Post: #1301

(03-25-2015 03:22 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  http://dailycaller.com/2015/03/23/presid...t-be-sued/

Quote:Noble’s comments followed a statement released earlier Monday by UVA chapter president Stephen Scipione. He said that the chapter is “exploring its legal options to address the extensive damage caused by Rolling Stone.”

Noble added to that, telling TheDC that while the local chapter and its attorneys will determine what moves to make next, they are “now pursuing serious legal action toward Rolling Stone, the author and editor, and even Jackie.”

The fraternity should sue them all to kingdom come. Only when every couple of months millions are being paid out to students and fraternities - only then may the rape hysteria subside. But frankly I doubt it.

I don't know. Never underestimate the craftiness and drive of lawyers who smell big money.

Post: #1302

Ann Coulter of all people sums it up pretty well here: http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2015-04-01.html

Quote:Even after Rolling Stone had retracted the story and Charlottesville chief of police Timothy J. Longo confirmed that the man Jackie accused of precipitating the gang-rape didn't exist, his department merely "suspended" the investigation. I'm going to call Chief Longo with a complaint that I was raped by a unicorn to see if we can get him to actually "close" a case.

Post: #1303

Announcement this evening on the report

http://nypost.com/2015/04/03/rolling-sto...-va-story/

Rolling Stone will reveal the report that they commissioned Columbia University schoolof Journalism to determine what went wrong.

Should be good for the lulz

Post: #1304

(04-05-2015 01:10 PM)monster Wrote:  Announcement this evening on the report

http://nypost.com/2015/04/03/rolling-sto...-va-story/

Rolling Stone will reveal the report that they commissioned Columbia University schoolof Journalism to determine what went wrong.

Should be good for the lulz

Looks like Sabrina Rubin Erdely has come out of hiding and is issuing an apology timed to coincide with the release of the report:

Author of Discredited Rolling Stone UVA Rape Story Will Apologize Tonight by Robby Soave

Quote:Sabrina Rubin Erdely, the author of Rolling Stone's much-maligned story about a gang rape at the University of Virginia, plans to formally apologize for her mistakes, according to CNN's Brian Stetler.

Erdely stopped responding to questions and interview requests at the beginning of December, as reporters began to call into question the details of the story. (Richard Bradley and I were the first to do so.) Since then, the story has completely collapsed and was essentially confirmed as false by The Washington Post and the Charlottesville police department.

Erdely plans to break her silence tonight, according to The Daily Caller:

Quote:But now, according to CNN’s Brian Stelter, Erdely plans to make a public apology nearly four months after Rolling Stone’s retraction. Her apology appears to be timed to coincide with the release of a Columbia School of Journalism report on Rolling Stone’s journalistic failings.

“Once the story began to unravel… Erdely disappeared. She has been invisible ever since,” Stetler said on CNN’s “Reliable Sources.” “But my sources say that she will break her silence tonight, and she will be issuing a statement and will be formally apologizing for her errors.”

As The Daily Caller notes, the Columbia University Graduate School of Journalism will also release its report on what went wrong tonight at 8 p.m. EDT. A press conference will be held tomorrow. Stay tuned for Reason's continuing coverage of the issue.

Post: #1305

^^

I bet her apology will be something like "Although the specifics of the UVA incident in some places are now in doubt, let this not detract from all too real sexual assault committed on our campuses every day, blah blah.." and "Although Jackie may have bent the truth is some ways, I still believe something awful happened to Jackie that night, blah blah..."

Post: #1306

Unfortunately, it doesn't look like a libel case is realistic. You have to prove that 1) Erdly knew Jackie was lying and she 2) Published the story with intent to defame the fraternity.

Post: #1307

The Columbia report has just been posted on the Rolling Stone website:

http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/feat...g-20150405

Rolling Stone is now officially retracting the original story:

Quote:This report was painful reading, to me personally and to all of us at Rolling Stone. It is also, in its own way, a fascinating document ­ a piece of journalism, as Coll describes it, about a failure of journalism. With its publication, we are officially retracting 'A Rape on Campus.' We are also committing ourselves to a series of recommendations about journalistic practices that are spelled out in the report. We would like to apologize to our readers and to all of those who were damaged by our story and the ensuing fallout, including members of the Phi Kappa Psi fraternity and UVA administrators and students. Sexual assault is a serious problem on college campuses, and it is important that rape victims feel comfortable stepping forward. It saddens us to think that their willingness to do so might be diminished by our failings.

