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(02-15-2015 12:12 PM)The Reactionary Tree Wrote:  But instead AVfM wants to attack MGTOWs, PUAs, Jack Donovan, conservatives/Republicans, Bernard Chapin. They want to call themselves the Men's Human Rights Movement. They pride themselves in being about "equality." They want to showcase how not misogynistic they are by parading around women like the Honey Badger Radio chicks or Janet 'Judgy Bitch' Bloomfield. They want to create government working groups for men's issues. Also, Paul Elam is kind of a headcase.

They're doing a terrible job to say the least and the fact that the mainstream MRA bashing is failing should be a sign that if they got their shit together and concentrated on the most important issues, they could actually be effective. Heck, what Republican Congressman wouldn't be for salvaging the institution of marriage? They all would sign up to help stop the divorce rape if it meant it could strengthen marriage. You could get all the GOP on board and all those Bible-thumping Evangelicals on board. That is a force to be reckoned with.

Correct - MRAs are around for almost a century now as some groups have started fighting against some changes in the 1920s.

Elam attacks pretty much everyone in the 'sphere except for the some MGTOWs. If I was doing it, I would pull in everyone who is Red Pill - even the PUAHATE incels.

But I don't think that the GOP wold do ANYTHING - the left/right dichotomy is almost only for show. You have some minor more or less cosmetic changes with each party, but the big agendas go forward without change. The bible-thumping Christians are so much infiltrated by the Council of Churches that they essentially teach feminism light. You just have to check out Dalrock's blog to get the full picture.

Destruction of the family is the goal of both party heads - most politicians as well as the president are just golf-playing, model-escort-smashing, cocaine-snorting, money-grabbing assholes. The few who are not, still have to tow the party line, so they talk the talk, but then don't walk the walk.

I even doubt if smart MRAs could change things. How many conscious Red Pill men are out there? And I mean conscious - not the Naturals & the masculine men who are essentially Red Pill, but still have no conscious clue about women. 1-2% according to my estimates might make the cut, much less the Game aware ones. And even if the numbers are 5% - what are the MRAs gonna do? Get a dollar from each Red Pill man per month and blast the money-power agenda? If such an organisation ever becomes really effective, then it is subverted within a very short time by people who have infinite pockets. In the worst case someone has an accident or commits suicide under strange circumstances.

This crap won't go further than in the 1920s:

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The system is so afraid of the MRM. Expect these sorts of attacks to continue
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I would enjoy a Mark Minter joke.
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(02-15-2015 02:40 AM)Matt Forney Wrote:  Parallel to Tuthmosis' main point (which I agree with, BTW) is something I think has gone almost entirely ignored: the creepy deference that Millennial women show to authority figures. (Or more accurately, the creepy deference that Millennials in general show to authority figures, but since the MSM caters to women, it's way more visible in their case.)

This is one of your best posts Matt. This should be copy/pasted for future reference in the behavior of young women today.

I've never understood the appeal of Parks and Recreation. I've seen maybe 5 episodes. I've never once laughed. I find the character "Ron" about as masculine as a tampon, and a patronizing and ineffective caricature of Libertarians. Everything I've heard from Nick Offerman in his standup routine and T.V. presence only confirms this thin persona of faux-masculinity.

The entire show reeks of blue-pill undertones and this episode only confirms that.

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(02-15-2015 12:12 PM)The Reactionary Tree Wrote:  I recall Lena Dunham did some MRA bashing on SNL when she hosted it. Similar to this situation, the jokes about men's rights are falling flat. Most women I talk to and tell them how I think the divorce courts are heavily slanted against men generally agree with that notion.

It could also be that most people do not have a clue what Men's Rights are.

MRAs generally have extremely shitty PR. The only notable MRA group is A Voice for Men and they are just not getting it done. It seems they are pandering to some of the loony redditor MRAs instead of standing for issues that are truly important.

Divorce Court, Child Custody, and Child Support reform would cause a significant change in gender relations. Even if it was something as simple as putting caps on the amount of money that men are forced to pay, that would literally be a life saver for millions of men out there.

