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(12-09-2014 11:48 PM)Americas Wrote:  If my girlfriend wants a monogamous relationship, I don't sleep with other girls. It's as simple as that. I don't feel like you can have a healthy relationship with someone when you are actively lying, undermining her wishes, and disrespecting her. If you can't handle that, then I don't see the point of getting into a serious LTR.

Now, if the girl is fine with an open arrangement or the relationship is not serious then whatever who cares.

I've had two serious relationships in my life and I didn't cheat on either girl. Both girls had sex with me every night and let me do whatever I wanted in the bedroom. I was pleased sexually and I didn't get "bored." Did I see girls and sometimes ponder how nice it would be to stick my dick in them? Sure. But at the end of the day that was the price I paid for a plethora of benefits that having a good girl locked down gives you.

I seem to have a relationship where this is working out just fine. 11 months in and I've banged numerous girls on the side.

We're happy when together, we only see eachother 2 times a week max, we're both busy.

In my head it's an open relationship (aka no guilt, not actively lying, not actively disrespecting her). In my head I assume she might possibly have other suitors OR yeah maybe she's being faithful. So what ? I don't have a bad bone in my body about it.

I have no guilt as I said before. I see nothing wrong with this - most on the forum won't either.

I'm not bored of our sex life at all, it's actually getting more fun, doesn't mean I don't still like hunting on the side (biology 101).

But like you said that's the price you paid for staying monogamous.

I'm not paying any price (yet) for what I'm doing, and if shit happens and we break up, oh well so what ? You move on, there are plenty of girls in this world, I don't hold any girl special on a pedestal.

To me it's all about the moment and what complements my life, not some LTR looking forward to marriage BS.

Just because you're in an LTR does NOT mean you're headed for marriage IMHO.

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(12-09-2014 11:48 PM)Americas Wrote:  If my girlfriend wants a monogamous relationship, I don't sleep with other girls. It's as simple as that. I don't feel like you can have a healthy relationship with someone when you are actively lying, undermining her wishes, and disrespecting her. If you can't handle that, then I don't see the point of getting into a serious LTR.

Now, if the girl is fine with an open arrangement or the relationship is not serious then whatever who cares.

I've had two serious relationships in my life and I didn't cheat on either girl. Both girls had sex with me every night and let me do whatever I wanted in the bedroom. I was pleased sexually and I didn't get "bored." Did I see girls and sometimes ponder how nice it would be to stick my dick in them? Sure. But at the end of the day that was the price I paid for a plethora of benefits that having a good girl locked down gives you.

Notice how you say, "My girlfriend wants..." and "....her wishes". What do you want? and what are your wishes?
12-10-2014 09:06 AM
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Well this post might add another dimension to my earlier posts on this thread.

My girlfriend broke up with me 2 hours ago. Reason: I don't care about her enough. AND apparently there's an orbiter chiming in.

Monday night she was still calling me "daddy" and I was fucking her brains out. Tonight she actually said "I don't want anything to do with you anymore" Your loss bitch. I really pity the new orbiter guy, she said she knew him for a long time. And I SNL her.

Throughout the whole LTR she was a very good girl and I jumped her apartment all the time to make sure she's cheating, and I doubt she was. But it is a naive fool who thinks that she isn't pipelining up some dudes. I got all I want outta her so no foul here.

So, why should we game on the side? What, you seriously think your girl is not looking left or right just because you are exclusive with her?

EDIT: karma is a bitch by the way.

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(12-10-2014 07:12 PM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  Well this post might add another dimension to my earlier posts on this thread.

My girlfriend broke up with me 2 hours ago. Reason: I don't care about her enough. AND apparently there's an orbiter chiming in.

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she was still calling me "daddy" and I was fucking her brains out. Tonight she actually said "I don't want anything to do with you anymore" Your loss bitch. I really pity the new orbiter guy, she said she knew him for a long time. And I SNL her.

Throughout the whole LTR she was a very good girl and I jumped her apartment all the time to make sure she's cheating, and I doubt she was. But it is a naive fool who thinks that she isn't pipelining up some dudes. I got all I want outta her so no foul here.

So, why should we game on the side? What, you seriously think your girl is not looking left or right just because you are exclusive with her?