Post: #1308

NY Times story

Quote:Mr. Wenner said that Ms. Erdely would continue to write for Rolling Stone, and that Will Dana, the magazine’s managing editor, and the editor of the article, Sean Woods, would keep their jobs.

Unf'ingbelievable.

Post: #1309

(04-05-2015 07:25 PM)The Lizard of Oz Wrote:  NY Times story

Quote:Mr. Wenner said that Ms. Erdely would continue to write for Rolling Stone, and that Will Dana, the magazine’s managing editor, and the editor of the article, Sean Woods, would keep their jobs.

Unf'ingbelievable.

Actually this could be a good thing. If they fired them, it would be a necessary step to try to restore credibility. Since they are saying "fuck you" everyone now will know they are a rag. Whatever they write now, people can say "Rolling Stone, the one who wrote the rape hoax and never fired Erdely? I don't believe a thing they say." This can be forever held over the head of RS to mock their credibility.

Post: #1310

I have skimmed through that report. It is essentially a whitewash of Rolling Stone masquerading as "criticism". There is mind-numbing detail of who noted what when and much pious talk of "confirmation bias", and an utter failure to remark on the unbearable stench of ideological collusion and sleaze that emanates from Rolling Stone's entire operation; their hunger to find, accept, and publish obvious crazy lies, the utterly implausible and self-contradictory fabrications of a single person, as if they were verified and gravely important gospel truth.

This dull and mealy-mouthed report was designed to let Rolling Stone get away with the outrage they have perpetrated, and it is no surprise to hear in its immediate wake that not only will none of the editors be fired for this story, but Sabrina Rubin Erdely herself will continue to write for the magazine.

The rot is very deep.

Post: #1311

Here is Rubin Erdely's non-apology:

https://twitter.com/phillipmbailey/statu...89/photo/1



No apology to Phi Psi or its actual flesh and blood members whose lives were turned into a living hell as a result of these lies -- only to the hypothetical "vicitims" who may now be "fearful".

What fucking scum.

Post: #1312

(04-05-2015 07:44 PM)The Lizard of Oz Wrote:  I have skimmed through that report. It is essentially a whitewash of Rolling Stone masquerading as "criticism".

Interesting - I haven't read the report but the NYT called it a scathing indictment of Rolling Stone and Sabrina.

Quote:Rolling Stone now has what it asked for: a thorough indictment of its behavior.

Quote:The report, published by the Columbia Graduate School of Journalism and commissioned by Rolling Stone, said the magazine failed to engage in “basic, even routine journalistic practice” to verify details of the ordeal that the magazine’s source, identified only as Jackie, described to the article’s author, Sabrina Rubin Erdely.

FWIW, the NYT did not cherry pick even one sentence that could be considered to defend RS/Sabrina for their actions. The NYT instead admonished RS quite significantly without forgiveness. I wonder how other major news outlets will interpret the report?

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/06/busine...ginia.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/06/busine...alism.html

Post: #1313

I think the decisions Rolling Stone made in regards to letting that chick keep her job and not apologizing to the fraternity are 100% related to money. There is no idealism or social agenda here. Whoever the owner is made a business decision.
I guarantee you they hired a professional crisis management firm. That firm sat down with the RS in house counsel, and they made a plan that they figured would minimize both RS legal liability and any economic damage. Obviously they feared being made a target of SJWs if they canned the woman, and they also probably figured that forcefully admitting incompetence would further damage their reputation. The strategy seems to be, muddy the waters, say shit happened, set up some modest out of court settlements with the frat/university, and hope that 6 months from now no one remembers what happened.
I can't say that they are wrong in terms of their Machiavellian strategy. It might work.
Personally I would think that it would be better to cut out the rot, but they have information I don't. They probably considered advertising demographics and revenue, subscriber demographics and revenue, and the cost of chaos/replacing multiple senior employees at once.

