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(05-14-2019 01:10 PM)RoastBeefCurtains4Me Wrote:  
(05-14-2019 11:10 AM)Pride male Wrote:  No Iranian ever called you goyim.

True. They don't use Yiddish. They like to call us the Great Satan in general, or Kaafir for individuals. Also, Jews try to get jobs at all the banks, universities, media outlets, and government offices to take over the world. Iranians like bombing school buses and Jihad and such. It's a big difference for sure.

1- Only the regime and their cock-sucking supporters which are a minority in the country. An average Iranian is a lot more pro-US than pro-Russia for example.

2- As for Iranians doing terrorism, bombing school buses, jihad.....Do you mean in the West or in the 1000-way complicated proxy wars all over the region? Because those are very different things. I'm guessing you're referring to jewish community bombings in Buenos Aires in 1994, right?

Terrorism by IRGC =/= terrorism by an average joe Iranian citizen
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(05-14-2019 01:18 PM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  
(05-14-2019 01:10 PM)RoastBeefCurtains4Me Wrote:  
(05-14-2019 11:10 AM)Pride male Wrote:  No Iranian ever called you goyim.

True. They don't use Yiddish. They like to call us the Great Satan in general, or Kaafir for individuals. Also, Jews try to get jobs at all the banks, universities, media outlets, and government offices to take over the world. Iranians like bombing school busses and Jihad and such. It's a big difference for sure.

Give examples of the large number of Shia Jihad attacks please otherwise you're talking out of your ass like every other MSM mouthpiece drinking the koolaid.

I'll wait.

Also give actual verified, non-Western sources for Iranian backed groups who carry out bombing campaigns against civilian targets across the globe, kidnap and murder on video tape thousands of Syrians and Iraqis and have thousands of its Shia mercs put into countries to destabilise them.

I'll wait.

The only time I have heard of school buses being bombed in the last few years it was the Saudi's using the USA's gift of F-35's to bomb school buses in Yemen.
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(05-14-2019 01:18 PM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  
(05-14-2019 01:10 PM)RoastBeefCurtains4Me Wrote:  
(05-14-2019 11:10 AM)Pride male Wrote:  No Iranian ever called you goyim.

True. They don't use Yiddish. They like to call us the Great Satan in general, or Kaafir for individuals. Also, Jews try to get jobs at all the banks, universities, media outlets, and government offices to take over the world. Iranians like bombing school busses and Jihad and such. It's a big difference for sure.

Give examples of the large number of Shia Jihad attacks please otherwise you're talking out of your ass like every other MSM mouthpiece drinking the koolaid.

I'll wait.

Also give actual verified, non-Western sources for Iranian backed groups who carry out bombing campaigns against civilian targets across the globe, kidnap and murder on video tape thousands of Syrians and Iraqis and have thousands of its Shia mercs put into countries to destabilise them.

I'll wait.

No, you give me a list of every time the jews call us goyim. And after that, I've got more homework for you! Whip

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I posted this in the British Politics thread:

I'm just about done with 'politics' now. If what it looks like is about to happen in Iran, really happens, that's it, I'm out for good then. It won't just be America, Britain will be dragged in to it. It's the Gulf.

Maybe not WWIII, but GWIII.

We have major interests in the region there and are also strengthening our stronghold geo-politcally. It goes way back to the time Bahrain was a Protectorate of our country, only to be relinquished in the 70's. Let me fact check that. About right.

I should probably take this to the Iran thread now.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of...otectorate

The British signed two further treaties with Al Khalifa in 1880 and 1892,[69] putting the defense and foreign relations of Bahrain in the control of Britain[21] and turning Bahrain into a British colonial protectorate.[70] Following an incident in 1904, in which a relative of the ruler attacked Persians and Germans, the ruler agreed to place foreigner affairs in British hands.

