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If the Manosphere is to move forward
It is to be less whiny.

It needs to be less exhaustive; it needs to be tailored for the sake of brevity.

Tuthmosis had the right idea in trolling the masses, but at the end of the day, he merely infuriated hundreds and thousands of people (a good thing), without any persuasive value (a bad thing).

If we are to take on the masses seriously .. we need to look at South Park. South Park portrays politically incorrect messages through dark humor. It's high dopamine content that allows people to realise their own hypocrisies, the ideologies which run society, and obvious stereotypes ....

Cartoons such as this run a powerful unconscious message. Humor is a seductive process.




I don't really have the time or the talent to do something similar... I'm merely a messenger. But there's thousands of us... and there's obviously youtube dollarz involved which would make it a lucrative idea... surely there's a talented animator among one of us. There's thousands of people who would automatically subscribe. The demand is obviously there.

A cartoon series of "The Life of Lindy West" would be apt. While progressivism is viral, humor is infectuous and cooler.
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(09-23-2014 11:13 AM)Dusty Wrote:  


Fairly on the money. My only wish is the cartoons look better, the story lines more sophisticated, and characters being more memorable...

But it's a step in the right direction.

My point is the manosphere's current collection of articles just regurgitate anger/frustration/whining and only serve as a mental masturbatory device to men who already 'recognise' its key tenets -- who suffered the same level of anguish, rejection, frustration and social decline.

It has little seductive value because at times it comes off as simply uncool and exhaustive.
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That first cartoon was hilariously disturbing. I have to say the second one has left me feeling very sad, probably because its true.
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(09-23-2014 11:26 AM)UroboricForms Wrote:  That first cartoon was hilariously disturbing.





Seen the second, brah?
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I don't see a lot of whiny-ness on RVF...or much on the manosphere as a whole (other blogs etc). If you're seeing the manosphere as being whiny you're looking at it the wrong way. Being truthful is not being whiny.

I see your point as being less exhaustive and more humorous, but only in the context of using different types of media like the cartoon above. Humor works on emotions because it's usually at someone's expense. Regarding real ideas that are best articulated via discussion, there isn't much to say using brevity. Start a blog with using brevity on anything and you won't get far without running out of material. Besides, as men, to know what motivates people, you sorta have to dig into the details a bit.

Every time a guy comes on here whining or bitching on here about a chic...every fucking time...RVFers are quick to spot it, even read in between the lines, and call the dude out on it for being a bitch (in a helpful way usually).

All said though, creative minds are always welcome to illustrate our ideas. Good stuff.

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Quote:It is to be less whiny.

But it's okay for you to be whiny?

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(09-23-2014 11:41 AM)heavy Wrote:  I don't see a lot of whiny-ness on RVF...or much on the manosphere as a whole (other blogs etc). If you're seeing the manosphere as being whiny you're looking at it the wrong way. Being truthful is not being whiny.

I see your point as being less exhaustive and more humorous, but only in the context of using different types of media like the cartoon above. Humor works on emotions because it's usually at someone's expense. Regarding real ideas that are best articulated via discussion, there isn't much to say using brevity. Start a blog with using brevity on anything and you won't get far without running out of material. Besides, as men, to know what motivates people, you sorta have to dig into the details a bit.

Every time a guy comes on here whining or bitching on here about a chic...every fucking time...RVFers are quick to spot it, even read in between the lines, and call the dude out on it for being a bitch (in a helpful way usually).

All said though, creative minds are always welcome to illustrate our ideas. Good stuff.

It is not whiny in the traditional AFC sense. It's whiny in it's negative portrayal of society and social decline through exhaustive and unsophisticated means. And while this may be the status quo, it has little persuasive value.

Why is it unsophisticated? I mean seriously, the amount of times I've had to face palm myself when a manosphere writer tries to connect the dots using reductionist logic as to why the status quo is so....

Other times it targets the pettiest ridiculous shit that you begin to wonder why do these men even bother?

Surely our time and resources should be utilised to create something that is both timeless and persuasive... rather than 'simply pointing things out for the sake of it'.
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(09-23-2014 11:53 AM)Roosh Wrote:  
Quote:It is to be less whiny.

But it's okay for you to be whiny?

It definitely is, within our own private discussion spheres it's perfectly okay to be a whiny beta faggot who expresses his true feelings, but as a collective movement in the public sphere that is to be reckoned with a type of ideological violence with some kind of revolutionary persuasion it needs a paradigm shift.
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(09-23-2014 11:53 AM)Roosh Wrote:  
Quote:It is to be less whiny.