Post: #1314

(04-05-2015 07:25 PM)The Lizard of Oz Wrote:  NY Times story

Quote:Mr. Wenner said that Ms. Erdely would continue to write for Rolling Stone, and that Will Dana, the magazine’s managing editor, and the editor of the article, Sean Woods, would keep their jobs.

Unf'ingbelievable.

Wow...I guess I'm not cynical enough about the media, because I definitely didn't see that one coming.

Post: #1315

(04-05-2015 07:51 PM)monster Wrote:  

(04-05-2015 07:44 PM)The Lizard of Oz Wrote:  I have skimmed through that report. It is essentially a whitewash of Rolling Stone masquerading as "criticism".

Interesting - I haven't read the report but the NYT called it a scathing indictment of Rolling Stone and Sabrina.

Quote:Rolling Stone now has what it asked for: a thorough indictment of its behavior.

Duh. Of course that is what the NYT would say. I could have written that phrase "scathing indictment" in my sleep or even dead.

They publish this mealy-mouthed "report", it's a "scathing indictment" LOL, and the real problem is that "victims" are just going to be more "fearful" going forward (that's what most of that NYT article is about by the way). Now everyone can just go back to their jobs and try to do better next time.

LOL.

These people are confident they can get away with everything. And maybe they're right.

Post: #1316

(04-05-2015 07:04 PM)The Lizard of Oz Wrote:  The Columbia report has just been posted on the Rolling Stone website:

http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/feat...g-20150405

Rolling Stone is now officially retracting the original story:

Quote:This report was painful reading, to me personally and to all of us at Rolling Stone. It is also, in its own way, a fascinating document ­ a piece of journalism, as Coll describes it, about a failure of journalism. With its publication, we are officially retracting 'A Rape on Campus.' We are also committing ourselves to a series of recommendations about journalistic practices that are spelled out in the report. We would like to apologize to our readers and to all of those who were damaged by our story and the ensuing fallout, including members of the Phi Kappa Psi fraternity and UVA administrators and students. Sexual assault is a serious problem on college campuses, and it is important that rape victims feel comfortable stepping forward. It saddens us to think that their willingness to do so might be diminished by our failings.

Sickening. No mention of the damage caused by the false story they propagated.
No mention of the fraternity members who were stalked on campus by the legions of fat, loud and violent women who did everything they could to make their lives miserable. Throwing food at them, bricks through windows, defacing and vandalizing property, screaming endless obscenities and death threats at the supposed perpetrators.

It's painfully obvious that the entire publication of the story was executed by females reacting and running on emotion. And now those same progressive women are attempting to shrug off their wrong doings with an "oops, sorry." This is how most western women react when they're caught in the wrong (marginalize the fault so it can be trivialized and then play the victim). Thus it is our responsibility to stay logical and remind them of just how wrong they are.

As Patrice O'neal says when he screams at his girlfriend in frustration: For every one thing she does wrong he has to counter with three points of logic so she gets it. Same goes for us, we have to tell them:

1.What they did wrong.

2.Why they did it.

3.Show them how to behave correctly in the future.

Rolling Stone needs to take a hard hit financially as well as reputably. Their offices should be surrounded with protesters as well as suffer being defaced/vandalized in no less the same manner as the UVA fraternity was forced to endure. Their employees and journalists need to know what it's like to be stalked, accosted, and live in fear for their safety whenever they step outside their homes.
Every person from the CEO down to the interns should be put through the same gauntlet that Rolling Stone's victims had to endure because of their greed, incompetence, and most of all their agenda driven impulsiveness.

Anything less than the above will mean that the three points were not made and the problem will surely repeat itself.

Post: #1317

Here is the statement from Virginia's white-knighting Attorney General Mark Herring:

https://twitter.com/AJFriedenberger/stat...21/photo/1



Again -- the only conceivable problem with these malicious lies and slander is that they have put "survivors" in a "more difficult position".

The men who were affected do not merit a mention. As if they weren't even human.

And most importantly, the witch hunts must continue at any cost, because we "know" -- despite all evidence to the contrary -- that "campus sexual violence is a real and urgent problem".

This is what we are dealing with.

Post: #1318

From the NYT piece:

Quote:The problems with the article started with its source, Mr. Wenner said. He described her as “a really expert fabulist storyteller” who managed to manipulate the magazine’s journalism process.