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During the First World War, Bahrain was threatened again by Wahhabis, who re-occupied the eastern part of Arabia, Ottomans and Persian, both of which did not drop their claims over the island.[75] Britain responded to tightening its hold over Bahrain.[75] Bahrainis were not sympathetic with the allies, which the British attributed to their lack of attention toward Shia oppression and enforcement of reforms.[75] When war ended, Britain changed its policy in Bahrain from being cautious and giving advises to the ruler, to directly implementing reforms.[76]



For Wahhabis, read Saudis.



As soon as the Wahhabis were weakened by the Egyptian advance in 1811, Al Khalifa announced their alliance with Oman and paid tribute to it for two years.[7] Then, when Oman was weakened after their defeat by Al Qawasim, Al Khalifa announced their autonomy.[7] Al Jalahma's leader Rahmah bin Jabir, based in Khur Hassan opposed Al Khalifa who he held a deep grudge against.[6] He pirated their ships and supported their enemies until he was killed in 1826 in a dramatic battle.[6] In 1820, Britain then the dominant power in the region signed "General Treaty of Peace" with tribal chiefs including Al Khalifa.[8] By singing this treaty, Britain recognized Al Khalifa as "legitimate" rulers of Bahrain,[9] however Britain also gave Persians a claim over Bahrain, which they kept invoking until Bahrain's independence in 1971.


For Persians, read Iranians.


It's not just America that has their foot in the door in the Gulf and in Bahrain and Manama in particular. Britain is upping operations there, building on the base they already have.


UK to establish £15m permanent Mid East military base

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-30355953

Britain is to establish its first permanent military base in the Middle East since it formally withdrew from the region in 1971.


Other links:

https://militarywatchmagazine.com/articl...in-bahrain

https://www.thenational.ae/world/bahrain...e-1.479101

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/11...ously-enh/

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/anger...z-40-years



Bahrain is 70 percent Shia and they are ruled over by 30 percent Sunni Al-Khalifa despots, who like to shit on instagram whores. Islam is a sham and a mockery to them, only being useful to being a religious front to keep dissent down. It is a shallow hollow sham. These men are not of God or any higher calling. They are fucking camel jockeys whose father used to ride a camel, as will their sons. I paraphrase.

Bahrain is more Iranian than Saudi. That 70 percent Shia demographic means something. I doubt there is even 30 percent Shia in Saudi (I don't know).

Really, Iran should rule Bahrain. The majority would be happy with that. But it will never happen. Thanks to America and Britain. This is how it plays out when you fuck about with 'geo-politics'.

Bahrain is just too important. It's a massive oversized airstrip and stationary aircraft carrier for both America and Britain. If you get the joke about the UK being 'Airstrip One' then this is 'Airstrip Two'.

The British led a serious campaign of tortue to brutally put down any political dissent on the island. Ian Henderson and Dave Darby would use unique torture methods to crush opposition to the ruling puppets. Bottles up the arse, being thrown out of helicopters at height. People were disappeared every day in that country. They still are.

I researched the torture methods used. I read dozens and dozens of testimonies from people who had surived the torture or just witnessed it. There was a definite pattern.

Men would go missing at work. There one day and gone the next. Mothers and children missing fathers who just disappeared in to thin air. Nothing left, except the stories and the rumours...

If you doubt Ian Henderson's credentials, google his name along with the words 'mau mau' - he put down that brutal rebellion pretty quick. And it wasn't pretty either.

Let me google that for you:

https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Ian_Henderson

Ian Henderson was a British citizen best known for his use of torture to put down the Mau Mau Uprising in Kenya, and later the 1990s Uprising in Bahrain as an employee of the Bahraini government.


The Bahraini natives are not allowed to go to the beach. Even back then there was a beach where only white Europeans were allowed to go. The Sheik had a palace there. Rumour goes, that he liked nothing better than hot blondes to shit on him while he laid under a glass table. The rumours were rife. Fast forward many decades and we see the procilivity these scum bags have for scat.

Money talks and bullshit walks. When you can offer someone who takes your fancy 50K without batting an eyelid, well, you soon find out how faithful bitches are. Won't shit on me for 50K, how does a 100K sound? Not like I'm going to miss that spare change in my pocket.

