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Awesome. They're trying to bury this once and for all on a holiday weekend. Lynch admits her behavior was so inappropriate that she wouldn't do it again, but it wasn't so bad that she'll put a special prosecutor on the case.
07-02-2016 12:48 PM
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Will this ever actually hurt her in the general election? I somehow doubt it, unless there is something really bad in the emails and wikileaks leaks it and the various news organizations actually pick it up and run with it.

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FBI Grills Hillary for More Than Three Hours, Witness Cheryl Mills Seen at Residence

Quote: Secretary Clinton gave a voluntary interview this morning about her email arrangements while she was Secretary. She is pleased to have had the opportunity to assist the Department of Justice in bringing this review to a conclusion. Out of respect for the investigative process, she will not comment further on her interview.

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Quote:voluntary
http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidenti...ree-hours/


Laugh3

Like one person under FBI investigation can volunteer to interview.
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Voluntary my ass.

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I hope she undergoes a similarly voluntary indictment.

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I know that the emails are what's on everyone's mind right now, but an indictment is a very long shot. The people who decide whether or not to indict are all within the executive branch, i.e. under Obama's control. Lynch, without recusing her, has deferred to the FBI. And basically, Obama tells the FBI director, that regardless of the outcome of the investigation, there is to be no indictment. If he doesn't comply, fire him. Repeat as many times as necessary until he finds someone who will agree not to indict. It's a page right out of Nixon's playbook.

But, there's a different question that Hillary needs to answer.

I want her to answer, preferably on live TV, "Did OJ do it?"

There's no answer that will not offend her alliance of supporters. Say no, she alienates the white women who think that OJ is a textbook case of domestic violence. Say yes, and she pisses off the blacks, a majority of whom believe that OJ is innocent.

Her most likely answer is that it has no bearing on the Presidency, but it's the type of question that will fluster her, and I doubt she will have a response prepared ahead of time.
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Trump just tweeted that Hillary isn't going to be indicted.

http://www.infowars.com/trump-sources-sa...d-hillary/

The Clinton crime syndicate is simply too big to fail.

07-02-2016 05:56 PM
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Half my mind is in agreement with Bacchus on his take that she will absolutely not be indicted - that the pressure on the FBI not to do it is simply too extreme.

The other half...well.

Read this. It's long, and considering it came from the 'Chans, it's 99% likely to be pure Aspergers fantasy. But damned if it doesn't put the seed of doubt in my mind. And I have no doubt whatsoever that Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton absolutely have nothing but the most arrant hatred for one another. I could see a scenario like this unfolding.

Or it's wishful thinking. Still, I don't know. My gut tells me there's something around the corner that's going to completely blow my mind.
07-02-2016 08:29 PM
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(07-02-2016 08:29 PM)Canopus Wrote:  The other half...well.

Read this. It's long, and considering it came from the 'Chans, it's 99% likely to be pure Aspergers fantasy. But damned if it doesn't put the seed of doubt in my mind. And I have no doubt whatsoever that Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton absolutely have nothing but the most arrant hatred for one another. I could see a scenario like this unfolding.

Or it's wishful thinking. Still, I don't know. My gut tells me there's something around the corner that's going to completely blow my mind.

Even if Obama and Hillary still hate each other, Obama needs Hillary to cement his legacy. If Trump wins, he undoes most of Obama's accomplishments (e.g. Obamacare). Basically, he would be the guy who got Bin Laden, but whose globalism the voters rejected at the end of his term. Trump would make Obama's Presidency largely irrelevant, so Obama will do what he can to prevent that.
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(07-02-2016 08:29 PM)Canopus Wrote:  Half my mind is in agreement with Bacchus on his take that she will absolutely not be indicted - that the pressure on the FBI not to do it is simply too extreme.

The other half...well.

Read this. It's long, and considering it came from the 'Chans, it's 99% likely to be pure Aspergers fantasy. But damned if it doesn't put the seed of doubt in my mind. And I have no doubt whatsoever that Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton absolutely have nothing but the most arrant hatred for one another. I could see a scenario like this unfolding.

