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(04-15-2011 10:37 AM)Roosh Wrote:  What city is better for girls.. Poznan or Wroclaw?

I'm biased because I've spent more time in Poznan than in Wroclaw, so I know my way around the former better than the latter. I'd have to do a week solid in Wroclaw before I could say........

Looks wise I couldn't call it, it's a push.
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(04-15-2011 12:56 PM)K-man Wrote:  Who goes to the beach on the Baltic, where the water is like 18 degrees in August?
All Europeans go to places like Spain, Greece, Turkey, Egypt, Bulgaria, Tunisia for their summer beach vacation.
So in Latvia, Estonia, Lithuiania, or Poland I would actually stick to a big interior city than the beach.
As if Holland has any beaches to speak of - when you go, you go to Amsterdam. How is Poland different - same sea.

Don't be so sure. After all the British go to places like Brighton and Blackpool in the summer. And their summer isn't exactly known for warm weather and sunshine.
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(04-15-2011 03:16 PM)ManAbout Wrote:  
(04-15-2011 12:56 PM)K-man Wrote:  Who goes to the beach on the Baltic, where the water is like 18 degrees in August?
All Europeans go to places like Spain, Greece, Turkey, Egypt, Bulgaria, Tunisia for their summer beach vacation.
So in Latvia, Estonia, Lithuiania, or Poland I would actually stick to a big interior city than the beach.
As if Holland has any beaches to speak of - when you go, you go to Amsterdam. How is Poland different - same sea.

Don't be so sure. After all the British go to places like Brighton and Blackpool in the summer. And their summer isn't exactly known for warm weather and sunshine.


Exactly. In the summer they have the Sunrise Festival in kołobrzeg Poland on the beach. Looks pretty bad ass to me.Banana http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3FOAQg7_...re=related Banana<--- I'm sure the pussy to dick ratio isn't in the dicks favor but that shit still looks like fun, plenty of chicks to try to stick it in.
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(04-15-2011 11:12 PM)Florida Wrote:  [quote='ManAbout' pid='51604' dateline='1302898598']
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Who goes to the beach on the Baltic, where the water is like 18 degrees in August?
All Europeans go to places like Spain, Greece, Turkey, Egypt, Bulgaria, Tunisia for their summer beach vacation.
So in Latvia, Estonia, Lithuiania, or Poland I would actually stick to a big interior city than the beach.
As if Holland has any beaches to speak of - when you go, you go to Amsterdam. How is Poland different - same sea.

K-Man, please don't post lies if you haven't been there in the summer. Not all eastern eurpeans can afford to go to southern europe for vacation during the summer!

True, the Baltic doesn't get above 20c but that does't prevent the beaches from being packed and the nightlife from being crazy with ratios that are better than any city in USA. Just go to Palanga (Lithuania) in July and you'll see what I'm talking about or better yet talk to one of the native Polak's on this forum if you don't believe me. Shoot, better yet take a look at this pic of the scene during the summer. Local tail galore[Image: 1229938859palanga.jpg]:
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(04-15-2011 04:51 AM)Super Etoile Wrote:  I stayed here the second time I was in Poznan. The manager decided to celebrate the fact that Black people had booked in by putting Teflon Don on rotation on the reception’s stereo.

Quote:When to go: It's the only busy place on a Monday (Hip-Hop night, if you're Black try to distinguish yourself from the thirsty African contingent (read: leave the Karl Kani at home) and you will get results

SE, You are a funny dude!!! I would've never though Poland as being "Brotha friendly" place since all the Polish chicks I have met in NYC stroke me as being stricly "No Negro." and stuck up. But I digress...

A quick question, How common were our FUBU sweater clad African Brothers in Poznan? In the worlds of ISW, do you see them everywhere selling "trinkets" or are they a relatively rare sight like seeing Wesley Snipes at tanning salon?