EDIT: karma is a bitch by the way.

See ? That's exactly my point ! You'll never truly know until shit actually happens, you must maintain frame at all times, that might mean side girls to make sure you don't become jealous/scarcity/pedestalization.

Thing is the minute you jumped her apartment to check on her was the moment you were the one who had more to lose in the relationship. Besides a bitch can flip any minute and "not be happy".

Quote:I don't care about her enough.

Read: You weren't giving me all the attention I desired so I started looking elsewhere especially to my guy BFF who totally am just friends with who I'll use to vent to get his hopes up until I jump back on the cock carousel.

And they say marriage is a risk ? Shit LTR/Mini-LTR's are a regular risk nowadays.

This is exactly why I can't stay monogamous.

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The only reason a lot of men don't cheat is they don't have the opportunity. Look at any successful man who has access to women - actors, athletes, investment bankers etc. They almost all cheat on their wives.

Its entirely possible to have a long term relationship with a girl you love, who you greatly enjoy spending time with. But still from time to time you go off and fuck the brains out of some girl 10 years younger, or whos simply a different type. If you're honest with yourself you'll realise love and lust are quite different things.

Any of my friends who've got game have cheated on their long term girlfriends at some stage or another. The key is just being smart about it - give a fake name to the one night stand, only do it when on holiday in a foreign city etc. Its always the beta males who never get the opportunity to cheat who judge cheating as 'wrong'.
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(12-13-2014 01:19 PM)zatara Wrote:  ... If you're honest with yourself you'll realise love and lust are quite different things...

I like this comment. The women that I've have the most fun with are the ones that can differentiate between love and "good sex". Some women think, just because you fucked them good, you love them.
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I’m in a current LTR with a great woman, but I’ve strayed from time to time. I trust her but still..... I feel like I have that 5-10% of distrust and that is enough to remind that I need to maintain frame. Who knows when a chick will hit the “I’m bored ... need to find myself .... we’ve changed ... something is missing” buttons? Hitting the occasional side piece gives you that confidence, that abundance mentality, that subconsciously radiates to the women in your life and helps you maintain frame. So I enjoy the occasional dalliance and I think it even helps the current relationship. As Roissy says, “keep two in the kitty.” So yeah, I said it, cheating helps a relationship. (For a man, of course). Of course, if I get caught, that rationale is not going far with my girl, he he.
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This remains one of the most difficult aspects in game for many a player. I suggest you read 'the rational male', it helps quite a lot with inner game and the psychology behind man-woman relationships, something often lacking in depth in other game books.
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(12-10-2014 12:37 AM)kaotic Wrote:  I seem to have a relationship where this is working out just fine. 11 months in and I've banged numerous girls on the side.

We're happy when together, we only see each other 2 times a week max, we're both busy.


See, but I don't consider this a very serious relationship. Yes, 11 months is a fairly long time but seeing a girl max 2 weeks is not really serious. I mean, some girls that I date get to see me that much almost right off the bat.

Quote:But like you said that's the price you paid for staying monogamous.

I'm not paying any price (yet) for what I'm doing, and if shit happens and we break up, oh well so what ? You move on, there are plenty of girls in this world, I don't hold any girl special on a pedestal.

To me it's all about the moment and what complements my life, not some LTR looking forward to marriage BS.

Just because you're in an LTR does NOT mean you're headed for marriage IMHO.

That's fine. I am not here to judge, just put out my opinion on the matter. Whatever works for you, works for you.

However, I would also add that just because you are in a serious LTR doesn't mean you are headed for marriage either. I don't have any intention to marry a girl at this stage in my life, but that doesn't mean I won't move in with the right one or be monogamous with one if she is a good girl and I have a connection with her. There are some serious benefits to a LTR. I love to get my dick wet with random girls as much as the next guy, but I am also introverted and I find the process fucking draining as hell. So much of my time is freed up not going out at night, not doing any online game or shit, not getting flaked on, not going on dates or whatever, it's pretty liberating to come home from whatever I was doing that day and have a hot girl there waiting for me. Of course there are opportunity costs to this, but I think quite a few people on this forum don't put enough weight on the benefits as much as they should.

