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Feminists are trying to take over Wikipedia
Yesterday, a friend said that he saw some banner on Wikipedia claiming that there is a gender gap among Wikipedia editors and urged readers to click the banner to help figure out what to do about this "problem". I finally saw the banner today and it links here. Apparently, only 20% of editors and admins are women and "this is a problem". Unsurprisingly, there is almost no way to register any opposition or skepticism and the page forces you to view a whole bunch of happy "Lets do something!" proposals.

It could not possibly be that women just have less interest in editing Wikipedia, no it must be misogyny and a hostile environment. There is indeed a hostile environment against many editors, and I have stopped editing because of that, but who cares, I am a man, so no victimhood or cause for me.

What a circus.
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"Trying"

If you follow GG you know a majority of the male editors are already betas. It was feminized a long time ago
03-05-2015 01:16 PM
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Never donate to femi-pedia.

I already hated them because they have a major liberal slant.

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If anything proves that men and women simply have different innate dispositions, this is it. You can't blame "misogyny" or "discrimination" in an environment where people's identity consists of nothing more than a faceless username and their gender is unknown.

Still, I'm not surprised that Wikimedia doubles down and labels this a "problem" that needs to be "fixed." Seems like gender/racial participation gaps are always considered a "problem" these days, except in the NBA and NFL. Wonder why that could be.
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And what are they doing about the problem of not enough men using Pinterest?
03-05-2015 02:04 PM
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The only way they could is if they convinced enough men to go along

So it sounds like a done deal

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(03-05-2015 01:37 PM)DrewP Wrote:  If anything proves that men and women simply have different innate dispositions, this is it. You can't blame "misogyny" or "discrimination" in an environment where people's identity consists of nothing more than a faceless username and their gender is unknown.

Still, I'm not surprised that Wikimedia doubles down and labels this a "problem" that needs to be "fixed." Seems like gender/racial participation gaps are always considered a "problem" these days, except in the NBA and NFL. Wonder why that could be.

Do you watch the NBA or NFL? The NBA now has female refs, and they have already started causing issues with their calls on the court. The NFL has a woman panel that reviews player's behaviors. I could go on and on. PC run amok is getting into everything.

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(03-05-2015 03:38 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  
(03-05-2015 01:37 PM)DrewP Wrote:  If anything proves that men and women simply have different innate dispositions, this is it. You can't blame "misogyny" or "discrimination" in an environment where people's identity consists of nothing more than a faceless username and their gender is unknown.

Still, I'm not surprised that Wikimedia doubles down and labels this a "problem" that needs to be "fixed." Seems like gender/racial participation gaps are always considered a "problem" these days, except in the NBA and NFL. Wonder why that could be.

Do you watch the NBA or NFL? The NBA now has female refs, and they have already started causing issues with their calls on the court. The NFL has a woman panel that reviews player's behaviors. I could go on and on. PC run amok is getting into everything.

I was referring to the fact that no one (except maybe Heartiste's commenters) goes around saying the NBA is too dominated by black men, and proposing "solutions" to get white kids more interested in basketball.
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(03-05-2015 01:16 PM)EuphoricWizard Wrote:  "Trying"

If you follow GG you know a majority of the male editors are already betas. It was feminized a long time ago
Yea, I stopped editing other than minor things. Even some of my former political/bias opponents on there started enlisting my help against the bureaucratic juggernaut. That is how bad it is.

(03-05-2015 01:26 PM)DJ-Matt Wrote:  Never donate to femi-pedia.

I already hated them because they have a major liberal slant.
I did donate once years and years ago. Now I am more selfish, despite fairly recently considering a donation. They are not as liberal always as some like to make it out and they have pissed off just about everyone with their high and mighty attitude, like a bunch of archivist robots who can never be wrong. Conservapedia is always good for alternative views and some chuckles.