Oil == Black Gold.

Bahrain has a bit of oil left, but its real purpose is as an airbase and port for the strongest navies in the world. Ok, maybe the UK is not such a fearsome naval force anymore, but we get by. You only need the odd floating airbase kitted out with the lates F-35's to cause a real ruckus. As late and as overpriced as they may be. It's still projection of power. And it's power you can use.

Iran has massive power. But they dare not use it. America and Britain can just put a fucking article in the Daily Mail about how Yemeni rebels funded by Iran sabotaged some ships, then they get carte blanche to bomb the shit out of whatever they like.

But like the proverbial rat, Iran will kick back at some point if they are cornered. This whole situation seems engineered just to escalate to that point. I hope I'm wrong.

On certain days you can walk down the street in Bahrain at Ashura. The streets run red with blood. Women and children line the streets and alleys. Men beat themselves with whips and knives drawing real blood. They aren't messing about. These are the Shia. Their frustration at their oppression driving them on further.

The whole region is a powder keg. It took the Saudis coming over in fucking armoured cars to crush the rebellion that happened in the Arab Spring of a few years back. Pakistani mercenaries from Balochistan (heard about the bombing there recently?) beat the natives all under the pay of the Sunni rulers. They fire tear gas cannisters in to the eyes and heads of the young children protesting. And once snatched, those kids are subjected to the same torture the adults are.

There is dissent and then there is discontent. And then there is goold old fashioned hate where you want heads on spikes. That is the current state of play politically in Bahrain. Where the US and the Brits have all their ships and bases. Hell, practically the whole southern half of Bahrain is cordoned off and is just a massive airbase. It is a very small country and island, but seriously overpopulated and densely packed. Comparable to Tokyo.

And if you want to talk about sexual frustration, they have a horde of young men that never even get their dick wet until in to their mid-twenties, if that. Gay for the day and Bend for a friend is the name of the game there. But don't think they are happy about it when their Sunni rulers get to shit on the finest whores in Paris and London.


Phew. Shit, nearly lost it there. Rewind...


So much more to be said.

I can only turn a blind eye for so long to the injustices my country metes out to other countries.

I'd be happy to be blind in both eyes if these injustices benefited my country and my people. But they don't. They only bolster the few.

That's a moral failing on my part, when I put it like that. And I have no easy anwer to it.

These people just can't help but stir the hornet's nest. They have to antagonise. And even though things aren't good and a lot of people aren't happy, they just have to go sticking the stick in to the buzzing nest one more time. Because they can.

I don't know how this ends. But the day is coming soon where that just won't be an option anymore.

This is another power play and it looks like it is going ahead. I hope I'm wrong. If I'm not, say hello to Gulf War III and hopefully not WWIII.

We live in interesting dangerous times.
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AMIA was 1994, Israeli Embassy was 1992. Both have strong leads to Hezbollah and the Iranian services.

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That's nice, but is there anything less than 25 years old? Seriously, give us at least something...

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Lockerbie was pinned on Gaddafi, turns out is was another Mossad job.

https://archive.org/stream/DeceptionOver...k_djvu.txt

Plus ça change,...

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The US military is exploring a plan to deploy 120,000 troops to the Middle East as tensions with Iran intensify


https://www.businessinsider.com/us-milit...?r=US&IR=T


Much ado about nothing.

Trump knows he's finished if he kicks it off with Iran. He won't get a second term if he starts shit.

If he was going to do it he would wait until the start of the second term.

It would be suicide for him to do it now.

More people would vote against him for this than would be impressed by it.

Then again, who knows what kind of insanity lies ahead.
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(05-14-2019 10:28 PM)Rigsby Wrote:  Much ado about nothing.

Trump knows he's finished if he kicks it off with Iran. He won't get a second term if he starts shit.

If he was going to do it he would wait until the start of the second term.

