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Princeton discovers what we already know about Millenials
As the title suggests, Princeton university just did a study to evaluate the "adult competencies" of millenials.

The results astounded the researches but are what everyone on here already knows. American millenials are "among the world's least skilled", with extremely poor literacy, communication, and other basic skills. Even in the category "problem solving for technological problems" Millenials demonstrated a competency far below previous generations:

http://fortune.com/2015/03/10/american-m...t-skilled/


Quote:Surprised? So were the researchers who tested and compared workers in 23 countries.

We hear about the superior tech savvy of people born after 1980 so often that we tend to assume it must be true. But is it?

Researchers at Princeton-based Educational Testing Service (ETS) expected it to be when they administered a test called the Program for the International Assessment of Adult Competencies (PIAAC). Sponsored by the OECD, the test was designed to measure the job skills of adults, aged 16 to 65, in 23 countries.

When the results were analyzed by age group and nationality, ETS got a shock. It turns out, says a new report, that Millennials in the U.S. fall short when it comes to the skills employers want most: literacy (including the ability to follow simple instructions), practical math, and — hold on to your hat — a category called “problem-solving in technology-rich environments.”

Not only do Gen Y Americans lag far behind their overseas peers by every measure, but they even score lower than other age groups of Americans.

Take literacy, for instance. American Millennials scored lower than their counterparts in every country that participated except Spain and Italy. (Japan is No. 1.) In numeracy, meaning the ability to apply basic math to everyday situations, Gen Yers in the U.S. ranked dead last.

Okay, but what about making smart use of technology, where Millennials are said to shine? Again, America scored at the bottom of the heap, in a four-way tie for last place with the Slovak Republic, Ireland, and Poland.

Even the best-educated Millennials stateside couldn’t compete with their counterparts in Japan, Finland, South Korea, Belgium, Sweden, or elsewhere. With a master’s degree, for example, Americans scored higher in numeracy than peers in just three countries: Ireland, Poland, and Spain. Altogether, the top U.S. Gen Yers, in the 90th percentile, “scored lower than their counterparts in 15 countries,” the report notes, “and only scored higher than their peers in Spain.”

Could it possibly be that rampant SJW-ism is the result of not having any real life competencies?
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I'm surprised none of the morons in the article's comment section trotted out the tired, old canard about teachers not being paid enough and schools not getting enough funding.

Also, the generational blame game seems to me like blame shifting. What did the older generations do to stop the decline they believe contributed to a bunch of idiotic 20-somethings? Jack shit.

In another generation "millennials" will be bitching about how terrible the transhomoracialist generation is, in private, to avoid getting prosecuted for violating our new speech codes.

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I would say that the staggeringly low amount of life competency has to do with generations of Americans being raised by single moms.

Big surprise, I learned how to change oil from my dad, along with every other practical life skill.

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Their "self esteem", is very high though, as is their ability to not think or speak outside the confines of political correctness

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RE: Princeton discovers what we already know about Millenials
There are fewer business owners under 30 than at any other time in the past 24 years.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/endangered-s...s+under+30
Quote:The Journal’s findings run counter to the widely held stereotype of 20-somethings as entrepreneurial risk-takers. The sharp decline in business ownership among young adults, even when taking into account the aging population, adds to worries about business formation heading into 2015, economists said.

Not surprisingly, there are fewer millennial entrepreneurs.
Go figure, dealing with real world problems can't be solved with political correctness or what your professor told you.
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My generation had "Mr. Gadget"; they have gadgets.
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What about the Flynn Effect?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flynn_effect
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it would be interesting to try and test the degree to which technology overuse, parenting, and a school system that functions to teach to the lowest common denominator affects millennial development.
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these findings are nothing less a scathing indictment of both public schooling and the post-secondary education bubble.

but what do the overlords care? the gen-yers all think like sjws and all vote for the proper ultra-leftist people, so why fix what ain't broke?
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Another millennial thread and tell me why I love them so much?
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Man, everyone shits on Millenials. I say look to their equally worthless baby boomer/gen x parents who fail to instill their children with good values.

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Least skilled technically?

We will probably eliminate every soul crushing job there is by the time we die out at 100 and cure most debilitating diseases that still exist.

What a joke. Laugh

The people in the workforce holding us back are the 45+yo technically incompetent managers with rigid thought processes.

Let's not talk about Medicare, SS, and so on that we will pay for, yet not be able to use.
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(03-11-2015 01:20 PM)Travesty444 Wrote:  Least skilled technically?

We will probably eliminate every soul crushing job there is by the time we die out at 100 and cure most debilitating diseases that still exist.

What a joke. Laugh

The people in the workforce holding us back are the 45+yo incompetent managers with rigid thought processes.

Let's not talk about Medicare, SS, and so on that we will pay for, yet not be able to use.
They probably tested them on real stuff not iphone settings etc.
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Since when are Millennials, anyone under 35 years old? Someone 30 years old right now is even vastly different than someone 23.

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I think a lot of it just comes from having it too easy.

Not a lot to struggle for makes it very hard to motivate oneself to sharpen iron.

I know people from tough backgrounds who maybe didn't have the best parenting but they are driven. I am sure somewhere there is some highly motivated Millenial, somewhere...

But I do think it is a birds of a feather thing. I don't have any slackers in my life - we just wouldn't click.

There is that expression about crabs in a bucket pulling each other down if one wants to escape, I imagine it is very easy to get people to come down to lower standards through peer pressure. So somehow, you gotta find a tough inner core and rise above it all.

So if you have a bunch of slackers/losers in your life - maybe it is time for a re-eval.

