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Converting Diesel Engines to Run on Vegetable Oil
Well, this is about saving money. The first time I've seen this was a while back on the discovery channel of how Palestinians were converting their diesel cars into biodiesel as it was a necessity fue to the limited resources they had. Anyhow it boggles my mind how the politicians are in bed with the oil lobby and nobody is making a fuss. How burning this is a violation of the clean air act. Are idiotic rules like this tey tipping point along with a bunch of others of the downfall of certain countries.


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While Lloyd may well be correct that increased production of biodiesel by DIYers could lead to "a lot of exploding garages and gummed up dead diesels along the side of the road," another option available to drivers of diesel cars may prove less frightening: using straight or waste vegetable oil. Before explaining the process, we should note that the US Environmental Protection Agency has declared the use of vegetable oil for motor fuel a violation of the Clean Air Act, and violators could be subject to a fine of $2750. If you're willing to take that risk, though, as the New York Times' Jim Norman did, you'll discover that using vegetable oil to power your diesel engine could result in significant cost savings and a lighter environmental footprint.Besides that little matter of legality, running a diesel car on vegetable oil requires fuel system modifications that run about $2000 for parts and labor, and different driving practices: a driver must purge the fuel lines of vegetable oil during the last moments of a trip to avoid congealing, that purge function can only be run for 20 seconds or so before diesel fuel will run back into the vegetable oil tank and possibly cause an overflow, and s/he must keep an extra vegetable oil filter on hand, as it requires changing as soon as its served its useful life. Still, Norman speaks glowingly about the experience of driving his "veggie powered" Volkswagen Jetta:

...after more than 2,000 miles on veggie oil, there seem to be few disadvantages to the transformation. My car seems to get slightly better mileage, it seems to run a little more quietly and it has just as much zip as it does on diesel. According to test results I’ve seen, vegetable oil burns somewhat cleaner in most categories than diesel fuel, and emits absolutely no sulfur. What a veggie car does emit is a smell faintly redolent of the kind of oil being burned — or, in the case of used oil, the scent of whatever it might have cooked previously.

Vegetable oil, of course, is a renewable resource that emits no more carbon dioxide than next year’s crop will absorb and requires no drilling for soybeans in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge or anywhere else. The environmentally aware will give you even more points in the game of green for using oil previously used for cooking.


http://youtu.be/QEX1YFXYTdI
Myth busters did another test on running an old Mercedes with no modifications to their car and it actually worked. They said you could put filtered vegetable oil straight into your gas tank. I am skeptical but watch the video.

Btw,,,,When Rudolph Diesel introduced his engine in 1900, at the World's Fair in Paris, it was running on peanut oil. Yes folks, peanut oil......Shortly after, the petroleum industry began cashing in on Diesel’s design by using a byproduct of petroleum distillation to power the engine. They called it diesel fuel.
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12-29-2014 12:07 PM
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Interesting it violates the Clean Air Act.

How does vegetable oil compare in price to diesel fuel? (Besides the basic inconvenience of not being able to pull into a station and fill up)

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Bit of a sensationalist article there from someone who clearly doesn't know one end of a spanner to the other. Couple of things:

1. Engine choice is very important. I don't know anyone using veg oil in a modern common rail diesel- instead, those users tend to actually convert the veg oil into proper biodiesel. On older cars, some run straight veg oil no problem. It's all to do with the type of injector pump used. Rough-as-a-badgers-arse rule of thumb: Bosch pump = good, Lucas pump = don't put veg oil anywhere near it. You don't really need to flush the system, and have a seperate diesel tank- an inline heater will often do the trick, or blending with normal diesel. Depends upon your climate.

2. In the UK at least, it's not worth doing. Whether converting oil (used or not), or running straight veg oil, the fact is that even at wholesale prices, veg oil is currently the same price as diesel. Used oil is collected by the oil company and then converted into bio-diesel with Government subsidies. A certain percentage of UK pump fuel must be from 'renewable sources'.

The days of free chip fat are long gone- restaurants now get charged if they don't return the used oil.

I can imagine veg oil might be cheaper in the states, but your diesel certainly is!

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(12-29-2014 12:23 PM)roberto Wrote:  2. In the UK at least, it's not worth doing. Whether converting oil (used or not), or running straight veg oil, the fact is that even at wholesale prices, veg oil is currently the same price as diesel. Used oil is collected by the oil company and then converted into bio-diesel with Government subsidies. A certain percentage of UK pump fuel must be from 'renewable sources'.

The days of free chip fat are long gone- restaurants now get charged if they don't return the used oil.

I can imagine veg oil might be cheaper in the states, but your diesel certainly is!

This was what I came to find out during my research into converting an old diesel engine on a bus. It simply isn't worth it unless you have access to the used oil. I have a buddy that owns a restaurant that I asked and he wouldn't give me any. No go, it all goes back to the company.

So in the US, it's not worth doing.

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Roberto,,,, I don't claim to know anything about this process. To make an impolite statement like that is out of line. I just was browsing on the net and found an interesting piece, thought would share and ADD info to the community. To add every single detail would be a waste of time. There are links and research it a bit more for those who as you in the UK say, fancy it.

As for it working, people are getting it done.
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(12-29-2014 12:40 PM)tomtud Wrote:  Roberto,,,, I don't claim to know anything about this process. To make an impolite statement like that is out of line. I just was browsing on the net and found an interesting piece, thought would share and ADD info to the community. To add every single detail would be a waste of time. There are links and research it a bit more for those who as you in the UK say, fancy it.

As for it working, people are getting it done.


Wasn't aimed in the slightest at you Tom. I said sensationalist article, not post.

You got a link to that article? I reckon it's gotta be at least five years old.

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NP Wink

Yeah it's a few years old. Found it as I was reading about the Tesla roadster upgrade to go 600 km on one charge. Just a matter of time when fossil fuels are obsolete by either new technologies or we run out of them.
12-29-2014 01:02 PM
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I didn't know it was illegal in the, US. When did that happen? I looked into this several years back and didn't see any laws on it.

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12-29-2014 01:03 PM
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Matt,,,,, http://pdcbank.state.nj.us/dep/stopthesoot/co.pdf

I am sure there are legal ways around this by buying a certified kit. Once again, the government has their hands in your pockets.
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I used to be apart of a classic VW diesel van club. A bunch of the guys converted their engines to waste veggie oil dual tank systems.

I loved how it smelled like a fast food shop when they drove in!
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