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http://www.mintpressnews.com/us-police-m...11/172029/

I'll just leave this here. For those who don't want to read it, it's about how the cops have killed more people since 9/11 than died in the attacks. To be frank, I fear the police more than I do a bunch of religious fanatics an ocean and a sea away. When asked by the police for something (i.e. you ID), always tell them where you are going for it and be deliberate with your movements. As for the story in the OP, it's nothing out of the ordinary. Some punk ass bitch who tries to steal valor from real Marines hates blacks. He doesn't have the balls to cull the herd himself, so he fabricates a story so the people who have the only legitimate right to violence carry out his racist wet dream for him.

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(09-25-2014 09:54 AM)Vicious Wrote:  Well thank good this was a black guy or the police would have had a shitstorm of paperwork!

THis comment almost had me in tears.

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Swatting open carriers (though this particular victim was not open carrying - it wasn't a gun and he was holding it in his hands) is encouraged by some antigun folks: Libtalker Mike Malloy Vows to Start Panic if He Sees Open Carry Permit Holder with Gun

The 911 caller totally bullshitted and may have been motivated by some antigun animus. In any case, he put the cops on a heightened state of alert. A 911 call with a more accurate description of the scene (guy talking on the phone, NO loading, good description of gun that might tip off it's a toy, etc.) and the cops may not be rolling in with a shoot-first-ask-questions-later mentality.
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Those cops need to be sent back to training. They were running through the store with no apparent plan or formation, and they popped the victim off the moment they saw him. Leaving aside the whole 'was the gun pointed' argument out, that cop took no real effort to identify or warn the victim. What if it was a different customer? What if it had been another cop? The police should have been together, calling out their presence, moving slowly and assessing their situation each and every step of the way and controlling the situation instead of just charging around like some fucking recently re-spawned Call Of Duty players. Once they saw the victim, they should have stood there shouting their heads off for him to lay on the ground. They were not in control of the situation and that was due solely to their own incompetence.

Look at this clip (not gory, but there is a shooting at 1:33):





A man, who is armed and acting violent and aggressive, surprises and confronts a trained SWAT team. The team doesn't open up on the guy immediately - in the brief seconds when they confront one another, SWAT manages (barely) to shout a warning, and they fire only when the man raises his shotgun in a threatening manner.

The Beavercreek cops acted completely unprofessionally, opening fire on sight, and they are a threat not only to the public but their fellow officers as well.

The police's job is to try and preserve all life, not just their own. Too many cops nowadays seem to forget that. Or they choose to ignore it, when it's their lives that are threatened. Anyone remember the newspaper ladies whom the LAPD opened fire upon during the Christopher Dorner manhunt because the cops were the ones being targeted?

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(09-25-2014 06:15 AM)BadWolf Wrote:  Will never understand America's obsession with firearms. I think a reasonably intelligent person would understand that you don't go walking around today's world holding a gun.

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I'm sympathetic to cops who feel threatened but this looks like they totally fucked up. I don't think the guy even said anything to them and didn't seem to be pointing the weapon.

I think the grand jury saw themselves as way more similar to the cops than to the victim and felt it was an honest mistake and let them off even though they probably are guilty of something like negligent homicide.

A felony rap makes them unemployable for life but they should be taking a rap for some kind of negligent actions.

They were probably amped up and perhaps the call was very inflammatory.. "He's walking around with a rifle in Walmart and going to shoot someone !"

The victim was guilty of being very stupid (1) taking a rifle-like gun out of box (2) walking around a store with it but no way should he have been killed.

the store was also negligent in leaving anything that looked like a rifle accessible without staff supervision. IF the dude had been standing at a counter examining the rifle with a staff member looking on , and the victim had not been pointing the gun at the staff member, the cops would have seem right away it was a harmless situation, probably no one would have called it in in the first place.


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(09-25-2014 05:14 PM)teh_skeeze Wrote:  Some punk ass bitch who tries to steal valor from real Marines hates blacks. He doesn't have the balls to cull the herd himself, so he fabricates a story so the people who have the only legitimate right to violence carry out his racist wet dream for him.

Uh....what?

The caller is obviously a royal dipshit, but you're stretching here.

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What's more likely? Him being an anti-gun nut (he was in the military) or being a paranoid racist? OK I'll grant you that he may not have wanted the guy dead, but he certainly wanted the guy fucked with.

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This is not a racial crime.
Cops assasinated lots of other white guys this year,
and these assasinations are rarely in the mainstream media news:

- unarmed white guy was running with his headphones on - assasinated by the cops because he didn't hear their warning to stop running

- unarmed white old man who was deaf - assasinated by the cops by getting to stay too close
(about 10 meters) from the cops, and he didn't hear the warnings (because he was deaf!)