But it's okay for you to be whiny?

To be fair OP's point is correct, despite the meta paradox inherent in it.

However, South Park actually forwards a lot of 'manosphere' talking points. If people watching it realize what Parker and Stone are really talking about, their minds would melt. They have properly made fun of climate change fanatics, feminists, fatties etc. Now they haven't tackled the false sexual assault issue yet, but that could happen in the upcoming season as it becomes a bigger public issue...

There has been almost no SP episode where I have disagreed with their portrayal of the issues, except maybe the Trayvon Martin episode. I'm not saying I agree with all their viewpoints, I'm saying they do a good job of putting all sides of the argument out there.

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(09-23-2014 11:06 AM)tonipepperoni Wrote:  I don't really have the time or the talent to do something similar... I'm merely a messenger. But there's thousands of us... and there's obviously youtube dollarz involved which would make it a lucrative idea... surely there's a talented animator among one of us. There's thousands of people who would automatically subscribe. The demand is obviously there.

So you lecture us, propose a theoretical solution, and then try to divest yourself of any responsibility for making aforementioned solution a reality.

You're a slacktivist know-it-all.
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(09-23-2014 12:11 PM)TheWastelander Wrote:  
(09-23-2014 11:06 AM)tonipepperoni Wrote:  I don't really have the time or the talent to do something similar... I'm merely a messenger. But there's thousands of us... and there's obviously youtube dollarz involved which would make it a lucrative idea... surely there's a talented animator among one of us. There's thousands of people who would automatically subscribe. The demand is obviously there.

So you lecture us, propose a theoretical solution, and then try to divest yourself of any responsibility for making aforementioned solution a reality.

You're a slacktivist know-it-all.

In a revolution there is a theorist, and then there is someone who expresses the revolutionary violence using the theory.
Marx and Lenin.

Without the theory, the expressed violence has no objective basis, no synthesis, it is merely clutching at straws.

I'm simply pointing out that the present propaganda devices are ineffective and can no longer express the revolutionary violence (complete systematic change) that the Manosphere desires.

It's like Fight Club without all the buildings wired with C4.. even worse it's Children playfighting in a cubby house.
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That part in YOLO 2, where she posts the sad face on fb and you see the likes/comments counter sky rocket... shit had me rolling

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Dude, could you sound any more pretentious? Comparing yourself to Marx and Lenin?

You've got to be shitting me.
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(09-23-2014 12:26 PM)TheWastelander Wrote:  Dude, could you sound any more pretentious? Comparing yourself to Marx and Lenin?

You've got to be shitting me.

I'm merely pointing out the apparatus, old son. But you seem terribly mad?

People need a directive to express their violence, otherwise its aimless.

1) Unfortunately, the truth is, the public will not engage in the manosphere unless brevity is involved.

2) If the manosphere does not engage with the public then it's simply a circle-jerk fantasy of pointing out the status quo.

3) If the manosphere is to engage witht he public it needs to apply its force directly and tune the hearts and minds using a more effective propaganda device.

4) 400 word essays will no longer cut it. The typical pleb has at most a reading span of 20 words or less before he/she becomes disinterested.

5) Most blue-pill plebs don't understand logic.

6) Blue-pill plebs understand humor, humor has high propaganda value, it's persuasive, sexy and positive.

7) To train and seduce the pleb with humor is to create an effective propaganda apparatus.
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I do not want the manosphere to be mainstream.
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(09-23-2014 01:00 PM)Glaucon Wrote:  I do not want the manosphere to be mainstream.

Interesting point, but I don't think it will ever truly become mainstream. If anything, all we are simply doing is persuading the blue pill plebs (who are effectively zombies) to work for us. While we are the ones holding the strings -- presently the way it works is that the Manosphere is simply expressing its frustration as being the slave/puppet within society, while providing no effective means to cut the string from the masters.

The question for the manosphere should be: What's the best propaganda device?
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I think you're giving the Manosphere too much credit. I don't think most of these blogs were created to actually better men and society rather they were made to serve as a mouthpiece for their thoughts. I agree with you in that a lot of guys sound whiny on their blog, but that's their choice. I don't read those blogs and you don't have to either. It would be great if all these blogs could focus their collective efforts on making guys better, but that's a pipedream.

As for the idea of reaching out to the masses via humor, I have to say I disagree. For one thing, as many others have stated, I don't think that the Manosphere will ever appeal to the masses, let alone have enough influence to change anything. I also don't like the idea of people dumbing themselves down to appeal to others. Rather, the Mansosphere should serve as a close-knit community predicated on helping a select group of individuals escape the blue-pill.

