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http://www.dangerandplay.com/2013/04/25/...-steroids/

So all this dnp talk

But danger and play.. Wrote an article completely for steroids saying that there is nothing wrong with them.

Linux drops a post pretty much saying steroids are the devil.

Which siide is right?

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^^Danger&Play has another, more nuanced, post on the subject: http://www.dangerandplay.com/2013/12/06/...llone-trt/
Also, the first comment on the article you linked gives some good advice.

As always, it depends:
- Running trt with for instance 125 mg of test/week might benefit your health when your natural levels drop, whereas running cycles with 1+ g/week will probably not.
- Some compounds are more dangerous than others. Insulin, dnp, clen (all three of which are not steroids) and steroids like trenbolone are far harsher than a steroid like testosterone that naturally occurs in your body.
- Pharma grade steroids are probably safer than underground lab compounds.
- If you are under constant doctor supervision and get full blood panels (endocrinology, liver function, kidney function etc...) every couple of weeks, it will be safer than relying on some internet protocol and not doing any bloodwork.

All of this was already said by Linux. If you interpreted his post as saying "steroids are the devil" and the danger and play post as "take steroids as you want, there is nothing wrong with them" then yes, steroids are very dangerous for you at this point because you know very little about them and their possible consequences.
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So what exactly are the least dangerous compounds? If one wanted to go on a cycle to boost muscle building, without adding a bunch of extra water weight, what would be the safest pick (prioritizing safety over effectiveness) ?
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I'm no expert. I've never done a cycle but I've been looking into it incase one day I decide I want to because I wanna be fully prepared.

But yeah from my understanding you wanna base most or even every cycle you do with testosterone. This is your entry level compound I believe and you can make great gains off of it.

Many suggest a testosterone only cycle for your first. I think this is because of the relative safety. I think the most common type is testosterone ethanate. The spelling may not be right but you basically start with this injecting it into your glutes/hams as an oil based substance. You do this twice a week for example at a dosage of 200-600mgish depending on your size, goals etc.

Some will say add an oral for your first and some say add another compound such as deca, dbol for more gains. I'm not sure on that anything I've said one of the veteran heads, Linux or Volando can chime in and correct me.

Anyway you would run this for 6-12 weeks depending on your circumstances. You can add anti aromatisers in order to counteract estrogen relayed side effects such as gyno. You may always want to look into running a proper PCT (Post Cycle Therapy) in order to protect your liver.

There are methods such as blast and cruise but I don't know enough to really explain.

This is just some basic stuff I've picked up from my small amount of research. Like I said anybody can correct me if I have made a mistake I just tried to give a elementary understanding.

I think the most important thing is that you do your research properly first.
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Deca and Dbol was the last cycle I tried. It kind of messed up my bloodwork. Also, I think it was the Dbol, but it added a ton of water weight. I was doing 1CC of deca twice a week, and I forget the dosage of the Dbol.
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(05-27-2015 01:51 PM)Blackwell Wrote:  You may always want to look into running a proper PCT (Post Cycle Therapy) in order to protect your liver.

Most steroids partially or totally suppress your own testosterone production (your LH and FSH levels will drop through the negative feedback loop). Moreover they can increase your estrogen and progesterone, deteriorate your blood lipid profile and deteriorate the functioning of your liver and kidneys. The PCT is mainly meant to restart your own test production.

I've never cycled myself but I am on TRT. If you want to use hormones, I think you should:
- learn how the endocrine system works. What's the function of the hypothalamus, the pituitary, the adrenals, the testicles and how do these influence each other. Study the steroid tree. Understand the function of each hormone. Learn about negative feedback, aromatization,...
- study the compound that you want to use. How does it work inside your body? What are its side-effects? Can you get reliable (pharma grade) quality or will you be dealing with shady underground products? Do a google search to find threads with people that suffer long term consequences from their (ab)use of the compound.
- Make sure you have the necessary products for your PCT and on-cycle support (AI, liver support,...).
- Do a full blood panel before and after your cycle.
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What are peoples thoughts on Albuterol here? Some of you seem to have a decent amount of experience with supplementation.

I've used it for the last 2 weeks at fairly low doses (12mg/day) before my last few beach holidays, just to shed an extra little bit of fat. A lot of my friends do similar. From everything I've read online (and heard through BROSCIENCE discussion in real life with people who's opinions I do generally respect) it doesn't really seem to have downsides, in short term use anyway.