Or it's wishful thinking. Still, I don't know. My gut tells me there's something around the corner that's going to completely blow my mind.

Or maybe Hillary really is above the law. I read all of your link, it sounds pretty whack but would explain some of what's going on, such as Trump using zero ground game.

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(07-02-2016 09:35 PM)Bacchus Wrote:  
(07-02-2016 08:29 PM)Canopus Wrote:  The other half...well.

Read this. It's long, and considering it came from the 'Chans, it's 99% likely to be pure Aspergers fantasy. But damned if it doesn't put the seed of doubt in my mind. And I have no doubt whatsoever that Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton absolutely have nothing but the most arrant hatred for one another. I could see a scenario like this unfolding.

Or it's wishful thinking. Still, I don't know. My gut tells me there's something around the corner that's going to completely blow my mind.

Even if Obama and Hillary still hate each other, Obama needs Hillary to cement his legacy. If Trump wins, he undoes most of Obama's accomplishments (e.g. Obamacare). Basically, he would be the guy who got Bin Laden, but whose globalism the voters rejected at the end of his term. Trump would make Obama's Presidency largely irrelevant, so Obama will do what he can to prevent that.

I think we're looking at some serious brinkmanship here. Obama is going to dangle an indictment over Hillary's head for as long as possible in order to extract as many guarantees as possible. He wont want to give the election to Trump but I seriously think he'd do it if Hillary refused to put her balls in a vice for him.

I'm talking serious leverage. Like handing over enough self incriminating evidence to put her away for life before letting her slide on the FBI charges. The Clintons are in a whole different camp from Obama+co regarding big picture politics. Personally I think he'd rather give the election to Trump than risk Hillary trying to become queen of the whole damn universe.
07-03-2016 08:05 AM
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This ain't over.

Bill has "random" and "benign" conversation with Att. General Lynch days before Hillary's "voluntary" 3+ hr meeting at FBI HQ?

Bernie Sanders hasn't officially dropped out? A career politician who probably knows a few people around town and has access to the insider DC rumor mill?

Laws involving classified material were clearly broken?

VERY dubious stuff with the Foundation and her role as SoS is becoming more publicly known?

DNC convention is just around the corner on July 25th?

This is the calm before the storm.

The sharks are circling.

I have this hunch that an indictment is going to come down prior to July 25th and that Hillary will have to bow out before being officially nominated.

Bill got word that shit was about to go down probably not in Hillary's favor and hence made a last ditch effort to plead with Lynch directly to get her to squash everything on the down-low. Fuck the optics; nothing to lose at this point. Hillary then gives an official on the record interview with the FBI and they are no doubt cross-checking every statement she made to them with all the evidence and other statements they have on file; including stuff from the guy they gave immunity to for information on her and the servers. You don't hand out immunity unless you are gunning to take down a bigger fish. One clear lie to the FBI and she is fucked on that alone.

An indictment post-nomination would be a guaranteed lost for the democrats but an indictment pre-nomination might still be salvageable in democrats eyes.

No way this is over.
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I'm in the camp that thinks that we might actually be better off if Hillary isn't indicted.

If you really think about it, virtually any candidate that could conceivably stand as the Democratic nominee would be more likely to win than Hillary Clinton. She is, by far, the worst nominee for the Democratic Party in living memory. Any other candidate makes Trump's election chances that much more difficult.

I don't agree with those who think that Obama will engineer some sort of rescue of Hillary in the case of the FBI recommending indictment. Remember that Obama and Hillary hate each other - I can't see Obama sacrificing the entirety of his presidential legacy to save the political career of a woman he despises.

As I see it, Obama would gladly take the chance to simultaneously end the political career of Clinton, plant his own hand-picked candidate for the Democratic nomination through backdoor shenanigans in the wake of a Hillary indictment, make it that much harder to Trump to gain the Presidency and undo all of his 'accomplishments', and complete his presidency with a legacy-crowning act of 'supporting the rule of law over petty party politics.'