I don't look at it as putting a girl on a pedestal, but if the right girl comes along that is loyal, committed to me, and pretty, among other qualities, I have no problems committing to her either. I realize there are plenty of fish in the sea at one end, but I also know that at least 85% of those fish are rotten and not worth any of my time and/or effort outside of getting my dick wet.

I have fucked some odd 70 girls at age 26, which isn't groundbreaking or anything, but it's a high enough number to suggest that I don't tie myself down with anyone either. However, I am extremely open to a serious relationship, particularly with Latinas from Latin America, if the right girl comes around.

(12-10-2014 09:06 AM)dark_g Wrote:  Notice how you say, "My girlfriend wants..." and "....her wishes". What do you want? and what are your wishes?

It would be foolish to think that a serious relationship doesn't take commitment and/or sacrifices from both parties.

Obviously it's a two-way street and I want them to be loyal to me as well.

I have a pretty big demand of my girlfriends: I live an extremely mobile lifestyle, if at some point I need to change locations for my goals, she should come along with me. That's a pretty big thing to ask from people and I am completely aware of that.

(12-13-2014 01:19 PM)zatara Wrote:  The only reason a lot of men don't cheat is they don't have the opportunity.

I don't really agree with that. It may have some effect on people, but it isn't the whole picture as well.

I've had plenty of opportunities to cheat on my girlfriends, but I didn't.

Now, sometimes shit just happens, we are human after all but that doesn't really have anything to do with a simplistic opportunity-no opportunity matrix.

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(12-03-2014 02:31 PM)dark_g Wrote:  If you are married or in a steady relationship, you should make it a rule to ALWAYS tell the side chick that you're in a relationship. Yes, some women will turn and walk away. Some will resist then bang you anyway. Some won't care. Either way, they will respect you for letting them know.
I've been out with my wife and ran into chicks that I've boned and they act like they didn't even know me. If I didn't tell them that I was married, It could have turned into some ugly sceens. If you lie to a woman and she finds out that you are in a committed relationship, thats when the jealousy and revenge shows up. Every guy that has had his windshield smashed or his tires slashed by a side chick, lied to her.
I've had chicks that I was banging tell me, "I know you're married, but I'm developing feelings for you and I can't do this any more". It's all good, on to the next one.

I disagree. Never tell the woman you are cheating with anything. Not your real name, not where you REALLY live, not what you do, not what college you go to. If they start thinking youre withholding something so what and who cares. The encounter ran it's course she can either roll with it or move on.
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RE: Gf/Marriage & cheating on the side
I have recently made the realization that it was me all along that was imposing the necessity for monogamy within the context of a LTR.

My current LTR (4-5 months) eventually asked for "more," around the three month mark. For her, I agreed to give more: actually replying to texts, and not replying with "business lunch demeanor."

Monogamy and giving a girl "more" are not mutually exclusive.

Most of the time, giving "more" is not worth it. But for the drama-free, feminine, nurturing girl, why not. A girl who needs monogamy will tell you this early on that this is the case, if you listen. If you fuck her once and move on, (or just move on), you'll never need to deal with it.

When I approach starting a relationship from this perspective, don't have to worry about cheating. It still feels bad sometimes, but only when I fuck girls less attractive than my LTR. Why bother?

This helps tighten game up even more. The hottest girls I've fucked have been while I had a LTR. No neediness, pure attraction fuels the interactions.

Marriage is different. I am undecided. I imagine that decision will have to weigh the interests of children in the picture.

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I think you shouldn't make it a habit or a goal. I am married with kids and for more than 3 years.
If you are married , you wear a ring. Any normal woman notices the ring. There was this girl I had strong eye contact with and the first thing I told her when we managed to discuss was that I am married with kids. She still gave me her number.

There is another girl who show some interest but when she got to know that I am married she became very defensive and agressive and I have never heard of her again. AT first I thought she was impolite and crazy , but she was actually a GOOD girl.

Morality : Always tell the truth , and if it happens that you get a girl who is unmarried and still wants to meet you , then you have the moral right to fuck her.

And yes , it feels shit after it and you feel guilty , but as long as it is not the goal of your life to cheat , and it happens from time to time I don't think it is a drama ( yet I believe in christian morality , but it is just something which throughout centuries has happened.) Cheating occasionally and not divorcing is more benefitial for society than divorcing without cheating , which seems to be the norm nowadays.

