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Is there any chance the obesity epidemic will reverse in our lifetimes?
Does anyone out there think there is some force that could cause the obesity epidemic to reverse? Any chance we will look back on the multitude of landwhales as a sad relic of a more primitive time? Or is it nothing but bigger and bigger from here on out.

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RE: Is there any chance the obesity epidemic will reverse in our lifetimes?
Just think of all the health data the medical profession will have in 50 years. The crazy years can't last forever.

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RE: Is there any chance the obesity epidemic will reverse in our lifetimes?
Sadly no.

For a few factors.

1) Those who are already fat will continue to be that way. These poor decision makers will also easily end up having more kids than the slender attractive women. So fatties will be raising more kids than the ideal women.

2) I will combine the next into what I call "attitude towards life" like - the YOLO and Not give a fuck attitude, fat acceptance, everyone is a special snowflake, etc. - Will not encourage them to lose weight or keep weight off

3) We live in a consumption environment - big business formulates food to be addictive so you want more of it - fuck they even make baby food addictive by playing with the taste.

4) We live in a hypercompetitive, instant knowledge/awareness society. It is very easy to know how you are doing when compared to others. As people realize they are not keeping up or making it, people fall back into self medicating behavior. Drinking, drugs, playing games all day, anything to numb the pain. And women are emotional eaters. They may act like they are YOLO and all that but deep inside, subconsciously they know they are not all that - so they eat to numb the pain.

5) Men are so thirsty they will not punish or ignore fat women. Fuck you chubby chasers.

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RE: Is there any chance the obesity epidemic will reverse in our lifetimes?
(03-29-2015 03:21 PM)Grange Wrote:  Just think of all the health data the medical profession will have in 50 years. The crazy years can't last forever.

Sadly, that is the thinking of us logic based men. Women have no need for logic. They just want to feel good about themselves, food helps. It will help more when the stresses of life build and they need something to make them happy.

The term foodie has appeared over the last few years and almost always used by a woman. Not a good sign.

Our society (speaking US) is built on cheap food and cheap energy. If food was actually expensive people would eat less. But that would cause other problems. I also, don't think certain foods should be expensive because it punishes the poor. And little kids need healthy foods to fully develop.

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RE: Is there any chance the obesity epidemic will reverse in our lifetimes?
(03-29-2015 03:27 PM)samsamsam Wrote:  Sadly no.

For a few factors.

6) Food will remain cheap through never ending government subsidies. See this great documentary for one part of the story behind it.

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RE: Is there any chance the obesity epidemic will reverse in our lifetimes?
First, according to surveys, the obesity epidemic in the US has already peaked:

http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2012/01/...ked-in-u-s

Quote:The latest data come from 2009-2010 installment of the National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey, which surveys about 10,000 adults and children every two years.

The proportion of adult Americans who are obese held steady at about 35 percent, marking the second time that had happened between installments of the survey. And when the researchers examined the surveys over the long-term, they found clear evidence that that overall obesity had leveled off.

"These data basically show than we haven't seen any change probably since back to 2003-4 in obesity in any group," said Cynthia Ogden of the National Center for Health Statistics, which released the latest data and published two papers online in JAMA, the Journal of the American Medical Association. One paper focused on adults while the second focused on children.

Second, the obesity rates in the youngest (2-5) are going down:

http://wtop.com/news/2014/03/has-the-us-...ic-peaked/

Quote:The Centers for Disease Control says that from 2003 to 2012, overall obesity rates remained stable. And there was a big reduction in obesity in children between the ages of two and five.

Third, following public pressure, more and more big food companies are removing the really bad garbage like high fructose corn syrup from their products:

http://www.theguardian.com/business/us-m...-chocolate

(Hershey, Sara Lee, Gatorade are among the companies doing it already or moving towards it).

Americans are cutting back on soda consumption (another huge source of the obesity epidemic). Coke, Pepsi, and Dr Pepper/Snapple are all reporting continuing sales declines:

http://www.nydailynews.com/life-style/ea...-1.1409728

In short, the obesity epidemic in the US has almost certainly already plateaued, and is very likely to start reversing over time. But it will be a slow process and it is likely to take decades to unfold (just as the surge in obesity itself did).

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RE: Is there any chance the obesity epidemic will reverse in our lifetimes?
I'm hoping for genetically engineered food that doesn't gain you calories. Or is that just fantasy?
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RE: Is there any chance the obesity epidemic will reverse in our lifetimes?
Decent chances, but we are probably too old to eventually enjoy them.