Hence why I think that the rapidly accelerating speed of the criminal investigation is, more likely than not, in order to formally recommend an indictment before the Democratic National Convention (July 25) and strong-arm Hillary into being replaced by Obama's handpicked choice.

As satisfying as it would be to watch Hillary Clinton do the perp walk, remember that she is nothing but a globalist-owned operative, and an exceedingly flawed and expendable one at that. Taking the long-view of the current situation is what we need to do. Better that Trump can use Hillary's corruption and crookedness as a cudgel than the globalists having to merely replace one puppet with another.

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3 weeks until the convention and Ive given up on indictments. The AG has blatantly telegraphed that she will stall this thing until after the election. I don't see her following through with FBI recommendations either. We already know HRC broke at least 4 federal laws and I imagine the Assange leaks multiplying this to 12 won't change anything. The average person has no idea what is going on and unless she is convicted and put in an orange jump suit people will think the MSM is talking about e-mails and it doesn't matter.

Im thinking a week after the convention HRC will see a significant dip in her numbers. Between salty berner's, wikileaks and her being perceived as being "above the law"... This will hurt her. Will it stick though?
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https://www.rt.com/usa/349398-clinton-nb...rrogation/

Quote:After FBI grilling, Hillary Clinton calls husband's chat with Attorney General 'chance meeting'

Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton said her husband Bill’s meeting with US Attorney General Loretta Lynch at Phoenix, Arizona’s Sky Harbor Airport was not related to the Federal Bureau of Investigation's email probe and was nothing more than a “chance meeting at an airport tarmac.”

Clinton made the comments during her first media interview since being interrogated by the FBI for more than three hours on Saturday.




The former secretary of state spoke with NBC’s Chuck Todd on Meet the Press over the phone, telling him firstly she had been “eager” for the FBI interrogation and was "pleased to have the opportunity to assist the department in bringing its review to a conclusion."

The FBI grilling came more than a year after Clinton admitted using a private email server for official emails, hundreds of which were classified, during her time as America’s top diplomat.

Clinton refused to comment, however, on news reports that a decision not to file charges against her would be announced in the coming weeks:
“I am not going to comment… I have no knowledge of any timeline – this is entirely up to the department.”

Lynch, who was nominated to her current position by President Barack Obama in 2014, declared earlier this week she would accept recommendations from career prosecutors and the bureau she oversees in response to backlash for her 'Sky Harbor summit' with the former president on Monday.

Lynch said the meeting was purely “social” with grandchildren as the main topic. The two go way back after 'Grandpa Bill' appointed her as a US attorney in 1999 during his presidency.

Hillary Clinton echoed Lynch’s words during her Meet the Press interview, telling Todd she first heard about the incident from the news and described it as “a short, chance meeting at an airport tarmac.”

She laughed off the idea that her husband and the Attorney General discussed the Department of Justice’s review of her email probe.

“Both of their planes, as I understand it, were landing on the same tarmac at about the same time, and the Attorney General's husband was there, they said hello, they talked about grandkids, which is very much on our minds these days, golf, their mutual friend, former Attorney General Janet Reno, it was purely social,” the former New York Senator said.

When asked if she thought her husband should have known better, she replied,
“Well, I think hindsight's 20/20. Both the attorney general and my husband have said that they wouldn't do it again even though it was, from all accounts that I have heard and seen, an exchange of pleasantries. But obviously, no one wants to see any untoward conclusions drawn, and they said they would not do it again.”


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Oh it was just about grandkids and golf. Everything is fine then. My bad!

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It seems like the two most likely outcomes of a pre-nomination indictment are

a) Biden runs - will not be anywhere near as successful as if he had just won the nomination in the primaries. To an extent he'd be tainted by Clinton's criminal behaviour, as he was in the same administration. He will also be seen as representing a party in total disarray.

b) Sanders runs - the right-wing media will leave his campaign dead in the water after one week. For all the fervour surrounding him on the internet and social media and in the CBF-voting demographic, if he couldn't beat Clinton, he doesn't have a chance vs Trump. And again, he will be tainted by association and seen to represent a party that is in disarray. Average voters aren't r/politics readers who know that Sanders 'isn't like her at all!'