PS : Of course don't get caught. The best is to use business trips in another country .
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(09-07-2018 03:37 PM)Polniy_Sostav Wrote:  I think you shouldn't make it a habit or a goal. I am married with kids and for more than 3 years.
If you are married , you wear a ring. Any normal woman notices the ring. There was this girl I had strong eye contact with and the first thing I told her when we managed to discuss was that I am married with kids. She still gave me her number.

There is another girl who show some interest but when she got to know that I am married she became very defensive and agressive and I have never heard of her again. AT first I thought she was impolite and crazy , but she was actually a GOOD girl.

Morality : Always tell the truth , and if it happens that you get a girl who is unmarried and still wants to meet you , then you have the moral right to fuck her.

And yes , it feels shit after it and you feel guilty , but as long as it is not the goal of your life to cheat , and it happens from time to time I don't think it is a drama ( yet I believe in christian morality , but it is just something which throughout centuries has happened.) Cheating occasionally and not divorcing is more benefitial for society than divorcing without cheating , which seems to be the norm nowadays.

PS : Of course don't get caught. The best is to use business trips in another country .

Im married and I don't have those same hangups as you, maybe Im a sociopath. I don't tell bitches anything about me, nothing. I lie to them all the time. I lie to them for sport. I lie to see just how ridiculous i can get till one of them calls me on my bullshit. With the exception of my ex the women i deal with outside of my marriage are completely disposable
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I do a bit of both. If I can get away with not saying I’m married for a quick Tinder bang, I don’t.

But if I want to include the girl in my rotation for the long term, I tell her everything (about my marriage, not about the other girls). The last thing I want is to make an enemy.
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Interesting posts here...

I'll probably sound autistic but eurm any book recommendations on this? I dunno cheating for dummies or something Big Grin
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Cheating for dummies

(This assumes that you live with your LTR/wife and want to keep her. If you don’t live with her, or if you don’t care about breaking up, then you could relax some of the rules)

Step 1: Planning and Logistics

First you have to get the Logistics straight. This is by far the most important. When are you going to bang?
- On business trips
- When your wife is on business trips
- At work (lunchtime)
- Afterwork (five to seven)
- If you play basketball every Tuesday night, you could use your Tuesday night once in a while. Just make sure your wife doesn’t know your basketball buddies.

And where?
- At her place (the best)
- At your place (women leave hair behind, pick it up before your wife returns if she’s a different shade. You’ll notice that some women lose more hair than others)
- Hotel room (how much it will cost ? Can somebody see your car ?)
- Rent an apartment in town (expensive and less flexible than hotel - and girls will want to stay there longer that you would like)
- In the bathroom of the bar where you meet
- In your car

I cannot overemphasize how important is logistics. And you must be disciplined. If you meet a girl who doesn’t fit your logistical capabilities, eject immediately. Even if she’s a 9.

Step 2: Source girls

Sourcing girls is pretty much the same as when you are single, but you have to be careful in some cases.
- Social circle: Don’t. Too risky. Above all, don’t approach women who know your wife or who have met her in any circumstance.
- Night game: very risky. You’re not really supposed to party in bars and clubs without your wife. It’s still a possibility if you are occasionally going out with male friends or if you are traveling.
- Day game: good. Nobody is going to notice that you approach a girl or two from time to time, and if someone sees you, just say she was asking you for directions.
- Internet: the best, obviously. You can set up everything discretely and meet only on your terms. Use anonymous functions to make sure your wife or her friends cannot access your profile.

Don’t use Ashley Madison or the like. Women are even more entitled and lower quality than on Tinder.

Step 3: Filter girls

Most women are open to dating married men. I estimate that only 10-20% of women will never do it. The rest can be convinced if they find you cute. You may want to filter out girls who are very conservative or religious, and girls who are looking for a serious relationship or marriage. They will be a waste of time and may be trouble. Left-wing, feminist and kinky girls are usually the most open to married men.

In terms of age, avoid the 29-32 bracket. It’s an age where women are looking for marriage. The best age range is obviously 18-24 (they are experimenting) and to a lesser extent 35-40 (they are disillusioned with LTR).