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Quote:SE, You are a funny dude!!! I would've never though Poland as being "Brotha friendly" place since all the Polish chicks I have met in NYC stroke me as being stricly "No Negro." and stuck up. But I digress...

But were they Polish Polish, or just Polish-American? I'd assume there's a difference.............

Quote:A quick question, How common were our FUBU sweater clad African Brothers in Poznan? In the worlds of ISW, do you see them everywhere selling "trinkets" or are they a relatively rare sight like seeing Wesley Snipes at tanning salon?

Outside of that club, very rare. This ain't Italy or Spain with street sellers all over. The only time I saw Black people in any volume was in Warsaw, and the majority of those were students.
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(04-17-2011 01:21 PM)Super Etoile Wrote:  
Quote:SE, You are a funny dude!!! I would've never though Poland as being "Brotha friendly" place since all the Polish chicks I have met in NYC stroke me as being stricly "No Negro." and stuck up. But I digress...

But were they Polish Polish, or just Polish-American? I'd assume there's a difference.............

Quote:A quick question, How common were our FUBU sweater clad African Brothers in Poznan? In the worlds of ISW, do you see them everywhere selling "trinkets" or are they a relatively rare sight like seeing Wesley Snipes at tanning salon?

Outside of that club, very rare. This ain't Italy or Spain with street sellers all over. The only time I saw Black people in any volume was in Warsaw, and the majority of those were students.

I don't want to turn this into a race thread, but how responsive are Polish girls to stylish westernized black/indian/asian guys?
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(04-17-2011 01:29 PM)Luckystar Wrote:  I don't want to turn this into a race thread, but how responsive are Polish girls to stylish westernized black/indian/asian guys?

In terms of being
a) unique
b) looking good

you can do well. But you could say that for most places.

They won't be waiting for you screaming at the airport like The Beatles arriving at Idlewild, but dressing well distinguishes you from 90+% of the local population.........dressing well and not being white bumps that up to 99.5%.
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(04-16-2011 06:33 PM)Hokie30 Wrote:  K-Man, please don't post lies if you haven't been there in the summer. Not all eastern eurpeans can afford to go to southern europe for vacation during the summer!

True, the Baltic doesn't get above 20c but that does't prevent the beaches from being packed and the nightlife from being crazy with ratios that are better than any city in USA. Just go to Palanga (Lithuania) in July and you'll see what I'm talking about or better yet talk to one of the native Polak's on this forum if you don't believe me. Shoot, better yet take a look at this pic of the scene during the summer. Local tail galore

Can you find a better picture? Because I did the dick:pussy ratio experiment, and even putting blue dots on fatties it did not come out too favorable. Not a beach I would want to be at.

Please note I have not posted lies. I said the water is freeze-your-balls cold, and that "I would stick to ..."


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(04-15-2011 10:37 AM)Roosh Wrote:  What city is better for girls.. Poznan or Wroclaw?

Come to Poznan!

The quality of girls is probably the same as in Wroclaw, however in Poznan there are gonna be much less tourists than in Wroclaw.
Although Wroclaw is still not as bad as Cracow - in terms of guys coming there to hit on polish girls.
However, if you don't mind drunk british stag parties or Italians, Cracow still has the best nightlife in Poland (if you ask me).

Me and my buddy (who lived in Poland, near Katovice, until his 18th birthday) are gonna be in Poznan the first 2 weeks of May and in Cracow the first 2 weeks of June.
If you want to, we can show you around - just send me a PM. (In the last years we've been to Poland about 10-15 times to party and hit on girls.)
For example, end of April beginning of May there are gonna be a lot of great parties in Poland because of the holidays.
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(04-15-2011 10:37 AM)Roosh Wrote:  What city is better for girls.. Poznan or Wroclaw?

I have a Polish friend of mine who decided he wanted to live in Poland about 3 years back, and he spent 6 weeks each in all the major cities: Krakow, Warsaw, Poznan, Wroclaw, etc. and said that Poznan was the best (for girls).