You see Rolling Stone has this "journalism process" where they don't bother to check if the outrageous claims made by their sources are actually true or not. And Jackie "manipulated" this "process" by making outrageous claims that weren't true.

I'm amazed these people can say this stuff with a straight face.

Post: #1319

16 things we learned from the review of the Rolling Stone gang-rape story

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/16-thi...le/2562566

Quote:16. No one is getting fired
Not Erdely, not her editors, not the fact checkers.

Post: #1320

(04-05-2015 08:25 PM)Renzy Wrote:  I'm amazed these people can say this stuff with a straight face.

I'm not.

Post: #1321

(04-05-2015 07:49 PM)The Lizard of Oz Wrote:  Here is Rubin Erdely's non-apology:

https://twitter.com/phillipmbailey/statu...89/photo/1



No apology to Phi Psi or its actual flesh and blood members whose lives were turned into a living hell as a result of these lies -- only to the hypothetical "vicitims" who may now be "fearful".

What fucking scum.

She's a total cunt.

Post: #1322

(04-05-2015 10:26 PM)DetlefMourning Wrote:  

(04-05-2015 07:49 PM)The Lizard of Oz Wrote:  Here is Rubin Erdely's non-apology:

https://twitter.com/phillipmbailey/statu...89/photo/1



No apology to Phi Psi or its actual flesh and blood members whose lives were turned into a living hell as a result of these lies -- only to the hypothetical "vicitims" who may now be "fearful".

What fucking scum.

She's a total cunt.

A lot of people are pointing out not only does she deliberately not apologize to Phi Kappa Psi, in the first sentence of the apology, she talks about how hard she has been hurt from this affair.

Post: #1323

(04-05-2015 10:40 PM)Dusty Wrote:  

(04-05-2015 10:26 PM)DetlefMourning Wrote:  

(04-05-2015 07:49 PM)The Lizard of Oz Wrote:  Here is Rubin Erdely's non-apology:

https://twitter.com/phillipmbailey/statu...89/photo/1



No apology to Phi Psi or its actual flesh and blood members whose lives were turned into a living hell as a result of these lies -- only to the hypothetical "vicitims" who may now be "fearful".

What fucking scum.

She's a total cunt.

A lot of people are pointing out not only does she deliberately not apologize to Phi Kappa Psi, in the first sentence of the apology, she talks about how hard she has been hurt from this affair.

I could have at least halfway respected her if she had expressed some shred of humility and basically just said "I fucked up" without any excuses. She apologized to everybody EXCEPT the members of that fraternity and that is inexcusable. Not a shred of self awareness and humility after all of this. And she's not getting fired. This would be like The New Republic retaining Stephen Glass.

Post: #1324

(04-05-2015 10:40 PM)Dusty Wrote:  A lot of people are pointing out not only does she deliberately not apologize to Phi Kappa Psi, in the first sentence of the apology, she talks about how hard she has been hurt from this affair.

A lot of men got a "lovely" education in non-apologies. This element - where Erdley did so much damage to others, but immediately says how much she was hurt - is what I call "The Turn-Around". And that "Turn-Around" element is extremely reliable in detecting non-apologies, narcissism, and emotional manipulation.

I had a former friend try to pull the exact same crap on me, and seven people liked his apology on facebook. But I wasn't fooled for an instant.

Our ability to spot this "Turn-Around" makes us practically invulnerable to their bullshit; it's what makes us Red Pill.

Post: #1325

(04-05-2015 10:40 PM)Dusty Wrote:  she talks about how hard she has been hurt from this affair.

That's Standard Issue Girlthink when called on her wrong-doing: But how do you think I feel?

It's come up in every argument I've ever had with a women.

This is why I'm not surprised by any of this.

All along, I thought Erdely was a young twit, like Caitlin Dewey, and might have an excuse for not knowing better. Instead she's a post wall hag, with what I think of as 'Neurotic Leftist Divorcee Cuntface', and I'd predict she's on some kind of mood-stabilising medication.

I banged plenty of these in their 20's, and they all ended up with *this look* by their 40's: sort of a simultaneous combination of arrogance and insecurity.



She has two young children with her (not pictured so obviously beta) husband, so she's about five years from her post-divorce 'finding herself' shart-cum-memoir, which is probably the best place for her.