born citizens---or even privileges them just as much as native-born citizens---is an insane, suicidal failed state.

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I have been to Sweden for work and pleasure.

The reason this happened is that Sweden is the first country in Europe that could be Islamic within our lifetime. Why? Well because of a retarded immigration policy and low birth rates.

Malmo is the most Islamic place in Europe and as a result they ethically cleansed the Jews from the city, the first time this has happened in Europe since the end of the second world war, with the socialist government collaborating with the Muslim extremists to drive them out.

The Swedish Democrats don't want to end up like the Jews of malmo, expelled from their own nation or made to live in fear.

Sweden now has to worry about ISIS attacks from Swedes and also has to deal with the high rate of assault and gang rapes, violent crime, etc

It was a mad social experiment to mix Muslim fanatics from places like Somalia and Afghanistan with the worlds most liberal whites

I still think they should continue to allow Syrian and Iraqi Christians in though as they have nowhere else to go while the Muslims could go anywhere.

All of this has been predicted on here countless times and we are now seeing it come to fruition.
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(09-15-2014 07:45 AM)infowarrior1 Wrote:  Are you sure?
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That link is from 2006. Ie just before the right coalition had 8 years of rule and performed an economic miracle during a global recession.

It's irrelevant to the current state.
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I agree with Mikado on a few points. In England, lots of immigrants do work hard and integrate. Not a problem. They're often actually nicer and more respectable than native English people sometimes. However, in places such as Tower Hamlets (google the demographics of this place) and several Northern cities, there are immigrants who complain about 'inequality' and 'racism'. However, these people refuse to integrate into OUR country, and simply cream our benefits system. These type of immigrants should be deported, however cost and laws make this hard to do.

But do remember, there are plenty of hard-working, tax paying immigrants.
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Well, I am having a field day on facebook with all this. I have never seen an intellectual, ideological and moral collapse as the one by the establishments and their lackeys which has unfolded during the last few terms.

Here are a few other arguments off the top of my head:

1. Many liberal and libertarian politicians in Sweden and elsewhere are hypocrites since they themselves refuse to live in the multicultural areas which they praise so highly.

2. Much of SD policy is already reality in other countries. It's only in Sweden that *some* people consider it to be racist to love your own country etc. It pisses me off no end seeing how prominent politicians prioritise the near-inexistant "islamophobia" ahead of racism against ethnic Swedes, engage in falsification of history and sympathize with terrorists.

3. Many of the people who are most in need never get the chance to go to Europe in the first place. Many of those who do come are upper class ones who would have made it anyway. Some are criminals and terrorists. Immigrants are over-represented in crime and unemployment statistics despite benefiting from positive discrimination all throughout society.

4. There have been many racist scandals surrounding SD. Some of them true, some of them greatly exaggerated. The point is that since media dedicates 99% of their time scrutinising one party, which is coincidentally the only one sceptical about current immigration policy, they are bound to find more scandals there. Some scandals should also bee seen in the light of the fact that many SD live under death threats.

5. The dominant discourse says that immigration enriches Sweden. This is a blatant lie under current policy which has even been tacitly acknowledged by the resigning PM when he admitted Sweden couldn't afford any more more reforms or investments though they are badly needed in some areas. When a population grows, so must the investments in welfare, infrastructure like the rail roads, schools, housing, hospitals etc.

6. The opponents of the SD are not seldomly cultural relativists or ethnicity relativists. It's common to see celebrity immigrants denying or trying to ridicule Swedish culture even though it is this very culture (with its high work morale and innovation) that made Sweden rich enough to receive immigrants like themselves in the first place.

7. Foreign media don't understand how come Swedish people vote out the coalition government called The Alliance who have supposedly "steered" the ship during the crisis. Well granted they have done some good things on this issue but the crisis is 6 years old to begin with. Unemployment has still risen compared to 2006. So has segregation - even though a reduction of the segregation (utanförskapet) was a main aim when the now resigning government came to power in 2006. The right (by Swedish standards) Alliance came to power partly because they portrayed themselves as the new workers party and gave up on some of their traditional ideas. Also, all is not so well with the Swedish economy if you believe this article in Swedish as debt levels are well above those in the US pre-crisis: http://blog.svd.se/cervenkaspengar/2013/...axtmyten/.
Also, see nr 1 for this.
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I've been very vocal in my opposition to multiculturalism in Europe and have no shame in it, and neither should anyone who cares about the future of the West where it really counts. As an American, it's difficult to speak about openly without damaging social circles at work or privately. It all comes down to messaging.