(03-05-2015 03:50 PM)DrewP Wrote:  (except maybe Heartiste's commenters)
I chuckled.
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I have said it in a few other posts but the thing that still amazes me is that there is funding for this. I understand how NOW and other feminist organizations fleece the purse strings of taxpayers with lobbyists but private companies paying for this shit just blows my mind. Wikipedia doesn't even make any money but some how they raised enough money to hire people to do those banners and artwork?

Where is the money coming from? Is there some sort of tax write off that companies can use? I really don't get it.

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The most important change to Wikipedia should be that when anyone googles 'feminist' it takes them to hippopotamus. It is interesting how similar they are:

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One of the reasons why I used to regularly donate to Wikipedia, but have since stopped.

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...so the obvious solution is for women to start editing Wikipedia and quit being slack asses? ...anyone?

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Update! Stop the presses! Emergency!!

Women are not, in fact, trying to take over Wikipedia. They're now whining about it. In print. They're saying only one tenth of it is written by women and that's, like, sooo totally unfair.

I know what you all are thinking: "Wait -- anyone can write a Wikipedia entry. They don't know your gender when you create a online name for it! So their complaints are like saying the air is sexist -- when anyone can breathe it. So WHAT THE FUCK are they talking about?"

Well, for that you'd have to ask Jenny Kleeman at the New Statesman, who composed the below whine-fest.

She's complaining that since most of Wikipedia is written by men, that's bad. EVEN THOUGH WOMEN HAVE THE SAME OPPORTUNITIES TO VOLUNTEER JUST AS MEN.

Keep in mind that on another thread here, we have an article at the Economist women complaining that when men don't participate in the economy that's bad too. So either way women complain.

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The Wikipedia wars: does it matter if our biggest source of knowledge is written by men? (How are they "wars?" Men created something, women have equal opportunity to contribute and they call it a "war." WTF?)

Wikipedia is the world’s most popular encyclopaedia, a collaborative utopia. But only one in every ten of its editors is a woman.

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Wikipedia is “like a sausage”, its founder, Jimmy Wales, told a reporter in 2004. “You might like the taste of it, but you don’t necessarily want to see how it’s made.” Back then, the free online encyclopaedia that anyone can edit was an exciting new, scrappy, collaborative utopia. Now it is the most influential source of information in the world. Wikipedia is often the first search result when we google something, our first destination when we want to understand something, and the place where academics, journalists and politicians first brief themselves, even though they might pretend it is not. (For the record, I was not allowed to use Wikipedia as a primary source at any newspaper or mag, so what she's saying is hyperbole.)

Dismissed as dangerously ("Dangerously?" Again we see the SJW obsession with thinking words = violence) unreliable in its early days, Wikipedia has become more rigorous over the years, with references essential to the survival of any article. We trust the website much more: amid the early panic of the ebola outbreak, the Wikipedia page for the virus was seen as an authoritative, reliable source, receiving as many hits as the World Health Organisation’s online ebola fact sheet. Wikipedia has become one of the most recognised brands in the world and for many people it is the portal to knowledge in the 21st century. (OK, we already know what Wikipedia is. Can we move on?)

Yet when it comes to how it is made, Wikipedia is a colossal failure. Only a tiny proportion of users now edit articles and the overwhelming majority of those editors are male. (Lack of one gender makes it a failure? So is the nursing profession a failure because it's mostly women?) The most recent survey by the Wikimedia Foundation, the charity that supports but does not control Wikipedia, found that 91 per cent of the editors are men. More optimistic surveys have put the figure at 84 per cent – but still, Wikipedia has a huge diversity problem. Instead of being the egalitarian “sum of all human knowledge”, as Wales had originally hoped, the English version of Wikipedia is mostly the sum of male knowledge. (It's a site that's made up of FREE contributions by volunteers. Why isn't this article framed this way: Women are too selfish and money-grubbing to offer their services for free and contribute to the greater good.)