Very mildly anabolic, increased lung capacity, stimulant effects, increased BMR, positive impact on cholesterol levels in the heart... The only negatives I've found on it so far seem to be "not as good at burning fat as clen", but that seems a worthy trade-off given the far less severe side-effects.
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(05-24-2015 11:30 AM)VolandoVengoVolandoVoy Wrote:  
(05-24-2015 10:55 AM)The Beast1 Wrote:  Where do you get this stuff?

https://www.1napsgear.org/

Thanks for the link. I've never taken anything (bought my first whey protein a few months ago, to which I was made fun of by friends being the oldest guy on earth to buy his first whey protein).

I've learned more scanning through the testosterone products and reading the product descriptions than I ever planned on knowing.

Great thread. Still not sure I'll be doing this, certainly any time soon, but if/when I do, I'm glad I have good resources.

I've been lifting seriously and eating +protein -carbs the last 4 months. I'm going to really hit the Jim Stoppani 6 day workout and see where that takes me all naturale. I have a natural athletic cut build to begin with.

Just taking an excerpt from the Sustanon 250 (testosterone blend) description, I can't imagine putting on 20 pounds in a couple months. That sounds awesome and a little scary at the same time.

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(05-27-2015 03:50 PM)heavy Wrote:  
(05-24-2015 11:30 AM)VolandoVengoVolandoVoy Wrote:  
(05-24-2015 10:55 AM)The Beast1 Wrote:  Where do you get this stuff?

https://www.1napsgear.org/

Thanks for the link. I've never taken anything (bought my first whey protein a few months ago, to which I was made fun of by friends being the oldest guy on earth to buy his first whey protein).

I've learned more scanning through the testosterone products and reading the product descriptions than I ever planned on knowing.

Great thread. Still not sure I'll be doing this, certainly any time soon, but if/when I do, I'm glad I have good resources.

I've been lifting seriously and eating +protein -carbs the last 4 months. I'm going to really hit the Jim Stoppani 6 day workout and see where that takes me all naturale. I have a natural athletic cut build to begin with.

Just taking an excerpt from the Sustanon 250 (testosterone blend) description, I can't imagine putting on 20 pounds in a couple months. That sounds awesome and a little scary at the same time.



If you want to learn more and get personalized advice for your potential future cycles and routines, the best forum I know of is Iron Mag (http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/).

They have different sections for training, anabolics, TRT, etc.

Loads of great info and helpful posters.

Read the stickies here, great way to get started - http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/forums...bolic-Zone

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couple pounds of the dnp left after -a couple cycles with it it works okay but but sweating yellow peeing yellow being wet and clammy, tired and out of breath at the same time was not super great. It works but without getting your set point reset soon if you stop it becomes really difficult to control your appetite because on dnp you can eat anything but once you are off you want to use anything times 2. Oh and since it kills of your t3 it works best if you run those together

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If you have questions, i would start by reading the stickies here. http://thesourcecheck.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=146
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How do these mix if lets say......you do sniff sniff on the regular?

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(05-28-2015 10:51 PM)Cattle Rustler Wrote:  How do these mix if lets say......you do sniff sniff on the regular?

I'm asking for a friend.

Probably not a good idea to do that while on cycle at all, since it will 100% distract from your training routine, and probably increases your risk of an adverse health event by some unknowable percentage.

You could probably get away with occasional use while on a basic test cycle, but still I wouldn't recommend it. It will probably put your body in a catabolic state and eat away at your gains, and the time that you are high and the time that you are recovering from being high is lost time that could be spent sleeping, eating, or training.

Doing it while using tren/dnp/clen, all of which raise your blood pressure and potentially damage your heart, would be incredibly reckless.

You also probably won't want to do it when you are on a cycle. Just cut the shit out. You don't need it.

You feel so goddamn good and alpha, your body doesn't desire bad things. You just want to lift, eat, fuck, and embrace life. At least that's the way it is for me.

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Seriously you need to be older to start AAS, like late 20's at a minimum - if you haven't been lifting a solid 5 years you shouldn't be considering cycling either. You need a solid post cycle as well if you ever want your boys to swim or have testicles that are bigger than peanuts.

You guys are going to do what you're going to do, but remember you can REALLY fuck yourself up by going into this slap dick fashion.

(05-27-2015 03:50 PM)heavy Wrote:  
(05-24-2015 11:30 AM)VolandoVengoVolandoVoy Wrote:  
(05-24-2015 10:55 AM)The Beast1 Wrote:  Where do you get this stuff?

https://www.1napsgear.org/

Thanks for the link. I've never taken anything (bought my first whey protein a few months ago, to which I was made fun of by friends being the oldest guy on earth to buy his first whey protein).

I've learned more scanning through the testosterone products and reading the product descriptions than I ever planned on knowing.

