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The endless corruption continues...

http://dailycaller.com/2016/06/30/exclus...27-months/

Quote:Department of Justice officials filed a motion in federal court late Wednesday seeking a 27-month delay in producing correspondence between former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s four top aides and officials with the Clinton Foundation and Teneo Holdings, a closely allied public relations firm that Bill Clinton helped launch.

If the court permits the delay, the public won’t be able to read the communications until October 2018, about 22 months into her prospective first term as President. The four senior Clinton aides involved were Deputy Assistant Secretary of State Michael Fuchs, Ambassador-At-Large Melanne Verveer, Chief of Staff Cheryl Mills, and Deputy Chief of Staff Huma Abedin.

2 years and 3 months delay you say? Sounds totally reasonable! Why not make it 2 years and 4 months just to make an even number?

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Playing hardball eh Lynch and Obama?

Julian and wikileaks need to hurry up and cough up that password to the dump then.

The court of public opinion is all that we have left at this point.

If that fails to produce we are all out of luck and there will be no justice.

This is our generations Iran Contra Affair, maybe bigger. We shall see if America will drop the ball again. This may demonstrate a historical pattern of proof that high level corruption at the highest level of American government is immune to persecution. Watergate may have been the last time the 4th Estate and the system actually worked.

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(06-30-2016 04:28 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  The court of public opinion is all that we have left at this point.

If that fails to produce we are all out of luck and there will be no justice.

I have a bad feeling about this in general. The e-mail thing is complex and the mainstream (liberal) opinion seems to be "it's just a bunch of e-mails no big deal!" The left ridicules it as a right wing sticking point that is baseless. Unfortunately, I don't believe the American attention span is enough to look into this serious matter with any degree of objectivity.

The leaks should probably be made public asap. So at least some important pieces can filter into the public consciousness.

Hillary's arrogance and paranoia at shifting highly sensitive e-mails to a server in her own home with her own non secure "system" in place jives with her personality too.

In that book Crisis of Character it's mentioned several times how insanely paranoid and childish Hillary is. Her neuroticism and paranoia is even typical of borderline personality disorders.

It's frightening that America might elect a dangerously paranoid and spiteful individual into the whitehouse. This isn't a mere character flaw but possible insanity.
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(06-30-2016 04:37 PM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  
(06-30-2016 04:28 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  The court of public opinion is all that we have left at this point.

If that fails to produce we are all out of luck and there will be no justice.

I have a bad feeling about this in general. The e-mail thing is complex and the mainstream (liberal) opinion seems to be "it's just a bunch of e-mails no big deal!" The left ridicules it as a right wing sticking point that is baseless. Unfortunately, I don't believe the American attention span is enough to look into this serious matter with any degree of objectivity.

The leaks should probably be made public asap. So at least some important pieces can filter into the public consciousness.

Hillary's arrogance and paranoia at shifting highly sensitive e-mails to a server in her own home with her own non secure "system" in place jives with her personality too.

In that book Crisis of Character it's mentioned several times how insanely paranoid and childish Hillary is. Her neuroticism and paranoia is even typical of borderline personality disorders.

It's frightening that America might elect a dangerously paranoid and spiteful individual into the whitehouse. This isn't a mere character flaw but possible insanity.

I am now worried about that as well. Our public is terrible for a lack of better word. Trump has woken up some, but not really enough to matter. I have zero faith in the courts to deny that motion. They are stalling this to give them enough time to fix the evidence.

If anything it may show us all that our system of government has yet another serious flaw, that was not taken into account when created. Jefferson saw this coming, in terms of what he called "factions" (lobbyists), but what happens with all 3 branches no longer police each other? This is collusion on a grand scale. The 4th Estate/Branch (The Media) is no longer the muckraker it used to be. Obama has imprisoned many and no news outlet is willing to test his thuggery again. The Media is incredibly money driven and corrupted by the same "factions" as well.

If the people do not make a stand and won't put pressure on all 4 branches, we deserve the government we get. TPTB have done a good job on destroying American intellect, rigging the system, and destroying the family. It's time to see what the American public is made of and if they have the will to stand up for what is right.

Let's see if Susan Sarandon and all the Bernie Supporters make a stand as well. He and Trump might want to considering seeing if they can get a counter motion filed (not likely to work). These are trying times we live in. All of the safeguards of our system are failing or already failed. If we fail, this country will hit a new low. Hillary will turn the country into another Autocracy government, like China. She will use those Executive Orders like they are bill proposals.