He's still there, and when I visited him a couple of years ago, he had a part-time model on his arm after moving on from a smoking hot student who in his words 'was getting too close'.

He was raised in North America but speaks fluent Polish. I was only in Poznan and Wroclaw for a couple nights each, so I can't say too much from personal experience, but everybody I've talked to here in Krakow talks about Poznan, and not Wroclaw... it's a small sample size I've talked to though.
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On the side note, I have been to 2 czech cities (Ostrava & Brno) after Poland, and im fckin surprised I didnt see a single 10. Polish chicks seems vastly superior perhaps because czech rep is so liberal and westernized (ugly girls get laid and have children).
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Whatsup fellas. I am actually living in Krakow for the next year with work and american football. I have spent a little over a year with two previous six month stints. My first stint was in Warsaw while I studied abroad and my second was living in Krakow about a year ago.

Here is what I have to say: If you have balls, style, and a little bit of cash - you should be getting laid by a 9 or a 10 (or multiple) every night. Don't try to be cool and try to introduce yourself as an American in Polish... it will be obvious enough. Just say "Hey, how are you?" to every girl that passes you by (on the street or in a club) and some will bite and stop you. It helps if you are staying at an apartment and not a hotel/hostel and try to make claim that you are here working. Look for "Ladies Nights" which occur on Tues/Wed/Thur (at least in Krakow)... that's where the girl to guy ratio is just ridiculous.

As far as Krakow club nightlife:
Monday - Sucks, go to bars to pick up some ladies (same rule as above applies, just be confident and say hey how are you while smiling/looking a girl straight in her eyes)
Tuesday - Ministerstwo has a pretty interesting weekly gig that has good music and a chilled atmosphere.
Wednesday - Battle of Hiphop/R&B between Coco and Frantic. Ladies Night from 9-11pm. Frantic is on Szewska which can be considered the street with basically all the snobby clubs. Coco has a better crowd but Frantic has better music.
Thursday - Fashion Time. Ladies Night from 9-11pm. It's away from the city center a little bit so that means your stag do's and regular tourists won't make it all the way out here. The ratio is ridiculous and the girls are seriously down to talk/dance/be pulled to your apartment.
Friday - Almost every club will be packed and there will be lines at the best ones starting at midnight. I recommend going club hopping by looking good and walking around the main square collecting free entry/free drink cards. Try as many as you can and immediately try to pull some girls by throwing some direct game and having a group of girls come back to your apartment to party. This isn't my normal night out during the season (now) because I have practice Saturday morning. This is usually a night I get a girl from my stable to come out to my place for a chilled out night.
Saturday - Every club is even more packed than Friday. I usually end up in Base (know a lot of people that know a lot of people Wink). By this night, you should have a good idea of where you want to go due to exploration that occurred on your previous nights.
Sunday - International Party at Prozak. I have never been, but I have heard pretty good things. Mixed crowd so you have your polish girls that like tourists/international guys and then foreign girls living/studying in Krakow.

If you end up hammered and want a crazy experience, go to Kitsch. Its the "anything goes" club but that doesn't mean anything goes for you... you gotta make it happen. Everyone who isn't completely off their face is let in for free so this means that there will be plenty of ugly girls and guys... but everyone here is very open minded. There are stripper poles in the middle of the dancefloor, the music can be awesome/awful (hence why you need to be wasted), and the club can't get uglier.... but the tightly packed club with people going crazy means something. Sex in the bathroom happens on the regular, etc.

Anywhere and everywhere is a good place to pull. Summer kinda sucks since all the students leave and are replaced by hoards of tourists. End of August/September rules since all the girls are coming back to university from their small villages and are looking to get wild. If anyone is trying to hang out in Krakow, hit me up with a PM. I got a good grip on this city and my circle of both local/foreign connects is pretty decent. Also, I got a sick apartment in Kazimierz that definitely helps me out as well.
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(04-23-2011 10:30 AM)therobside Wrote:  Here is what I have to say: If you have balls, style, and a little bit of cash - you should be getting laid by a 9 or a 10 (or multiple) every night.