1. Pre-implantation Genetic Diagnosis. Just like with intelligence and height, parents should be able to screen for lower probabilities of obesity in potential offspring via pre-implantation genetic diagnosis. One doesn't need to know "the genes" or base pairs that cause intelligence, height, obesity, etc.--one just needs to know which base pairs are statistically associated with them. Alternatively, if obesity is like intelligence and height (where random mutations likely increase stupidity and shortness), this becomes even easier--one can just pick potential offspring with fewest mutations.

This should lead to reductions in obesity rates among the middle and upper socioeconomic classes. Even if this becomes very cheap, this probably won't dent the obesity rate among the low SES, because relying on IVF and PGD to produce offspring requires impulse control and organizational skills, characteristics the low SES do not have (or they wouldn't be low in SES). But who cares? A lower obesity rate among the middle and upper classes is more than enough to make the dating markets a lot better for our sons.

2. Sex-bots. A leftward shift in the supply curve of male thirst would put more pressure on girls to get their shit together to maintain the same level of male attention.

At the very least, the more men's balls are drained, the less inspired they will be to satiate the female demand for attention (e.g. Instagram likes, cat-calling, shitty approaches, etc.).

Now what if sex-bots are realistic enough to serve as companions? 90s AOL instant messenger chat-bots could already pass Turing Tests for basic bitches in terms of conversation. So really, it's only an aesthetic problem in making sex-bots more appealing to men.

An attractive real woman would certainly beat a realistic sex-bot in the eyes of most men. However, an unattractive real woman vs. a realistic sex-bot? Hm...

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RE: Is there any chance the obesity epidemic will reverse in our lifetimes?
It sounds like it just expanding to other countries as they westernize.

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RE: Is there any chance the obesity epidemic will reverse in our lifetimes?
in the event that we have a severe economic catastrophe (like the kind doomsayers like peter schiff have been predicting for over a decade) and western governments (like in the uk, canada and the us) end up really, really broke - to the extent that social spending and "entitlements" end or are severely curtailed and the average person is left with very little disposable income - then yes the obesity epidemic might end, simply because fewer and fewer people will be able to afford anything other than a caloric deficit.

i might sound like i am arguing by hyperbole, but i don't believe it is any coincidence that three of the biggest beneficiaries from ebt in the us are walmart, mcdonalds and kraft. these companies are not exactly the pinnacle of healthy eating. also, subsidy of big ag for things like soybean oil and high fructose corn syrup also doesn't help. that would also end or be severely curtailed as western governments get broker.

if we are restored to a more "eat what you kill" system (heh), the skinnier we might well get.
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if anything, it is going to get much worse before it gets better. By worse, the safe havens that used to be eastern europe, southeast asia, and south america will become fatter as more fast food places overtake them and they become more westernized(fat)

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RE: Is there any chance the obesity epidemic will reverse in our lifetimes?
There are some reasons to take hope and believe it will, slowly, get curbed over time. Health/Fitness clubs and health food stores are a growing trend across America. Medical technology and health education continue to improve. Over time, there will be less and less excuses for women not to be in-shape. Men are already giving them the cue with the marriage strike.
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RE: Is there any chance the obesity epidemic will reverse in our lifetimes?
For what it's worth, I rarely see a fat hipster girl. Many are actually quite thin even. I think if a subculture rises that makes it cool to be thin and fit into skinny jeans, things could get better. Think of the bikini bridge and thigh gap memes that were going around on Instagram. If men were clever we'd figure out a way to start these memes with fake female profiles.
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RE: Is there any chance the obesity epidemic will reverse in our lifetimes?
Unless there's some simple pill these lazy bastards can take to temporarily increase their metabolisms so they burn three or four times as many calories a day than normal, probably not.

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RE: Is there any chance the obesity epidemic will reverse in our lifetimes?
The extremes will diverge ever more in the West - there will be those who are in great shape and then the majority who will take their cues from the SJW fat-acceptance crowd.

And the main reason why this will work at all is due to the atrocious gender ratios in the West - since those won't improve in the next decades, but are bound to get worse, then I don't see how this will come about.

Also austerity and lower living standard actually produces more obesity - the truly rich are generally slimmer, because over time they start buying more healthy nutritious food.

Only extreme poverty or government calorie restriction could change it despite crazy gender ratios.

No amount of activism, campaigning will change that!

