Post: #9726

Also, this shit does not work “consistently.”

Like for 2018, I got 8 notches, all from online. The breakdown? 6 of those 8 came from a two separate 5 week periods over the year.

Meaning, 75% of my notches came from only 20% of the year. That’s the Pareto principle!

I had a legit drought from like...May 10th-Nov 17th where I only banged this Mexican-American girl who was in NYC for a weekend. Found out after from her that she had a bf back home. Shocked me that someone with a low SMV like her has the gall to cheat on her man.

Post: #9727

(02-09-2019 01:19 PM)MaceTyrell Wrote:  I had a legit drought from like...May 10th-Nov 17th where I only banged this Mexican-American girl who was in NYC for a weekend. Found out after from her that she had a bf back home. Shocked me that someone with a low SMV like her has the gall to cheat on her man.

C'mon bro, you're not truly shocked are you!

WIA

Post: #9728

(02-09-2019 09:50 AM)Black Caesar Wrote:  If you want to get aggressively mediocre girls and in general stunt your Game growth I highly recommend Tinder.

There are exactly zero benefits to it compared to stepping to a girl in person.

In fact Real Life Game:

- costs less
- takes less time
- gets you better level chicks
- builds other skills you use in Life
- doesn't involve hoping a girl isn't 50 pounds heavier than her pictures

I'm still waiting for someone to show me how Apps have any positive benefits.

This hasn't been my experience. I'm an old fart for all practical purposes at the age of 39. I find tinder cost less, takes less time and it gets me different chicks(not necessarily better). Me going out night gaming is at minimum an $80 experience. That's fine I make good money and can afford it. Tinder plus is $100 for the year and i only use boost in a new city. In short, two night outings blow my yearly tinder costs out the water.

This was not always my experience on tinder. When i had mediocre pics I had mediocre results, but it still was a nice supplement.

Tinder girls are at the same point that IRL girls are with me now, if I get them to meet me the pussy is mine. I don't swipe on anything less than a 7, so I'm not getting fucked up matches and bitches hiding weight. I'm getting the best of the best a lot of the time. Tinder is how I was able to connect with a Playboy bunny from the Czech Republic while I was at Art Basel. I have the pics to prove it.

A week on tinder in the right city can get me pussy opportunities that would cost me a lot of sleep and $300-$400 using night game. I can't really day game because of work and I have a kid and train in boxing so that occupies my weekends.

Post: #9729

Lol of course not.

I hit her up with a “I don’t know why, but I find that hilarious” after she told me.

Post: #9730

I think it's unrealistic to even expect monogamy these days. It's more of an exception than the norm.

Post: #9731

Tinder was solid for me til about 2017. Used it on and off and had some 1500 matches on my best account, primarily swiping in LA/NYC. Back in the day, I could go on a date or two a night, but admittedly not everyone was of quality. But when I hit 30 Tinder dried up on me. Educated attractive black women are my biggest hit on that app now, but many are too relationship-minded for my liking.

I'm now 31 and mostly use Hinge, again mostly in LA/NYC. In NYC, I've gotten a lot of 7-8HB white girl dates from it. A legit model once too. Doesn't seem to be quite as solid in L.A., but I do fine. Averaging about 4-6 dates a month from it. My best match of the year completely ghosted our plans yesterday, which'll happen. I'm shifting back to doing nightgame 1-2 times a week now.

Post: #9732

(02-09-2019 10:22 AM)MaceTyrell Wrote:  I feel like I say this on this board once a week.

If you are black and want to get better at Tinder, consult Sourcecode’s Tinder datasheet.

When you get a date, consult Tuthmosis’ 0 Date Bang thread.

do you have a link to this please?

I've been looking for a while and cannot find this data sheet you speak of.

Post: #9733

I keep hearing good things about Hinge, but I’d like to actually get an IRL notch or 5 before I jump on that platform. February 2017 was the last month my IRL efforts got me a notch. I have still been trying IRL, but the online abundance mentality is real.

Post: #9734

ditch the online, you're missing out on so much valuable sensory data that you just cant get via IM. Body language, eye movements, body positioning. I usually like to feel in control and you're a lot more in control in person than online.

Post: #9735

Why are you spending $80 to go out?

Now you can spend hours swiping and chatting girls on the app and pay ($$$) and who knows how much time you spend to get a number and get her out.

In person I can go to a club ($0) talk to chicks for a few hours and dance and have fun ($0) and then cop her digits and set up our next date face to face. Walk away from the night with 5-10 numbers by going hard at a big club or by bouncing spots.

Who is getting 5-10 numbers off apps a day? Or even a week?

Then you still can't be sure the girls is fine till you see her in person.

And by the way going out doesn't mean hitting the club till 6. You can also cop digits at the after work happy hour or on your lunch break or at the cofffee shop.