- unarmed homeless man assasinated by the cops because he camped away in the nature...

- unarmed brazilian guy assasinated by the UK police because he was wearing a large coat
and ran (he thought it's the immigration office and he didn't want to go back to Brazil)

etc etc etc and the list goes on and on...
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OK, I'm going to add some perspective to this thread. Why? Because I grew up not 5 miles from where this shooting took place (Beavercreek, OH) and it pains me to see my hometown in the media cross-hairs.
Some background: Beavercreek is a suburb of Dayton, OH. Dayton is an old Midwestern industrial town which was built on the auto and tool industry. Needless to say, the big industries which made Dayton the "Gem City" have left town for workers who worker harder and make less money. Because of it's proximity to Kentucky, Dayton filled up after WW2 with a lot of blue collar white rednecks and black people. It was also a big UAW town. In the 60's, there were a lot of crime in Dayton and people looking for a safer place to live migrated to the suburbs, places like Beavercreek.
When I lived in Beavercreek in the 70's, it was still a rural area. Because of it's location to the air force base in Fairborn, there were a lot air force officer kids. The local state college (Wright State) expanded and suddenly you have a lot of academic kids showing up from the coastal areas. Also a lot of blue collar kids and rednecks. What it didn't have much of was black people.
Fast-forward to the 90's. Somebody gets the bright idea to build a shopping mall in the community. Makes sense; the good paying jobs for low skill people in Dayton have all but vanishes, why not pay them starvation wages instead? This was followed by the usual multiplex cinemas and, naturally, Wallmart.
Why am I talking about this? Because the local cops never had to deal with situation before. They aren't trained for it. Had something like this happened in Dayton, the cops would have acted different. Add to the mix a hysterical phone call about a man walking around the Wallmart with a gun and you have a recipe for disaster.
Just wanted to put these things into perspective.

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(09-26-2014 06:40 AM)internations Wrote:  This is not a racial crime.
Cops assasinated lots of other white guys this year,
and these assasinations are rarely in the mainstream media news:

- unarmed white guy was running with his headphones on - assasinated by the cops because he didn't hear their warning to stop running

- unarmed white old man who was deaf - assasinated by the cops by getting to stay too close
(about 10 meters) from the cops, and he didn't hear the warnings (because he was deaf!)

- unarmed homeless man assasinated by the cops because he camped away in the nature...

- unarmed brazilian guy assasinated by the UK police because he was wearing a large coat
and ran (he thought it's the immigration office and he didn't want to go back to Brazil)

etc etc etc and the list goes on and on...

UK police shoot guys that run away? Do you have a link for any of these?

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(09-25-2014 09:46 PM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  
(09-25-2014 05:14 PM)teh_skeeze Wrote:  Some punk ass bitch who tries to steal valor from real Marines hates blacks. He doesn't have the balls to cull the herd himself, so he fabricates a story so the people who have the only legitimate right to violence carry out his racist wet dream for him.

Uh....what?

The caller is obviously a royal dipshit, but you're stretching here.

(09-25-2014 11:26 PM)teh_skeeze Wrote:  What's more likely? Him being an anti-gun nut (he was in the military) or being a paranoid racist? OK I'll grant you that he may not have wanted the guy dead, but he certainly wanted the guy fucked with.

It's not an either/or dichotomy - he could be neither a paranoid racist nor an anti-gun nut and call in if he saw a guy with a gun and jumped to conclusions, which I think he did.

Anyhow, him having a subconscious paranoia about black men is something I can buy as a possibility, perhaps even a strong one. But your initial post insinuated he purposely manipulated "the people who have the only legitimate right to violence [to] carry out his racist wet dream for him."

That was the major stretch (and paranoia in its own right). Either way a guy is dead, but on a moral and legal level, the difference is extremely significant.

I think it's even a stretch to say he wanted the guy fucked with. He assumed a guy was walking around a store waving a gun around, even if his assumption was wrong, so he called the cops - that's not the same as "wanting a guy fucked with."

Again, perhaps his preconceived notions about black guys made him jump the gun. I can entertain that idea.

He fucked up by jumping to conclusions and exaggerating (your mind tends to exaggerate things too when you panic, and magnify small details or imagine them when they're not there). He fucked up then again by trying to lie his way out of his mistake, repeatedly. That doesn't mean he meant to set some guy up to get hurt or harassed.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not excusing his actions or sticking up for this guy. But for one, he's not trained for this type of situation (3 weeks in the Marines hardly counts), and it's not uncommon for people to misinterpret things when shit gets intense, which he thought it had. He saw a gun and got spooked and I imagine caught up in the moment.