But instead AVfM wants to attack MGTOWs, PUAs, Jack Donovan, conservatives/Republicans, Bernard Chapin. They want to call themselves the Men's Human Rights Movement. They pride themselves in being about "equality." They want to showcase how not misogynistic they are by parading around women like the Honey Badger Radio chicks or Janet 'Judgy Bitch' Bloomfield. They want to create government working groups for men's issues. Also, Paul Elam is kind of a headcase.

They're doing a terrible job to say the least and the fact that the mainstream MRA bashing is failing should be a sign that if they got their shit together and concentrated on the most important issues, they could actually be effective. Heck, what Republican Congressman wouldn't be for salvaging the institution of marriage? They all would sign up to help stop the divorce rape if it meant it could strengthen marriage. You could get all the GOP on board and all those Bible-thumping Evangelicals on board. That is a force to be reckoned with.

Save the fucking institution of marriage Paul. Quit pandering to your army of college-aged basement dwelling incels on r/mensrights.

Heck, you know what else they could do: form a pro-bono legal defense team that sues women for defamation of character for when they make false rape allegations. They aren't going to get fucking laws passed that support men so just sue the bitches. Maybe if enough women get sued for making false rape allegations then they will stop making them.

Is it possible that the MRM and MRA act the way they do because the US government system is completely rigged and broken? Owned by corporations and a plutocratic elite? Regulated capitalism warped into a regulated systematic rigging? Used to be a regular person could petition his govt. without ruining his livelihood in the process. Nowadays you must have lobbyist money to even put forth enough petitioning power. Thusly rigged for the rich and elite.

What that does is make smart, talented, and driven guys like us drop out of the processes and fights entirely. In a previous life many of us in the Manosphere (especially RVF) probably had the patriotism and mental drive to make it through a special forces tryout, minus the physical side of it.

So with your cream of the crop in terms of men, not willing to participate in the bullshit, all that is left is fringe and idiots. They do not have the background, the class, the temperament, patience, nor work ethic to work through the channels properly. Since most men know that true MRM/MRA would never work, only the chaff is left to fight on our behalf.

All of that could change in minutes if the right person probably snatched the podium from AVfM/Elam/etc. and brought their own financial weight, tasteful rhetoric, and proper lobbying muscle with them. Would they get anything done? Only if they were a plutocrat as well, but I doubt that for obvious reasons.

They will never get "bible thumping" Evangelicals to join them, because 90% of them don't read their Bibles in the first place. Nearly all of their churches are feminist central with female pastors, hipster Bible translations on mega-screens, feel good motivational sermons, prosperity gospel, refusal to shame or point out terrible behavior, women coming to church in miniskirts and nightclub outfits, complete with a team of pastors that sweat while telling a wife joke in the pulpit. If they cannot tell their own women not to come into the Lord's House with enough clothing, they are not telling the US govt, or feminist trash anything publicly. You are talking about a church who's leaders are money hungry feminists like Rick Warren, Joyce Meyer, or crazy like Creflo Dollar. Their credibility is incredibly thin with any traditional Christian.

If Presbyterians, Jehovah's Witnesses, Southern Baptists, Mormons and other similar types were not so crazy, outright or subversively racist, exclusive/cliquish, or perverse of their interpretations of the Bible they would make excellent allies. Jehovahs Witnesses for example number in the millions, but they are not allowed to even vote! So what difference would it make? None. Politicians on both sides know to ignore them and the feeling is mutual.

In short, there is no one for the MRM/MRA guys to ally with other than just plain ol red pill people like Zelscorpion kind of alluded to in an above post.

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I do think we are seeing, here and there, some hazy beginnings of pushback against the excesses that feminism has produced. So I'm cautiously optimistic. How far it will go is anyone's guess.

The very fact that this TV show felt compelled to acknowledge the existence of the "MRA movement" (if only to attack it) shows that dangerous ideas from the "fringe" are starting to make cracks in the edifice.

I also don't think we should have any illusions on how we're perceived by the public, either. Whether we like it or not, the media considers any man who is militantly anti-feminist (as we all are) to be a "men's rights activist."

