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Lars von Trier's Depression Trilogy
Has anybody here watched Lars von Trier's Depression Trilogy? If so I'd love to start a discussion. The anticipation of Nymphomaniac was discussed in http://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-30338.html but no actualy conversation of the film took place.

I thought about starting by writing a review but I think it's very difficult to do so without offering massive spoilers for his three films, Antichrist, Melancholia, and Nymphomaniac. All are available on Netflix at the moment and I highly recommend that you devote a few hours to watching them.

Although nominally about depression one some of the other major themes of his latest three works are women and the relationship between men and women - particularly with regards to sexuality. These are by far some of the most honest and bareboned examinations of how men and women really interact that I've ever seen.

Antichrist in particular was labeled as one of the most mysognistic films of all time - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/rev...hrink.html - which only makes sense if you view it with the same literalism that a fundamentalist interprets the bible. Instead it's a rich film filled with metaphor which although it has allowed feminists to embrace it, http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/200...inist.html, ultimately offers one of the most real depictions I've ever seen of a man grappling with female sexualtiy.

I hope that's enough to entice those of you who haven't seen the trilogy to watch it and for those who have seen them movies to discuss them. From here on out I think spoilers are unavoidable so you've been warned.
10-11-2014 03:45 AM
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RE: Lars von Trier's Depression Trilogy
I have seen both Antichrist and Nymphomaniac. Lars van Trier is one in a long line of European "art" directors who creates movies depicting life even worse and more negative than it is already.

Whenever you feel like watching a love story where the protagonist dies in the end a useless death while slipping on ice and cracking her head open (real example of a European "love" movie I saw years ago), then go ahead.

The sex scenes from the movies are either performed via rubber penis or by hired porn starlets. Meanwhile the actors have fucked each other and everyone possible during production anyway (I know an assistant in production of von Trier).

Life isn't as drab and depressing as his movies. If it were then way more people should be committing suicide.
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RE: Lars von Trier's Depression Trilogy
Von Trier is living proof of many of the red pill principles we discuss here:
Quote:In 1989, Von Trier's mother revealed on her deathbed that the man who he thought was his father was not, and that she had had a tryst with her former employer, Fritz Michael Hartmann (1909–2000),[67] who descended from a long line of Roman Catholic classical musicians (his grandfather was Emil Hartmann, his great grandfather J.P.E. Hartmann, his uncles included Niels Gade and Johan Ernst Hartmann and thus Niels Viggo Bentzon was his cousin). She stated that she did this to give her son "artistic genes".[68]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lars_von_Tr...sonal_life

His movies are in some sense him expressing his personal story and how he's come to terms with feminine nature. They're not documentaries and certainly not meant to be taken literally or even enjoyed (on a plot level - visually I think they're stunning). I think they offer a counterpoint to the typical rom-com which is just as unrealistic in the opposite direction. Antichrist goes out of it's way to let you know that the scenes in Eden are a warped reality. On the very shallowest level the stuff that happens to the male protagonist is a graphical depiction of the typical metaphors men use to describe their relationship with women. It's a modern myth. Nobody actually thinks Sisyphus is actually stuck in eternity pushed a rock up a hill but yet the imagery is powerful and resonates with our emotional experience of certain aspects of life.

And who cares how they made the sex scenes or what the actors were doing on or off camera? It's a movie.
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I tried watched Antichrist after seeing it on a list of Top Most Disturbing Movies of All Time.

Couldn't really get into it and it definitely wasn't an enjoyable watch for me. I see the artistic merit and the actual direction was good if I remember.

I would definitely like to understand this and other of his movies more.

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RE: Lars von Trier's Depression Trilogy
Nymphomaniac shows the true power of female sexuality better than any other film in history, bar none.
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I also think Nymphomaniac does a great job of exploring how women relate to different kinds of men - including white knights. He presents a pretty solid takedown of societies obsession with political correctness as well.
Quote:They elevate those who say right but mean wrong and mock those who say wrong but mean right.