For logistical reasons, prefer unemployed women and students who have a lot of free time. A woman with a full-time job is only available on evenings and weekends, when you should be with your family.

Avoid married women. It would be adultery, and there are enough single women anyway.

Step 4: From date to bang

Unless you go zero-date-bang you’ll need one or two dates in a public place before the bang. A quick coffee or drink early in the day in a discrete place should work. I like hotel bars because it looks like a work meeting or job interview.

When you’re ready, set up a meeting for sex at the time and place decided in step 1 above. You’ll need to be somewhat explicit when you invite her (‘let’s meet for sex in my hotel room’ or something like that). This is because you want to avoid legal risk and time wasters. Use condoms because if you catch something you’re going to be in a world of trouble.

If she hasn’t agreed to sex after second or third date, eject.

Step 5: Should you tell? When to tell?

It depends. Exercise your judgement. In general the best times to tell her that you’re married is after first date or after first bang. Don’t tell before first date because she will flake. And keep in mind that most women don’t want to know. If she’s just a notch, you may never tell her anything.

Telling early has two advantages:
- you won’t waste time with a girl who doesn’t do married men
- logistics will be easier, as she will be more understanding. If she knows that you are married and you must be home at 8 o’clock, she will understand why you have to fuck her in your car at 6 pm. If she thinks you’re single, she might find it a bit rude.

If she asks explicitly, tell her. You don’t want to be a liar. Sometimes it will cost you a bang but it would not have been a good one. Ill-gotten gains never profit.

If you plan on keeping the girl in your rotation you should tell her before she falls in love with you and causes all sorts of problems. Don’t say that you want to divorce. Say that you are very happy in your marriage and just want to have fun on the side. Most women will find this extremely interesting, and will be very understanding.

All the girls in your rotation should know about your wife, but not about one another. If they ask whether you have met another girl, say you are too busy with your wife. Your wife obviously should know about none of them.

Step 6: Don’t get caught

Avoid being in a public place with a girl, particularly at night or after 7 pm. If you have to, don’t display any kind of affection. Plausible deniability is key. But also don’t try to hide. Act like you have nothing to hide. Even if someone sees you, they are unlikely to tell your wife unless they have a flagrant proof.

If you stumble across someone you know, look confident and relaxed, introduce the girl to them (‘this is Tammy Lynn’) and walk away. Don’t explain anything.

Lie as little as possible, and never lie about times and places. If your wife says that someone saw you at the bar with a girl, admit you were at the bar. But say she was the intern at your office or ‘a friend’. And don’t explain more. Whatever happens, never, ever, ever confess anything to your wife.
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RE: Gf/Marriage & cheating on the side
(10-12-2018 03:59 AM)Montrose Wrote:  Cheating for dummies

(This assumes that you live with your LTR/wife and want to keep her. If you don’t live with her, or if you don’t care about breaking up, then you could relax some of the rules)

Step 1: Planning and Logistics

First you have to get the Logistics straight. This is by far the most important. When are you going to bang?
- On business trips
- When your wife is on business trips
- At work (lunchtime)
- Afterwork (five to seven)
- If you play basketball every Tuesday night, you could use your Tuesday night once in a while. Just make sure your wife doesn’t know your basketball buddies.

And where?
- At her place (the best)
- At your place (women leave hair behind, pick it up before your wife returns if she’s a different shade. You’ll notice that some women lose more hair than others)
- Hotel room (how much it will cost ? Can somebody see your car ?)
- Rent an apartment in town (expensive and less flexible than hotel - and girls will want to stay there longer that you would like)
- In the bathroom of the bar where you meet
- In your car

I cannot overemphasize how important is logistics. And you must be disciplined. If you meet a girl who doesn’t fit your logistical capabilities, eject immediately. Even if she’s a 9.

Step 2: Source girls

Sourcing girls is pretty much the same as when you are single, but you have to be careful in some cases.
- Social circle: Don’t. Too risky. Above all, don’t approach women who know your wife or who have met her in any circumstance.
- Night game: very risky. You’re not really supposed to party in bars and clubs without your wife. It’s still a possibility if you are occasionally going out with male friends or if you are traveling.
- Day game: good. Nobody is going to notice that you approach a girl or two from time to time, and if someone sees you, just say she was asking you for directions.
- Internet: the best, obviously. You can set up everything discretely and meet only on your terms. Use anonymous functions to make sure your wife or her friends cannot access your profile.