If you are getting results online it means you have decent text and mid-end Game. Which means that if you learn basic approach skills and go outside you will get way better quality and quantity.

That's the main reason I say go out.

Post: #9736

I agree with Black Caesar. I don't spend $80 to go out. For what? All I'm paying for is the venue entrance fee. I may or may not buy a drink to sit in my hand the night, I'm not out there to get plastered, I'm out there to scan. As I continue to socialise, I tend to meet more and more people who can invite me to different events. House parties, American football Sundays, I even went to some sort of 'Truth or Dare' meet and greet at some lizard's house. The place was teeming with lizards almost gagging to fcuk, I snared a few (which I closed later) and got the numbers of others.
Basically, I go to a lot of BYOB (Bring your own booze) events.

Cost for that 'Truth or Dare' event = $0

Post: #9737

(02-10-2019 04:58 PM)Moma Wrote:  I agree with Black Caesar. I don't spend $80 to go out. For what? All I'm paying for is the venue entrance fee. I may or may not buy a drink to sit in my hand the night, I'm not out there to get plastered, I'm out there to scan. As I continue to socialise, I tend to meet more and more people who can invite me to different events. House parties, American football Sundays, I even went to some sort of 'Truth or Dare' meet and greet at some lizard's house. The place was teeming with lizards almost gagging to fcuk, I snared a few (which I closed later) and got the numbers of others.
Basically, I go to a lot of BYOB (Bring your own booze) events.

Cost for that 'Truth or Dare' event = $0

Look everyone, night "game" can be used as a pipeline for building social circle, instead of just SNLs.

Distant Light was ahead of his time.

Post: #9738

Back in the day (I was in my late 20's), I went to this Hotel party for bourgeois black folks.

Jeans, dress shirt, church shoes or whatever. Dress code, I looked like most other dudes there.
So because I'm black and hyper aware of how businesses charge us/people treat us I'm peeping game.

Black dude @ the door is taking money
- some bourgie black chicks - free
- dude in front of me - 5 bucks
- me - $20

Ol boy told me everything I needed to know about that spot.

I was mad as hell. Swerving mad hard in the Honda Civic, lol.
But looking back on it, that dude did me a favor.

I would later find out that I hate those type of parties full of HBCU/Jack and Jill/Boule/"Where do you work" type parties. If a chick says something to me about her "line sister", she already gets moved to jump off status only.

So fuck cover charges, but I understand.

WIA

Post: #9739

WIA, I'm digging up an old post of yours, so much wisdom here but I would ask for further clarification:

Had a date with a girl in the b) category. Muslim traditional girl, though how strict she sticks to the book could be just a façade. One of the best dates I had, chick came out dolled up easily a 9 from afar and is very pleasant. Almost too pleasant. I did everything you said below, except I substitute the ice creams with drinks.

She would let me escalate physically, brushing her thighs, playing with her hair, holding her hands, kissing her face, but I could not get to the kiss. Chick even went back to my place, still no squeeze. Had to go because her aunt would flay her alive if she aint back in time.

My question here is, in the case of very conservative/rigid girl, how do you tell if she likes you and that you're on the right track?

First off, there's the fact that she went out with you. This girl has never gone out at night with a man before (I screened, don't think she is lying)

Secondly, she let you escalate (to an extent, can't kiss close). But I've seen lotta cases where the chicks are uncomfortable and still let you escalate because she doesn't know how to say no.

I find it hard to calibrate here since I have zero feedback from her other than her blocking the kiss.

If you push more, you risk scaring the cat, especially if she is religiously serious about that kind of thing.

If you don't push enough, well that's anti-game. In my world you are never guarantee a second date. I'm no fool, this chick just put herself on the market. If I dont swoop her some blokes will.
That, and no bitch ever come into a homie's bedroom without expecting something to happen. So that means I did fuck up by not pushing enough?

Quote:2) Unthawing a frigid chick

a) sometimes it's not possible
b) she might be a Jesus freak or a virgin or a Muslim
c) she may open up after the first lay, she may not
d) some chicks will give you the sex, but not open up to you sexually. They just feel obligated to open their legs for you.

But with that said, if you're just getting into a chick, the keys that i've found

- she feels your physicality and strength.

You break the touch barrier asap as part of your first kino moves.

But she feels your physical strength as the night goes on, either by picking her up, dancing with her, leading through a crowd, letting her hold on to your bicep.

- you're also peppering her from the start with your attraction stuff.

My personal style is to talk on two levels. One is surface, the other is deep/subconscious. And I don't mean stupid double entendres or "that's what she said" type bs.

Consider a standard pg date, a trip to the Gelato spot.

After the touch barrier has been broken, maybe we've gotten to the point where she laughs and punches me in the arm, we get some scoops.