I took the message at the end of the movie to be men who apologize for women's sexuality are hypocrites just trying to get laid and women despise them for it.
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RE: Lars von Trier's Depression Trilogy
I tried to watch Dogville some time back. Turns out the movie takes place on a stage the entire running time. Fuck that pretentious shit. If I wanna see theater, then that's where I'll go.

But I'll give these a shot. Thanks, OP.
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I tried to watch Antichrist today and saw 25 minutes before turning it off. It was decent and I don't mind very different kinds of films such as this, but to me it just wasn't done that well. It was boring. A film can be artistic and weird but like any film, it should hold your attention too.

For me anyway, Antichrist didn't.
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I think Lars Trier has lost the plot long ago. He is a nihilist, hedonist and probably a sort of luceferianian satanist. His newer films are purely focused on suffering, debasement and dark thoughts. They are not constructive in any way. Stay clear!

The only great work he did was The Kingdom which is truly brilliant, scary and funny. I think he lost the plot soon after that.
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I was very impressed by von Trier and Danish film in general back in the Dogme 95 days.

As I've gotten older, I find myself less able to enjoy the works of von Trier and likeminded filmmakers. Berserk says the man's a nihilist, and maybe that's it. I think most of the European arthouse crowd are nihilists. Their work is often clever but hollow - focusing on people trapped by circumstances yet rarely doing much about it.

Take Melancholia for example: it has moments of beauty and a great classical score, but the world is about to end and everybody is just passively waiting for death. The only thing that rouses them to action is the petty cause of being shitty to each other or crying.

Well, fuck that! If a rogue planet was about to collide with the Earth, I'd rather see people doing something - desperately trying to build a shelter, even partying like it's the end of the world. Anything but await death like a stunned lamb in an abattoir.

The sort of stuff I used to find clever or insightful mostly pisses me off now. I'd rather see a celebration of the human spirit - even if it is a simplistic good guys v baddies tale like The Avengers - than a clever filmmaker showing us how awful we can be and how hopeless the human condition is.

Life is a precious, fleeting thing. If you don't do something with it - fight, fuck, laugh, create - you're wasting it. Most European avant-garde and independent cinema strikes me as culturally rotted, like a fine wine turned to vinegar.

That's not surprising, the wider art establishment is of like mind, full of oh-so-clever people who fetishise ugliness and despair. It's sterile and masturbatory. It's a stagnant pool with decomposing shit floating to the top.

I do like this von Trier quote though:

Quote:my DP on [Melancholia], Manuel Claro, at one point voiced a surprising prejudice. He urged me not to fall into the trap that so many aging directors fall into – that the women get younger and younger and nuder and nuder. That's all I needed to hear. I most definitely intend for the women in my films to get younger and younger and nuder and nuder.
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Hey guys. I have always been curious about art house films but as stated, the depressing themes and piles of dog crap that you have to step through to find gold has often turned me off from truly exploring the genre. Should I check out all of Lars work or only a few of his movies or where do I start!?
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Bump to hope fully get a reply to earlier post
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I watched the trilogy over the last week.

I'm really glad I stumbled upon von Trier, by far the most artistic and visually stunning set of films I have ever seen.

I'm naturally attracted to the stranger sides of art, so this was right up my alley.
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I always have a backlog of films to watch, just finished Nymphomaniac. Takes a long time to eliminate the backlog, so when it comes to foreign art films, I of course endeavored to watch Blue is the Warmest Color first. I will say, just a digression, that that film alone is worth the watch to get a hint about the fluidity of female sexuality regardless of the fact that it was directed by a man.

Well I got through my foreign art film backlog, so then it was time to familiarize myself with Von Trier's work. Of course I've been reading about the guys for years, he's definitely a provocateur, but had been delaying watching his films because of explicit sexual scenes among other things. Couple weeks ago, I watched "The House that Jack Built" (2018), to get a primer to his heavier work: Nymphomaniac. A bit off topic, but I thought it was a fantastic film even though critical reception was 50/50. The humor in it, if it is to be viewed as a humorous comedy, or a dark comedy, was so dark, I wasn't sure if I was supposed to be laughing or not. Graphic depictions of killings, and so on. Anyway, that's not what I'm writing about.