Don’t use Ashley Madison or the like. Women are even more entitled and lower quality than on Tinder.

Step 3: Filter girls

Most women are open to dating married men. I estimate that only 10-20% of women will never do it. The rest can be convinced if they find you cute. You may want to filter out girls who are very conservative or religious, and girls who are looking for a serious relationship or marriage. They will be a waste of time and may be trouble. Left-wing, feminist and kinky girls are usually the most open to married men.

In terms of age, avoid the 29-32 bracket. It’s an age where women are looking for marriage. The best age range is obviously 18-24 (they are experimenting) and to a lesser extent 35-40 (they are disillusioned with LTR).

For logistical reasons, prefer unemployed women and students who have a lot of free time. A woman with a full-time job is only available on evenings and weekends, when you should be with your family.

Avoid married women. It would be adultery, and there are enough single women anyway.

Step 4: From date to bang

Unless you go zero-date-bang you’ll need one or two dates in a public place before the bang. A quick coffee or drink early in the day in a discrete place should work. I like hotel bars because it looks like a work meeting or job interview.

When you’re ready, set up a meeting for sex at the time and place decided in step 1 above. You’ll need to be somewhat explicit when you invite her (‘let’s meet for sex in my hotel room’ or something like that). This is because you want to avoid legal risk and time wasters. Use condoms because if you catch something you’re going to be in a world of trouble.

If she hasn’t agreed to sex after second or third date, eject.

Step 5: Should you tell? When to tell?

It depends. Exercise your judgement. In general the best times to tell her that you’re married is after first date or after first bang. Don’t tell before first date because she will flake. And keep in mind that most women don’t want to know. If she’s just a notch, you may never tell her anything.

Telling early has two advantages:
- you won’t waste time with a girl who doesn’t do married men
- logistics will be easier, as she will be more understanding. If she knows that you are married and you must be home at 8 o’clock, she will understand why you have to fuck her in your car at 6 pm. If she thinks you’re single, she might find it a bit rude.

If she asks explicitly, tell her. You don’t want to be a liar. Sometimes it will cost you a bang but it would not have been a good one. Ill-gotten gains never profit.

If you plan on keeping the girl in your rotation you should tell her before she falls in love with you and causes all sorts of problems. Don’t say that you want to divorce. Say that you are very happy in your marriage and just want to have fun on the side. Most women will find this extremely interesting, and will be very understanding.

All the girls in your rotation should know about your wife, but not about one another. If they ask whether you have met another girl, say you are too busy with your wife. Your wife obviously should know about none of them.

Step 6: Don’t get caught

Avoid being in a public place with a girl, particularly at night or after 7 pm. If you have to, don’t display any kind of affection. Plausible deniability is key. But also don’t try to hide. Act like you have nothing to hide. Even if someone sees you, they are unlikely to tell your wife unless they have a flagrant proof.

If you stumble across someone you know, look confident and relaxed, introduce the girl to them (‘this is Tammy Lynn’) and walk away. Don’t explain anything.

Lie as little as possible, and never lie about times and places. If your wife says that someone saw you at the bar with a girl, admit you were at the bar. But say she was the intern at your office or ‘a friend’. And don’t explain more. Whatever happens, never, ever, ever confess anything to your wife.

Step 7: Don't allow your side chick to give you a full-body post-bang massage using SCENTED LOTION ... because next thing you know you're going to be standing knee-deep in a lake at 11 pm on the coldest night of the spring splashing lakewater and mud all over your face and neck trying to get the smell of the lotion off you before you go home where your GF is watching TV.

Let my mistakes become your wisdom.
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This thread should be renamed"Cheating for Hamsters".
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(02-09-2019 08:33 PM)doc holliday Wrote:  This thread should be renamed"Cheating for Hamsters".

LOL...

I just imagine how this 'cheated' girls would be laughing behind the face of these 'cheaters' while cheating on them as well.

