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All we see here is Comey saving his own ass. Now Trump is going to AMOG this clown and do his job for him sooner or later.
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I know logically I shouldn't' let this effect me, but it does. I'm fucking furious.

Do you guys think this will hurt Trump?

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18 U.S. Code § 793 - Gathering, transmitting or losing defense information says nothing about intent or degrees of violation.

Emphasis mine.

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(07-05-2016 11:45 AM)eskimobobseal Wrote:  
(07-05-2016 11:40 AM)Samseau Wrote:  
(07-05-2016 11:33 AM)DannyAlberta Wrote:  Hillary Clinton will be POTUS.

It's the absolute worst thing that could happen, so I'm now officially booking it.

Things have to get a lot worse (a LOT worse) in the West before they start to get better again.

Snap out of it man. This scandal crushes her numbers with Republicans and Independents.

I can actually see the narrative being that the issue is "put to bed" now, CNN immediately said that a "massive weight" had been lifted off Hillary's shoulders after the announcement by Comey.

That press conference was unreal, despite it being confirmed that Hillary lied about sending/receiving classified information - she gets off with nothing. Not even a slap on the wrist.

It would be one thing if Comey came out and said 'Yeah we didn't find enough evidence to prosecute criminal charges,' or some other sort of vague statement, it would be easy to blanket this with put to bed.

However, he just came out and basically said 'she did these specific things, but we're not going to do anything about it.' There is no way for the media to say it's put to bed without then being forced to admit, point blank that the rules are different for the Clintons, and they're ok with it.

It's one of those situations the MSM can't BS its way out of, which is a win for our side. The narrative they ultimately come up is irrelevant. Any pro Clinton spin will necessarily be tinged with clear, incontrovertible BS, while the truth is damning.
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(07-05-2016 11:46 AM)DannyAlberta Wrote:  ^ All she seems to have to say is Trump is a "scary racist" and it collapses his vote.

Oh yes, because that worked so well with Brexit didn't it?

Quote:Everyone believes her lies. Society is now set up to help useless people like her succeed on the backs of everyone else.

No one except the most devout believe her.

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The appalling thing is that it sets the precedent for others to do the same or even worse than she did.

In the event this criminal wins, what's the likelihood of congress launching their own investigation and perhaps an impeachment proceeding? Can't congress subpoena the findings of the FBI? Bill's impeachment started with a congressional investigation of whitewater.

I'm thinking Comey was afraid of getting the Vince Foster treatment.
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Clinton Campaign speech/stop with Obama https://www.facebook.com/hillaryclinton/...=2&theater of course its streaming on facebook...Cuckerburg is with her.

Obama, he is using the campaign charisma I remember from 2008, he is an excellent campaigner. Trump supporters are in the comments. Hillary is going to need Obama to debate Trump instead of her.

edit: and there are a number of obvious nigerian paid facebook shills declaring their vote for Clinton in the comments.

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(07-05-2016 02:49 PM)porscheguy Wrote:  The appalling thing is that it sets the precedent for others to do the same or even worse than she did.

In the event this criminal wins, what's the likelihood of congress launching their own investigation and perhaps an impeachment proceeding? Can't congress subpoena the findings of the FBI? Bill's impeachment started with a congressional investigation of whitewater.

I'm thinking Comey was afraid of getting the Vince Foster treatment.

Seems like he was. Either that or their shining intelligence reflects that of their Orlando shooter lackey.

If I remember correctly, the Republicans had a nice majority in the House back then. Plenty in Republican leadership hated the Clintons with a passion. When Hillary spoke about "The Vast Right Wing Conspiracy" constantly gunning for them, she really wasn't lying about that.

I don't think we have anything close to that these days. That was like those old-school days of politics. Newt and his gang took certain things very seriously. Your average congressional house member is so wealthy these days compared to back then, less duty-minded, and less vindictive in a way.

Things were very tit for tat back then. Today's parties are pretty similar to how NBA players are all buddies these days, unlike when Jordan and his generation played and hated each other. Sometimes I cannot tell whose side anyone is actually on.

Problem with Hillary is that she currently does not hold any office or job in government. Otherwise, she would have been removed or impeached. If she were to become president, I do not think they can use this against her to remove her from office. I'm not saying it's impossible, just extremely unlikely.

Paul Ryan seems spineless and that is a pity, because the Republicans have a bigger majority right now in the House. I think it's even bigger than back in the 90s with Newt, but like I said earlier, times are very different.

Maybe there is a chance he was waiting for the FBI to finish before appointing a special investigator... He did make it very clear the House would do nothing until the FBI was done with their investigation. Maybe he wants to invoke the walk softly and carry a big stick mantra.

You might be on to something Porcheguy. Realistically corruption this high up the food chain, is technically a responsibility of Congress to deal with. There was a reason the House was given this power and not the Senate or others.