Nice report, TRS.

This comment you made is a very, very bold claim. For starters, not many places have an abundance of 9s & 10s. Secondly, you are suggesting very little game is necessary. Thirdly, you should be able to fuck a model quality girl every night.

Very bold suggestions. No wonder everyone is flocking to Krakow. That or your game is much much better than you think. Either way, give us more details on how to actualize this life in Krakow. I know I am definitely interested.
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I guess my post was made with the assumption that you have an interesting story to tell and have the ability to peak a girl's attention through words and actions.

1. There are plenty of top quality girls here. The 'average' would be considered to be pretty cute/hot in the states.
2. Game is necessary but if you don't speak polish, peacocking appropriately with confidence gets you pretty damn far (all the girls will be staring at you).
3. If you go out, do as I said above - there are just way too many clubs/bars/girls walking around that would make it very difficult to not pull something (especially if you have a centrally located pad that requires a few minutes of walking..... just enough to lube em up by the time you get through the front door).

Tbh, you will encounter some girls that are 'religious' or don't put out to foreigners on a first date. As far as the first, they are easy to weed out early as all it takes is qualifying the girl with a question about hearing that all Polish girls are innocent, Catholic girls that kiss until marriage... this will usually illicit a response that will let you know what the girl is down for. I don't really experience the second because I am polish-american and speak polish fluently. Still, I try to not tip my cap for as long as possible as being American (especially one with some game) is a huge advantage over the typical Pole. Brits don't have nearly as much luck due to the stag do's that happen over here unless they are good looking or meet a girl thats apeshit over british accents (similar to some US girls).

Personally, I would qualify my game as decent. I go out, I have a good time, I talk to people, I order some shots/drinks and in turn - get noticed. My story isn't bad to boot (born in US, graduated university, great job at 24, traveled a lot, play american football, etc). SNL is fairly simple and the girls are usually down to meet up again. My stable has been built off girls that I was able to pull and hang out with whenever I want (due to my central location and I guess their level of interest in me).

As with anywhere, it comes down to confidence. The Polish guys that exhibit confidence are either absolute meatheads, are gay, or have no business showing confidence due to the way they are dressed.

There is a strong contingent of girls that go to R&B clubs (or nights specifically with R&B) hoping to find a latin/black male to take home. Once again, it helps to make a distinction between African and being black from America/Britain/etc but even the Africans get on fine.

If anyone has any specific questions, please shoot.
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therobside: Welcome to the forum.

We have had guys come on the forum bragging about banging 9's and 10's with ease and they turned out to be trolls, so we are usually skeptical of the type of claims you've made. So that we're on the same level, do you made sharing pics of 9 or 10 Polish girls with the game you have described?

If you check out the Scandinavia thread, we commented on Danish girls with pictures to give guys an idea of what to expect. If your 9 is actually a 7, though, then guys here have to take that into account.

Either way, thanks for sharing your tips so far.

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(04-23-2011 03:24 PM)therobside Wrote:  I guess my post was made with the assumption that you have an interesting story to tell and have the ability to peak a girl's attention through words and actions.

1. There are plenty of top quality girls here. The 'average' would be considered to be pretty cute/hot in the states.
2. Game is necessary but if you don't speak polish, peacocking appropriately with confidence gets you pretty damn far (all the girls will be staring at you).
3. If you go out, do as I said above - there are just way too many clubs/bars/girls walking around that would make it very difficult to not pull something (especially if you have a centrally located pad that requires a few minutes of walking..... just enough to lube em up by the time you get through the front door).

