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Chappelle's gag writers have been watching Owen.


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(08-28-2019 08:57 AM)Rorogue Wrote:  Best stand ups of all time in my opinion

Pryor
Hicks
Lenny Bruce
Cosby
Carlin
Dangerfield
Eddie Murphy
Patrice O'Neal
Dave Chappelle

Very American centric, but whatever.

Just for the sake of discussion.

Pryor

Pryor is commonly agreed to be the best of all time by most comedians. I saw him live in the 70's, and when he was being himself, he was like no other. He had an ability to share the deepest trauma in his life and make it funny. He could be really raw and had you going back and forth between emotions.

The thing was though, I would say that at least 40 percent of his act, he sounded like a Bill Cosby impersonator. He was obviously influenced by Cosby and it was only later that he found the fullness of his own voice.

Hicks and Patrice

I put Hicks and Patrice in the category of stand up philosophers. You would listen to them even if they weren't funny. The depth of their thinking was on another level. Everything made so much sense about life when you listened to them, like they were just saying something obvious that you had never quite put together. I would also say both of them had a nihilistic edge, unsurprising when you dig that deep, that made them unfunny at times and a little savage. Personally I prefer this type of comic. Not just funny. Had ideas about life that you probably couldn't have thought of. Patrice was a deadly ad libber as well. Other comics were scared of him.

Lenny Bruce

Bruce said the unsayable. He broke boundaries and paid a heavy price. He wasn't funny though. I know comedy doesn't wear well, and the innovators often sound like they are imitating their own imitators. Even with that understanding, he wasn't that funny. To me he was more like a beatnik/hippy trying to blow your mind man.

Cosby

One of the best for sure with a legacy tainted by unrepentant predatory nature. I still believed him when it was only 20 accusers. The numbers just kept going up. It is hard even to think about him other than to say I loved his early albums.

Carlin

I don't really like Carlin that much, though he does deserve to be on the list. For longevity if nothing else. He was really big in the seventies, and he seemed like he had taken that 60's spirit of questioning authority and actually done something with it instead of getting lost in drugs and resentment. Could also be considered a stand up philosopher.

Dangerfield.

A journeyman comedian, a craftsman, a tradesman. Seinfeld goes here too. They learned the forms and the craft and the timing and perfected it. Not geniuses or anything. A craftsman. Like Henny Youngman. I would put someone like Steven Wright above him. Another craftsman who actually took it to another level by adding his own surreal intellect and character to the craft of writing jokes.

Eddie Murphy.

Comic genius.

Dave Chapelle

I am the wrong one to have an opinion about him. Everyone likes him and I am just lukewarm. Comedians think he is a genius. So I will take a pass on having an opinion. Just can't get in to him. He is obviously smart though and and independent thinker.


If I could only listen to one comedian from your list from now on, it would be Patrice, followed not that closely by Hicks.

So, as for who you left off:

No Steve Martin?

Steve Martin was insanely popular in the 70's as a comic. First guy to sell out stadiums. Completely original. A deeper understanding of humor, with jokes that had completely original structures and principles. Insane improviser who would take the audience off on improvised romps after shows out in the streets. He was the Pewdiepie of his day.

His problem is that his brand of humor has influenced so many other comics that his material doesn't stand up that well any more. When he did it, no one else had ever done it, only now, everyone does it, so it looks lame.

He was the first person in show business I ever saw to make fun of the idea of show business. Or as a writer once said of him, he only had one joke, and he was it. What other comic would have the self awareness to come on stage and say:

"Hey, wouldn't want to be the center of attention or anything."

Bill Burr belongs on your list. A truth teller and at least somewhat red pilled.

Robin Williams too, is one of the most original comedians of all time and a complete, cosmic phenomen in his day. He made other comedians want to quit. I can't see leaving him off the list.

Some honorable mentions: Brian Regan. Steven Wright again.

Stewart Lee is a comic genius and the only person who has really figured out how to be intellectual and a stand up comedian. His sets are like novels with through lines, subplots, or like musical arrangements. He is smart smart smart, and he is always going somewhere and saying something. His sets aren't just collections of jokes. He has larger points to make that all the jokes and smaller bits of business are in support of. Next level.

A couple of probably unpopular ones. Garrison Keillor will be remembered as one of the great comedians of our day. More of a humorist than a stand up, but loved by millions. His weekly monologues were mostly improvised and brought humor almost to the level of high art. Political and social commentary. A completely new show every week! Most comedians take a couple years to do it.

Finally, Paula Poundstone. The greatest stand up improviser I have ever seen. Her prepared material was pretty good, but she actually seemed to relax and gain strength when she went off script. Her improvised jokes were better than 99% of the prepared jokes in the world. The only improviser I have ever seen who was better than she was is Ryan Stiles, but he isn't a stand up. He does sketches.

She could not only riff off audience members, she could create long lasting melodramas between audience members, weaving what she had said about one audience member with what she was saying about another, and creating a kind of an improvised play utilizing the personalities of the people in the audience. Like a one woman "Who's Line Is It Anyway."

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Kudos on bringing up Steve Martin, but he collapsed a little as a comic in his later years. Still, at his best he was not only funny, but kind of uplifting and warm too.