Edit: For those in this age group, don't take it personal. This is just a generalization. If it isn't true then don't worry about. If someone calls you a purple martian, who cares if it isn't true. Like the expression goes, the truth hurts. So if you are having some major reaction to this article (NOT saying anyone is) maybe some inward reflection is in order. Other than that this is just clickbait.

Edit2: As far as parenting goes. I know I am among the crowd that rails on how bad parents are these days. But they did the best they could. No one is going to say, "Well, I could feed my kid, but I won't" - Well hopefully not. Maybe it is more I can't afford to feed my kid. They did the best they could given their mental and physical limitations. At some point, we have to be responsible for our own lives. From a 100% responsible way of living, we would never blame others, but that is a struggle for everyone, including myself. Victimhood tastes so good sometimes.

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(03-11-2015 01:36 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  Since when are Millennials, anyone under 35 years old? Someone 30 years old right now is even vastly different than someone 23.

Who knows? The people who care about this pop culture crap can't even agree on when Generation X ends and Generation Y ("millenials") begins.

The first guys to use that faggoty term say anyone born after 1982 is a millenial. Time Magazine says 1980.

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Dead last or close to it in so many categories.

From the article:

"Not only do Gen Y Americans lag far behind their overseas peers by every measure, but they even score lower than other age groups of Americans.

Take literacy, for instance. American Millennials scored lower than their counterparts in every country that participated except Spain and Italy. (Japan is No. 1.) In numeracy, meaning the ability to apply basic math to everyday situations, Gen Yers in the U.S. ranked dead last."
Okay, but what about making smart use of technology, where Millennials are said to shine? Again, America scored at the bottom of the heap, in a four-way tie for last place with the Slovak Republic, Ireland, and Poland.

Even the best-educated Millennials stateside couldn’t compete with their counterparts in Japan, Finland, South Korea, Belgium, Sweden, or elsewhere. With a master’s degree, for example, Americans scored higher in numeracy than peers in just three countries: Ireland, Poland, and Spain. Altogether, the top U.S. Gen Yers, in the 90th percentile, “scored lower than their counterparts in 15 countries,” the report notes, “and only scored higher than their peers in Spain.”

“We really thought [U.S.] Millennials would do better than the general adult population, either compared to older coworkers in the U.S. or to the same age group in other countries,” says Madeline Goodman, an ETS researcher who worked on the study. “But they didn’t. In fact, their scores were abysmal.”


Geez. Supposedly tech-savvy Millennials are actually some of the least computer knowledgeable people on the planet....

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(03-11-2015 01:45 PM)TheWastelander Wrote:  
(03-11-2015 01:36 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  Since when are Millennials, anyone under 35 years old? Someone 30 years old right now is even vastly different than someone 23.

Who knows? The people who care about this pop culture crap can't even agree on when Generation X ends and Generation Y ("millenials") begins.

The first guys to use that faggoty term say anyone born after 1982 is a millenial. Time Magazine says 1980.

Sounds like a bunch of bullshit to me. Anyone born in the 90's is very much different than someone born in the 80s. Especially from anyone that is late 90s or early 2000s born.

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Wow, so this explains why it's so easy for me to get jobs.

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They make millennials apply online it's a big joke everyone knows but them.
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(03-11-2015 02:03 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  Sounds like a bunch of bullshit to me. Anyone born in the 90's is very much different than someone born in the 80s. Especially from anyone that is late 90s or early 2000s born.

I'd go even further and say that anyone born in the early nineties is also different from someone born in the late 90s or early 2000s.

I still remember what it was like what not everyone had a cellphone (and when flip phones were cool) and when internet usage was not widespread.

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"When the results were analyzed by age group and nationality, ETS got a shock. It turns out, says a new report, that Millennials in the U.S. fall short when it comes to the skills employers want most: literacy (including the ability to follow simple instructions), practical math, and — hold on to your hat — a category called “problem-solving in technology-rich environments.”"

This is propaganda

This is the right hand not knowing what the left hand is doing.

The reason employers want Millennials in the first place is because they work long hours for cheap.

There are more than enough Gen X'ers and above that are
- literate
- capable of math
- can solve problems in tech rich environments.

There's no shortage of people who can do the jobs.

There's a shortage of employers who are willing to pay qualified employees.

And even if there weren't qualified employees, there's a shortage of employers willing to train employees.

Every business wants to "hit the ground running".
They want "just in time" production
They want to "run lean"
We want to be "optimized"

And even then, they'll collude with other people in their industries to suppress wages.
They'll lobby state legislatures to cut protections, like worker's comp.
Unions? LOL.

Don't fall for this narrative that these benevolent employers are starved for workers.

They're starved for workers with X years of experience, willing to put in long hours, and work for peanuts.

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(03-11-2015 01:56 PM)Akula Wrote:  Geez. Supposedly tech-savvy Millennials are actually some of the least computer knowledgeable people on the planet....

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Funny you should notice that point. The guy who brought this to my attention immediately caught onto the exact same thing: the perception of millenials as "tech smart" apparently doesn't extend past things like social media and smart phones into productivity uses.
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(03-11-2015 02:17 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  They make millennials apply online it's a big joke everyone knows but them.

The purpose of the online applications isn't really to hire people, it's so that the resumes can be automatically rejected without HR(which is dominated by narcisstic, lazy as fuck, land whales) having to deal with people swinging by in person to drop off paper resumes.

It also can serve as a good way to get someone when you need a slot filled yesterday. In that case getting two hundred resumes in the next 24 hours is exactly what you need.
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I wonder how relevant this really is when you consider how much larger the US is than the countries they compare the US against. Especially when you consider how many areas of the country that a higher education isn't really required. This seems like one of those bullshit studies designed to "get everyone enrolled in college" and keep funding the student loan debt crisis. Sure, our average may be low but that doesn't mean we have a shortage of educated and intelligent workers.
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