Typical criticism of multiculturalism in white-guilt ridden countries (Scandinavia, Germany to a lesser degree) invokes the same emotional response as telling the average American that 9-11 was a Jewish conspiracy theory. As a result of political framing of the issue, the same way abortion is now purely a Republican vs. Democrat voter magnet during elections in the U.S., the general public in Europe seems to only accept immigration as a black and white issue - one side being for positivity (pro-immigrant policies and "diversity") the other for negativity (anti-immigrant policies). It always boils down to a person, idea, party, etc. being "positive" or "negative" to invoke whatever parroted excuse for an original opinion comes next.

When it comes to policy, humans think differently than they would if presented with a math problem. Emotion, empathy, rage, envy, etc. are the driving factors behind politics rather than the red line on a budget or crime rate statistics. In Western society, empathy is what drives public discourse, and it will ultimately be our undoing.

Off topic example, but look at gay marriage. The debate was, in the end, framed in terms of positivity and negativity (you're either for gay marriage or you're completely against gays, period) which always allows the party with the "positive" spin to gain and retain power. It's why Democrats in the US have held on to power so long since the 60's, and it's exactly why the feminine brain forces emotion to dictate political views rather than cold logic. It's no coincidence multiculturalism is directly correlated to the influence of women in politics; empathy, and empathetic voters, always have the final say in Western society now.

So, a positive spin is needed for those of us - for whatever reason - think the current system we have isn't working. The best way I choose to explain it (to avoid the problems I mentioned at the beginning) is to say that:

a.) You value culture in the same way proponents of multiculturalism think it enriches society.
b.) You think culture should be protected and passed on to further generations.
c.) Multiculturalism is a lose-lose for both sides; as cultures mix and become intertwined through generations, both of the original cultures are lost in the process.
d.) Friction. Natives are unhappy because they don't feel at home in their own country, and immigrants are unhappy because they don't feel at home in their new country.
e.) The long-term solution is to promote more stable and prosperous societies in third world countries where the immigrants are coming from in the first place.

Long post, but anyway, I think if the right in Sweden or elsewhere can succeed in getting their message out in a positive way, it's happy days coming.
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(09-15-2014 09:13 AM)Matt Forney Wrote:  ...they may be polite to your face, let you bang their women and take your money, but you will always be a foreigner to them.

Sounds like a cuckold.
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@solo That's interesting that you have debated these issues on Facebook! Good luck with that!
I've also tested the waters on FB on such issues, my experience is that most people won't touch it with a barge pole for fear of being labelled a sexist/racist/homophobe etc.
That said, there's only been or two people who have outright challenged me on such points(usually by trying to 'derail' the argument, a cowardly and devious approach) cos I think deep down, many people on there know what I'm saying makes a lot of sense, even if doesn't fit the female friendly, mainstream media spin/narrative.
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@amity, you're quite right. Very few people dare to even speak about it. With this election results a few more are coming round but it's still by far the minority.

And I haven't even discussed immigration that much. Mostly just the political correctness in itself, where my point was that it only increases and radicalizes the real racism in society. I've said that mass immigration has led to genocides on both native and immigrant populations in the past. This is enough to be labelled a racist, both by the left and by the right.

By the way, I may have exaggerated a little bit when I called the Swedish party Moderaterna leftish. They have both right and left elements.
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(09-15-2014 05:16 AM)mikado Wrote:  Feisbook Control

The difference is that I did not come here to steal French's possessions and freedom
Which is what the colons did in Africa.

And by that logic almost no American today deserve to be called American, because the Indian natives are the True Americans.
They are only guests.

BS logic.

Completely false. The very concept of "America" is a European construct(even named after a European). The Amerindians were Sioux, Navajo,Cherokee,etc not "Americans" prior to the arrival of NW Europeans.
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I never have these conversations on facebook, and neither should you.

Whatever you write there, can and will be used against you.

This being said, Nationalism in Europe is on the rise. I fail to see the bogeyman over here. Today's Nationalists are self aware and conscious that we, Europeans are brothers. We have the EU, which has been both a blessing and a curse. We want to keep the blessing part and remove the curse one.
I don't believe Europeans today want to fight one another has we did before for thousand years. We have nothing to gain, only to lose.