Saw Bill Cosby in one of his last big performances. It's incredibly hard to describe how powerful and talented that man is, especially since none of his TV shows or Movies come close to his Live performance affect.
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I can't say I ever really found Steve Martin funny but Father of the Bride was always entertaining.

Not my style of humor but I cracked a smile.



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(08-29-2019 04:21 PM)RIslander Wrote:  I can't say I ever really found Steve Martin funny but Father of the Bride was always entertaining.

Not my style of humor but I cracked a smile.




I remember when this King Tut bit came out. It wasn't funny even then.

The thing is, before Martin came along, most comedians you would see were Las Vegas guys in suits and sweaters who told jokes in traditional ways.

Martin was the first modern guy to really be just silly. So it was a big deal. He inspired guys like Brian Regan and Jim Carrey who took it further. What about David Letterman thinking celebrity is idiotic? Martin did that first. Now everyone on Youtube is silly. So you cannot see the innovation.

Here are a couple of clips that are closer to what I am saying. Basically he is taking a crap on the idea that being a celebrity is important.

The first one he is on the Tonight Show trying to pretend he is a big deal and failing:





Or in this one, he is pretending he is important because he is *friends* with Johnny Cash:





In that second clip where he gets hung up on the exact time of day? That is exactly the kind of joke he innovated. Just weird, unexpected, non traditional.

“That sig BTW is a very asinine anti-family anti-parent quote. You live in a country where 40% of children grow up without a biological father, yet somehow “the greatest burden a child must bear is the unlived life of its parents”? Sorry but this is fruity Boomer nonsense.”

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Jessie Smollett bit



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(08-29-2019 05:22 AM)rotekz Wrote:  Chappelle's gag writers have been watching Owen.



I saw a very similar Chappelle joke about LGBT about 4 years ago on YouTube.
It was taken with a camera phone at one of his gigs.. I just remember a line when he said "that T shit is fucking it all up" and pissed myself laughing.

I tried to find it for years afterwards but it had been taken down, I assume because it was recorded at an unfilmed gig.
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(08-30-2019 09:21 PM)Salinger Wrote:  Jessie Smollett bit




Brilliant. Only wish he spent another 5 minutes on it.
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(08-29-2019 05:16 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  
(08-29-2019 04:21 PM)RIslander Wrote:  I can't say I ever really found Steve Martin funny but Father of the Bride was always entertaining.

Not my style of humor but I cracked a smile.




I remember when this King Tut bit came out. It wasn't funny even then.

The thing is, before Martin came along, most comedians you would see were Las Vegas guys in suits and sweaters who told jokes in traditional ways.

Martin was the first modern guy to really be just silly. So it was a big deal. He inspired guys like Brian Regan and Jim Carrey who took it further. What about David Letterman thinking celebrity is idiotic? Martin did that first. Now everyone on Youtube is silly. So you cannot see the innovation.

Here are a couple of clips that are closer to what I am saying. Basically he is taking a crap on the idea that being a celebrity is important.

The first one he is on the Tonight Show trying to pretend he is a big deal and failing:





Or in this one, he is pretending he is important because he is *friends* with Johnny Cash:





In that second clip where he gets hung up on the exact time of day? That is exactly the kind of joke he innovated. Just weird, unexpected, non traditional.

His "Holiday Wish" bit on SNL is one of the best that was ever on that program, and I start every Christmas with it.

https://youtu.be/yXBfs2iLHRE

Back to Chappelle, the Jussie joke is a perfect example of what I mean by being underwhelmed by the latest special (I really like Dave, by the way, just was bored with this one).

The whole setup ("French", "Juicy", black people knowing he was lying immediately... which this forum pointed out as it was happening) was great. Then the joke just petered out. The Kayne ending was underwhelming.

I have no idea if this is true or not, but it feels like Dave is really coasting right now. He's in a zen place, which is nice for him, but it took a bit of edge off the comedy I feel.
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(08-31-2019 12:41 AM)TooFineAPoint Wrote:  
(08-29-2019 05:16 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  
(08-29-2019 04:21 PM)RIslander Wrote:  I can't say I ever really found Steve Martin funny but Father of the Bride was always entertaining.

Not my style of humor but I cracked a smile.




I remember when this King Tut bit came out. It wasn't funny even then.

The thing is, before Martin came along, most comedians you would see were Las Vegas guys in suits and sweaters who told jokes in traditional ways.

Martin was the first modern guy to really be just silly. So it was a big deal. He inspired guys like Brian Regan and Jim Carrey who took it further. What about David Letterman thinking celebrity is idiotic? Martin did that first. Now everyone on Youtube is silly. So you cannot see the innovation.

Here are a couple of clips that are closer to what I am saying. Basically he is taking a crap on the idea that being a celebrity is important.

The first one he is on the Tonight Show trying to pretend he is a big deal and failing:





Or in this one, he is pretending he is important because he is *friends* with Johnny Cash:





In that second clip where he gets hung up on the exact time of day? That is exactly the kind of joke he innovated. Just weird, unexpected, non traditional.