He's an idiot. Regardless, the cops deal with idiots and far-fetched imaginations on a daily basis and should have proceeded with proper caution.

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(09-25-2014 06:30 AM)Roosh Wrote:  Suicide by cop?

Not in this case. With a suicide by cop victim they deliberately try to antagonize the police by pointing their weapons directly at them or at a bystander.

I don't know what that department's lethal-force policy is so that could have something to do with it as well. Maybe their policy involves opening fire if they're presented with a potential threat even when the weapon isn't being used directly against them or someone else. In that case, though, you'd still think they would have tried to subdue him a different way first.

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(09-25-2014 06:45 AM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  I have to say the evidence is strong here just by looking at that youtube video that they just ambushed his ass from the end of the aisle. He's standing there playing with the rifle but it doesn't look like he's doing anything crazy like interacting with shoppers or looking threatening. He's clearly busy talking on the phone or something while carrying it.

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(09-26-2014 07:58 AM)TravelerKai Wrote:  
(09-26-2014 06:40 AM)internations Wrote:  This is not a racial crime.
Cops assasinated lots of other white guys this year,
and these assasinations are rarely in the mainstream media news:

- unarmed white guy was running with his headphones on - assasinated by the cops because he didn't hear their warning to stop running

- unarmed white old man who was deaf - assasinated by the cops by getting to stay too close
(about 10 meters) from the cops, and he didn't hear the warnings (because he was deaf!)

- unarmed homeless man assasinated by the cops because he camped away in the nature...

- unarmed brazilian guy assasinated by the UK police because he was wearing a large coat
and ran (he thought it's the immigration office and he didn't want to go back to Brazil)

etc etc etc and the list goes on and on...

UK police shoot guys that run away? Do you have a link for any of these?

I have link for every one of these of course:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Je...de_Menezes

Jean Charles da Silva e de Menezes was a Brazilian man shot dead by the London Metropolitan police at Stockwell tube station on the London Underground after he was misidentified.

Later, police and media accounts contradicted each other, specifically regarding Menezes's manner and clothing as he entered the station, and whether there had been any police warnings before they fired. The death sparked an intense public debate over a shoot-to-kill practice
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Ohio Wal-Mart Where Cops Shot Black Man Pulls Pellet Guns from Shelves

The Ohio Wal-Mart where a young black man was shot and killed by police while holding a pellet gun is no longer selling the specific assault rifle-style model the man was holding and has taken all the air-powered guns off its shelves.

An attorney for Crawford III’s [the deceased] family told NBC News that the pellet guns should have been removed from shelves long ago.

"If this was done a long long time ago," said Michael Wright, "Mr. Crawford might still be alive. If these air guns are indistinguishable from real guns, then they definitely should not have been sitting on the shelves."


Remember, it's always the fault of the inanimate object, especially if said inanimate object is a gun (or just looks like a gun), never that of the actors themselves. Dodgy
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Anti-gun trolls have been talking about doing what Ronald Ritchie did to people who legally open carry firearms.

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/38...-c-w-cooke

Quote:‘You see a GunFilth waving its penis substitute, exit, call police. Armed robbery in progress.” So wrote Twitter user “Little Black Dog” on September 13 of this year.

Quote:A cursory trawl through those sites reveals that Owens is correct in his assessment. The lion’s share of the commenters are innocuous and cordial — nothing more than law-abiding Americans participating in civil society. There are peaceful promises not to shop at Target or Kroger or Chili’s unless those businesses explicitly prohibit customers from bringing their firearms in with them; there are vehement-but-idle suggestions that anybody who wishes to carry a gun in public must have something seriously wrong with him; and there are the usual ignorant claims that shootings in America are on the increase (in fact, the opposite is true). But, every 20 comments or so, one sees exactly what Owens describes. Reacting to a photograph of a man standing at a checkout with a handgun holstered upon his hip, mom-who-demands-action Joyce Ward asks, “Why weren’t the police called immediately?” And “why,” Ward continues, “wasn’t he shot by the police for having a weapon”? Fellow poster Lisa McLogan Shaheen has a similar inquiry, wondering, “Why hasn’t someone called 911 so the cops can gun him down?” Others go a little further, proposing that they might help their cause along if they were actively to bring about an altercation. “Every time I see someone with a gun in a store I will call 911,” Jennifer Decker vows, “they’ll get tired of that right quick!!!” Even that plan is too limited for Ann Marie. “Just call the police every time you see someone with one,” she counsels, “the police will get sick of it eventually or have a run in with one of these clowns and then things will change.”