Should Trump win, he should step on Hillary's throat and use all the resources of the country to bring her to justice. This precedence needs to stop, it's hurting our country's system of governance. As much as he does not like her, I would not be surprised if he lets her go or pardons her.

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Hillary will skate.

Only Trump winning and/or an FBI revolt can stop this hag. If I were Assange, I'd give the FBI 2 more weeks tops before I leaked everything.. Based on the Lynch/bill meeting FBI recommendations have happened. FBI need to revolt now.
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(06-30-2016 05:49 PM)[email protected] Wrote:  Hillary will skate.

Only Trump winning and/or an FBI revolt can stop this hag. If I were Assange, I'd give the FBI 2 more weeks tops before I leaked everything.. Based on the Lynch/bill meeting FBI recommendations have happened. FBI need to revolt now.
To hell with giving them 2 weeks. 2 weeks is ample time for the Brits to storm the embassy and seize him. They've been itching to do that since he arrived, and I have no doubt that something of that magnitude would give them a green light. He needs to do it and stop dicking around.
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I thought wikileaks already leaked everything back in March?


http://theantimedia.org/wikileaks-drops-...nsored-it/

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So I saw Independence Day: Resurgence and I'd make a 90% bet that the female President was trying to sound like Hillary Clinton (or that she was trained to sound like her).. Subtle techniques to influence voters.
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Yeah, but how soon in the movie was she killed off?

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http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/07/02/us/...0&referer=

Not sure what to make of this. I feel like anxious and euphoric at the same time.
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(06-30-2016 05:49 PM)[email protected] Wrote:  Hillary will skate.

Only Trump winning and/or an FBI revolt can stop this hag. If I were Assange, I'd give the FBI 2 more weeks tops before I leaked everything.. Based on the Lynch/bill meeting FBI recommendations have happened. FBI need to revolt now.

Impossible.

It does not work that way. Without giving a class on Separation of Powers and basic law, the FBI/Police/ATF/DEA/US Marshals all fall under the purview of the Executive Branch (Obama Administration). They just execute the law as it is written. They can make arrests on crimes in progress and charge individuals with a crime (eg. Bank Robbery). For those not in progress, they have to recommend a charge.

Lynch is in the Judiciary. (All federal courts, circuit courts, even local courts and state courts). They can accept or decline the charges the Executive Branch members present to them for prosecution. They can accept 1 charge, all of them, or none of them. (They usually have to give good reasons, but that's a long discussion)

Police or FBI cannot "revolt" on matters such as this. If they did their part under the law, they have no other recourse. Real talk, the only thing federal officers/employees revolt over, would be benefits or pay. The only thing anyone truly cares about, their individual pocket books. If Lynch won't present formal charges and request an arrest warrant, those agents that worked 12 hours a day for a year on the case might be pissed off, one might quit in anger, the others get reassigned and move on, and the one that quit might write a book and make some money.

They present charges all the time. It's part of the job. They might have wanted to charge the Orlando shooter with a crime, but were maybe told by a federal prosecutor that there was not enough for him to work with, to get a conviction.

One big difference between Federal and State/Local law enforcement is that Federal tends to only move on someone when they have a 99% chance of a conviction. If they only have a 85% chance, they sit on their fucking hands and continue to watch the bad guys, which usually include politicians, mafia, drug cartel people, high profile celebrities, etc. When they fuck up cases in court, they looks super bad in the public eye and it embarrases the White House, although it really shouldn't.

That said, they almost never fuck up a case because they tend not to present nothing that is not a smoking gun. Any high end criminal lawyer will tell you, if you ask them, that the Feds (FBI, etc) are extremely good at wiretaps and collecting evidence. One once told me, that most of the time, you just have to see what kind of deal you can work out with them on behalf of the client, because attacking the evidence would get too expensive or is technically too difficult to do so (like you admitting to the crime over a wire tap in your house).

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(06-30-2016 10:00 PM)eradicator Wrote:  I thought wikileaks already leaked everything back in March?


http://theantimedia.org/wikileaks-drops-...nsored-it/

They did not release the password for the zip file yet. They just released the batch as an insurance policy. (They send UK soldiers into the embassy to get Julian, kidnap or kill Wikileaks editors, contributors, etc.)