Finally finished Nymphomaniac Volumes 1 & 2. The run time is something like 6 hours. The synopsis of the film is simple: it explores a woman's sexuality from the time she discovers her sexuality to the present. She is a sex addict. To be honest I watched the film because I am a big fan of Shia LaBeouf, and his recent work seems to be crap, like Transformers and his art installation, "He will not divide us".

The film takes place in what I presume to be a Nordic sexually liberated country, probably Denmark. But of course everyone speaks in English so I have no idea. I think the film is quite red-pilled even though there is some cultural marxism that sneaks in-- for example the scene where the main character is double-teamed by african migrants that can't speak english. A good example of the red-pill would be the amount of time the main character devotes to being whipped by a BDSM master, to the detriment of her husband and child.

The film is organized in chapters, covering the woman's whole sexual life. She initially discovers she's a sex addict. It covers losing her virginity to Shia LaBeouf, to slutty late teens early 20's, and so on. Later she is reunited with Shia and is smitten with him even though she has trouble acting on it.

This film is super graphic, I mean like full on explicit sex scenes, women being abused, BDSM, closeups, and a depiction of an abortion which I found gross and over the top. But that's Lars for you.

Watch at your own risk, very graphic, but a very red-pilled film. So many insights about women, relationships, sex, human nature etc. Provided you can dedicate 6 hours to it. For me, one of the most controversial films in recent memory, and huge impact on sex/ relationships in film... Right up there with 50 Shades of Gray and Blue is the Warmest Color.
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(((Lars von Trier)))
That's all you need to know.

Stay away from jewish made stories....which means 95% of films, TV shows, and mainstream news sources.
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^^Oh come on mate, what a bore. His step father is a Jew. His real father is a German. He told a whole crowd of people he's a Nazi. Why are such proclamations never good enough for you mate?

I have a simple solution for you, don't watch film or TV if you're worried about Jews.





You know who else was a Jew? Jesus. Yet I never see you complaining about his affect on popular culture...
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(07-07-2019 05:54 PM)Lost in Transfiguration Wrote:  I have a simple solution for you, don't watch film or TV if you're worried about Jews.

I've already been doing that for years. I don't have a TV, don't go to the cinema, and try to avoid most western mainstream news.


We now live in a world where almost all stories (fiction & non-fiction) are made up or told to us by jews.
Most people do not even know anything else since birth except jewish storytelling.


(07-07-2019 05:54 PM)Lost in Transfiguration Wrote:  You know who else was a Jew? Jesus. Yet I never see you complaining about his affect on popular culture..


With a username like Caduceus do you really think I'm christian ?
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Great man next time you decide to hijack a thread, use a bit more tact. Or confine yourself to the JQ thread.

Seriously mate zero value added. You call some guy a jew who isn't even a jew. Refine your concern trolling to target actual jews.

I can help you if you need any help, because I'm Israeli!
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I've seen Melancholia. It manages to take pre-wall Kirsten Dunst and give her nudity that is in no way sexy.

I've had my share of planetary body or sun colliding with the earth nightmares and this was definitely nightmarish, similar to the Twilight Zone episode where the earth is shifting its orbit.

Based on that film it seems like Trier is definitely disinterested in giving the audience any sort of payoff. I didn't feel the ending of that movie was really satisfactory. I realize that's the point, but in the end you invest a small portion of your life into watching a movie in the hopes of it giving you some sort of payoff.
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^^ So its more of a horror film?
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I have only seen Melancholia. It was obviously a subversive de-motivational movie. It has nice visuals but nothing else. Do not watch it, it might demotivate you.

It's about two sisters.
One is industrious, faithful Christian woman who got rich trough both her work and trough being noticed and married by a rich man.
Another is a slutty drug user who gets wasted on her wedding night and cheats on her fiancee with some loser on the very event. All this despite tremendous efforts of her prudent sister to bring her in line. Her excuse for wasting her life and time of people who want to help her is depression.