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(07-05-2016 12:40 PM) JAMES COMEY Wrote:  To be clear, this is not to suggest that in similar circumstances, a person who engaged in this activity would face no consequences. To the contrary, those individuals are often subject to security or administrative sanctions."
"But that is not what we are deciding now

Yes Mr Comey you are correct, if anyone else did this then they would at least face administration or security related punishment. This includes military personnel such as Bryan Nishimura.

Quote:SACRAMENTO, CA—Bryan H. Nishimura, 50, of Folsom, pleaded guilty today to unauthorized removal and retention of classified materials, United States Attorney Benjamin B. Wagner announced.

U.S. Magistrate Judge Kendall J. Newman immediately sentenced Nishimura to two years of probation, a $7,500 fine, and forfeiture of personal media containing classified materials. Nishimura was further ordered to surrender any currently held security clearance and to never again seek such a clearance.

According to court documents, Nishimura was a Naval reservist deployed in Afghanistan in 2007 and 2008. In his role as a Regional Engineer for the U.S. military in Afghanistan, Nishimura had access to classified briefings and digital records that could only be retained and viewed on authorized government computers. Nishimura, however, caused the materials to be downloaded and stored on his personal, unclassified electronic devices and storage media. He carried such classified materials on his unauthorized media when he traveled off-base in Afghanistan and, ultimately, carried those materials back to the United States at the end of his deployment. In the United States, Nishimura continued to maintain the information on unclassified systems in unauthorized locations, and copied the materials onto at least one additional unauthorized and unclassified system.

Nishimura’s actions came to light in early 2012, when he admitted to Naval personnel that he had handled classified materials inappropriately. Nishimura later admitted that, following his statement to Naval personnel, he destroyed a large quantity of classified materials he had maintained in his home. Despite that, when the Federal Bureau of Investigation searched Nishimura’s home in May 2012, agents recovered numerous classified materials in digital and hard copy forms. The investigation did not reveal evidence that Nishimura intended to distribute classified information to unauthorized personnel.

https://m.fbi.gov/#https://www.fbi.gov/s...-materials

Literally the same situation. This agent mishandled Intel on a private server and deleted it. Some animals are more equal than others.

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(07-05-2016 02:52 PM)Dr. Howard Wrote:  Clinton Campaign speech/stop with Obama https://www.facebook.com/hillaryclinton/...=2&theater of course its streaming on facebook...Cuckerburg is with her.

Obama, he is using the campaign charisma I remember from 2008, he is an excellent campaigner. Trump supporters are in the comments. Hillary is going to need Obama to debate Trump instead of her.

edit: and there are a number of obvious nigerian paid facebook shills declaring their vote for Clinton in the comments.

speech summary: Hillary Clinton needs to fire her speech writers. Not only is she a boring public speaker but her speech was just all counter points to Trump, it was none of her own policy. Trump has her, and her followers talking about him. Obama on the other hand is a dangerous adversary. He is in his element with speeches like this.

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Not surprised with today's news because I always believe that HRC thinks she is above the law and untouchable. She knows she can get away with a lot of shit. For example:
* Clinton is a brand name recognition in the world of politics;
* Clinton Foundation is a corporate shell (charity, my ass) that consists of people with power, money, control and influence (domestic & international);
* most MSM, search engines (i.e., Google) and social media giants (i.e., Facebook, Twitter) fully supports Clinton to manipulate and fool the American people into supporting or voting for her during the election year by providing positive news headlines.

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(07-05-2016 12:34 PM)robreke Wrote:  I never even entertained the thought that Hillary would be prosecuted.

It just wasn't going to happen. Roosh has a good new video on his website about The Future of Our World.

I'm paraphrasing but in it, he states something to the effect of - 'if one knows what's going on in the world now and the nature of the battle between the globalist elites and the nationalists and what their strategies and goals are, one can quite accurately predict the
future'

http://www.rooshv.com/watch-the-future-of-the-world

He's right about that.

Therefore, knowing the globalists are still firmly in control of many areas and their agenda for the USA and the world's political/economic and social direction, it was easy to predict that there was no way, no way, anything was going to be brought against her.

It was not going to be allowed.

Which should be a worry for Trump because he could end up on the wrong end of a gun by some "crazed guy". The people associated with the Clinton Foundation have killed many people for less.

Trump just doesn't figure into their plans.
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Incredible.

I'm ex-military and have handled and worked with classified material and know the ins and outs VERY well. This is insane.

This FBI fuckstick straight up admitted publicly that she was very negligent with top secret documents and she WALKS without even a slap on the wrist?! She had a HIDDEN FUCKING SERVER WITH CLASSIFIED INFO RUNNING THROUGH IT!

Lack of intent is NOT an excuse for mishandling classified material.