The gender disparity has skewed the encyclopaedia’s content – not only which pages are created but also which ones are worked on and improved so that they reach a high standard. Take its “List of Pornographic Actresses”; it is meticulously referenced, with clear sections according to decade. The page is organised, clean and easy to use. Compare it to the “List of Female Poets”: a sprawling dumping ground, organised by name rather than date, unreferenced and of little use to anyone unless they want to know whose name might come after Sylvia Plath in an enormous alphabetical list. The list of poets has been edited 600 times, by nearly 300 editors. The list of female porn stars is a newer page but over 1,000 editors have edited it more than 2,500 times. (So donate your time and fix it like the men do with their pet topics you lazy whiner.)

Female poets at least get their own list. In areas such as science and technology, women are severely under-represented. If there is not a decent biography of a given woman on Wikipedia, users will assume she cannot be notable because she doesn’t have a proper Wikipedia page, so the marginalisation becomes circular and self-perpetuating. (So create one! In the time it took to write this, you could have done that!) The biographies that do exist often put a woman’s status as a wife, mother or daughter in the first paragraph, before or next to her notable achievements. These personal details are more often an afterthought in biographies of men. Conventionally female interests are also neglected: there’s a single page for all six series of Sex and the City, whereas there are 43 separate articles on Top Gear. And when it comes to articles on topics such as rape and abortion, the gender gap among editors really begins to matter. (Again, who is stopping every Jezebel writer and commenter from changing that? They had over a decade to do it.)

Wikipedia knows this is a problem – there is even a Wikipedia article on the subject (“Gender bias on Wikipedia”) – but no one knows what to do about it. Sue Gardner, a former executive director of the Wikimedia Foundation, set a goal in 2011 to increase the proportion of female editors to 25 per cent in four years. Just before she left her post in 2014 she confessed that she had not cracked the problem. “I didn’t solve it. We didn’t solve it. The Wikimedia Foundation didn’t solve it,” she said. (Because you cannot change the nature of women. Guess when it comes to Wikipedia, "all women are like that.")

At the annual Wikimania convention in London last August, Jimmy Wales said the organisation had “completely failed” in its attempts to increase women’s participation drastically. “We’re really doubling our efforts now,” he said. “We didn’t do enough. There are a lot of things that need to happen to get from 10 per cent to 25 per cent: a lot of outreach, a lot of software changes.” (Translation: We're not gonna do much, but if you keep complaining I guess we can dumb it down. Sigh. When do we leave this convention? Where is my Lear Jet?)

Elsewhere on the internet, women outnumber men on some of the other most visited sites, such as Facebook and Twitter, and in many online games. (Because you get to preen and show off your photos and tits on those sites. Put women's pics alongside their Wiki writing and I bet you'd get a whole lot of 'em chiming in.) Why do they feel less welcome on Wikipedia? (This is a leading question and poor writing. No one said they feel less welcome. The writer made her biased assumption as a fact.) “I don’t want to get into a fight on the internet. Ugh,” says Zara Rahman, 26, (Then why are you quoted here?) originally from Man­chester and now living in Berlin. She trains journalists to use data and technology, so you might expect her to feel at home on Wikipedia. But her experience there left her “really annoyed. Just exhausted.”

The frustration stemmed from her experience editing the online entry for Hedy Lamarr (The only woman of note who did something out-of-the-box innovative, so they constantly bring her up.), a 1940s Hollywood star and long-neglected inventor. (No, she's mentioned every minute on Slate.) Lamarr devised a crucial technique that paved the way for wireless communication, but her scientific achievements had barely a mention on her Wikipedia page when Rahman first looked her up. She edited the article to reflect the significance of Lamarr’s invention, referencing it in the first paragraph, but her changes were quickly reversed by another editor, on the grounds that Lamarr’s acting career was more noted by historical sources than her invention. (It is. I tried getting Phil Ochs in the John Lennon entry because Ochs inspired a song of his and they removed it. They like focus.) Then someone added a line to the opening paragraph about how a film director had once commented on Lamarr’s “strikingly dark exotic looks”. The editing community allowed that to stay in.