Tbh, you will encounter some girls that are 'religious' or don't put out to foreigners on a first date. As far as the first, they are easy to weed out early as all it takes is qualifying the girl with a question about hearing that all Polish girls are innocent, Catholic girls that kiss until marriage... this will usually illicit a response that will let you know what the girl is down for. I don't really experience the second because I am polish-american and speak polish fluently. Still, I try to not tip my cap for as long as possible as being American (especially one with some game) is a huge advantage over the typical Pole. Brits don't have nearly as much luck due to the stag do's that happen over here unless they are good looking or meet a girl thats apeshit over british accents (similar to some US girls).

Personally, I would qualify my game as decent. I go out, I have a good time, I talk to people, I order some shots/drinks and in turn - get noticed. My story isn't bad to boot (born in US, graduated university, great job at 24, traveled a lot, play american football, etc). SNL is fairly simple and the girls are usually down to meet up again. My stable has been built off girls that I was able to pull and hang out with whenever I want (due to my central location and I guess their level of interest in me).

As with anywhere, it comes down to confidence. The Polish guys that exhibit confidence are either absolute meatheads, are gay, or have no business showing confidence due to the way they are dressed.

There is a strong contingent of girls that go to R&B clubs (or nights specifically with R&B) hoping to find a latin/black male to take home. Once again, it helps to make a distinction between African and being black from America/Britain/etc but even the Africans get on fine.

If anyone has any specific questions, please shoot.

Thanks for the additional input.

Since you are already there, any thoughts on other Polish cities? Any other good hunting cities?
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Fair enough. Like you said, it comes down to interpretation. My standards are pretty high but I do admit I get a little AA when it comes to the 10s as I feel they are all either pornstars or strippers. I go for 9s since there is usually a blemish I pick out that makes me feel a little more confident. I don't like posting faces and this was a quick run through facebook but here are three pics.

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Party at my flat, dancing with a 9

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The pair on the right belongs to a girl that is literally the second biggest freak I have ever had the pleasure of dealing with.

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(04-23-2011 10:30 AM)therobside Wrote:  Here is what I have to say: If you have balls, style, and a little bit of cash - you should be getting laid by a 9 or a 10 (or multiple) every night. Don't try to be cool and try to introduce yourself as an American in Polish... it will be obvious enough. Just say "Hey, how are you?" to every girl that passes you by (on the street or in a club) and some will bite and stop you.

Is it still as good as it was in early 90s? I haven't been there for a while, but I heard Brits ruin it all, as they did in every other Eastern European city which has airport. But even then it was more difficult that "hey how are you" unless you dealt with pros or semi-pros, even though speaking English (only) was an advantage at that moment.

Quote:It helps if you are staying at an apartment and not a hotel/hostel

It is basically a requirement in Eastern Europe. Very tough to get a non-pro girl into your hotel room there unless she knows you for a while.

Quote:and try to make claim that you are here working.

That's what every other sex tourist does - they all claim they're "staying for a while", and "here for business". Then she learns you don't speak a single word in Polish, don't really know the city and staying in hotel, and then it is basically a neon "sex tourist" sign on your forehead.
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(04-23-2011 03:59 PM)Roosh Wrote:  therobside: Welcome to the forum.

We have had guys come on the forum bragging about banging 9's and 10's with ease and they turned out to be trolls, so we are usually skeptical of the type of claims you've made. So that we're on the same level, do you made sharing pics of 9 or 10 Polish girls with the game you have described?

If you check out the Scandinavia thread, we commented on Danish girls with pictures to give guys an idea of what to expect. If your 9 is actually a 7, though, then guys here have to take that into account.

Either way, thanks for sharing your tips so far.

Even if the chicks he's banging are 5's, Its still impressive if he's pulling them every time he goes out. Lil Wayne once said in an interview that the "Jersey Shore" was his all time favorite show because Pauly D and Vinny always pulled something out of the club every time they went out without fail regardless of venue,day of the week, weather.

therobside, your pics aren't showing up.
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(04-23-2011 06:02 PM)playa_with_a_passport Wrote:  Even if the chicks he's banging are 5's, Its still impressive if he's pulling them every time he goes out.

