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Does society today refuse to acknowledge limits?
I've started noticing more and more these days that the general public refuses to accept that certain things simply aren't possible. That limits exist on what can be done.

Maybe it's the media's sound bites, but a few examples are the family of the guy who died from Ebola in Texas. I guess there was some experimental drug grown in tobacco plants, and they've used up the supply. People were asking 'how can there not be any more? If the president got sick, would there be any?'. People simply in shock that somehow, a drug which needs a month's lead time, for a virus with no real cure, that only recently became pandemic, wasn't in unlimited supply.

Or with that ISIS thing in Kobani "Why can't they just go in and bomb the shit out of everyone? Why can't they go in there, with zero risk to Americans, while killing no civilians, and solve the problem? What do you mean that *can't*?"

It reminds me of the movie/book lone survivor. You go to war, but then you impose limits on soldiers that no innocent people can die. They then said that 'If that's the case, maybe you shouldn't go to war in the first place, because war by it's very nature mean innocent people are going to die.' Against their better judgement they acquiesced, and paid for it with their lives. But why were such constraints expected in the first place given this is war?

Not sure where it comes from, but the only thing I can think of is that society in the west has never really known hardship or rationing. If you need gas you go buy it. If you want 10,000 liters, well with the money you can go and get it too. The idea that 'that's not possible' or 'there is none left' simply doesn't register to most people I think.
10-14-2014 10:25 PM
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RE: Does society today refuse to acknowledge limits?
Don't worry: every 70 years or so a major economic or military crisis seems to come along to reorient our thinking in these respects. Flappers were a plague on 1920s society, the rough equivalent of today's modern woman, but come the Depression they vanished like shallow puddles of water in a desert sun.
10-14-2014 11:04 PM
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RE: Does society today refuse to acknowledge limits?
That's the problem. The Boomers, GenX and Millenials have never known real hardship. Because there has always been "enough" to go around, the concept of limits is impossible to fathom.

We have not known famine. We have seen a number of diseases disappear (polio for example). So when something new comes along that pushes limits, everyone assumes that "someone" or "something" is pulling the strings causing this shortage intentionally.

Similarly, we see the reactions to articles by Tuthmosis and Matt Forney as a similar response. Something fails to conform to an existing view of the world, people lose their tiny little minds.

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10-14-2014 11:04 PM
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RE: Does society today refuse to acknowledge limits?
In general, Americans do not like quantifying and/or analyzing things, and thus do not like limits. Unsure if the arrow of causality is Americans not liking limits because they do not like quantifying/analyzing things, or vice versa--since to define limits, one has to take a quantitative/analytical approach.

If I were into just-so explanations, I would speculate that this is some sort of Manifest Destiny-legacy (I don't really believe this).

(10-14-2014 10:25 PM)Seadog Wrote:  Or with that ISIS thing in Kobani "Why can't they just go in and bomb the shit out of everyone? Why can't they go in there, with zero risk to Americans, while killing no civilians, and solve the problem? What do you mean that *can't*?"

Similarly:
  • What do you mean my fertility declines exponentially after my late-twenties?
  • What do you mean I won't be able to attract men in my 30s as I did in my teens and 20s?
  • What do you mean the government can't just spend more money? Isn't it free? Okay, maybe it isn't free... can't it just borrow more? Not really? Okay, we can just tax the rich then... oh... not enough? I guess the middle class too... still not enough? Whatever, forget it, I'm sure it's free.
  • What do you mean there's a more than material chance that female accusations of sexual assault/rape against males are spurious? We should just take women's word for it, unlike those filthy misogynists, and temporarily suspend that stupid due process and innocent before proven guilty mumbo jumbo.
  • What do you mean we can't just have more women in tech/finance/high-profile career positions? Can't we just shake-down chauvinistic male company founders and C-Suite members, and tell women to lean-in?
  • What do you mean we can't just close the Asian/white versus black/latino standardized test-score gap? Can't we spend more money and just hire better teachers or spend more on school buildings or something? Or wish for hope and change? Whatever, those tests are just racist, anyway.
  • What do you mean that credentialed education isn't paramount? Surely the only thing stopping everyone from becoming scientists, doctors, and start-up founders is a degree or two.
  • What do you mean that easy government-subsidized college-financing only makes college more expensive due to artificially higher quantity-demanded? College should be free. Just as we discussed, the government can just spend more money.

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10-14-2014 11:32 PM
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RE: Does society today refuse to acknowledge limits?
Sort of reminds me of that saying that no matter how many cooks you have in the kitchen, you can't cook a turkey any faster.

I finally found an article I was looking for last night.

http://earlyretirementextreme.com/why-it...money.html

Basically, one of the main points is that for Americans, they think the lynchpin to a secure health, is good health insurance, rather than being healthy. That no matter what happens, once the shit hits the fan the insurance company will throw their money at you, and with enough money, you can get fixed up, no different than a car in a garage.
10-15-2014 11:52 AM
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RE: Does society today refuse to acknowledge limits?
Limits? Bro this is the USA.
You can fly.