I've known of people who have accidentally left a fuckin door open or didn't secure a door properly FOR A FEW MINUTES to a room full of classified material AND despite there being several layers of additional security (a base, secured door outside, etc), THOSE people got slammed HARD for even POTENTIALLY compromising classified info. Even if the compromise was only for a few minutes with physical items (not digital) that realistically no one could get access to, ALL THE CLASSIFIED MATERIAL MUST BE DESTROYED ANN REPLACED WITHIN THE ENTIRE classified materials community. Shit is a headache and costs real money and man hours. I know from direct experience (not my fuck up; someone else).

People seriously go to jail, pay large fines, and/or get career ending paperwork/charges for shit like this; even if only over an honest accident. For those not on the inside or understand how things works: you can't even begin to understand the (understandably) anal retentive procedures and policies that govern classified materials and the potential consequences that can occur if you don't respect how shit roles.

AND THIS CUNT WALKS GIVEN WHAT SHE DID?!?!

Fuck this.

God helps us if Trump doesn't win the election. At the very least, hopefully some people will see the gross double standard. Hopefully.
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(07-05-2016 04:49 PM)The Black Knight Wrote:  Incredible.

I'm ex-military and have handled and worked with classified material and know the ins and outs VERY well. This is insane.
And how many lectures did you attend, and how many documents did you sign where you agreed that "I didn't mean to is not a defense?"
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Any constitutional scholars here have thoughts on Comey's addition of "criminal intent" and how it relates to Article 1, Section 9, Clause 3 of the U.S Constitution?

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We need to look long term. It's OK that she wasn't indicted. Not only does it show 'law for thee but not for me', but it's something that can be echoed throughout the general election. More ammo.

Now, if she was indicted, and found guilty, and sentenced accordingly, what would happen?
Democrats would pick a different front runner for the presidency, and Obama would pardon Clinton at the end of his term anyways.

This way, not only can Trump win much easier with this, but he can press on the FBI/AG to go after the Clinton foundation (and Hillary as well) no holds barred.

We don't want her getting away, and neither does Trump.

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(07-05-2016 05:24 PM)spokepoker Wrote:  We need to look long term. It's OK that she wasn't indicted. Not only does it show 'law for thee but not for me', but it's something that can be echoed throughout the general election. More ammo.

Now, if she was indicted, and found guilty, and sentenced accordingly, what would happen?
Democrats would pick a different front runner for the presidency, and Obama would pardon Clinton at the end of his term anyways.

This way, not only can Trump win much easier with this, but he can press on the FBI/AG to go after the Clinton foundation (and Hillary as well) no holds barred.

We don't want her getting away, and neither does Trump.

Agreed, we can't sit and pout this just opened up a new front on Hillary's flank in the battle for the Presidency. Time to make some fucking lemonade.
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I believe this is a Violation of Article 1 Section 9 of the US Constitution.

From the Source:

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(07-05-2016 04:09 PM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  
(07-05-2016 12:34 PM)robreke Wrote:  I never even entertained the thought that Hillary would be prosecuted.

It just wasn't going to happen. Roosh has a good new video on his website about The Future of Our World.

I'm paraphrasing but in it, he states something to the effect of - 'if one knows what's going on in the world now and the nature of the battle between the globalist elites and the nationalists and what their strategies and goals are, one can quite accurately predict the
future'

http://www.rooshv.com/watch-the-future-of-the-world

He's right about that.

Therefore, knowing the globalists are still firmly in control of many areas and their agenda for the USA and the world's political/economic and social direction, it was easy to predict that there was no way, no way, anything was going to be brought against her.

It was not going to be allowed.

Which should be a worry for Trump because he could end up on the wrong end of a gun by some "crazed guy". The people associated with the Clinton Foundation have killed many people for less.

Trump just doesn't figure into their plans.

This. They are practically shitting their pants every time Trump has a rally with high turnouts. This is *not* what they had in mind.

What's their biggest fear? Revolution. If the whole system's rigged against Trump, then a Revolution is quietly brewing.

Trump has millions of people supporting him. Not only in the United States, but all over the world as well where his rhetoric hit home in countries such as Austria, Netherlands, etc. due to ordinary citizens being fed up with "Globalism".

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Quote:Here's the law when your last name isn't Clinton.:
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(07-05-2016 05:47 PM)ivansirko Wrote:  I believe this is a Violation of Article 1 Section 9 of the US Constitution.

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Yeah, this is what I said a few posts earlier. Its unconstitutional to change/reinterpret a law post-fact to either incriminate or clear a person of criminal activity. Our Founders understood that such a clause would prohibit the political class from taking aim at their political enemies and exonerating their political allies.

This also falls under Ignoranti juris non excusat.