We want to maintain our identity, our values, our traditions. What's wrong in there?

Do you think that a guy or girl with a towel wrapped in the head will ever be accepted in an European work space? Do you think that a guy that takes 5 15mins breaks daily to lay out his carpet and pray, will be well accepted by European people? Do you think that someone that does not believe and does not preach gender equality will ever succeed at his job? Will he relate well with co-workers?

Multiculturalism works, if you share same background or religious values, even if you don't practice. A great deal of Europe's values are set on christianity and, Islam clashes very hard with it, the others are set on the French Revolution: Liberté, Egalité, Fraternité.
If a Swede goes to Spain, or a Portuguese to the UK, or a French to Greece, it is very easy for them to adapt. We all share a common background. The same will not happen with a newly arrived muslim immigrant, and the 2nd generation will be filled with hate from his parents, and it will continue.
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(09-16-2014 09:42 AM)Wreckingball Wrote:  I never have these conversations on facebook, and neither should you.

Whatever you write there, can and will be used against you.

This being said, Nationalism in Europe is on the rise. I fail to see the bogeyman over here. Today's Nationalists are self aware and conscious that we, Europeans are brothers. We have the EU, which has been both a blessing and a curse. We want to keep the blessing part and remove the curse one.
I don't believe Europeans today want to fight one another has we did before for thousand years. We have nothing to gain, only to lose.

We want to maintain our identity, our values, our traditions. What's wrong in there?

Do you think that a guy or girl with a towel wrapped in the head will ever be accepted in an European work space? Do you think that a guy that takes 5 15mins breaks daily to lay out his carpet and pray, will be well accepted by European people? Do you think that someone that does not believe and does not preach gender equality will ever succeed at his job? Will he relate well with co-workers?

Multiculturalism works, if you share same background or religious values, even if you don't practice. A great deal of Europe's values are set on christianity and, Islam clashes very hard with it, the others are set on the French Revolution: Liberté, Egalité, Fraternité.
If a Swede goes to Spain, or a Portuguese to the UK, or a French to Greece, it is very easy for them to adapt. We all share a common background. The same will not happen with a newly arrived muslim immigrant, and the 2nd generation will be filled with hate from his parents, and it will continue.

This is what I hope will happen. I wouldn't be surprised if we see a resurgence of traditional Christianity to combat the rise of traditional Islam.

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RE: Sweden Democrats to make big gains in election
What's making these countries fail is not just immigration, its the Marxist socialist policies that Europeans love. The EU is filled with "ex-communists". Immigration can be good for a country if its controlled and made easy for high skilled workers.

It's easy to lash out at people who are different than you by skin or religion but you have to remember that they have as much power as you do. Its the politicians and bureaucrats who have the power, they make the policies. Europe was conned by the EU, the general apathy the last generation left is showing today. Socialism might work if you never go to war and have an ethnic culture but the Marxists who lure you in with free stuff, will eventually show their true colours and intent when they have proper control. Its your government fucking you over, not some guy named Ahmed selling kebabs. If the government had good policies in place and the people's interest things wouldn't have been this bad, cultural Marxism is finally showing its cracks

It's also hypocritical to lash out at immigrants but go to foreign countries for wife's, like Sweden which has the highest Thai brides outside of Thailand.
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RE: Sweden Democrats to make big gains in election
(09-16-2014 11:34 AM)zombiejimmorrison Wrote:  What's making these countries fail is not just immigration, its the Marxist socialist policies that Europeans love. The EU is filled with "ex-communists". Immigration can be good for a country if its controlled and made easy for high skilled workers.

It's easy to lash out at people who are different than you by skin or religion but you have to remember that they have as much power as you do. Its the politicians and bureaucrats who have the power, they make the policies. Europe was conned by the EU, the general apathy the last generation left is showing today. Socialism might work if you never go to war and have an ethnic culture but the Marxists who lure you in with free stuff, will eventually show their true colours and intent when they have proper control. Its your government fucking you over, not some guy named Ahmed selling kebabs. If the government had good policies in place and the people's interest things wouldn't have been this bad, cultural Marxism is finally showing its cracks

It's also hypocritical to lash out at immigrants but go to foreign countries for wife's, like Sweden which has the highest Thai brides outside of Thailand.