It's idiotic, but they just lump all male anti-feminists in that identical category. They can't--or won't--acknowledge that there are different types of masculist groups out there.

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(02-15-2015 02:40 AM)Matt Forney Wrote:  Parallel to Tuthmosis' main point (which I agree with, BTW) is something I think has gone almost entirely ignored: the creepy deference that Millennial women show to authority figures. (Or more accurately, the creepy deference that Millennials in general show to authority figures, but since the MSM caters to women, it's way more visible in their case.)

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I find this really disturbing, and it has all kinds of sick implications down the line. It's this kind of herd mentality among a population that breeds your Hitlers, Stalins and Pol Pots. Girls who can be programmed this easily---indeed, seek out said programming and can't live without it---are the soil in which tyranny grows.

I offered two warnings last year:

The first was the coming New Puritanism - the rise of jaded sex negativity within the Millennial Generation, with the rise of a Cult of Sensibility a warped conception of Modesty returning via demonising makeup and photoshop fakery.

Even though I was expecting it, I was still shocked at the accelerated timeline of events that has lead the Rape Crisis Moral Panic blowback of last year forcing a shifting of the campus feminist narrative for the first month of this year into being the straight-faced suggestion of reintroducing Chaperoning. There's enough individual stories for this to be a forced, deliberate narrative from the Sisterhood, but I still find it ironic that they accuse us of wanting things to return to the 1950's.

The second warning was The Rising Fascism, with what I called The Degenerate Triad shaping Millennial Thought: emotionalism, irrationalism and symbolism.

Women are born fascists, because they already possess the first two qualities: everything is filtered through an emotional framework via female solipsism; and they have an innate capacity to discard logic to favour self-flattering doublethink. This is why they have a natural tendency to thrill in petty authoritarianism, whether they be bossing other children around in schoolyard games with cries that things need to 'be fair'; reinforcing acceptable behaviour to teenage peers via slut-shaming; running a church association with an iron fist; or thrilling in the petty power of government middle-management.

This is why you don't need to look for Stormfront Nazi Boogeymen to understand the cold, inhuman nature of authoritarian evil, when you can instead just listen to the rationalisations of your average 40-something female juvenile social worker for leaving a child in continued danger because she really wants to get back to the office in time for morning tea, since Janelle, the Office Feeder, has promised to bring in something homemade that involves a lot of life disappointment-numbing sugar and butter.

The third part - Symbolism - comes into play via education and peer group osmosis. This is the process of reducing a complex, complicated idea to one simple thing, requiring no further critical thought. It's beloved in Identity Politics: 'Cis', 'Micro-aggressions', 'WhiteMale', 'MRA', 'Privilege', 'Rape Culture', etc. It's to be accepted as both fact and faith, not challenged or explored.

It also works for to offer unintrospective, uncritical thinkers a self-identity, which is why Tumblr profiles read like laundry lists of combined personas. They seek the comfort of non-thought: "I am X so I believe Y", which is why they are so quick to anger at anyone who confuses their identity. A person who says "I am X but don't believe Y" is complicating, not reducing, so they must be accused of not being X via the usual shaming tactics: internalised self-hatred, 'Uncle Tom'.

The main usage is to quickly stereotype and dehumanise others into an outgroup: all that this article is about. She is telling you that MRA's are just something you laugh at and dismiss, so any time the topic comes up in future, complex discussion can be avoided and handwaved away, so you don't risk losing an argument and being made to look wrong.

You can see this at play in this Anti-Gamergate Cartoon, which is some beautiful, unintentional propaganda based upon Symbolism and showing the desired identity to be adopted.

[Image: AhmzZDT.png]

Contrast with this:

[Image: Nazi-hate-propaganda.jpg]

The 'Gamer' cartoon has made me consider there's a fourth aspect of degenerate thinking that shapes fascist thinking. If fascism can be defined as 'radical authoritarian nationalism', the growing Millennial SJW drones more than covers the first two aspects, but I've slowly been realising that although they despise their own countries, they are nationalists: they're fiercely loyal to the Imaginary Utopia they're naïve enough to think will instantly-eventuate and permanently-endure once all societal evils are cured.