If it were 7s every time, I'd say it was impressive. 5s...no way.
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(04-23-2011 05:44 PM)oldnemesis Wrote:  Is it still as good as it was in early 90s? I haven't been there for a while, but I heard Brits ruin it all, as they did in every other Eastern European city which has airport. But even then it was more difficult that "hey how are you" unless you dealt with pros or semi-pros, even though speaking English (only) was an advantage at that moment.

The brits have definitely messed things up... and so has capitalism. The girls now can get rich local guys, which was far from the case in the 90s (unless you were dealing with someone who made off big due to the collapse of communism but that was mostly older guys and not guys in their 20s/30s). The brits have made being foreign a common thing and the absolute stunners are used to getting hit on by foreigners so you need to have something that makes you stand out.

Quote:It is basically a requirement in Eastern Europe. Very tough to get a non-pro girl into your hotel room there unless she knows you for a while.
Very true.

Quote:That's what every other sex tourist does - they all claim they're "staying for a while", and "here for business". Then she learns you don't speak a single word in Polish, don't really know the city and staying in hotel, and then it is basically a neon "sex tourist" sign on your forehead.
While this may be true, this doesn't affect me since I do actually live here. But common sense says you learn a couple basic words (and a few curse words to be funny) before you go to any country and are trying to pick up girls. Key is not staying in a hotel in my opinion.

I don't go out trying to get SNL every single time. Sometimes I'm already out with girls and am just picking up numbers... sometimes if the talent isn't catching my eye, I'll text a girl I already know and have her come to my place. But there is a good number of girls that don't mind SNL.

Either way, I guess I shouldn't be trying to make this sound like paradise because for some, it may not be at all. There still exists a strong number of girls who remain devout Catholic (especially outside of the big cities), a lot of stunners are married by locals by the age of 20 to get them off the market, and when it comes to Krakow - being a foreigner is not anything particularly special.

If you do possess what I mentioned above and come dedicated to pulling, you will eventually succeed as there are enough girls that want a different experience.
04-24-2011 01:52 AM
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RE: The Poland thread
(04-24-2011 01:52 AM)therobside Wrote:  The brits have definitely messed things up... and so has capitalism. The girls now can get rich local guys, which was far from the case in the 90s (unless you were dealing with someone who made off big due to the collapse of communism but that was mostly older guys and not guys in their 20s/30s).

Not really - you may be a son of someone who made off big. This, of course, was more of "what kind of car you drive" game.

Quote:The brits have made being foreign a common thing and the absolute stunners are used to getting hit on by foreigners so you need to have something that makes you stand out.

True. So it is the same - just introducing yourself in English will not likely bring you nowhere, and will actually work against you initially as you'd have to prove you're not a sex tourist from Shitterville who just made enough to buy a RyanAir ticket and came for cheap booze and free quality pussy.

Quote:While this may be true, this doesn't affect me since I do actually live here. But common sense says you learn a couple basic words (and a few curse words to be funny) before you go to any country and are trying to pick up girls. Key is not staying in a hotel in my opinion.

It is easy to underestimate the importance of the fact you're working there. However it is extremely important - being local, working locally and knowing the city makes you "in the network". It sends the message that you know the rules, you are accepted here, and since you live here you're less likely to shit where you eat. It also means you're an option for a long-term-dating option, maybe even marriage. As a result you're getting much more credibility against a regular tourist.

Quote:If you do possess what I mentioned above and come dedicated to pulling, you will eventually succeed as there are enough girls that want a different experience.

Now that's something I can agree with - if you spend some significant effort, you may actually success with a quality girl. But it definitely takes more effort than introducing yourself in English, and getting a SNL for a tourist is very difficult.

PS. Have you seen "Galerianki"?
04-25-2011 05:31 PM
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