Great thread. Still not sure I'll be doing this, certainly any time soon, but if/when I do, I'm glad I have good resources.

I've been lifting seriously and eating +protein -carbs the last 4 months. I'm going to really hit the Jim Stoppani 6 day workout and see where that takes me all naturale. I have a natural athletic cut build to begin with.

Just taking an excerpt from the Sustanon 250 (testosterone blend) description, I can't imagine putting on 20 pounds in a couple months. That sounds awesome and a little scary at the same time.
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(05-29-2015 08:20 AM)ThrustMaster Wrote:  Seriously you need to be older to start AAS, like late 20's at a minimum - if you haven't been lifting a solid 5 years you shouldn't be considering cycling either. You need a solid post cycle as well if you ever want your boys to swim or have testicles that are bigger than peanuts.

You guys are going to do what you're going to do, but remember you can REALLY fuck yourself up by going into this slap dick fashion.

I'm a traditionalist and conservative when it comes to gear but that's a bit extreme and alarmist.

25 and up is perfectly safe for cycling as your endocrine system is fully developed by then, 22-23 is pushing it but unlikely to cause a problem, late teens early 20s is foolish unless you are trying to go IFBB pro and are willing to accept some increased health risk to reach a lofty goal.

Also, while 5 years of lifting experience, and being close to your natural limit is ideal, it is by no means necessary.

I think even if someone started out totally out of shape, in about 6 months, they could be ready to cycle safely and effectively.

I don't mean blasting tren and squatting 600 lbs for reps, but I mean doing a basic test cycle to speed things along.

And your balls don't shrink to the size of peanuts when you cycle. I think 20 or 30% at the most is the norm for most people, really not that noticeable. I have never had a chick notice any change in my balls when I'm on cycle. They just notice my rock hard throbbing cock and the fact that I can fuck for hours and go again and again and again.

I suppose if you are a complete moron, and run way too strong a cycle for way too long with no ancilliaries, it might be worse.

But for the casual user who wants to do a light cycle or two to achieve a jacked by normal standards look, and is doing 10-12 week test cycles at 500-600 mg/week, you will be fine. Most do not even need any sort of an AI on a cycle like that, and are just fine with a basic 20-20-20-20 low dose 4 week nolva only PCT. No clomid or hcg or torem or letro needed.

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Look the nuts size of peanuts was a flippant off the hand comment. I know personally of a couple of guys in their early thirties that did cycles in their footballing days and had a nil sperm count, IVF necessary and not successful when the time came, so to speak.

Just head over to a decent lifting forum like T-Nation and check out all the really young kids asking for help cycling AT 17. Even after they supposedly read all the stickies come back with a cycle plan with no PCT. No AI is insanity defined who wants a 300 e2? 20-30 is a perfect range. Gyno anyone?

Stupid is as stupid does. Plenty of peeps do stupid shit. You are clearly well versed in the subject of AAS and know, for example what a decent TT, e2, and shbg range is - many people reading this will never and frankly will do it because "I read about it" and could hork their HPTA - I'm kinda done with the subject. It was a public announcement.

(05-29-2015 08:52 AM)VolandoVengoVolandoVoy Wrote:  
(05-29-2015 08:20 AM)ThrustMaster Wrote:  Seriously you need to be older to start AAS, like late 20's at a minimum - if you haven't been lifting a solid 5 years you shouldn't be considering cycling either. You need a solid post cycle as well if you ever want your boys to swim or have testicles that are bigger than peanuts.

You guys are going to do what you're going to do, but remember you can REALLY fuck yourself up by going into this slap dick fashion.

I'm a traditionalist and conservative when it comes to gear but that's a bit extreme and alarmist.

25 and up is perfectly safe for cycling as your endocrine system is fully developed by then, 22-23 is pushing it but unlikely to cause a problem, late teens early 20s is foolish unless you are trying to go IFBB pro and are willing to accept some increased health risk to reach a lofty goal.

Also, while 5 years of lifting experience, and being close to your natural limit is ideal, it is by no means necessary.

I think even if someone started out totally out of shape, in about 6 months, they could be ready to cycle safely and effectively.

I don't mean blasting tren and squatting 600 lbs for reps, but I mean doing a basic test cycle to speed things along.

And your balls don't shrink to the size of peanuts when you cycle. I think 20 or 30% at the most is the norm for most people, really not that noticeable. I have never had a chick notice any change in my balls when I'm on cycle. They just notice my rock hard throbbing cock and the fact that I can fuck for hours and go again and again and again.