The 'Culture Wars' we're currently seeing play out are simply Utopian Nationalists practising Cultural Imperialism, which is why they love gentrifying inner-city areas and driving out the original inhabitants via economic and social sanctions until everything conforms to their boring, sterile desire for Apple products, coffee shops, used vinyl and retro furniture. Of course, they'd never consider that driving all the aboriginals out of somewhere like Redfern is Imperialism, so now the acceptable vox-poppable face of the suburb isn't black, but a gay man grinning like a infantile simp. They'd just label it 'progress'. Which, strangely-enough, is what the 'evil' Imperialists used to label it, because upper class twits always thought they knew what was best for everyone who wasn't them back then too.

So, they can make Thor a woman in the name of Imperialism, and act like it's some major victory for progressiveness, whereas I just see it as this, and remember I was smart enough to know when I was being patronised back then too:

[Image: archie-spire-1.jpg?w=490&h=466]

Anyway Matt, your observation is spot on: welcome to the age of i-MacCarthyism, a generation socially-awkward enough to only be Passive-Aggressive Fascists, which means I find them more laughable than truly threatening, and when the inevitable Muslim Tide offers them three chances to repent, they'll cave on the first one. Which at least will mean the end of Female Typists queefing their ugliness-caused frustration in the mass media and put an end to the Deification of Beyoncé. I'm starting to think it would be an acceptable trade-off.
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Out of curiosity, did anybody, whether on this forum or the original writer of the MTV article, actually watch the specific Parks and Recreation episode before commenting on it? Yes, the episode did have Leslie dismiss the MRAs because they were being absurd, but the episode also showed a feminist group being absurd. The whole point was that both groups were putting Leslie into a comedic no-win situation. The episode revolved around Ben, Leslie's husband, running for Congress and originally deciding to skip a traditional pie-baking contest where candidates' wives always participate. This set off a political debate on gender roles, with both feminists and MRAs showing up to protest something. Since Leslie tries to please everybody, whenever she tried to appease one group, the other one found fault with it. This is what led to her frustration and lashing out at the MRA group.

So this episode was not propaganda against MRAs or feminists. It was simply part of a joke set up to showcase the absurdity of the people and politics that have been a staple of Parks and Recreation for 7 seasons.

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The worst part about this and all the other weird comedy shows that have been running for the past couple of years is that apart from the fact that most people have stopped reading entirely, they spend most of their free time just watching all this shit!

After spending all their time watching these type of shows and movies, their behavior is affected and the way they talk, act and jokes that they crack all revolve around these tv shows. I don't like 75% of the people I meet because of this. Saddest thing is I don't even live in the US.
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Damn, I'm glad to see AnonymousBosch is back. I was afraid he had melted away...

Good to see you, mate.

[Thread derailment: By the way, Bosch, I saw a good Australian movie over the weekend: "The Rover" with Guy Pearce (2014). Depressing but great].

All right, carry on.

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Im reading Bosch's post and
Mindblown

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(02-16-2015 10:53 PM)Shrodax Wrote:  Out of curiosity, did anybody, whether on this forum or the original writer of the MTV article, actually watch the specific Parks and Recreation episode before commenting on it? Yes, the episode did have Leslie dismiss the MRAs because they were being absurd, but the episode also showed a feminist group being absurd. The whole point was that both groups were putting Leslie into a comedic no-win situation. The episode revolved around Ben, Leslie's husband, running for Congress and originally deciding to skip a traditional pie-baking contest where candidates' wives always participate. This set off a political debate on gender roles, with both feminists and MRAs showing up to protest something. Since Leslie tries to please everybody, whenever she tried to appease one group, the other one found fault with it. This is what led to her frustration and lashing out at the MRA group.

So this episode was not propaganda against MRAs or feminists. It was simply part of a joke set up to showcase the absurdity of the people and politics that have been a staple of Parks and Recreation for 7 seasons.

I cannot really believe what I am reading here. Is anyone so brainwashed to not understand how modern propaganda is created?