“The page is actually worse than when I first found it,” Rahman says. “As it currently stands, a comment by a man about her appearance is more important than the fact that she basically invented wifi.” Lamarr’s invention is mentioned “something like three screens down. If you were looking for quick headlines about this woman, you’re going to stop at the fact that she appeared nude in a scene. That’s all you’re going to remember about Hedy Lamarr.” Sources matter on Wikipedia – the more references a fact has to back it up, the more likely it is to remain on a page – but that can lead to a systemic bias. “Of course her [Lamarr’s] acting career appears in more sources,” Rahman says. “She was a woman in the 1940s, there were men writing, and the men were writing about her being beautiful and exotic, not about women contributing to science.” (And we now have two looong paragraphs about Hedy Lamarr. This is the only example the writer can find?)

Rahman had dabbled in editing before she arrived at Lamarr, but after this encounter she stopped. “I wanted to edit because it’s fun and I think it’s important, but a Wikipedia editing war is not my style,” she says. Editors can be notoriously brusque, sometimes forgetting social niceties when they change other people’s work. (As opposed to newspaper editors who are like the fucking welcome wagon. Give me a break.) The internet is littered with the blogs of bitter ex-Wikipedians who have been burned by rejection and the often fraught arbitration process the encyclopaedia uses to resolve disputes. Plus, Rahman was aware that she had hardly any clout, in Wikipedia terms, because she had not edited much before.

The conflict and hierarchy specific to Wikipedia may have been dispiriting but it was an internet-wide problem that ultimately put her off. “I’ve seen so many women be trolled and abused online, I don’t even want to dip my toes into that,” Rahman tells me. (Rahman again. Perhaps, you know, another source for a story would be good. When I wrote professionally I'd use ten sources per story, from all sides.) “I use the same Wikipedia name as I do for my Twitter and my blogs. If things are going to get vicious, it would be very easy for someone to find where I work as well as my email address.”

It is not just new users who feel alienated – even women such as Theresa Knott, who has been editing Wikipedia since its launch in 2001, have stopped contributing. She was once a leading figure on the encyclopaedia, elected to administrator and then arbitrator status, a role akin to that of a high court judge. But gradually she lost interest and she last edited in 2012.

“When Wikipedia was smaller it was a very different beast,” Knott tells me when we meet near the London mixed independent primary school where she teaches science and computing. “I met a lot of people and had great discussions in the early days. I wasn’t drawn to it because of the community but I stayed because of the community.

“Now editing is more of a solitary thing than it used to be because Wikipedia’s so much bigger. I think women like group activities more than men do; women like to socialise, and because it’s bigger I suspect it’s less appealing to women than it used to be.” When the community was smaller it was more collaborative. Editors took time to help each other learn the ropes, Knott says. “Now, it’s got very formal. I feel sorry for people whose articles aren’t the minimum length and don’t have at least one reference in them, because they just get deleted. That would put me off editing in the first place.” (This seems irrelevant, as if she let the source redirect her focus of the story. Yes, businesses get more formal when they get bigger. Not news and not the point of the story.)

It is hard to know how the gender gap has changed over time – the earliest survey of editors wasn’t carried out until 2010, when Wikipedia was already nine years old – but Knott says there were always many more male editors. “The women who were on there were more likely to be people like me rather than people with interest in . . .” – there’s a long pause while she searches for the appropriate words – “typical women things.” What does she mean by women like her? “Very geeky kinds of females who thought in a certain way and kind of fitted in with the men. There weren’t many women who would not traditionally be in a male sphere. When I did my physics degree, the ratio was 6:1. You kind of get used to it.”