They did the same thing for the Embassy Cables Leak. The stuff in there was a historian's wet dream. I spent 10 hours reading those. Stuff you would have had to wait 50 years for a FOIA request to get.

That was a tremendous leak.

If they withheld the password, I am guessing there is pure dynamite in there.

I hope there is an email in there from Hillary or Bill saying something nasty about black people, other liberals, or something like that. I want to see something that will crush the pretty little lies that I cannot crush in a two hour diatribe at a dinner table with blue pill relatives.

For a person that used to be in the Dem party many years ago and got to see and hear alot of the dirt the Clintons did, you cannot tell anyone else that did not, and expect them to believe it. It's like telling an old black person that JFK was a flaming racist. They won't believe you.

Something better be in that dump that we can use to shove the dog nose into the dog shit, so people can understand just how evil the Clintons are. It will be a bonus if there are some red pills in that dump too. Like TPTB, globalist agenda, and the way the world works type of shit.

I cannot wait to start reading these.

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(07-01-2016 06:56 AM)[email protected] Wrote:  http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/07/02/us/...0&referer=

Not sure what to make of this. I feel like anxious and euphoric at the same time.

I think this is a smokescreen. They already filed the motion to delay. She is using a standard diversionary technique. Look at this hand while the other punches you. Of course she will accept something from them. It may not be a jailable offense, but she might take something from the Jr prosecutors and the FBI.

Quote:The F.B.I. is expected to make a recommendation to the Justice Department in the coming weeks, though agents have yet to interview Mrs. Clinton.

Yeah right. I will believe that when I see it. They have been saying this since Feb.

Doesn't matter because like Samseau pointed out, they submitted a motion to delay.

By the way, Judicial Watch is going to submit their own motion against that one. I am tempted to make a donation to them. They are a conservative legal action organization. Kind of like an ACLU but only for targeted conservative causes, FOIA violations, and liberal political corruption. They seem to have strong ties to Supreme Court Judge Samuel Alito.

http://www.judicialwatch.org/

Like a good BJJ submission, we need 3-4 points of pressure to make the Clintons submit.

I think the Wikileaks dump is key to making it happen. If something nasty is in there, it should help Judicial Watch, the other anti-hillary dems, and Trump of course.

I don't think it is possible to file an emergency motion to block Hillary from the ballot. She does not have a felony conviction (yet). So Trump cannot use that.

I wonder what Julian is waiting for. Is he waiting for the FBI to recommend a charge first to see if what they have matches up with what they have, in order to humiliate the FBI as incompetent? (remember they want him arrested as well)

I hope he is not waiting for Hillary to get too strong before releasing it. That is just stupid. Momentum is everything in elections.

Like Trump said, last night, I'm stunned. Until someone with the keys to anything makes a move right now, there is not much that can be done right now.

EDIT: I think I misread/mispoke on something. They filed a motion to delay the documents being visible to the public. So basically the public won't be able to follow along with a trial (documents wise). A closed door case could kill the whole thing. That is what the Judicial Watch is trying to prevent, but if there are Top Secret or even Secret items in those emails, they won't see the light of day no matter what. What is not clear to me, is if the Judge does not grant the motion, how much would we get to see anyway? It will be alot easier for them to get away with this crime if the public cannot follow along with the case proceedings. I'm not even sure the press would be allowed in to watch either. Is there anyone else on the forum that would have insight on this?

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Pretty sure wikileaks is sifting through the emails and redacting info that will harm national security but leaving in parts that show grounds for indictment. This takes time and man-hours. He is most likely waiting for indictment or giving the system the benefit of the doubt before he drops it. Timing is everything though. If he drops it now it gives the MSM time to do damage control. Maybe it's best to leak this closer to November? I imagine the email leak would put Trump ahead.
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(07-01-2016 08:35 AM)[email protected] Wrote:  Pretty sure wikileaks is sifting through the emails and redacting info that will harm national security but leaving in parts that show grounds for indictment. This takes time and man-hours. He is most likely waiting for indictment or giving the system the benefit of the doubt before he drops it. Timing is everything though. If he drops it now it gives the MSM time to do damage control. Maybe it's best to leak this closer to November? I imagine the email leak would put Trump ahead.