It would be suicide for him to do it now.

More people would vote against him for this than would be impressed by it.

Then again, who knows what kind of insanity lies ahead.

I started this thread five years ago. I've thought the pressure for war with Iran was relentless for years.

Still, now that it seems to be coming, I can't believe it because it's so insane.

Trump let these snakes Bolton and Pompeo into his administration, they're able to directly communicate with the Saudis, Israelis, Emiratis etc to set up the false flags.

These tanker attacks are so obviously bogus, but the media just repeat the "US officials" who "suspect Iran."

The Spanish withdrew their ship from the Abraham Lincoln carrier battlegroup. They don't want to be a part of it (or be the designated target).

The British general who is deputy commander of the coalition forces fighting against ISIS said there was no special threat from Iran right now and the US CENTCOM commander ran out to say he was wrong.

They're withdrawing "non essential personnel" from the US diplomatic missions in Iraq, which will be pounded by pro-Iran militias if the US bombs Iran.
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It's going to be interesting. It might seem like a big call but now that the left/right dichotomy is about to be replaced by the globozionistcartel/non dichotomy the grassroots anti war movement is going to hit the JQ in a pretty spectacular way.

This one is for all the marbles. The chosen will demand that the anti war movement be struck down as antisemitic and in doing so they will unite much of the left and right goyim against them. All that will be left are the chosen and the zio-thralls.

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Bingo.

So...this is kind of butting up against the limits of what I can say but Iran has been very closely watching the US weakness for years. For the last decade at least they’ve been working to exploit those weaknesses by grooming tribes in the border regions of Iraq and Afghanistan. The idea is to tie the US in a multi-front war by activating these tribes to attack staging areas, supply chains, and other supporting infrastructure that’s necessary for any ground invasion to work.


They actually ARE engaged in a lot of the anti-US shit they’re accused of but their strategic goals are deliberately misrepresented. It isn’t some kind of “death to Israel” bullshit. They’re trying to build up effective deterrence against a US invasion and make it as difficult as possible for the US/Israel/Saudi alliance to engage in direct action.
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(05-15-2019 04:44 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  It's going to be interesting. It might seem like a big call but now that the left/right dichotomy is about to be replaced by the globozionistcartel/non dichotomy the grassroots anti war movement is going to hit the JQ in a pretty spectacular way.

This one is for all the marbles. The chosen will demand that the anti war movement be struck down as antisemitic and in doing so they will unite much of the left and right goyim against them. All that will be left are the chosen and the zio-thralls.



Hey, look at the bright side, we may get to clarify the 'Nuclear ambiguity' issue and maybe even if the Sampson option, really is an option.
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(05-15-2019 12:39 PM)Easy_C Wrote:  Bingo.

So...this is kind of butting up against the limits of what I can say but Iran has been very closely watching the US weakness for years. For the last decade at least they’ve been working to exploit those weaknesses by grooming tribes in the border regions of Iraq and Afghanistan. The idea is to tie the US in a multi-front war by activating these tribes to attack staging areas, supply chains, and other supporting infrastructure that’s necessary for any ground invasion to work.


They actually ARE engaged in a lot of the anti-US shit they’re accused of but their strategic goals are deliberately misrepresented. It isn’t some kind of “death to Israel” bullshit. They’re trying to build up effective deterrence against a US invasion and make it as difficult as possible for the US/Israel/Saudi alliance to engage in direct action.

The answer for US with Iran is "More Rubble, Less Trouble". No boots on the ground. If they insist on being bombed, let them have it, then let them figure it out themselves afterwards, and bomb them again if they don't it right.

I hope Iran doesn't insist on being bombed, but if they do, MRLT is the best US approach.

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Is Trump, Bolton, and Pompeo really plunging us into war with Iran?

I've never seen tensions escalate this quickly in my lifetime ........ and Iranians are a stubborn and pride nation of people.

Clown world is becoming not so funny anymore.

All this is surreal to me.
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And here we go ........