Bitches ALWAYS want to eat something off your plate. The shit will never end. Perhaps it sets a precedent for the rest of your relationship, but keep that in mind.

Now say she gets her boring ass dark chocolate or lame ass vanilla. You get some exotic shit, like Olive Oil or lavender or mango habanero sorbet.

Before I taste mine, (usually these bitches are slurping down on they shit as soon as they get it in their hands),

I look her dead in the eye, and say "Open".
Then I stick my sweetness into her mouth and let her savor it.

This is in the final stages before bedding a chick, but from here, you're aiming to get her to do things with her body at your command.

In the car, "Lean back"
Walking through the crowds,"hold on to me"
*smooth out her blouse, brushing her tits*
*put your hand in the small of her back and guide her when needed*
*put her feet up on your knees when you're sitting down*

^I treat chicks like i've been fucking em. Like that shit is a foregone conclusion. People from a distance see us as a couple already.

So by the time you're back at your crib, as she walks through the door, "take off your shoes.."

So the overall idea is that she's aware of your physical strength, and she's okay with you commanding her to do things.

Post: #9740

I have been spending a little too much on going out these past few days.

I will drop cash to see a good DJ and party favors, though.

Post: #9741

how do you respond to , what are you after on here , on dating sites ?

Post: #9742

(02-11-2019 09:03 AM)king87 Wrote:  how do you respond to , what are you after on here , on dating sites ?

I don't run into that question because I don't do online dating as a habit.

But it's a double bind type question, and she's expecting a typical male answer

"I'm just trying to see what's out there, nothing serious"...

Every guy thinks he's clever, yet he's saying basically the same thing every other guy says.

Now, when I get that question in real life, not via text/messaging - I go all out.

1) "I'm glad that we're on the same page, I'm so tired of all of the meaningless sex. I'm not just a piece of meat. So I was thinking we'd get married in the Fall...."

2) "Well obviously, I'm talking to you now because we need to name our 3 future daughters RIGHT NOW. I'm thinking of Keisha, Nakeisha, and Takeisha, but I'm open to suggestions. I'll have to quit my job to be a house husband, but I know you won't have a problem with that...

From there I go to some very elaborate and serious plans about marriage and children - to such an extent that the girl is laughing at how ludicrous it sounds.

I take whatever the girl gives me, and make it into something fun. But I sure as fuck don't take her seriously.

She's trying to get you to jump through her hoop of compliance, but you have to basically treat it as a shit test.

- Agree and Amplify
- Misinterpret
- Reframe
- Insinuate

Etc.

Most guys have a problem in that they take what a woman wants very seriously.

If you start like that, she has the upper hand in the relationship, because she will always go back to that original pattern.

WIA

Post: #9743

(02-10-2019 04:28 PM)Black Caesar Wrote:  Why are you spending $80 to go out?

I live in an expensive ass city where even a jack and coke at a dive bar is gonna run you $11. I generally valet when i can because parking is a bitch so that's $23 with tip. I don't do clubs so much as high end lounges, restaurants and hotel bars. That's where I seem to find the more attractive women that are into to my particular look. As you can imagine drinks at these places are $15 a pop. I'll still go to a club on a occasion, particularly when im out of town, but it's not preferred place for pick up.

Now you can spend hours swiping and chatting girls on the app and pay ($$$) and who knows how much time you spend to get a number and get her out.

Again, the time investment is really nominal considering i only use it when im pretty much dormant ie commuting, channel surfing, taking a shit...etc. The biggest with time is when you are somewhere a short amount of time and you are trying to convert multiple chicks. That's truly a pain in the ass, but that would case if I met these chicks IRL


In person I can go to a club ($0) talk to chicks for a few hours and dance and have fun ($0) and then cop her digits and set up our next date face to face. Walk away from the night with 5-10 numbers by going hard at a big club or by bouncing spots.

Who is getting 5-10 numbers off apps a day? Or even a week?

I am, easy. Not trying to brag but it's true

Then you still can't be sure the girls is fine till you see her in person.

I can't really rebut this, but I will say I only swipe on chicks who are clearly attractive, not bottom feeders. I haven't had a lot of issues dealing with chicks misrepresenting themselves for about 2 years.

And by the way going out doesn't mean hitting the club till 6. You can also cop digits at the after work happy hour or on your lunch break or at the cofffee shop.

If you are getting results online it means you have decent text and mid-end Game. Which means that if you learn basic approach skills and go outside you will get way better quality and quantity.

That's the main reason I say go out.

Post: #9744

Yeah the whole the girl is gonna be fat/ugly in person is overstated. I mean, unless you use POF like it's 2009 and the girls aren't good to begin with. But on Tinder/Hinge/Bumble, I simply don't swipe on any girl who's questionable (only face photos etc). I also do my research. Hinge in particular is good because there's a first and last name attached so you can find current pics on social media.