The "sound" viewpoint that the viewer is to have is the one the main hero has - meaning the politician Wyatt and public servant Leslie Knopes.

While she is attacked by radical feminists at the same time as MRAs - who are by the way played by a male feminist - Chris Gethard - this is how the demonstration looks like with the feminists on the left and the MRAs on the right:

   


So the radical feminists who criticize Leslie because she intended to take part in a wife-baking-pie competition to support her politician of a husband as all wives of politicians join. Leslie describes the baking pie competition as a "loss for all women" - that is literally the moderate opinion.
Then in the end her husband/the politician decides to bake a pie/sweet calzone himself to show that gender stereotypes have no meaning! I repeat - that is the moderate opinion.

During the TV discussion they invite the fake MRA group which talks crazy stuff like men being oppressed without any rational statements whatsoever. You have even women against feminism there, but they don't talk except for agreeing with the MRAs. Then you have some traditional GOP Christian group which state some fake "traditional values" crap and also the radical feminists who are portrayed in a more or less rational looking, business-like manner.

During the demonstration you have the MRA guy scream: "Let Ben talk!" after he talked already - now who is supposed to look like the butt-joke here?

   

And to top it all off in the end politician Ben is presented with the (Male) Feminist of the Year award or something like that for support of his "empowered" wife and for him baking the pie himself. The main hero Leslie I might add always wanted to get that award herself, so that should tell you something.

One of the key-stones of propaganda is the hegelian dialectic - you present extreme points to the public, but arrive exactly where you want the sheep to go. Leslie Knopes is the exact viewpoint they wanted the public to have - feminists - even radical ones are benign, MRAs are ridiculous and stupid, MRAs are not even a thing, MRAs stand for #HeForHe and being a male feminist and gender-stereotype bashing man is cool and hip.

But I guess the propaganda is well-made if even men around here CANNOT recognize it as such!

In just a basic comedic fashion they discarded MRAs, Women against Feminism as unnecessary idiots & they barely put radical feminists into a bad light, because they accepted their prize in the end. Thus the main viewpoint is solidly feminist until in 20 years ago the radical one will be mainstream.

We are fucked if even Red Pill men cannot recognize that as blatant propaganda!
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(02-17-2015 06:16 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  ...
In just a basic comedic fashion they discarded MRAs, Women against Feminism as unnecessary idiots & they barely put radical feminists into a bad light, because they accepted their prize in the end. Thus the main viewpoint is solidly feminist until in 20 years ago the radical one will be mainstream.

We are fucked if even Red Pill men cannot recognize that as blatant propaganda!

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Zelecorpion that's a pretty good takedown. You should post it up on the ROK and go further with an explanation on this hegelian dialectic.
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(02-17-2015 06:16 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  I cannot really believe what I am reading here. Is anyone so brainwashed to not understand how modern propaganda is created?

But I guess the propaganda is well-made if even men around her CANNOT recognize it as such!

We are fucked if even Red Pill men cannot recognize that as blatant propaganda!

What "men"? I see one poster (with less than 100 posts) saying that particular episode was not propaganda. No one disagrees that what you just posted (for the first time in this thread) is propaganda.

My and others' post referred to the series as a whole.

I even specifically said I hadn't seen the two newer seasons and welcomed you to challenge any of my points without completely making things up to support your own.

You chose to change the subject, and now you've changed the subject yet again in an attempt to discredit these "men" (plural) who have disagreed with you.

What you're doing is propaganda.

State your facts and quit with all the emotionally charged language and shaming.
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(02-17-2015 07:17 AM)Enigma Wrote:  ....
What you're doing is propaganda.

State your facts and quit with all the emotionally charged language and shaming.

I referenced that guy because he addressed this one episode.

But the whole series has the same kind of propaganda interlaced in it. I won't go into each and every episode and use screenshots for why it works.

Leslie Knopes is NOT the butt-joke of the show. This not propaganda on my part, but an opinion on my side - and a well-founded one I think.