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(05-15-2019 01:51 PM)RoastBeefCurtains4Me Wrote:  
(05-15-2019 12:39 PM)Easy_C Wrote:  Bingo.

So...this is kind of butting up against the limits of what I can say but Iran has been very closely watching the US weakness for years. For the last decade at least they’ve been working to exploit those weaknesses by grooming tribes in the border regions of Iraq and Afghanistan. The idea is to tie the US in a multi-front war by activating these tribes to attack staging areas, supply chains, and other supporting infrastructure that’s necessary for any ground invasion to work.


They actually ARE engaged in a lot of the anti-US shit they’re accused of but their strategic goals are deliberately misrepresented. It isn’t some kind of “death to Israel” bullshit. They’re trying to build up effective deterrence against a US invasion and make it as difficult as possible for the US/Israel/Saudi alliance to engage in direct action.

The answer for US with Iran is "More Rubble, Less Trouble". No boots on the ground. If they insist on being bombed, let them have it, then let them figure it out themselves afterwards, and bomb them again if they don't it right.

I hope Iran doesn't insist on being bombed, but if they do, MRLT is the best US approach.

Unlike in Iraq, Syria or Libya, some of the ruble here is going to have US soldiers in it, USN boats sunk and army bases hit. And with the global economy also being a collateral, when Hormuz traffic is going to be disrupted (hello $200 oil).

Iran is going out of its way to avoid trouble, the notion that they've been provoking the US into a war is pure zio-globo propaganda. The weird thing this time around is that it's not just the usual suspects on the koshervative right (Fox, Breitbart, Shapiro and most BoomerCon outlets), but also the globohomo freaks on the left like Maddow that have been stoking the war talk.

These MSM outlets have waged a 2 year propaganda campaign using TDS to turn it into raging Russophobia that brings their zombie lefties into the lap of neocons.

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(05-15-2019 04:38 PM)911 Wrote:  
(05-15-2019 01:51 PM)RoastBeefCurtains4Me Wrote:  
(05-15-2019 12:39 PM)Easy_C Wrote:  Bingo.

So...this is kind of butting up against the limits of what I can say but Iran has been very closely watching the US weakness for years. For the last decade at least they’ve been working to exploit those weaknesses by grooming tribes in the border regions of Iraq and Afghanistan. The idea is to tie the US in a multi-front war by activating these tribes to attack staging areas, supply chains, and other supporting infrastructure that’s necessary for any ground invasion to work.


They actually ARE engaged in a lot of the anti-US shit they’re accused of but their strategic goals are deliberately misrepresented. It isn’t some kind of “death to Israel” bullshit. They’re trying to build up effective deterrence against a US invasion and make it as difficult as possible for the US/Israel/Saudi alliance to engage in direct action.

The answer for US with Iran is "More Rubble, Less Trouble". No boots on the ground. If they insist on being bombed, let them have it, then let them figure it out themselves afterwards, and bomb them again if they don't it right.

I hope Iran doesn't insist on being bombed, but if they do, MRLT is the best US approach.

Unlike in Iraq, Syria or Libya, some of the ruble here is going to have US soldiers in it, USN boats sunk and army bases hit. And with the global economy also being a collateral, when Hormuz traffic is going to be disrupted (hello $200 oil).

Iran is going out of its way to avoid trouble, the notion that they've been provoking the US into a war is pure zio-globo propaganda. The weird thing this time around is that it's not just the usual suspects on the koshervative right (Fox, Breitbart, Shapiro and most BoomerCon outlets), but also the globohomo freaks on the left like Maddow that have been stoking the war talk.

These MSM outlets have waged a 2 year propaganda campaign using TDS to turn it into raging Russophobia that brings their zombie lefties into the lap of neocons.

If Iran is actually trying to avoid war, they're fucking up. It's like a loser that can't stay out of jail when practically everybody else in society manages to do so, and they say the system is rigged against them. I hope they get a clue.