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If you’ve ever clicked on the “Edit” tab on a Wikipedia article, you will understand that having a particular kind of conventionally male-brained thinking might help on Wikipedia. (Hmmm. So men have different brains. Is this something we should note when we choose who will treat us for cancer or who will be our accountants? Just asking.) Reams of code cascade down the page: curved, square and curly brackets, chevrons and underscores. It looks more like a computer program than a draft of an encyclopaedia entry. (WTF?!?! This is coding. How do you expect the Web to be put together?! Photos of chalkboards?!!!!) If you can see past the symbols to the bit of text you want to edit, it becomes straightforward: you put your cursor in the place you want to make a change and then type, or delete. Then you write an edit summary describing your changes and click Save – though there is no guarantee they will stay. Most edits, particularly changes from new users, will be scrutinised by an army of experienced volunteers and Wikipedia robots, looking out for mistakes, vandalism, libel and things that break the site’s code of practice. (As opposed to what? Vandals and hackers ruining the site? Once again, women come in with their own values and unwittingly want to bring a Third World mentality to the proceedings. Vandalism is apparently preferable to logic and order.)

Knott has observed a gender disparity among her young computing students: the boys have embraced coding more wholeheartedly than the girls, and are more willing to do it on their own, outside class. Even if Wikipedia didn’t exist, the highest-ranked pages on Google would still be more likely to have been created by men than women, she says. “It’s not just a Wikipedia thing – it’s an internet thing.” (Loss of focus again. Who is her editor? Women if its a man -- hehe.) Wikipedia is about creating content rather than websites (Really? Well, glad we're back on topic anyway) but all the behind-the-scenes manoeuvres that go into creating a page mean it has more in common with coding than editing a Facebook status, where the social network invites you to share “what’s on your mind”. (No it doesn't. I don't know shit about coding and have written nearly the entire pages of some entries, including the episode guide for TV's "Happy Days" where it's a big list. This is not that hard. Observe and copy.)

If there are going to be more female editors, Wikipedia needs to learn from websites where women feel comfortable. (So she's basically saying women aren't as sharp as men and need coddling. But wait! I thought they were taking over the economy and colleges! Guess not.) Some believe Wikipedia “editathons” might be the answer, where editors meet in person to work on neglected topics together. (Who the fuck would believe that? Pick-up artists conducting Wikipedia Game Workshops?) These are encouraged and supported by the Wikimedia Foundation, which sometimes provides tea, biscuits, laptops and trainers to help new editors learn the craft. Recent editathons have focused on topics such as ballet, Australian female neuroscientists and women in Jewish history.

While increasing the coverage of women on the site, these meet-ups are also more likely to attract female editors in the first place. Claire Millington made her first edit at a “Women in Archaeology” editathon in 2013. We meet at a café next to Senate House Library, where she has been working on her classics PhD at King’s College London. Her thesis is on the women who served in the households of Roman auxiliary army commanders, a group of women that has never been systematically studied. “There’s a pattern in what’s written about women and their achievements, and it’s basically that they’re not written about,” she says. “I don’t want Wikipedia to be a place where women are written out of history again, because if it’s not on Wikipedia, it’s not visible.”

Millington sees it as her duty to make sure that her academic field is properly represented on Wikipedia. She creates new articles and nurtures them, keeping them on a watchlist so that she can check on new contributions. So far, she has not yet found any edits that she’s wanted to change. Wikipedia’s genteel classics pages are unlikely sites for bitter editing wars, but Millington has yet to experience the encyclopaedia’s aggressive side, and has organised her own editathon, encouraging her colleagues to participate.

“I think the interface is the one thing that Wikipedia, Wikimedia, really needs to address. It’s not immediately intuitive,” she says. “It’s great if you’re techy – and there are a lot of people involved in Wikipedia who are techy – but the majority of the population are used to getting their phone out of the box and turning it on and using it. (Um, you can't do that with a lot of things. Should we fix cars with phones too? Maybe when we could have more female mechanics.) It’s not that women can’t do it, it’s just initially it’s not very welcoming.”