If you differ on that - so be it, who cares? I think the whole show is blatant propaganda from top to bottom. And so is the new Amy Schumer funny-slut pic. It seemingly shows a girl slutting around and makes fun of her. But the reality is that it's normalization of such behavior.

And I still claim, that it is a sad day if Red Pill men cannot recognize feminist propaganda only because it is clad in smarter hegelian dialectic. Leslie Knopes - an ardent feminist being made fun of slightly, while she in the end is the one who achieves all goals, saves the financial future of the town, creates the park, gets all jobs done, is promoted non-stop. She is supposed to be the butt-joke of the show surrounded by competent men? Sure.....

And I don't care enough to debate extensively with you on that tiny point in TV history. Just don't take it personally, because I differ with people I love in my personal life - doesn't mean that I have to declare WWIII and debate someone to death.
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(02-17-2015 07:59 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  I referenced that guy because he addressed this one episode.

But the whole series has the same kind of propaganda interlaced in it. I won't go into each and every episode and use screenshots for why it works.

The things that you said about the series as a whole were blatantly untrue, as pointed about by both Deluge and myself.

If you don't want to back up your points, fine, but you're the one who quoted my post about the early seasons in the first place.

Quote:Leslie Knopes is NOT the butt-joke of the show. This not propaganda on my part, but an opinion on my side - and a well-founded one I think.

I think you mean "butt of the joke"? She clearly is in the early seasons.

She always fails and is bailed out by Ron or Mark, then Ann, then eventually Chris and Ben.

She behaves like a child and has to ask Ron for permission for all her bigger projects because he is her boss. Anytime she goes against Ron, it is eventually shown that he was right all along.

The entire reason that Chris and Ben come to their town is to fix their budget. This is something they have made a career out of, and they're both shown as extremely competent at their jobs. Leslie and Ben butt heads constantly early on as she tries to break the budget on wasteful projects.

When they stay in the town, Chris is made City Manager, a position far above Leslie, and Ben is just below him, also well above Leslie. Despite Leslie having worked there for much longer.

At that point, Chris is everyone's boss and regularly shown as the voice of reason for contentious issues.

Ben is constantly approached about high profile jobs, including campaign manager for a high profile congressman. The only reason Leslie even begins to advance in her career is because he later becomes her manager and acts as a control on her outrageous behavior.

Quote:If you differ on that - so be it, who cares? I think the whole show is blatant propaganda from top to bottom. And so is the new Amy Schumer funny-slut pic. It seemingly shows a girl slutting around and makes fun of her. But the reality is that it's normalization of such behavior.

Okay, Amy Schumer has nothing to do with this.

Quote:And I still claim, that it is a sad day if Red Pill men cannot recognize feminist propaganda only because it is clad in smarter hegelian dialectic. Leslie Knopes - an ardent feminist being made fun of slightly, while she in the end is the one who achieves all goals, saves the financial future of the town, creates the park, gets all jobs done, is promoted non-stop.

The park's construction was a disaster. Chris and Ben save the town financially, which I mentioned above. At the point they join the cast, Pawnee's government had completely depleted it's entire budget and even has to shut down temporarily.

She is promoted because Ben becomes her campaign manager. Before that, she is forced to step down from the highest position she achieves on her own because she fucks up so badly. I think she also blows another election with something stupid and gets blown out in another?

Ron, Chris, and Ben are all Leslie's boss at one point and all have much higher advancement opportunities, as shown throughout the show. They simply don't have the same political ambitions she does.

Quote:She is supposed to be the butt-joke of the show surrounded by competent men? Sure.....

Dude, again, how many episodes (from seasons 1 through 5) have you actually watched? Honest question.

She eats nothing but sweets, dances around making faces, and screws up everything badly. And I've already detailed pretty extensively how Ron, Chris, Mark, and Ben are shown to be quite competent at their jobs.

Quote:And I don't care enough to debate extensively with you on that tiny point in TV history. Just don't take it personally, because I differ with people I love in my personal life - doesn't mean that I have to declare WWIII and debate someone to death.

Who is taking things personally here? You're the one calling people "brainwashed" and saying "we're all fucked" over a "tiny point in TV history".
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I saw the first 5 seasons I think. Up to whenever Leslie took the job with the National Parks Service or whatever it was, the federal job.