The easiest way to get rid of fatties is to give them Belarus gender ratios - that will make the fatties slim down fast - super-fast in fact. No amount of fat campaigning will convince them otherwise. In Russia the girls say that men have incredibly high standards, but actually the standards are just normal when the world is in balance - women don't have to do much except grow their hair long and be slim, while men have to perform on so many levels. But even those 2 things are way too hard for them. How dare men demand anything of us?

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The slim hipster, yoga, career girl will remain the exception in the West. As long as one of them gets 300 messages a day and a fattie gets 30, then know that fat is here to stay. Man has to deal with it.

You either raise your value so high, that you bang the hotties in the West or move abroad where there are more slimmer girls and your value is higher.
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RE: Is there any chance the obesity epidemic will reverse in our lifetimes?
The next time I see one of those "this is what a real woman looks like" stories going viral, I'm going to post this:

This is what a real man looks like, come get 'em ladies...

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RE: Is there any chance the obesity epidemic will reverse in our lifetimes?
In our lifetimes? Dunno. But I think it will turn around eventually. As "good men" are disenfranchised and outbred, the wealthy secular welfare state for which they are the social capital will crumble, and so will the freedom that women have to look so terrible. http://www.rooshv.com/cultural-collapse-theory
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RE: Is there any chance the obesity epidemic will reverse in our lifetimes?
Weight loss surgery is booming. People are going under the knife for bypass and lapband in droves. I know 5 personally.
What needs to be communicated as obvious common knowledge is processed flour and high fructose corn syrup along with milk/ice cream make people fat as hell.
Why do people NOT know this is because the powers that be make billions off of shitty food!
Our country is heading toward a real caste system. Fat useless broke dumb asses at the bottom and health conscious intelligent upper classes on top.
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RE: Is there any chance the obesity epidemic will reverse in our lifetimes?
I have yet to see a fat person at whole foods....

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RE: Is there any chance the obesity epidemic will reverse in our lifetimes?
^ Lucky you I have

I know lots of overweight people who know how to eat healthy, cook well, etc.

They do this sometimes too

You see for lunch they have a fresh salad with some nuts fruit and chicken mixed in. They can talk about what vitamins are in what food and how those vitamins help your body do ABC, XYZ.

Obviously for dinner they're eating an entire sleeve of oreos.

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RE: Is there any chance the obesity epidemic will reverse in our lifetimes?
Last year a study came out indicating that the obesity rate was leveling off:

http://www.webmd.com/diet/20140225/us-ob...off?page=1

Unfortunately, I don't know if I'd trust this article because its author is heinously innumerate.

Quote:Obesity in kids is defined as a child who has a BMI at or above the 95th percentile for children of the same age and sex

Two sentences later...

Quote:"We found among preschoolers, 2- to 5-year-olds, there was a significant decrease in obesity," Ogden said. Prevalence of obesity in children that age dipped from 14 percent in 2003-2004 to about 8 percent in 2011-2012, she noted.

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RE: Is there any chance the obesity epidemic will reverse in our lifetimes?
Like women's dress sizes, there will be a timely correction to indicators of obesity to massage the stats and make fatties feel healthy soon, if that hasn't already happened.

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RE: Is there any chance the obesity epidemic will reverse in our lifetimes?
Lower obesity rate among 2-5 year olds is not an achievement.

They noted that all other age groups remained the same or increased in weight.

The reason why kids get statistically slimmer that incredibly young age might be:

+ less children by younger mothers
+ more children born by older mothers who know at least enough to not overfeed their brats until they are in their teens
+ more autistic children - 1:50 now among the 5 year olds - actually among the 1-3 year olds it is expected to hit 1:30 - usually autistic children are slimmer
+ basic perception on healthy food and less reliance on formula at least for children is more prevalent - the mommy blogs are doing something good there

However all of this will not go on when the girls hit their sexual prime (16 not 36) and find out that even with 40 pounds more they are hot shit.


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RE: Is there any chance the obesity epidemic will reverse in our lifetimes?
Zel and Speak!!! Where were the trigger warnings! Laugh

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(03-29-2015 05:41 PM)rpg Wrote:  Weight loss surgery is booming. People are going under the knife for bypass and lapband in droves. I know 5 personally.
What needs to be communicated as obvious common knowledge is processed flour and high fructose corn syrup along with milk/ice cream make people fat as hell.
Why do people NOT know this is because the powers that be make billions off of shitty food!
Our country is heading toward a real caste system. Fat useless broke dumb asses at the bottom and health conscious intelligent upper classes on top.

Sadly surgery is temporary and they will just get fat again in places that will look more hideous because the fat needs to go somewhere.

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