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(10-15-2014 11:23 AM)Constitution45 Wrote:  I would say the one advantage that the black community has, its that despite the social and civilizational breakdown in these communities, they still have high birth rates. European will soon have neither, which is the real cause of concern that no one really addresses.

Actually, I believe that white birthrates are at or slightly above replacement levels among the poorer, less educated whites, primarily in the south. (IE: the "red states")

It's only among educated, primarily progressive "blue state" whites that the birth rates are slightly negative.

If I'm right on this (correct me if I'm wrong), we're seeing what many on this forum have already said: the "progressive" SWPLs are going extinct and are being overtaken by those that don't exactly espouse their oh-so-tolerant beliefs.

Whether this is ultimately a good or a bad thing remains to be seen.

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Good, this means we can fuck more bitches are more women are on the market.

Because we all know that we would never fuck a married woman because adultery is a feminist trait.



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(10-15-2014 01:39 PM)Cattle Rustler Wrote:  Good, this means we can fuck more bitches are more women are on the market.

Because we all know that we would never fuck a married woman because adultery is a feminist trait.

I thought this was a huge part of your game?
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(10-15-2014 01:33 PM)Libertas Wrote:  
(10-15-2014 11:23 AM)Constitution45 Wrote:  I would say the one advantage that the black community has, its that despite the social and civilizational breakdown in these communities, they still have high birth rates. European will soon have neither, which is the real cause of concern that no one really addresses.

Actually, I believe that white birthrates are at or slightly above replacement levels among the poorer, less educated whites, primarily in the south. (IE: the "red states")

It's only among educated, primarily progressive "blue state" whites that the birth rates are slightly negative.

If I'm right on this (correct me if I'm wrong), we're seeing what many on this forum have already said: the "progressive" SWPLs are going extinct and are being overtaken by those that don't exactly espouse their oh-so-tolerant beliefs.

Whether this is ultimately a good or a bad thing remains to be seen.

correct...between churches and trailer parks there is no shortage of babies here in the south

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(10-15-2014 11:37 AM)Constitution45 Wrote:  Oh yes, In the city I am currently living in, this is becoming increasingly common. A couple of girls in my university course converted to Islam after getting involved with muslim men. I wouldn't brand it as being common, but it is defiantly a trend.

I’m British and I live in LA. I go back to UK every year and I definitely noticed an increase in white women wearing headscarves. In UK Christianity is basically dead amongst the mainstream British population, and many of the Muslim population visibly stick to their faith and are not ashamed if it. Muslims also tend to have strong ties with their extended families, whereas the mainstream British population has some of the highest rates of teenage pregnancy in Europe. If they want a guy who’s got strong family values then some Muslim men can give them that.

Even in the US, a Korean-American woman I used to bang years ago later married a Muslim Turkish guy. She said that she fell in love with him because he had a great relationship with his family. In her own Christian family, her sister was a divorced single mother, her father was a backwards racist arsehole, and her brother barely interacted with the rest of his family because his wife didn’t get on with them.

Here's a few reasons for the conversions

Quote:According to Kevin Brice from ­Swansea University, who has specialised in studying white conversion to Islam, these women are part of an intriguing trend.

He explains: ‘They seek spirituality, a higher meaning, and tend to be deep thinkers. The other type of women who turn to Islam are what I call “converts of convenience”. They’ll assume the trappings of the religion to please their Muslim husband and his family, but won’t necessarily attend mosque, pray or fast.’

Quote:The turning point for Kristiane came when she met and briefly dated the former Pakistani cricketer and Muslim Imran Khan in 1992 during the height of her career. He took her to Pakistan where she says she was immediately touched by spirituality and the warmth of the people.

Kristiane says: ‘Though our relationship didn’t last, I began to study the Muslim faith and eventually converted. Because of the nature of my job, I’d been out interviewing rock stars, travelling all over the world and following every trend, yet I’d felt empty inside. Now, at last, I had contentment because Islam had given me a purpose in life.’