No, it is not hypocritical. First of all, Thailand makes its own rules, which make it impossible for foreigners to get residence and own property. Second of all, these Swedes bring money into Thailand, they don't receive any money. They are on average far less criminal than the average Thai, not the other way around. They are for all purposes net positives to the Thai economy and society.

You have it confused. Immigrants have no claims to anything in Sweden and they have no rights to even come there as immigrants in the first place. If Sweden or another European country decides they don't want a single Somali immigrant, then that should be perfectly ok.
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RE: Sweden Democrats to make big gains in election
(09-16-2014 11:55 AM)berserk Wrote:  
(09-16-2014 11:34 AM)zombiejimmorrison Wrote:  What's making these countries fail is not just immigration, its the Marxist socialist policies that Europeans love. The EU is filled with "ex-communists". Immigration can be good for a country if its controlled and made easy for high skilled workers.

It's easy to lash out at people who are different than you by skin or religion but you have to remember that they have as much power as you do. Its the politicians and bureaucrats who have the power, they make the policies. Europe was conned by the EU, the general apathy the last generation left is showing today. Socialism might work if you never go to war and have an ethnic culture but the Marxists who lure you in with free stuff, will eventually show their true colours and intent when they have proper control. Its your government fucking you over, not some guy named Ahmed selling kebabs. If the government had good policies in place and the people's interest things wouldn't have been this bad, cultural Marxism is finally showing its cracks

It's also hypocritical to lash out at immigrants but go to foreign countries for wife's, like Sweden which has the highest Thai brides outside of Thailand.

No, it is not hypocritical. First of all, Thailand makes its own rules, which make it impossible for foreigners to get residence and own property. Second of all, these Swedes bring money into Thailand, they don't receive any money. They are on average far less criminal than the average Thai, not the other way around. They are for all purposes net positives to the Thai economy and society.

You have it confused. Immigrants have no claims to anything in Sweden and they have no rights to even come there as immigrants in the first place. If Sweden or another European country decides they don't want a single Somali immigrant, then that should be perfectly ok.

Ofcourse its up to the country to allow or disallow immigration. Right to come to a country is given by the government and a big reason for wanting immigrants in Sweden is the low native birthrate and this across all of Europe, its become a necessity. Same reason, I'm guessing the Swedish males are immigrating Asian wife's. Population has to be steady and masculine feminist wife's don't want kids.
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RE: Sweden Democrats to make big gains in election
(09-16-2014 09:42 AM)Wreckingball Wrote:  If a Swede goes to Spain, or a Portuguese to the UK, or a French to Greece, it is very easy for them to adapt. We all share a common background. The same will not happen with a newly arrived muslim immigrant, and the 2nd generation will be filled with hate from his parents, and it will continue.

From what I have seen the first generation do not adapt. They hang out people from the same/similar countries. But the second generation given they look like the local and speak the language as well as the local would fit in.
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RE: Sweden Democrats to make big gains in election
(09-16-2014 04:06 PM)LemonDrink Wrote:  
(09-16-2014 09:42 AM)Wreckingball Wrote:  If a Swede goes to Spain, or a Portuguese to the UK, or a French to Greece, it is very easy for them to adapt. We all share a common background. The same will not happen with a newly arrived muslim immigrant, and the 2nd generation will be filled with hate from his parents, and it will continue.

From what I have seen the first generation do not adapt. They hang out people from the same/similar countries. But the second generation given they look like the local and speak the language as well as the local would fit in.

That's true, such as brits in Spain, but the important thing is that all European cultures are so similar, that even if an immigrant from Europe doesn't integrate, they still will have a quite similar culture, where differences are more in the either 'funny and weird' or at worst 'annoying'. It's never the same massive culture clash as when an African or Arab comes to Europe or a European goes to Asia.
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RE: Sweden Democrats to make big gains in election
Good on them stopping immigration, less competition for me.

Time to go to Sweden and fuck their white blonde Scandi women. Make some mixed blood babies and dilute their purity.

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RE: Sweden Democrats to make big gains in election
'Sweden’s new PM hails first ‘feminist government'
Disturbing headline. I wish this guy was joking but sadly he seems to believe it.
Let's hope the Sweden Democrats can put and to this nonsense, but I wouldn't bank on it
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/f8e5d376-4ac9-...z3F4zkJUuA
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