Is there another reason why women are less willing than men to contribute to Wikipedia: that women like to feel they have comprehensive knowledge of something, backed up by evidence, before they claim to have the authority to comment on it, whereas men are more prepared to blag? (TOTALLY wrong, since not only does Wikipedia require sources for all facts, but men came up with that concept. This is just male-bashing now.) It takes confidence to believe you have the right to write an encyclopaedia entry, something men might have in greater quantities. (This is bullshit. Some of the least confident people I know are computer geeks. Wikipedia writing is for people who are committed and passionate about something. Again I say let women put pics on there and watch them flock to it -- because this is what they're passionate about.)

“[That’s] not really plausible,” says Charles Matthews, a former Cambridge academic and one of Wikipedia’s most prolific editors, when I put this to him. “To the extent that women have a different working pattern, they are more likely to be patient writers, that’s all. And motivated by different considerations.” (Finally a man's voice and the only germ of logic here.) The idea of different working patterns has come up before as an explanation of the gender disparity, in another way: several studies have found that women have less free time than men to dedicate to projects such as Wikipedia because they do more of the childcare and housework.

For Matthews, maybe the gender gap is being blown out of proportion. “There are other, similar systemic issues that are also important. Do Hollywood films get better coverage on Wikipedia than Bollywood? You bet,” he says. “We’re beginning to think there’s less of a gap in terms of writing rather than tech maintenance work on the site – which is lost if you treat all edits as equal.”

I can’t help thinking that if women were more confident about asserting their knowledge, they’d feel more at home on Wikipedia. Roberta Wedge, a former gender gap project worker for Wikimedia UK, agrees. “I think far fewer women would describe themselves as experts than men, but you don’t need to be an expert to edit Wikipedia. And there are many ways of contributing, like photography (LOL! Told you!!!!), like labelling and categorising things. Like adding links between articles so that when you’ve found an amazing, obscure woman you can make sure the article can be found from other places.”

Wikimedia UK hired Wedge for four months last year to address the gender disparity. (Nice to see women are getting into the shakedown business. Wouldn't want the race hustlers to feel alone. Now we have the vagina hustlers.) She helped with editathons and attended related conferences. As she told me while she was still in the post, “My job is to say: there are fascinating women out there on the historic record, we need to get them reflected on Wikipedia, and men and women can add to that.”

The focus seems to be on making sure “female” subjects and women’s biographies are adequately represented, rather than recruiting women to edit, but the hope is that once those topics are better represented, ­female editors will feel more welcome. (They will as soon as they're finished taking selfies at the TGIFridays happy hour.)

But there is a limit to what the international Wikimedia Foundation can do. It’s a charity: there is no army of engineers who can make the editing interface more friendly, no funding for focus groups to reveal what women want from Wikipedia. Any intervention beyond that would undermine what makes Wikipedia great: the fact that it is built from the ground up, a collaboration that polices itself. The answer to the problem has to come from within Wikipedia. Ideas from the site’s discussion boards include a Girl Scout achievement badge in Wikipedia (And when tween Girl Scouts start dealing with 50-year-old Wikipedia editors, how do you think parents and the press will react? They won't be celebrating with cookies, that's for sure.), and persuading celebrities such as Oprah Winfrey to ask their audiences to try editing. But ultimately it is up to women to choose to get involved, and up to existing contributors to make them feel welcome.

After several months away from Wikipedia, Zara Rahman met Wedge at a conference, and Wedge persuaded her to give it another try. Rahman has made a few additions to the biography of Marie Tharp, an oceanographer who created the first scientific map of the ocean floor. But she still sounds badly bruised by her experiences on Wikipedia, and is wary of becoming more involved. (This is just neurotic. She contributed. It worked. Now she's whining. Men can't get away with this level of whinery.) I ask if she even uses the site for reference any more. “Of course,” she laughs. “Where else do you get your information from?” (The Roosh Forum?)
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RE: Feminists are trying to take over Wikipedia
I think the right really needs to press the scientific issue: it is already proven that men's and women's brains are physiologically different. A man's brain is larger and with far more grey matter. Biology is the root of all culture. This should be hammered down on the left at every turn. People must either be made to accept objective reality or accept that they are insane.