That said I don't think an indictment is even a likely outcome, as much as I want it to be.
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Wikileaks put out the email archive.

Wikileaks Clinton Email Archive
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(07-04-2016 12:52 PM)Adonis Wrote:  Wikileaks put out the email archive.

Wikileaks Clinton Email Archive

Via Breitbart:
Quote:WikiLeaks Releases Over 1,000 Clinton Iraq War Emails
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WikiLeaks has released 1,258 of Hillary Clinton’s emails in relation to the Iraq war, preceding the British Chilcot report on the conflict set to be released later this week.

WikiLeaks tweeted a link to their email archive from their official Twitter page today. Wikileaks appears to have a substantial amount of information on Clinton, having already released a large archive of Clinton’s emails earlier in the year. Breitbart has previously reported on Julian Assange’s claims that Google is complicit in the managing of Clintons online media campaign.

https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/749927529457352704

Released only a week after Bill Clinton’s meeting with Attorney General, Loretta Lynch and a day after Huma Abedins admission that Hillary Clinton had burned daily schedules, the contents of Hillary’s released emails, containing multiple interactions between Clinton and multiple white house officials, could be extremely damaging to Clinton’s current presidential campaign.

WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange has previously stated that he has multiple leaks in store for Clinton and, as a free speech fundamentalist, believes that a Clinton presidency could be damaging.

“Of course, when she is in power…she is a problem for freedom of speech. We know what she is going to do. She made the chart for the destruction of Libya—she was involved in the process of taking the Libyan armory and sending it to Syria” said Assange in a video posted to YouTube.

With considerable criticism of Hillary’s work as Secretary of State and her recent comments expressing her regret at voting for the Iraq war, these leaked emails could be a source of insight into the presumptive Democratic nominee’s approach to foreign policy.
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(07-04-2016 12:52 PM)Adonis Wrote:  Wikileaks put out the email archive.

Wikileaks Clinton Email Archive

Looking through this I found a gem...

https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/16956

Quote:From: Jake Sullivan
To: Hillary Clinton
Date: 2013-01-25 23:39
Subject: HERE IS THE TOPPER I DID

If wasn't as sharp as it should be because it was the first question and I hadn't collected my thoughts:

QUESTION: Okay. What would be — I have some specific questions, but before I ask them —specific ones, maybe just from your perspective, I think there — what is it that you think she accomplished as Secretary of State? And also, there's another thing that's a little trickier to get at, but I think it's important, which is that any principal in these administrations, they have an influence within the administration that's not always manifest. Sometimes they don't. Sometimes their advice isn't accepted. But since we're on background and we're not quoting you and all that stuff unless — without your permission, maybe you could give us our take on what you think she's accomplished and where she was — maybe worked within the administration, as any principal does, to try to shape things.