Gotta say, I also thought there was a ton of propaganda (well, I would call it "pushing an agenda" but same thing) laced throughout the show. It wasn't egregious, just stuff that made me roll my eyes and keep watching--because honestly I thought the show was pretty damn funny--but it was definitely there.

I'm not going to try to lay out a bunch of examples.

I would like to point out, however, that the show did have like ~30 writers over time, and ~30 directors. So of course there was variation in the themes and presentation of ideas throughout the show.
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(02-17-2015 09:47 AM)weambulance Wrote:  I saw the first 5 seasons I think. Up to whenever Leslie took the job with the National Parks Service or whatever it was, the federal job.

Gotta say, I also thought there was a ton of propaganda (well, I would call it "pushing an agenda" but same thing) laced throughout the show. It wasn't egregious, just stuff that made me roll my eyes and keep watching--because honestly I thought the show was pretty damn funny--but it was definitely there.

I'm not going to try to lay out a bunch of examples.

I would like to point out, however, that the show did have like ~30 writers over time, and ~30 directors. So of course there was variation in the themes and presentation of ideas throughout the show.

Do you agree or disagree that Ron, Chris, Mark, and sometimes Ben are portrayed as the most level headed and competent characters on the show?

Do you agree or disagree that Leslie is portrayed as annoying, unattractive, and largely incompetent?

And I'm not talking about from personal opinion standpoint, I mean how the other characters view them. Who do the other characters like and dislike? Who do the other characters look to for advice? Who do they find more attractive? Which characters have the better love lives?

There are obviously a lot of themes that come up, but I don't see how the show is pushing feminism when they make the feminist the most unappealing character on the whole show. To me, even some of the shows that guys here recommend, like Archer, Californication, etc. are WAY worse (though I still enjoy them).
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(02-17-2015 07:59 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  Leslie Knopes is NOT the butt-joke of the show. This not propaganda on my part, but an opinion on my side - and a well-founded one I think.

Leslie Knopes - an ardent feminist being made fun of slightly, while she in the end is the one who achieves all goals, saves the financial future of the town, creates the park, gets all jobs done, is promoted non-stop. She is supposed to be the butt-joke of the show surrounded by competent men? Sure.....

You haven't watched the show. You've gotten the plot entirely wrong and you can't even spell the main character's name correctly.
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(02-17-2015 12:53 PM)Deluge Wrote:  You haven't watched the show. You've gotten the plot entirely wrong and you can't even spell the main character's name correctly.

Indeed you have invalidated my points by proving that Leslie Knopes is Leslie Knope (still a fictitious name). Thus the show is a wonderful piece of Red Pill entertainment or at least a balanced one between Red Pill, Blue Pill and benevolent good people working for government. Guys should really brush up on how propaganda works. The times of simple messages are long gone.

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Hat-tip to Bosch for coining "i-MacCarthyism" the best one-word summary of this millennial social justice shit.

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It's mainstream network television: Of course it's behavioural propaganda. It's why I watch little television: it's all 'Godbothering Archie' comics to me.

Do you really think the casting of a Lindy-West-approved comedian as an MRA was coincidence? Remember this thread?

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I would have forgotten the guy even existed by now, but I remember someone copy-pasted my rant against his video into the youtube comments verbatim, passing it off as their own.

Women celebrate this kind of attempted programming as a victory for their ideology because of their tenuous connection with fantasy: the passive entertainment of television, not experience, shapes their reality of the world. This is why the Rolling Stone rape story reads like fanfiction of a girl fed a steady diet of CW teen drama shows.
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This show is obviously way too SWPL.

I don't understand how anyone can actually watch it.
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(02-17-2015 05:05 PM)la_mode Wrote:  This show is obviously way too SWPL.

I don't understand how anyone can actually watch it.

Same goes for Modern Family, Big Bang Theory, and all that other shit. Even Saturday Night Live is total garbage now.

It's hard to sit through SWPL style humor, it's all passive aggressive snark.
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