I suspect that one of the reasons this is not being done is the next fact that must then be accepted - physiological brain differences between races. Everyone is too scared to accept this reality, lest we not be mature enough, and degenerate to a return to racism. So we need this buffer zone of pretending all brains are identical. But the cost of this suspension of reality is that the right is unable to resist these attacks from the left, and that they are only going to continue ever bolder.
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A lesson for all men and something to take heart.

A few years ago, I spoke to several media companies involved with publishing both written and video material and was shocked how few of men were involved in the decision making. The room was about 80% female (where is the complaints of inequality), and when they asked about struggling with reaching a male audience, I pointed out that it appeared that women were the ones making the decisions on what men should like. This made quite a few enemies in the room, and the men who made suggestions were immediately shot down by the female peers.

Women don't want to build a successful medium (too much work and risk). But when they realize that it's a successful medium, you can bet that they'll begin to control its narrative. They use the same strategy over and over again - portraying themselves as under represented, harassed (or abused, etc). Think of nothing other than the printing press: created by men, predominantly used by men, and now women have a strong involvement on what gets printed. The internet is no different: most - if not all - of the creators of the internet were men. Yet, we're witnessing a movement, predominantly from women, of trying to seize control of the internet (notice how they use things like harassment or abuse to do this).

In order for women to stay in power, they must control the narrative. That is how you propagandize people - you control the messages they receive. In the long run, there will be no Red Pill/Manosphere books or material because either women will try to infiltrate it and corrupt its message, or they will take over Amazon (and other publishers) and stop these books from being published, or significantly alter their message. To see this in action, you can compare The Lay Guide to The Game; The Game is the feminist narrative, The Lay Guide is not. The purpose of The Game was to get men to read it instead of The Lay Guide.

The point here is that none of this should surprise us. If we want something that is untouched by women, we must build it and keep women from ever having access to the power of it, or be in a position to make decisions about where it should go. I doubt this will happen only because men are all to seduced by turning over their power to women and even some of the RP\M men, after finding what they call the "right girl", seem to let her influence what they do. It's Genesis 3 all over again.
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Men create things and groups and hierarchies and status, and women show up afterwards and say, Hey we want some of that.

And then some of the men take the women's side in order to gain status over the other men.
06-06-2015 06:27 PM
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I thought anyone could register and edit Wikipedia. Ive even contributed to a couple articles myself, took me about 5 minutes to register. (This was way back, so perhaps rules have changed)

So if only 20% of editors are women, why are men expected to "do something" about it? The reason its like thatis because, hum, women are not "doing something".

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Why does an online encyclopedia need a lobbyist?

Quote:Donations are funding a huge expansion in professional administrative staff and "research projects". Amazingly, this year for the first time Wikipedia - the web encyclopaedia anyone can edit - has even found the cash to fund a lobbyist.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/12/20/..._chugging/
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only 2% of the soldiers who died in wars were women.

this is a problem, feminists must fight for equality in the number of dead soldiers also
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Captain, lobbying has one of the highest returns on investment there is. Via a lobbyist, you can direct the democratic machine to loot other people for you. There are hundreds of millions of people to loot - worth paying a few of them to set it up for you.
What's the fastest way to get a new car, work hard and save up, or pull a gun on a motorist at a red light?
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All this complaining is strange to me. Nobody holds women back to write at Wikipedia. Also I don't get it why comic super heros have to change the sex. When there is a lack of females or other groups, nobody stop them to create them. There was also a talk that James Bond should be black. Well nobody stops a black guy to write a story about a black agent. Women earn less? Well then work in the jobs that pay better and don't study expression art or stuff like that.

Well its always more easy to complain then to create. Pull out your attention seeking agenda to get some money for equality programs from the government. Its not about equality, its about creating a fake demand that those people can create their fake jobs with public money.

Women are not hold back, if so this would be unfair - true. But if someone could but not do, well then its not injustice or oppression - its free choice.
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