If you were running Iran, would you play the game the way they're doing it? Why is Iran the target of so much zio-globo propaganda, and why can't they handle it any better than they are?

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Diplomatic staff and others, including those employed by Western oil companies are being moved out of Iraq.

So either we have a very expensive moment of gunboat diplomacy or, based on events ever since WW2 we have another case of increasing the tension and edging it little by little until its game on.

Iran will bluster as it always will but they know nothing will stop Israel telling America to destroy it. It may be a case of if they are going down then they will make the Americans, Israel and the Arabs suffer.
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RE: The coming war with Iran
(05-13-2019 06:30 PM)RoastBeefCurtains4Me Wrote:  I

There are a lot of nations on the Earth. Quite a lot of them get along great with the US, and some get along poorly. Somehow Iran has managed to place themselves in the bottom 2 or 3 out of the whole world.

Is it really that hard to get along with the US?

Other nations get along with the US!?
Well it's like a school playground- there is a school bully, and you 'get along' with him, give him your lunch money otherwise you know he'll kick the shit out of you.
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(05-15-2019 12:39 PM)Easy_C Wrote:  Bingo.

So...this is kind of butting up against the limits of what I can say but Iran has been very closely watching the US weakness for years. For the last decade at least they’ve been working to exploit those weaknesses by grooming tribes in the border regions of Iraq and Afghanistan. The idea is to tie the US in a multi-front war by activating these tribes to attack staging areas, supply chains, and other supporting infrastructure that’s necessary for any ground invasion to work.


They actually ARE engaged in a lot of the anti-US shit they’re accused of but their strategic goals are deliberately misrepresented. It isn’t some kind of “death to Israel” bullshit. They’re trying to build up effective deterrence against a US invasion and make it as difficult as possible for the US/Israel/Saudi alliance to engage in direct action.

What is this spooky, unsubstantiated garbage?
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RE: The coming war with Iran
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-48279203

US pulls 'non-emergency staff' from Iraq as Iran tensions mount



https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article...-Iran.html

'There's been no increased threat': UK and US at loggerheads as British general undermines American claims military buildup in Middle East


Just read the articles. Lots of information there for those that can read between the lines.



I came across this interesting to and fro recently on a Military Forum. It's a Yank (American) arguing with a Limey (Brit). For illustrative purposes...

(The American is in italics, the Brit is in bold)



This won’t be a prolonged drawn out insurgency. This will be a short lived beat down. No occupation, no nation building, just killing your way to victory.


So it's going to be just like Iraq then? A short quick war and you'll be home by Christmas for rounds of "mission accomplished" banners, medals, book deals, and Hollywood movie series?

And "killing your way to victory"? Really? This isn't a video game where you score points based on how many pixels you kill.

I realise that the US has relatively little experience with war compared to many other countries, so you may want to read a bit of non-American history where you can learn that the enemy has a say in the matter too.

This isn't an exercise where the results are decided in advance. If and when war kicks off, Iran may not be interested in following the script you send them and may ignore your indignant protests when they
decide to conduct the war how and where they see their advantage as being rather than yours.

Good luck with the war, and excuse the laughter coming from Moscow. They can't help being amused at seeing that you never seem to learn from your mistakes.



It seems that the Brits aren't too impressed with the Americans' hawkishness. They know this won't be an easy battle. This is coming from men that have military experience and understanding. I have neither - just to remind you.



What do you think happens in a conventional fight?? This won't be a COIN op. It will be a fast paced high intensity naval and air campaign.


What makes you think it won't be a COIN op? Do you think it won't just because you don't want it to be?

Iraq wasn't supposed to be a COIN op. How did that turn out after many years and many billions of dollars?




'COIN op' is shorthand for Counter Insurgency Operation:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counter-insurgency

A counter-insurgency or counterinsurgency[1] (COIN) is defined by the United States Department of State as "comprehensive civilian and military efforts taken to simultaneously defeat and contain insurgency and address its root causes".[2] An insurgency is a rebellion against a constituted authority when those taking part in the rebellion are not recognized as belligerents.[3] It is "the organized use of subversion and violence to seize, nullify or challenge political control of a region. As such, it is primarily a political struggle, in which both sides use armed force to create space for their political, economic and influence activities to be effective."