In almost every such comment, it is also asserted regretfully that there is an ugly double-standard at play in America’s thriving gun culture. “If he were black,” one Wayne Senftner laments, “some frantic white woman would call 911 and the cops would murder him on sight like in ohios wallmart [sic] killing of the black man holding a toy air rifle.” Presumably, Senftner cannot see how peculiar this statement looks to outsiders, nestled as it is among the hysterical output of “frantic white women” who are recommending that others do just that. Naturally, one shouldn’t let facts get in the way of a good whine. But what happened to Crawford should serve as a warning to the malcontents, not as an encouragement. The “black man holding a toy air rifle” to whom Senftner refers was named John Crawford III, and he was killed because, to borrow a phrase from Lisa McLogan Shaheen, a fellow shopper “called 911 so the cops could gun him down.” “If you sync the phone call to the footage,” Bob Owens tells me, “you’ll notice that Ronald Ritchie, the caller, makes claims that are not true.” Among those claims, the Guardian records, were that “Crawford was pointing the air rifle at customers,” that he threatened “two children,” and that he was recklessly “waving it around.” This does not appear to have been the case. Indeed, when the lattermost statement was made, Owens notes, “the gun’s muzzle was pointed to the ground.” So pronounced are the discrepancies between Ritchie’s story and the surveillance footage that John Crawford’s family is hoping to take legal action. “He’s basically lying with the dispatchers,” the family’s attorney, Michael Wright argues. “He’s making up the story. So should he be prosecuted? Yes, I believe so.”

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Quote:911 caller Ritchie’s exaggerated call is eerily similar to the kind of call advocated by left-wing radio host Mike Malloy and some Moms Demand Action supporters who apparently want long-gun open carriers shot by police.

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Be careful out there. There's always a few murderous leftist liars that would get a kick from having the police kill their political opponents for them.
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(10-03-2014 05:03 PM)assman Wrote:  Ohio Wal-Mart Where Cops Shot Black Man Pulls Pellet Guns from Shelves

The Ohio Wal-Mart where a young black man was shot and killed by police while holding a pellet gun is no longer selling the specific assault rifle-style model the man was holding and has taken all the air-powered guns off its shelves.

An attorney for Crawford III’s [the deceased] family told NBC News that the pellet guns should have been removed from shelves long ago.

"If this was done a long long time ago," said Michael Wright, "Mr. Crawford might still be alive. If these air guns are indistinguishable from real guns, then they definitely should not have been sitting on the shelves."


Remember, it's always the fault of the inanimate object, especially if said inanimate object is a gun (or just looks like a gun), never that of the actors themselves. Dodgy

It's these cops that should be removed from the streets.
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(10-03-2014 05:42 PM)DjembaDjemba Wrote:  It's these cops that should be removed from the streets.
Plenty of blame to go around on this one:
1. the deceased for picking up that unpackaged air rifle and walking around with it, swinging it around

2. the cop for being too itchy on the trigger

3. most of all, IMO, the caller, who LIED about what the deceased was doing with the toy rifle ('loading it', 'pointing it at people', describing it as an actual rifle, etc.), and set the responding cops on edge.

But nope, let's just blame the inanimate object and get rid of it.

While we're at it, let's stop selling cars. That would eliminate motor vehicle deaths.
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Aside, I'm from OH and would NEVER get a CCW permit.. why? Because any time a cop pulls you over for anything, they make you get out of the car, lay down on the ground and essentially detain you until they search the whole car for your weapon.

A friend and a neighbor both had this occur.

The kid in this video was just walking around with the pellet gun treating it as if it was a toy, and essentially when unloaded it is, However pellets and bb's are not locked up yet obviously can be just as deadly as a gun powder weapon.

Plain and simple these cops way over reacted. Cops are so God damned worried about "their safety" in these situation over the public's safety that they'll gladly thrown rationalization out the window to "protect" themselves. This kid was meandering with a gun that was likely unloaded and was simply too stupid to know any better.

Remember before tazers when cops couldn't be pussies and had to physically confront unsubdued suspects? Yea, they were more rational then.
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(10-03-2014 08:59 PM)Ingocnito Wrote:  Aside, I'm from OH and would NEVER get a CCW permit.. why? Because any time a cop pulls you over for anything, they make you get out of the car, lay down on the ground and essentially detain you until they search the whole car for your weapon.

A friend and a neighbor both had this occur.
The response to police overreach shouldn't be foregoing ever more of your rights.

Fight to change the current Ohio LEO approach to law abiding gun owners. There is a large OH gun forum, and they are politically active. http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/
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