SENIOR STATE DEPARTMENT OFFICIAL: Yeah. So I guess I can talk about my view of her accomplishments at three levels. So the first is the most concrete, and that is specific policy initiatives and diplomacy that produced results. That list includes a major influence on the rebalance to the Asia Pacific in totality and with respect to specific elements like South China Sea diplomacy and the opening to Burma; her role in putting together the coalition that led to the fall of Qadhafi; her role in putting together and holding together the coalition on Iran sanctions; her role in putting together an effective partnership with ISAF countries to do both the increase in troops, including the troop contributions from those other countries as well as their contributions to the ANSF and Afghanistan's economic development agenda going forward; her role in the Gaza ceasefire. [Here you could add the Sudan-South Sudan oil deal, the NATO strategic concept, the New START treaty, responding to the coup in Honduras, Haiti earthquake response, and her role in national security decisions like bin Laden.] So you've got a set of kind of very specific accomplishments that you can take a look at. The second level is what she did to sort of reorient the building, to change the way this building does business. And there you have an economic statecraft agenda that has put economics more at the center of our foreign policy, both on the commercial diplomacy side and in terms of using economics as a tool of statecraft. So in the Middle East and North Africa; through the New Silk Road, et cetera. Her technology and innovation agenda, putting women at the center of basically every aspect of diplomacy and development, elevating development as a core pillar of American power. So a set of fundamental institutional changes that really mark a profound difference in the way diplomacy is practiced and institutional changes within the State Department from the creation of new bureaus to changed practices, changed training, changed promotion principles and so forth, that are all sort of collectively embodied in the QDDR but can be parceled out in more concrete terms. And then the third and I think most profound impact that she's had over the last four years has to do with American — the question of American leadership and what diplomacy looks like today as compared with 60 years ago. So your present at the creation generation, your Achesons, basically could create a few major organizations, and that is the global architecture —the UN, the Bretton-Woods system, NATO. Today you don't — you have to deal with an exponentially greater number of actors, both on the government side and the nongovernment side. So it's not about creating or advancing a couple of institutions. It's about putting the U.S. at the center of an incredible number of different types of partnerships and networks, some of which are formal institutions, some of which are strategic dialogues, some of which are public-private. And if you look at the list of things that she has done to build that and the way in which she has made the job of Secretary of State be a constant gardener. From the Global Counterterrorism Forum to the Climate and Clean Air Coalition to her work with ASEAN and the Arab League and the AU to this entire operation around public-private partnerships to her reaching beyond government to engage with the private sector, civil society, et cetera, that, I think, is going to have to be the way that the United States practices leadership in mobilizing coalitions of actors to solve global problems. And it's going to be marked by persistent shoe-leather diplomacy combined with kind of innovative networks and new ways of doing business. And the results are going to come drop by drop as opposed to in big sweeping changes. And I think her recognizing the moment that we're in, the landscape that we face, and adjusting America's role and the role of American diplomacy is probably going to end up over time being her most profound legacy. And just on that point, I would add that it's easy to forget now four years later just what a deep hole we were in when she came into office. So much of the work that she had to do was repair work, restoring our alliances, both in Europe and in the Asia Pacific; strengthening partnerships with the emerging powers that were on more shaky foundations; returning the United States to the center of various international institutions; elevating our standing and our voice at not just policy levels but at values levels. And now we're sort of used to an Obama-Clinton era in foreign policy, but back when we started things looked a heck of a lot different. So she deserves a lot of credit for that too.

Look like this email is from Jake Sullivan to Hillary about a TV interview he did or had someone do. Look at the list of accomplishments listed. The overthrow of Gaddafi? Has lead to insane chaos in the middle east and Europe.

South China Sea diplomacy? Now China is building a floating fort in the middle of the pacific. Guess they didn't take grandma Clinton too seriously.

Iran sanctions? Have been totally undone by Obama and Sec. Kerry.

ISAF and Afghanistan - nothing has improved in that region. Zero economic activity as well.

Gaza ceasefire? Right, that didn't last more than a day.

Basically every one of her accomplishments are total failures. Jake Sullivan, a top Clinton foreign policy advisor, cannot list accomplishments that stand up to any sort of scrutiny. If the people who work for Clinton cannot name anything substantive then there's no way anyone else on the street will.

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(07-02-2016 05:56 PM)eskimobobseal Wrote:  Trump just tweeted that Hillary isn't going to be indicted.

http://www.infowars.com/trump-sources-sa...d-hillary/

The Clinton crime syndicate is simply too big to fail.

Exactly. They're too big to fail, and there's too many billions "invested" in them for her to go down.

However there is still a lot to be gained by an investigation. It gives other vested interests in government (Obama, federal agency bureaucrats) enormous leverage over Hillary. I predict that the FBI will as a result never have to deal with their proposed budget being denied.
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Finally made it back home. I'm setting aside some hours to read through this stuff. I'll get back to your question Cobra.

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So far the word on the street is that these are not anything new but repackaged emails. Seems like it so far.

I did find this interesting one that involves her Rothschild buddy. Not sure how I missed this one before if it is a rehash, but I did not read every email. No way I have that much time on my hands.

https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/1570

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