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That's why you see real life alphas without chicks. He's doing him.

Real alphas don't tend to have game. They don't tend to care about the emotional lives of the people around them."

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10-15-2014 12:16 PM
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RE: Does society today refuse to acknowledge limits?
Agree with the OP. One thing that I've seen around the forum lately that I like is that the "game trumps everything" mentality has waned some. It's important, but at least guys on here recognize that there are things out of their control that will impact their abilities with women, along with other facets of life. Thinking that everything is always within your control will drive you to insanity. Best mentality to have is the serenity prayer:



God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
The courage to change the things I can,
And the wisdom to know the difference.

Civilize the mind but make savage the body.
10-19-2014 01:30 PM
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RE: Does society today refuse to acknowledge limits?
Failure teaches limits, and since there is a generation or three that haven't been allowed to fail of course everything is possible. It's a feature now.
10-19-2014 01:55 PM
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RE: Does society today refuse to acknowledge limits?
(10-19-2014 01:55 PM)Mr. B Wrote:  Failure teaches limits, and since there is a generation or three that haven't been allowed to fail of course everything is possible. It's a feature now.

I've got to remember that one as that is a well put succinct lesson. This is why, as teenager my sensei sent me up a sparring division, beyond my weight, skill and age for two months. I destroyed everyone in my own division and got too big for my britches. Getting my clock cleaned taught me that I have limits.

Kids, and people (well single mothers mostly) are not allowed to fail these days and so don't 'feel' that smack of hitting bottom that makes you think twice about rushing balls out, unprepared and impulsively into any situation.

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10-19-2014 07:29 PM
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RE: Does society today refuse to acknowledge limits?
The main reason Jimmy Carter became unpopular is that he tried to talk about limits to Americans.
10-20-2014 02:47 AM
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RE: Does society today refuse to acknowledge limits?
Limits is the wrong word. Not being grounded in reality, which ties in to not having hardships definitely plays a part. If limits are not pushed then how can you find them? Granted that should be done through constructive pursuts. Dr Howard's example is telling. I would bet he learned about himself. I have found that when I let myself get soft, I have to dig myself out of a mental pit.
10-20-2014 03:09 AM
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RE: Does society today refuse to acknowledge limits?
(10-20-2014 03:09 AM)rustins Wrote:  Limits is the wrong word. Not being grounded in reality, which ties in to not having hardships definitely plays a part. If limits are not pushed then how can you find them? Granted that should be done through constructive pursuts. Dr Howard's example is telling. I would bet he learned about himself. I have found that when I let myself get soft, I have to dig myself out of a mental pit.

We're surrounded by adult children.

People have been raised to believe that someone else - their parents, or their surrogate parents in government - will always bail them out. And they expect even their precious feelings to be protected by censorship and trigger warnings.

It's particularly bad for women, because they've traditionally expected men to take care of them anyway, but men aren't immune.

Take the Occupy phenomenon: that was a temper tantrum thrown by 20somethings demanding "Why isn't my four year degree "free"? And whaddaya mean, nobody except Starbucks wants to hire me? I was led to understand my degree in feminist anthropology and windsurfing would make blue-chip corporations desperate to employ me as a Vice President of something! Capitalism is shit, as I'll explain by tweeting on my iPad!"

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Unreality abounds.

Take the feminist/SJW gender delusion, and Facebook's infamous 71 gender options. That's a symptom of a society in which a substantial minority of people have gone off the rails, drank the Kool Aid, taken the express train to Crazy Town.

Because there aren't 71 genders. There are only men, women, and weirdos. "Challenging the gender binary", as these folks are wont to say, as if they were brave and enlightened pioneers, is just sticking two fingers up at reality. Not that reality gives a shit - it'll come down like a ton of bricks anyway, as it always does.

But in the meantime we have people running around saying 71 variants on fuck you, I'm a dragon!, and demanding that we cater to their special snowflake delusions or they'll scream.

A few years ago we all laughed at, and felt sorry for, trannies and other confused sideshow freaks. Now they're the elite shock troops of the SJW movement, and politically correct government busybodies and education bureaucrats are scrambling to accomodate the transgendered, while the media talks up their wonderfulness. They're the hottest new cause in the progressive fantasy bullshit dramasphere.

There's a Weimar Republic feel to the modern age. Whatever happens, when reality dusts down its knuckles and delivers an almighty bitchslap to the special snowflakes, it's bound to be funny.
10-20-2014 04:55 AM
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RE: Does society today refuse to acknowledge limits?
(10-20-2014 04:55 AM)SteveMcMahon Wrote:  There's a Weimar Republic feel to the modern age. Whatever happens, when reality dusts down its knuckles and delivers an almighty bitchslap to the special snowflakes, it's bound to be funny

And we all know what happened after the Weimar Republic...

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