His "Holiday Wish" bit on SNL is one of the best that was ever on that program, and I start every Christmas with it.

https://youtu.be/yXBfs2iLHRE

Back to Chappelle, the Jussie joke is a perfect example of what I mean by being underwhelmed by the latest special (I really like Dave, by the way, just was bored with this one).

The whole setup ("French", "Juicy", black people knowing he was lying immediately... which this forum pointed out as it was happening) was great. Then the joke just petered out. The Kayne ending was underwhelming.

I have no idea if this is true or not, but it feels like Dave is really coasting right now. He's in a zen place, which is nice for him, but it took a bit of edge off the comedy I feel.

The thing is now this act would be considered racist and Islamophobic. The modern liberal of course will neglect the fact Islam did not exist in the 1300's BC.
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Hilarious about all the controversy over Chappelle's new special. He made a joke concerning Michael Jackson, how he didn't believe the accusers. He made almost the exact same joke about MJ 12+ years ago, when everyone thought it was hilarious, and no one cared back then.





He's also made the same statements about not believing police, not believing R Kelly, Bill Cosby, OJ, etc are guilty, that's pretty much his recurring schtick at this point. He made a whole sketch about how he would be a skeptic in any celebrity trial jury.





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Spread the word - Rotten Tomatoes are racist...

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/dave_ch...nd_stones/
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(09-03-2019 06:58 PM)CynicalContrarian Wrote:  Spread the word - Rotten Tomatoes are racist...

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/dave_ch...nd_stones/

Rotten Tomatoes is garbage, don't believe it.
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^That is fake news. Rotten Tomatoes shows 79% and 90%, respectively.
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Oh, my bad. I still thought Sticks and Stones was hilarious especially with the Jussie Smolett bit.
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(09-03-2019 08:09 PM)RIslander Wrote:  ^That is fake news. Rotten Tomatoes shows 79% and 90%, respectively.

Where are you getting that? The page says 17 percent approval from critics and 99 percent from the audience. I'm talking about the ratings specifically for "Sticks and Stones."

Reading the reviews from Paste, Playboy, and other places I got the unsettling feeling that it's a bunch of white people telling a black man what he should and should not say.

And there reviewers that un-self aware that they don't see this?

The Paste one is the worst. It starts out with the writer reminding everyone Chappelle is a multi-millionaire up front. Are Taylor Swift and U2 records reviewed that way? No. How much of this is veiled racism from the left?

The left seem real comfortable when they're helping impoverished minorities. But reading the Paste review, you wonder how much the writer Garrett Martin resents the fact that a black man is out-earning him.
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(08-30-2019 10:56 PM)Rorogue Wrote:  
(08-30-2019 09:21 PM)Salinger Wrote:  Jessie Smollett bit




Brilliant. Only wish he spent another 5 minutes on it.

If you have not seen the whole special, he definitely spends a few more minutes on it.
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(09-03-2019 08:22 PM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  
(09-03-2019 08:09 PM)RIslander Wrote:  ^That is fake news. Rotten Tomatoes shows 79% and 90%, respectively.

Where are you getting that? The page says 17 percent approval from critics and 99 percent from the audience. I'm talking about the ratings specifically for "Sticks and Stones."

Reading the reviews from Paste, Playboy, and other places I got the unsettling feeling that it's a bunch of white people telling a black man what he should and should not say.

And there reviewers that un-self aware that they don't see this?

The Paste one is the worst. It starts out with the writer reminding everyone Chappelle is a multi-millionaire up front. Are Taylor Swift and U2 records reviewed that way? No. How much of this is veiled racism from the left?

The left seem real comfortable when they're helping impoverished minorities. But reading the Paste review, you wonder how much the writer Garrett Martin resents the fact that a black man is out-earning him.

Now I'm seeing 38/99% on (((Rotten Tomatoes))). Who the fuck knows now. I retract my previous statement.
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One of the best for sure with a legacy tainted by unrepentant predatory nature. I still believed him when it was only 20 accusers. The numbers just kept going up. It is hard even to think about him other than to say I loved his early albums.

He has money, and more women want a part of it.

Having worked Hollywood-adjacent, I still believe that every one of those women wanted it to happen. I've seen women have sex with a no name film school student just for an invitation to an industry party. Is it so hard to believe that a man who was once so powerful in TV that he was considering buying NBC would have women throwing themselves at him? A man who was being courted by all of the investment banking firms would have women provided to him?

Now they get to call the experience rape to get a payday. It's BS and he should be a free man.
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I had no idea who he was (not big in the UK) until I watched the new Netflix show last night (after reading this thread). He was absolutely hilarious! I laughed like a drain from beginning to end. It was as if he's been sitting with myself and my work colleagues for the past few years listening to our conversations and making them into standup!

On the subject of other great comedians, I'm glad Robin Williams got a small mention above, 'cos even though he's not to everyone's taste, there's no denying his genius, his ad-libbing in particular. Sometimes it was to his detriment, because instead of laughing you just found yourself watching him in awe.

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Caught the sticks and stones special last night. I think he made some interesting points but it wasn't nearly as funny as his earlier material. I'd give it a 3/5
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