I can understand cheating on your gf sometimes or in bad periods, but doing it sportly?
Just count each new pussy as a new dick your chick is blowing while you don't see her.
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But Zoso don't you understand, according to these dudes, while they're out there getting rim jobs from their "plates", their wives are at home baking cookies, polishing their shoes and waiting with open arms for them to arrive home after a long hard night "at work".
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The oft-mentioned idea that if you cheat on your woman, then she is likely to cheat on you is pure magical thinking, backed by zero evidence, and shows little understanding of the female psyche. If you ask a sample of women ‘what would you do if your man cheated?’ NONE OF THEM will reply ‘I will cheat in return’. Women make these decisions based on their feelings, not on the validity of a contract or agreement with a man. If anything, as I have said elsewhere, my personal experience is that cheating on a woman makes her more amorous and LESS LIKELY to cheat.
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(02-12-2019 02:03 AM)Montrose Wrote:  my personal experience is that cheating on a woman makes her more amorous and LESS LIKELY to cheat.

Game recognised. My own observations match this conclusion 100%.

I would add that what montrose says is true assuming you do it right:

1. Deny everything, even in the face of overwhelming evidence

2. Do not get caught in the act every other week (if you are married/LTR your woman can only tolerate so much)

3. You need to genuinely respect your woman, and make an effort (clean the hair from other women. Wash the wine glasses you used. Change the bed sheets. Use separate phones etc). Call me a psychopath but with great power comes great responsibility Tongue

4. Similar to point 1: Hold frame 24/7. Never apologise. Always tease your woman. Don't stress too much.

If you realistically are the best she can get, and you agree to make her your main woman, a little cheating here and there can and should be forgiven.

If you are discreet, and there is no overwhelming evidence against you (like all the stupid celebrities) then you will be fine.

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Women instinctively know (and every father should teach his daughter) that the joy of walking through an '''exciting''' man's front door every day, comes with the increased risk of catching some woman sneaking out the windows one day. Alternatively, there are millions of available & stable provider men, who would marry them and never cheat.
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I can count as evidence every girl in LTR that sucked my dick.
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^^^
Did they suck your dick because they had been cheated on? Would they have refrained from sucking your dick if they had not been cheated on? What is the size of your sample?
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(02-12-2019 02:03 AM)Montrose Wrote:  The oft-mentioned idea that if you cheat on your woman, then she is likely to cheat on you is pure magical thinking, backed by zero evidence, and shows little understanding of the female psyche. If you ask a sample of women ‘what would you do if your man cheated?’ NONE OF THEM will reply ‘I will cheat in return’. Women make these decisions based on their feelings, not on the validity of a contract or agreement with a man. If anything, as I have said elsewhere, my personal experience is that cheating on a woman makes her more amorous and LESS LIKELY to cheat.

Here's a true story.

After about a year of dating, my current GF found another girl's panties in the lowest drawer of my bedside table. I'd honestly forgotten they were there. They were from a South American girl who'd stayed with me for a week six months earlier. I obviously hadn't told her about that beautiful visitor.

She confronted me about it, starting to cry.

I sat back on the couch, arms spread out wide, body language calm. I told her the truth, "That was six months ago, and I haven't seen that girl since. I chose you instead."

She grew more hysterical, but I stayed calm. "Listen to me. I chose YOU. You are here right now. That other girl is long gone."

I kept that frame and refused to apologize. It took a couple days for her to return to normal, but she was okay after that. It took probably a week before sex returned. Today, a couple years later, she says things about me to her friends like, "He's 100% man". It's a backhanded compliment. Like she's resentful that I played it as well I did, that I refused to apologize, and that I manipulated her so that she feels okay about it.

Remember if you have high value, you can get away with this once. Will it work twice? Dunno. I probably wouldn't want to get caught a second time lol. But I will say that getting caught the first time was a net positive. It implanted a dread chip in the back of her head. She will always have the visceral memory of pulling open the drawer and seeing the panties and feeling the shock. Hell, I might've left the panties there subconsciously, wanting to be discovered. That's next-level game.

In terms of her cheating, Montrose is right. My own behavior has zero impact on her own behavior. In this case, GF doesn't have the player gene. I know her very well at this point. She's absurdly loyal to everyone and everything in her life, probably too much so.
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