‘In the West, we are stressed for super­ficial reasons, like what clothes to wear. In Islam, everyone looks to a higher goal. Everything is done to please God. It was a completely different value system.


'Despite my lifestyle, I felt empty inside and realised how liberating it was to be a Muslim. To follow only one god makes life purer. You are not chasing every fad.

‘I grew up in Germany in a not very religious Protestant family. I drank and I partied, but I realised that we need to behave well now so we have a good after-life. We are responsible for our own actions.’

Quote:'Evidence suggests that the ratio of Western women converts to male could be as high as 2:1,’ says Kevin Brice.

Quote:For some converts, Islam represents a celebration of old-fashioned family values.

‘Some are drawn to the sense of belonging and of community — values which have eroded in the West,’
says Haifaa Jawad, a senior lecturer at the University of Birmingham, who has studied the white conversion phenomenon.

‘Many people, from all walks of life, mourn the loss in today’s society of traditional respect for the elderly and for women, for example. These are values which are enshrined in the Koran, which Muslims have to live by,’ adds Brice.
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Richard the Lionheart is rolling around in his grave.

"How Muhammad is now the most popular name for baby boys in England and Wales... but it doesn't top official list because there are so many ways to spell it
Muhammad is the most popular name for baby boys in England and Wales"

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...ll-it.html




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(10-15-2014 12:27 AM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  Spot on, Samulus.

It's irretrievably broken, and the question now is what historical parallels we can use to guide us as to what to expect.

I think we'll continue to see:

*Slowly increasing levels of civil disturbances, possibly even riots over jobs, food, and public services.

In short, Roman history from 250-400 A.D.

Interesting parallell drawn there... I didn't realize there were that set of things in Rome.

But that's a 150 years period, most of us won't see more than about 60 more, and those of us in our 50s hopefully less than 35.

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(10-15-2014 05:51 PM)Kingsley Davis Wrote:  Richard the Lionheart is rolling around in his grave.

"How Muhammad is now the most popular name for baby boys in England and Wales... but it doesn't top official list because there are so many ways to spell it
Muhammad is the most popular name for baby boys in England and Wales"

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...ll-it.html




That's just scaremongering by the Daily Mail. Almost every Muslim boy has the name Mohammed (however it is spelled) as part of his name. Nearly all of these boys will have other names and will likely be referred to by the other name e.g. Mohamed Yusuf will be called Yusuf by his friends and family.
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(10-15-2014 06:56 PM)WalterBlack Wrote:  [quote='Kingsley Davis' pid='854155' dateline='1413413512']
Richard the Lionheart is rolling around in his grave.

"How Muhammad is now the most popular name for baby boys in England and Wales... but it doesn't top official list because there are so many ways to spell it
Muhammad is the most popular name for baby boys in England and Wales"

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...ll-it.html




"That's just scaremongering by the Daily Mail. Almost every Muslim boy has the name Mohammed (however it is spelled) as part of his name. Nearly all of these boys will have other names and will likely be referred to by the other name e.g. Mohamed Yusuf will be called Yusuf by his friends and family."
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Scaremongering that Mohammed/Muhammad/Yusef/Yusufis is the most common name for baby boys in a non muslim (yet) nation?

Wtf

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^^^

Read between the lines - it's a polite way for the Daily Mail to imply that Britain is being taken over by Muslims, whereas in reality the UK is approx 4-5% Muslim. The Daily Mail is almost as bad as Fox News sometimes
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Marriage rates will go up again when men men have something to gain from marriage again.

Aside from prestige and social acceptance in some high powered circles, modern men have no advantages to gain from marriage. Sex? anyone with some decent game or bankroll can get that anytime. Company? well, have you spent time with any one woman, day and night, for more than a week? I would tear my eyes out if I had to go through that again. Children? Well, you dont need to be married for that. Respect and love from a woman? what a joke. Emotional support? please...
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(10-15-2014 07:50 PM)WalterBlack Wrote:  ^^^

Read between the lines - it's a polite way for the Daily Mail to imply that Britain is being taken over by Muslims, whereas in reality the UK is approx 4-5% Muslim. The Daily Mail is almost as bad as Fox News sometimes

For now.

