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RE: Medical (physician) Career Data Sheet
Aren't med school students worried about automation?

AI will be more efficient than doctors at diagnosing diseases pretty soon - it's already the case with radiology.

With the insane skyrocketing costs of health care in the US, the hammer is going to come down soon and they will look to cut costs any way possible.

Some specialties will probably be more resistant to automation but others will be the first on the chopping block I'm guessing.

We've discussed this in detail on the Andrew Yang thread.
08-01-2019 09:45 PM
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(08-01-2019 09:45 PM)Arado Wrote:  Aren't med school students worried about automation?

Maybe in radiology or pathology there may be an issue with that, but it still isn't the case. In pathology for example there have been recent studies published in the past year that still show human > AI.

(08-01-2019 09:45 PM)Arado Wrote:  Some specialties will probably be more resistant to automation but others will be the first on the chopping block I'm guessing.

It's insane the amount of useless information some patients tell you based on their chief complaint. I need to filter a lot of their "junk" information to get to the root of the problem. For some patients if I asked them 50 questions, they would answer yes to every single one of them. Medicine is far far far from being run by AI. Maybe radiology could be there, but I'm not in radiology so can't comment too much on it.
08-02-2019 12:29 AM
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RE: Medical (physician) Career Data Sheet
(08-02-2019 12:29 AM)NiceGuy Wrote:  
(08-01-2019 09:45 PM)Arado Wrote:  Aren't med school students worried about automation?
Maybe in radiology or pathology there may be an issue with that, but it still isn't the case. In pathology for example there have been recent studies published in the past year that still show human > AI.

And plenty of studies showing a different result. The trends are clear and all this means is that more students are going to be competing for the few specialties that appear automation resistant for the near future. Though it's more a question of commercializing innovations, regulations keeping up, and not letting doctor lobbies get in the way rather than pure technological limitations.

Quote:It's insane the amount of useless information some patients tell you based on their chief complaint. I need to filter a lot of their "junk" information to get to the root of the problem. For some patients if I asked them 50 questions, they would answer yes to every single one of them. Medicine is far far far from being run by AI. Maybe radiology could be there, but I'm not in radiology so can't comment too much on it.

Seems like a perfect opportunity for an AI patient interface to screen patients, or at least a nurse or med tech who kind of knows what information is important for the doctor. For such routine tasks doesn't seem worth the time of a doctor who has gone through 8 years of school and training.

The current health system socializes costs and is drowning in inefficiency, otherwise why would we have huge expenditures with crappy outcomes. At some point our society isn't going to be able to afford the current system and all this "human touch" patient-doctor time that is romanticized can likely be cut without a huge impact on outcomes, as long as the AI can give an accurate diagnoses.

How many doctors waste time and resources on patients that don't have the discipline to follow a healthy lifestyle and are afflicted with diabetes, heart disease, obesity, etc? Just charge them significantly more for health insurance and the problem will be solved faster than all the begging and pleading from doctors. The doctor isn't supposed to be your social worker or therapist though it boggles the mind how many patients are there because of poor lifestyle decisions, at least when it comes to primary care.





I thought this was an interesting episode but it seems the cardiologist is way too optimistic about the need for human interaction in medicine. Even if he is right, it means that current medical schooling is not emphasizing the knowledge necessary for success once AI becomes ubiquitous.
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RE: Medical (physician) Career Data Sheet
(08-01-2019 09:45 PM)Arado Wrote:  Aren't med school students worried about automation?

AI will be more efficient than doctors at diagnosing diseases pretty soon - it's already the case with radiology.

With the insane skyrocketing costs of health care in the US, the hammer is going to come down soon and they will look to cut costs any way possible.

Some specialties will probably be more resistant to automation but others will be the first on the chopping block I'm guessing.

We've discussed this in detail on the Andrew Yang thread.

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RE: Medical (physician) Career Data Sheet
(08-01-2019 09:45 PM)Arado Wrote:  Aren't med school students worried about automation?

AI will be more efficient than doctors at diagnosing diseases pretty soon - it's already the case with radiology.

With the insane skyrocketing costs of health care in the US, the hammer is going to come down soon and they will look to cut costs any way possible.

Some specialties will probably be more resistant to automation but others will be the first on the chopping block I'm guessing.

We've discussed this in detail on the Andrew Yang thread.

I think this is one of the professions that will benefit the most with automation. Hopefully it will take some of the arrogance away of the MD's. That way they'll start treating patients as clients, not as employees. Why as employees? Go to the hospital and question a Dr about something and you'll see what I mean.
08-06-2019 11:18 AM
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There are many things systemically wrong in medicine (businessmen run medicine, if you haven't noticed, by the way unlike other professions) but one thing you're going to dream still existed once the midlevels come flying in is the good ol' MD

I'm gonna love the look on your face when you're writhing in pain and the PA tells you what the (insert imaging) "said"

You literally have no clue what you don't know. But keep reading those marketing schemes out of Stanford by the software engineer non-MDs who see those dollar bills but not your face while you're in the Emergency Room. Maybe then, and only then, might you understand. But you'll still never really know, now will you?

How could you?

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