Also, I would recommend starting a blog of your own. I think you'd enjoy and would probably have a lot to say.

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(09-23-2014 01:08 PM)Seth_Rose Wrote:  I think you're giving the Manosphere too much credit. I don't think most of these blogs were created to actually better men and society rather they were made to serve as a mouthpiece for their thoughts. I agree with you in that a lot of guys sound whiny on their blog, but that's their choice. I don't read those blogs and you don't have to either. It would be great if all these blogs could focus their collective efforts on making guys better, but that's a pipedream.

As for the idea of reaching out to the masses via humor, I have to say I disagree. For one thing, as many others have stated, I don't think that the Manosphere will ever appeal to the masses, let alone have enough influence to change anything. I also don't like the idea of people dumbing themselves down to appeal to others. Rather, the Mansosphere should serve as a close-knit community predicated on helping a select group of individuals escape the blue-pill.

Also, I would recommend starting a blog of your own. I think you'd enjoy and would probably have a lot to say.

The Manosphere in itself offers its services as a parodization of American Progressivism and it's hegemony on the rest of the world.

Heartiste for example, offers this in Nabokovian prose-style with decent social analysis about progressive hypocrisies, but his impact is tapered, due to his exhaustiveness.

We all want to ridicule and parody and troll and watch those who differ from our own views squirm, but our propaganda value is low, because we are simply venting to an empty room.

All of us desire some sort of violence. All of us want to see Anita Sarkessian arrested for faking threats. All of us want to see Gawker collapse inwards. We want to see things collapse. It's in our nature to watch things crumble. It's entertainment at its finest.

We dumb things down, not for the sake of dumbing ourselves down, but to use people as a utility. For example, most american pickup artistry involves exchanges that a 5 year old can understand, all in the name of slaying -- it's a form of knowledge in itself, and one that often has its perks.
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In order to become free of your slavedom, you need to buy your freedom.
In order to buy your freedom you need currency.
In order to have currency, you need power/Game.
In order to understand Game you need to speak the local language. Whether it be that of a 5 year old of high-grade Victorian English.

In order to become a Slave master, you need to rally the plebs to your cause speaking a language that they can easily understand.
You need to persuade them with a Dream or a Fantasy that has high emotive value.
If they are to continue and accept their slavedom, and respect the institutions which you've set forth, then they must believe in your message, your dreams.

Pimps would say 'Sell a bitch a dream'.
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(09-23-2014 01:00 PM)Glaucon Wrote:  I do not want the manosphere to be mainstream.

I agree with Glaucon. We have absolutely nothing to gain by going mainstream and stand to lose a great deal, starting with our solidarity.

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4 Chan isn't particularly mainstream, but it is something that actually impacts everyday life.

It's slowly becoming more and more relevant because:
1) It creates drama in the public sphere
2) Has impact
3) Parodizes reality to great effect with sharp banter
4) Holds people accountable and is a force to be reckoned with.

It has more meaning in everyday discourse, while staying somewhat true to its nature: the underbelly of the internet.
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The Manosphere/Game/Red Pill is not meant for everyone. Most people need to remain blue pill because their very identities are so deeply rooted within mainstream thought.

What we offer is the path to self improvement, freeing your mind from self limiting beliefs, and the ability to take on the world on your own terms. By arming yourself with our knowledge you become the embodiment of what everyone still plugged in wishes they could be. It's probably the most difficult change any man could endeavor for himself. That's why we sit alone at the top, completely immune to the horse shit everyone else is caught up in. They can't see us but we can see them, that's the way it has to be.

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Making videos like the "YOLO" one would be funny. Maybe 3-minute shorts detailing the daily lives of feminists, capturing all the outrage and absurdity in a nice easy to view package. The thing is though I doubt it would accomplish anything. It would make us laugh, but it's not going to stop feminism. I sent "Nigel's Big Game" blog around to some friends and relatives, they thought it was hilarious but it might not stop them from fucking a fatty in a dryspell.

I saw a post on here about starting a fake/satire feminist blog, which could be a better option. It could cover topics that feminists would conceivably discuss, but just constantly take it too far. Talk about banning gendered bathrooms or something, due to the fact that women always have to suffer through longer lines.

I don't think it's necessary though. Feminists are trying to rock the boat too much, they'll eventually flip it and lose what little they've got in the past 20-years.
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