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^^^^^^^
The above article is based on a faulty premise. It assumes women are voluntarily single but offers no proof how this conclusion was drawn. Since men have historically done the asking in marriage, the first question should have been "Are men still doing the asking?"

As far as I can see, the answer is "no." If women were staying single by choice but men were gunning to get married, we'd have seen memes or articles by now on the massive "rejection epidemic" where women are refusing rings. As far as I know, this ain't happening.

My own theory: I think the single biggest influence that turned an entire generation of men off marriage was the TV show "Everybody Loves Raymond."

Intentionally or not, it presented being a husband as such a thankless task, that I think this got into the psyches of guys who came of age when it was a hit. The unattractive wife didn't help, either. At least "Home Improvement" (its older brother in spirit) had a hot mom.
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How did you come up with that theory? I didn't think that the show was that important culturally.
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(10-16-2014 10:32 PM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  My own theory: I think the single biggest influence that turned an entire generation of men off marriage was the TV show "Everybody Loves Raymond."

I tried watching that show a couple of times, and it sickened me. I did like the dad though (Peter Boyle).

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The gameplan is clear: kill the family, replace it with government.
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(10-15-2014 08:03 PM)germanico Wrote:  Marriage rates will go up again when men men have something to gain from marriage again.

Aside from prestige and social acceptance in some high powered circles, modern men have no advantages to gain from marriage. Sex? anyone with some decent game or bankroll can get that anytime. Company? well, have you spent time with any one woman, day and night, for more than a week? I would tear my eyes out if I had to go through that again. Children? Well, you dont need to be married for that. Respect and love from a woman? what a joke. Emotional support? please...

You would think that it's men who's turning away from the altar, but surprisingly more women then men are shunning marriage, relationships, and children.

Excelsior talked a lot about this on RoK.

http://www.returnofkings.com/10723/how-t...as-flipped

http://www.returnofkings.com/7765/how-yo...up-culture

Here's one of the links he provided:

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/heal...43219110/1

^ Check out the infographic on the top of the page. Combine this with the fact that even women in their 30's are flooded with dick, and the conclusions about men avoiding the altar just aren't true. In spite of the shit environment for men, it's actually women are are refusing men.

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(10-16-2014 10:34 PM)kbell Wrote:  How did you come up with that theory? I didn't think that the show was that important culturally.

It was in the Top Ten for its final six seasons. It was the biggest family sitcom of its era.

TV is way more influential than newspapers or magazines. Andy Warhol once said being on TV for ten minutes made him more famous than write-ups in even the most prestigious newspapers.

My guess is that a show with that tone being broadcast into so many homes had to have some influence. Just my feeling -- no proof to back it up. Most guys now probably wouldn't remember watching it as kids and being put off by the mom and the way she treated Ray, but it probably seeped into their heads.
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(10-16-2014 10:32 PM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  My own theory: I think the single biggest influence that turned an entire generation of men off marriage was the TV show "Everybody Loves Raymond."

Intentionally or not, it presented being a husband as such a thankless task, that I think this got into the psyches of guys who came of age when it was a hit. The unattractive wife didn't help, either. At least "Home Improvement" (its older brother in spirit) had a hot mom.


I remember when that show used to air and my family used to watch it (I was a teenager during its run). That show was always so annoying and I am not sure why my parents liked it (my parents don't have that kind of dysfunctional "husband is the idiot" relationship either). It's more or less 'normal'. The show showed men as either idiots (Ray), dirty and emotionally distant (Frank, also the show's only real man), or plain weird (Robert). Sure Ray's wife was a housewife but almost every episode was about Ray messing up and then hiding it from Debra before she ultimately found out and fixed the problem. Even back then when I knew nothing about game or the 'red pill' I used to think why is he so scared of her for no reason? What's the big deal if he wants to watch the game or go play golf with his friends? I am sure though that the show is reflective of a lot of marriages where the wife has all the power and the husbands is literally scared of the wife.
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