According to scholars, it is crucial to know what this strategy was designed for to understand it comprehensively. COIN strategy aims to achieve the support of local population for the government created by host nation. The main point of the modern counterinsurgency campaign is not simply kill and capture insurgents, but to improve living conditions, support government in providing services for people and eliminate any support for insurgency.

Counter-insurgency is normally conducted as a combination of conventional military operations and other means, such as demoralization in the form of propaganda, psy-ops, and assassinations. Counter-insurgency operations include many different facets: military, paramilitary, political, economic, psychological, and civic actions taken to defeat insurgency.


The point the Brit makes about Iraq not meaning to be a COIN op is a good one. You don't need to be a military man to understand that the quick roll in there that saw forces defeated relatively quickly, turned in to a quagmire and clusterfuck of the highest proportions. Still picking up the pieces to this day. It will be decades before it gets any normalcy back. If it will even exist in a decade's time as a country the way things are going.

When regime change doesn't work, there's always the old switcheroo name change. I'm sure they can think up something catchy for it.

Afghanistan was very much a COIN op. I know many soldiers (nor personally) who felt they did good things and made great change there with the rebuilding of the country. That's still a 'long term project' shall we say.

I have to stress I am not disrespecting any men that served there. Braver men than I, for sure. I am talking about the 'game' here, not the 'player of the game'.

Love the player, hate the game!



Get with the OPLANS man!! You keep forgetting that we have some very nasty sticks to throw around.


"Get with the plan"? Wasn't my point that the Iranians may not agree to get with your plan but instead fight the war the way they want to instead?

This is the root of your problem. You seem to think that just because you want to fight the war in the way you want to fight it, and limit it to the territories and targets you want to limit it to, that the Iranians will agree to this. Why should they?

If you want to fight a war with Iran, go right ahead. But if you are just going to turn around and run away if the Iranians don't play the game the way you want them to, then be prepared for the world wide derision that will follow.



The Brit seems to think that the war is not going to go in the direction the Americans will be hoping for!

On reading that thread I don't think the Brits are going to get sucked in just yet to any conflict. The Americans seem to want to go it alone.

But the law of uninintended consequences is foretold to come in to play if they play this very dangerous game.

The Spanish vessel that left was only on exercises anyway, and besides that America told them 'we don't want you here - go away'. So it seems from what I could garner on that thread.


Anyway, this is just for illustration as I said.

It seems to me that if things kick off America is hoping to 'shock and awe' the Iranians in to submission quite quickly. If the Iranians don't play the game and bow down to their new masters, then it might be 'game on' and COIN ops will have to take place. Good luck with that.

Iran is like the Switzerland of the Middle East with its armed and trained population and mountain regions. To my naive understanding anyway.

Any attempt to 'COIN' that region will make Iraq and Afghanistan look like a sunday summer picnic, in my very inexperienced and uninformed opinion. I don't know.

The war drums are beating again.

Just trying to listen to what they say.
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RE: The coming war with Iran
(05-15-2019 03:44 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  
(05-14-2019 10:28 PM)Rigsby Wrote:  Much ado about nothing.

Trump knows he's finished if he kicks it off with Iran. He won't get a second term if he starts shit.

If he was going to do it he would wait until the start of the second term.

It would be suicide for him to do it now.

More people would vote against him for this than would be impressed by it.

Then again, who knows what kind of insanity lies ahead.

I started this thread five years ago. I've thought the pressure for war with Iran was relentless for years.

Still, now that it seems to be coming, I can't believe it because it's so insane.

Trump let these snakes Bolton and Pompeo into his administration, they're able to directly communicate with the Saudis, Israelis, Emiratis etc to set up the false flags.