Post: #9745

I’ve talked about this before. If you add things into your normal schedule that will create opportunities in meeting women then you won’t drop extra cash just to put yourself in a position to meet a woman at a club. Invest in yourself and not only will you improve your health, cash flow, style, social circle but you will also meet new women that you would not otherwise. Volunteering with animals, yoga/Pilates, taking a language course at a community college, walking a dog from the human society, etc will do you good.

I’ll tell you what! I have no shame at all. Best believe I’ve visited many churches around Oakland just so I can scope out some young single females.

Post: #9746

Bruuuuh, I’m so glad you touched on this whole HCBU Greek life BS. Folks ask me all the time if I’m involved with that shit because of my professional and educational achievements, like it’s the only way to be a successful black person. Hell I barely got into community college back in the day and remember beating down a few of those gold boot dudes coming into our local discotheque trying to run shit, lol. (No shade if some of y’all are greeks)
But You are so right about that line sister, Soror shit who immediately disqualify themselves. I’ve never had a good experience with them and therefore feel the same way. It’s like the have unrealistic unreasonable unreciprocal expectations brainwashed into their heads

Post: #9747

(02-11-2019 11:10 PM)DimeBait Wrote:  Bruuuuh, I’m so glad you touched on this whole HCBU Greek life BS. Folks ask me all the time if I’m involved with that shit because of my professional and educational achievements, like it’s the only way to be a successful black person. Hell I barely got into community college back in the day and remember beating down a few of those gold boot dudes coming into our local discotheque trying to run shit, lol. (No shade if some of y’all are greeks)
But You are so right about that line sister, Soror shit who immediately disqualify themselves. I’ve never had a good experience with them and therefore feel the same way. It’s like the have unrealistic unreasonable unreciprocal expectations brainwashed into their heads

Middle Class Gang Colors.

It's elitism, and I generally despise it.

WIA

Post: #9748

Rank the following in difficulty for yourself, and for a beginner

1. Night Game, Cold Approach, Same Night Loving
2. Night Game, Cold Approach, That Leads to a Date
3. Day Game, Cold Approach, Same Day Loving
4. Day Game, Cold Approach, That Leads to a Date
5. Weak Ties Social Circle (Think meet up, gym), Warm Approach, to SNL/SDL
6. Online Dating that leads to a First Meet loving
7. Online Dating that leads to a Date

For me

Easiest - Night game to Date, Night Game to Same Night Loving
Next easiest - Weak Ties Social Circle
Harder - day game to date
Hardest - day game to same day loving

Not enough data on the online stuff.

I'd say for beginners?
Online stuff
Day Game Stuff
Social Circle Stuff
Night Game stuff

What's your take?

WIA

Post: #9749

Easiest to hardest

Night -> Date
Day -> Date
Social Circle -> Date
Night -> Same Night
Day -> Date -> Same Day

Getting dates is generally easy (day or night), and I do well on Day 2s so a lot of those convert.

Same Night is not crazy hard depending on where you go and who is there and your logistics. Never got a girl Same Day from the day time without doing some kind of "date" in between (coffee, drinks, dinner later in the day, etc.)

Don't do online anymore. When I did it was easy because it's just sending the same message to everyone and then if they respond it's number and set up date (like 3-4 messages tops before a meet was how I ran it).


For beginners starting at Zero, night > day > same night > same day > social circle.

Online doesn't count because if you're a beginner it is just a crutch and you can get girls to come over with just some basic photos and words but don't consider it Game.

Night is usually easier for them because less social stigma and alcohol. Day time has more social stigma but isn't as heavy with "oh she's gonna reject me in front of 20 people at the club." So usually those will be easier for a beginner. Social Circle is hard for beginner because they already seen you as a scrub so you're really working uphill.

For beginner to actually practicing Game but who already had some level of Game. Night is prolly where they were already used to so that will be easier and then un-learning bad habits and learning better ones will bring the other areas up.

If you want to Get Good really fast then you need to do Night regularly (2-3 times a week MINIMUM ideally also on off days when you can) and also work Day time stuff into your daily routine.

At a certain level it is about pattern recognition and knowing how to respond in the basic situations you see over and over again.

Post: #9750

(02-12-2019 07:24 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  Rank the following in difficulty for yourself, and for a beginner

1. Night Game, Cold Approach, Same Night Loving
2. Night Game, Cold Approach, That Leads to a Date
3. Day Game, Cold Approach, Same Day Loving
4. Day Game, Cold Approach, That Leads to a Date
5. Weak Ties Social Circle (Think meet up, gym), Warm Approach, to SNL/SDL
6. Online Dating that leads to a First Meet loving
7. Online Dating that leads to a Date

It seems impossible these days to turn Nightgame phone numbers (anything past 11 P.M.) into dates. I haven't found the right formula. Numbers flake all the time.