November would be HORRIBLE. Anyone that works in campaigns will tell you that. Momentum is everything. Consider this scenario. Trump keeps putting his foot in his mouth the next 4 months. Hillary gains 10+ points on him constantly and projections are terrible. Bernie won't likely drop it seems, so he does 3rd leg.

1. If all the stuff drops in November probably more than 50% of Hillary voters are low information (or IDGAF information voters) and won't even realize it and will walk into the polling station and vote Hillary anyway.

2. People won't vote for Trump just because Hillary broke some "IT Law" Your average mug will look at it this way. Single issue voters (card carrying feminists of every flavor), probably won't even vote for Bernie.

3. Hillary is too stubborn to even drop out of the race if charged with a felony even in October. She will just turn into her typical attack dog transformation and hamster spin 100x faster than usual. So a batch release in November really wouldn't make sense.

4. The sooner the information drops, the more time that gives Trump to nail her to a cross, on actual specifics during debates. He is good with jokes. He could mutter several over the duration of the debate cycle in between moderators attempting to stop him from debating the exposed documents. Like a good boxer, get a few body shots in before the referee says break.

The only way November would not be too late, is if she is charged with 10 counts of RICO, 5 counts of Fraud, and 5 more counts of anything else. Even then, that still does not help Trump as much, as if the charges were submitted earlier.

Trump cannot assail her publicly without any ammunition. If the stuff drops this month, he could ride her ass all the way to November with it. Pull stunts and make a circus out of it. Moderate voters looking at Hillary will either decide not to vote at all, switch to Trump, or risk voting for a wacko socialist. Protip: Many will not vote for Bernie no matter what happens to Hillary. He would not stand a chance against Trump and he has little to no vaginal appeal. Trump would have to royally screw up to lose to Bernie.

What's the worse charge Hillary would be looking at anyway?

-RICO statute violation? That's a felony for sure and very serious. If charged with that, the comparisons to Italian Mafia will be on the news 24/7 nonstop.

-Finance Fraud or Embezzlement? That's very serious but only if they can get enough counts and severity for a prison sentence. Can be hard to stick if they cannot directly link her to it. Problem is that many super rich, almost never directly handle their money or business dealings, others that work for them do. CFOs and Treasurers are more likely to be guilty of stuff like this, unlike a CEO.

-Campaign Finance Fraud? Very serious, but escapable for powerful politicians. It's never the death sentence is should be. They can always deflect blame on assistants or accountants/campaign managers.

-Mishandling of classified data? Serious, but not in many people's eyes that never worked public sector or military, essentially escapable.

-Charges of illegal gifts and donations? For powerful politicians, it does not hurt as much as it should. She is not holding an office right now, so she cannot be fired or removed from a current position so that is a non-factor.

I cannot think of anything else charge wise.

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Also, they could write a Powershell or Python script to parse those emails for phone numbers and remove them. Physical addresses might take a little more time, but it's not that bad. Wikileaks people are hackers by nature. I would release anything sans those two factors. Anything else is likely public information you can find at the Tax Office downtown anyway. This is not Europe. This should be well within their skill set to pull off. It really shouldn't take them that long.

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Bill Clinton is one of the most underrated experts on game.

If he was a rvf member he would have more game related rep points than Archie and Gio. Remember Monica and flowers were the ones he was caught with.

He knew approaching Lynch and exploiting her weaknesses as a woman would have hurt the investigation.

Now Lynch is publicly regretting the meeting and allegedly made the FBI agency and the white house furious.

Well played Bubba.

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I'm still not sure how Bill Clinton played this well at all.

The media was sweeping the email scandal under the rug and here comes swinging dick Billy who basically broke the MSM media's liberal barrier to entry and removed much perception of some conservative agenda to make it more real.

I might have just missed something.

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(07-02-2016 10:31 AM)Cobra Wrote:  I'm still not sure how Bill Clinton played this well at all.

The media was sweeping the email scandal under the rug and here comes swinging dick Billy who basically broke the MSM media's liberal barrier to entry and removed much perception of some conservative agenda to make it more real.

I might have just missed something.

He undermined the validity of the investigation and the prosecution by doing that. There will be more calls for people to recuse themselves, but when that happens, momentum and knowledge transfer because an issue moving onto a new team of investigators.

I don't think he exposed the media as a TPTB instead of a liberal/conservative thing. If anything the last 50 big stories this year helped more with that, than what Bubba did.