The movie portrays the slutty sister as superior to the moral sister in face of unbeatable death from another planet coming to crash with Earth. All the industrious people who are used to take control over their lives lose their shit when they understand that there is nothing they can do. The slutty bitch keeps her calm and acts as their leader in the last few minutes. But in the end they all die so it is pointless anyway.

The movie assumes an atheist world where there is nothing but pointless death in the end so you might as well spend some time wasting your life being depressed and addicted to drugs. All the people that try to achieve something, like building wealth or family or civilization are useless. That is literally the message.

If you got scarred by the movie - realize there is Divine Providence, it will not allow humanity to perish, all your actions that make this world better echo in eternity, everything good you do goes around and benefits your children or next generation of humanity in general, there is steady evolution towards good in this world even if you do not see it due to bad circumstances. The forces of dearness to which the director of this movie belongs want you to not see it and become a disillusioned pessimist with a depression. To make you depressed the director had to invoke a totally out of this world scenario of another huge celestial body appearing out of nowhere and heading for earth. In real life there is always something you can do. In the real life there is always something you can do to make the situation better and even your own personal end is not the end of all humanity.
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von Trier is a total degenerate. Western culture must move on from the death cult of 1960s-derived subversion as "art". Just click the off button.

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(07-07-2019 06:11 PM)Lost in Transfiguration Wrote:  Great man next time you decide to hijack a thread, use a bit more tact. Or confine yourself to the JQ thread.

Seriously mate zero value added. You call some guy a jew who isn't even a jew. Refine your concern trolling to target actual jews.

I can help you if you need any help, because I'm Israeli!

He was raised as a Jew, then later in life he found out he was adopted and is not actually a Jew by blood. So he got all the cultural upbringing of your Tribe, and then the added self-loathing of finding out he's a "Nazi" (his words, that's what he thinks of Gentiles).

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(07-07-2019 10:51 PM)RawGod Wrote:  von Trier is a total degenerate. Western culture must move on from the death cult of 1960s-derived subversion as "art". Just click the off button.

I found a good film void of degenerate messages, it's called "Old yeller" maybe you want to check it out. Another good option is Lassie.

Quote:He was raised as a Jew, then later in life he found out he was adopted and is not actually a Jew by blood. So he got all the cultural upbringing of your Tribe, and then the added self-loathing of finding out he's a "Nazi" (his words, that's what he thinks of Gentiles).

His parents were not religious and neither was the adoptive father who was Jewish. Try again mate. He describes himself:

Quote:I'm a very bad Catholic. In fact I'm becoming more and more of an atheist.

If you knew anything about Judaism you would know that you get it from your mother, not the father. Much less an adoptive father.
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(07-07-2019 11:13 PM)Lost in Transfiguration Wrote:  
(07-07-2019 10:51 PM)RawGod Wrote:  von Trier is a total degenerate. Western culture must move on from the death cult of 1960s-derived subversion as "art". Just click the off button.

I found a good film void of degenerate messages, it's called "Old yeller" maybe you want to check it out. Another good option is Lassie.

Quote:He was raised as a Jew, then later in life he found out he was adopted and is not actually a Jew by blood. So he got all the cultural upbringing of your Tribe, and then the added self-loathing of finding out he's a "Nazi" (his words, that's what he thinks of Gentiles).

His parents were not religious and neither was the adoptive father who was Jewish. Try again mate. He describes himself:

Quote:I'm a very bad Catholic. In fact I'm becoming more and more of an atheist.

If you knew anything about Judaism you would know that you get it from your mother, not the father. Much less an adoptive father.

To other readers, take careful note of the stereotypical Jewish behavior displayed by this poster. Endearing, isn't it? Like the subversion of Lars von Trier, it has nothing to do with the mother's identity or religion, and everything to do with a cultural tendency of - let's say, unpleasantness and hostility. Note he will continue to post (unless banned) but every post will display only evasions, lies, and chutzpah. I will not engage him again; but read on below, fellow RooshVers! Note his responses, and the techniques he employs. Note even his self-loathing avatar; this type of Jew lives in a world of pain.

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