These tanker attacks are so obviously bogus, but the media just repeat the "US officials" who "suspect Iran."

The Spanish withdrew their ship from the Abraham Lincoln carrier battlegroup. They don't want to be a part of it (or be the designated target).

The British general who is deputy commander of the coalition forces fighting against ISIS said there was no special threat from Iran right now and the US CENTCOM commander ran out to say he was wrong.

They're withdrawing "non essential personnel" from the US diplomatic missions in Iraq, which will be pounded by pro-Iran militias if the US bombs Iran.

It is insane. It's like 'end times'. I'm expecting the 'rapture' not long after.

I remember these same war drums being played pre-2004.

Iran is just the errant child and black sheep in the region. It's close to Russia as well. And is geo-politically strategic. The only other country more geo-politically stategic is Turkey. But that's kind of sewn up, or rather, having fun swinging the whole world around by the balls, just coz they can. Invade fucking Turkey if you want world peace!

The people Trump has put in to place couldn't have been worse.

The Tanker attacks are laughable. Never mind about spilling oil. Those vessels that carry 'aromatic hydrocarbons' are highly flammable. They have to be pumped full of inert gasses before any 'hot work' (welding/repairs) can take place. There is no fucking way you just send a few kilos of semtex over the pond via drone. For fuck's sake.

A stray spark from a welder is enough to blow the whole lot sky high. Thousands of cubic metres of explosive gasses. There have been ships that blew up there in that region in dry docks with serious loss of life. It happens.

Sharks with frikking laser beams is a more plausible explanation. I don't believe it anyway.

As for the Spanish. This is not their fight. They can go back to harrassing British ships off Gibraltar. :-)

The British General got pulled up but he made his point. Such is diplomatic relations today. They don't want any part of this. But they still might get dragged in. The Brits do not want this.

Any yeah, drawing troops who will be 'soft-targets' out of Iraq is a great idea. But there will still be many more soft targets and not many troops left to protect them if they do. High level ambassadors.

Then there is the Hezbollah and the other proxy interests in the region.

This shaking up of the hornet's nest, just as we were maybe, just maybe getting back to some kind of sanity, is beyond my ken.

I grew up in the region, and ever since I left all I've known is constant permanent war.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perpetual_war

Perpetual war, endless war, or a forever war, is a lasting state of war with no clear conditions that would lead to its conclusion. These wars are situations of ongoing tension that may escalate at any moment, similar to the Cold War. Today, the concepts are used to critique the United States Armed Forces interventions in foreign nations and the military–industrial complex, or wars with ambiguous enemies such as the War on Terror, War on Poverty, or the War on Drugs.


Sure, not the actual slaughter of WWI and WWII, but a low level war of attrition from all sides, that just never ceases. It grinds down the populace after a while and sends them crazy. Not knowing who the enemy is.

We have more insanity to come I'm sure.
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RE: The coming war with Iran
(05-15-2019 04:44 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  It's going to be interesting. It might seem like a big call but now that the left/right dichotomy is about to be replaced by the globozionistcartel/non dichotomy the grassroots anti war movement is going to hit the JQ in a pretty spectacular way.

This one is for all the marbles. The chosen will demand that the anti war movement be struck down as antisemitic and in doing so they will unite much of the left and right goyim against them. All that will be left are the chosen and the zio-thralls.

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It's the ultimate mind-fuck! (for the hard of thinking).
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What would happen if American soldiers mutinied? Would the get court marshalled and shot in the back of the head?

Don't debate me.
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RE: The coming war with Iran
I don't see any attack on Iran happening - at least not yet.

Why not?

Because any serious military confrontation in the Gulf would result in a massive spike in oil prices, which would continue as long as hostilities lasted. I could imagine $200/bbl within days.

This would crash the global financial system right now.

The crash is coming anyway of course, following which it is quite likely that we will will see war on Iran.

So, I think we are still in the propaganda preparation and economic sanctions phase, similar to the softening up of Iraq through the 1990s and leading up to the invasion of 2003.

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