His stunt might backfire, but Bubba is the king of, "Hey sweetheart, come over here and let me talk to ya." You know he told her something like, "Do what you can to fix Hillary's situation, or maybe even told her that she owes him." She isn't foolish enough to admit that on TV of course.

He gave Lynch her career and he knew she would be silly enough to come over.

That is getting played sir.

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07-02-2016 10:43 AM
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RE: The Hillary Clinton thread
(07-02-2016 10:43 AM)TravelerKai Wrote:  
(07-02-2016 10:31 AM)Cobra Wrote:  I'm still not sure how Bill Clinton played this well at all.

The media was sweeping the email scandal under the rug and here comes swinging dick Billy who basically broke the MSM media's liberal barrier to entry and removed much perception of some conservative agenda to make it more real.

I might have just missed something.

He undermined the validity of the investigation and the prosecution by doing that. There will be more calls for people to recuse themselves, but when that happens, momentum and knowledge transfer because an issue moving onto a new team of investigators.

I don't think he exposed the media as a TPTB instead of a liberal/conservative thing. If anything the last 50 big stories this year helped more with that, than what Bubba did.

His stunt might backfire, but Bubba is the king of, "Hey sweetheart, come over here and let me talk to ya." You know he told her something like, "Do what you can to fix Hillary's situation, or maybe even told her that she owes him." She isn't foolish enough to admit that on TV of course.

He gave Lynch her career and he knew she would be silly enough to come over.

That is getting played sir.

I do see what you mean about the media and the investigation. It makes sense but to me that's semantics or mechanics of the machine. To your point this situation doesn't change that much.

That being said, what I'm hung up on is the 3rd wheel though - the voters and the public at large. I think people are smarter than that. We at the forum blast liberals for being stupid, and rightfully so. However, I think we're underestimating their intelligence and morality as human beings which may give in.

What I'm saying is that now people will be even more pissed even if Bill steered things in a favorable direction for Hillary.

I would love to hear yours and others' thoughts on this.

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07-02-2016 10:51 AM
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Google these if you want to know what laws Hillary broke:

- 18 USC Chapter 73, ~1519

- 18 UCS Section 1924

- 18 UCS Section 793

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Breaking news: Hillary being interviewed about her emails by the FBI right now.

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07-02-2016 11:54 AM
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Hillary Clinton Gives Interview to FBI About Emails, Campaign Says


Quote:Hillary Clinton gave a "voluntary interview" to the FBI today regarding her email arrangements while she was secretary of state, her campaign says.

"Secretary Clinton gave a voluntary interview this morning about her email arrangements while she was Secretary," spokesman Nick Merrill said. "She is pleased to have had the opportunity to assist the Department of Justice in bringing this review to a conclusion. Out of respect for the investigative process, she will not comment further on her interview."

The interview occurred at FBI Headquarters in Washington, D.C., and lasted approximately three and a half hours, according to a Clinton aide.

The FBI is in the final stages of its email-related investigation, looking at how Clinton and her aides handled classified information when she was secretary of state.

The Justice Department's goal is to complete the investigation and make recommendations on whether charges should be filed before the two major party conventions take place toward the latter half of July, according to a source familiar with the investigation.

Officials want ample time to review Clinton's interview and compare it to everything they have discovered in the months-long investigations, according to the source.

Attorney General Loretta Lynch has said she will accept the recommendations of the career prosecutors and investigators regarding the case.

Questions were raised about whether Lynch would be impartial after it was revealed that she and former President Bill Clinton met privately during a chance encounter on the tarmac at Sky Harbor International Airport in Phoenix earlier this week.

"Certainly, my meeting with him raises questions and concerns," Lynch acknowledged on Friday. "It has now cast a shadow over how this case may be perceived, no matter how it's resolved. ... [But] it's important to make it clear that that meeting with President Clinton does not have a bearing on how this matter is going to be reviewed, resolved and accepted by me."

She added, however: "I certainly wouldn't do it again."

Both Lynch and Bill Clinton have insisted the meeting was completely "social," focusing on grandchildren, golf, travel, the Brexit vote, “and things like that," as Lynch put it.

Last year, it was revealed that Clinton had exclusively used her family's private email server for official communications during her tenure as secretary of state. The officials communications included thousands of emails that were later marked classified by the U.S. State Department.

ABC News' Mike Levine, Julia Jacobo and Pierre Thomas contributed to this report.

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