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(07-05-2016 06:54 PM)Indy Wrote:  Yeah, this is what I said a few posts earlier. Its unconstitutional to change/reinterpret a law post-fact to either incriminate or clear a person of criminal activity. Our Founders understood that such a clause would prohibit the political class from taking aim at their political enemies and exonerating their political allies.

This also falls under Ignoranti juris non excusat.

This White House has been all about "re-interpretation" on the fly and just choosing not to prosecute. Eventually everyone will be doing it and rule of law will go out the window.
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(07-05-2016 04:49 PM)The Black Knight Wrote:  Incredible.

I'm ex-military and have handled and worked with classified material and know the ins and outs VERY well. This is insane.

This FBI fuckstick straight up admitted publicly that she was very negligent with top secret documents and she WALKS without even a slap on the wrist?! She had a HIDDEN FUCKING SERVER WITH CLASSIFIED INFO RUNNING THROUGH IT!

Lack of intent is NOT an excuse for mishandling classified material.

I've known of people who have accidentally left a fuckin door open or didn't secure a door properly FOR A FEW MINUTES to a room full of classified material AND despite there being several layers of additional security (a base, secured door outside, etc), THOSE people got slammed HARD for even POTENTIALLY compromising classified info. Even if the compromise was only for a few minutes with physical items (not digital) that realistically no one could get access to, ALL THE CLASSIFIED MATERIAL MUST BE DESTROYED ANN REPLACED WITHIN THE ENTIRE classified materials community. Shit is a headache and costs real money and man hours. I know from direct experience (not my fuck up; someone else).

People seriously go to jail, pay large fines, and/or get career ending paperwork/charges for shit like this; even if only over an honest accident. For those not on the inside or understand how things works: you can't even begin to understand the (understandably) anal retentive procedures and policies that govern classified materials and the potential consequences that can occur if you don't respect how shit roles.

AND THIS CUNT WALKS GIVEN WHAT SHE DID?!?!

Fuck this.

God helps us if Trump doesn't win the election. At the very least, hopefully some people will see the gross double standard. Hopefully.

I hope the next spy ever caught and tried for treason invokes this Hillary Clinton incident in their defense.

All they have to do is copy all of the sensitive material from wherever they are embedded, leave it on a bullshit server in their apartment and "let it get hacked" vs. sending the information directly to their superiors.

Their defence can be "As Hillary Clinton say: "Just accident""

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(07-05-2016 04:49 PM)The Black Knight Wrote:  Incredible.

I'm ex-military and have handled and worked with classified material and know the ins and outs VERY well. This is insane.

This FBI fuckstick straight up admitted publicly that she was very negligent with top secret documents and she WALKS without even a slap on the wrist?! She had a HIDDEN FUCKING SERVER WITH CLASSIFIED INFO RUNNING THROUGH IT!

Lack of intent is NOT an excuse for mishandling classified material.

I've known of people who have accidentally left a fuckin door open or didn't secure a door properly FOR A FEW MINUTES to a room full of classified material AND despite there being several layers of additional security (a base, secured door outside, etc), THOSE people got slammed HARD for even POTENTIALLY compromising classified info. Even if the compromise was only for a few minutes with physical items (not digital) that realistically no one could get access to, ALL THE CLASSIFIED MATERIAL MUST BE DESTROYED ANN REPLACED WITHIN THE ENTIRE classified materials community. Shit is a headache and costs real money and man hours. I know from direct experience (not my fuck up; someone else).

People seriously go to jail, pay large fines, and/or get career ending paperwork/charges for shit like this; even if only over an honest accident. For those not on the inside or understand how things works: you can't even begin to understand the (understandably) anal retentive procedures and policies that govern classified materials and the potential consequences that can occur if you don't respect how shit roles.

AND THIS CUNT WALKS GIVEN WHAT SHE DID?!?!

Fuck this.

God helps us if Trump doesn't win the election. At the very least, hopefully some people will see the gross double standard. Hopefully.

I hope the next spy ever caught and tried for treason invokes this Hillary Clinton incident in their defense.

All they have to do is copy all of the sensitive material from wherever they are embedded, leave it on a bullshit server in their apartment and "let it get hacked" vs. sending the information directly to their superiors.

Their defence can be "As Hillary Clinton say: "Just accident""

Preach.

They should let Manning's gay ass free now as well. He is gay and accidently released stuff just like Hillary did. That should count for alot in today's America. Snowden should be able to come home now too, although I am sure he is enjoying living in Russia anyway.

I bet if Manning ever was released he probably would be a vegetable mentally. They are probably force feeding him with a tube and not telling us.

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Hillary has a pretty slick commercial on History channel. Its complete bull shit but feels impressive. She is touting her failed attempt at universal health care and a bunch of children "for the children" imagery. In reality the children will be turned in protein bars or drained of blood for her daily nutrition.
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