I suppose if you are a complete moron, and run way too strong a cycle for way too long with no ancilliaries, it might be worse.

But for the casual user who wants to do a light cycle or two to achieve a jacked by normal standards look, and is doing 10-12 week test cycles at 500-600 mg/week, you will be fine. Most do not even need any sort of an AI on a cycle like that, and are just fine with a basic 20-20-20-20 low dose 4 week nolva only PCT. No clomid or hcg or torem or letro needed.
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What would you guys say would be a normal total test target to get me back to feeling and looking like when I was 20? I'm 36, and my total test the last few years has ranged between 350 to 450. I would think between 700-800 ng/dL, which requires likely 100mg of cyp per week, correct?

My libido's down significantly, stamina during exercise is reduced, suffer from dysthymia, and I've hit a wall pretty quickly in terms of weightlifting (w/o resorting to a massive increase in my caloric intake, which mostly causes fat gain).

I have no interest in tren/clen/HGH, etc. Risks way outweigh benefits. I just want to not feel old. And yes, I've got a clean diet, hit the gym multiple times per week, have a hot piece of ass, etc. It's still not making up for the shell of my former self.

And do any of you guys take Propecia while on HRT?
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My advice is worth what you paid for it:

1. get an LEF.ORG account (assuming you're in the US)
2. order a male basic hormone panel
3. if your TT comes back in the ranges below then I'd say start with .25ml 200mg/ml test-cyp e3d.
4. retake blood in 4 weeks
5. I'd get on .25mg adex e2d
6. and do .25ui of hcg sq e2d

That should get you right about 900 with e2 of 20-30 unless youre an under/over responder to AI or aromatize easily. go read the fuck outta: http://tnation.t-nation.com/free_online_...umIndexCat then read it again.


(05-29-2015 11:50 AM)PUA_Rachacha Wrote:  What would you guys say would be a normal total test target to get me back to feeling and looking like when I was 20? I'm 36, and my total test the last few years has ranged between 350 to 450. I would think between 700-800 ng/dL, which requires likely 100mg of cyp per week, correct?

My libido's down significantly, stamina during exercise is reduced, suffer from dysthymia, and I've hit a wall pretty quickly in terms of weightlifting (w/o resorting to a massive increase in my caloric intake, which mostly causes fat gain).

I have no interest in tren/clen/HGH, etc. Risks way outweigh benefits. I just want to not feel old. And yes, I've got a clean diet, hit the gym multiple times per week, have a hot piece of ass, etc. It's still not making up for the shell of my former self.

And do any of you guys take Propecia while on HRT?
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(05-29-2015 12:06 PM)ThrustMaster Wrote:  My advice is worth what you paid for it:

1. get an LEF.ORG account (assuming you're in the US)
2. order a male basic hormone panel
3. if your TT comes back in the ranges below then I'd say start with .25ml 200mg/ml test-cyp e3d.
4. retake blood in 4 weeks
5. I'd get on .25mg adex e2d
6. and do .25ui of hcg sq e2d

That should get you right about 900 with e2 of 20-30 unless youre an under/over responder to AI or aromatize easily. go read the fuck outta: http://tnation.t-nation.com/free_online_...umIndexCat then read it again.

That's some good advice. However, don't start too soon with the adex. Often, excessive aromatization can be avoided by splitting up your dose. Do not inject the test intramuscular once a week or once every 2 weeks. Instead, go for subcutaneous injections no less than three times a week.

Or start of with a cream or gel(not the uber-expensive patented ones, but one made by a compounding pharmacy). These are often given a bad rep for causing excessive aromatization but if your liver is in good condition (eliminates estradiol) and you apply the cream to a region with very low bodyfat (forehead, upper traps, shoulders) this doesn't need to be the case.

I would also wait with the hcg. It is an extra compound to dial in, it requires multiple injections a week and it causes intratesticular aromatization, which cannot be stopped using adex. It is possible that you can get your test to 700-1000 ng/dl without completely crashing your LH/FSH.

Also, if you want to feel like a 20 yo, do not ignore T3, T4, DHEAs, pregnenolone, progesterone and GH. You can definitely feel like shit with absolutely perfect test and estradiol levels when these other hormones are out of balance. If DHEAs and preg are low, I would even start by supplementing these instead of going straight for test. The best HRT doctors will correct the thyroid and adrenal hormones first, then test and estradiol. GH always comes last and is optional.
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(05-29-2015 09:04 AM)ThrustMaster Wrote:  Look the nuts size of peanuts was a flippant off the hand comment. I know personally of a couple of guys in their early thirties that did cycles in their footballing days and had a nil sperm count, IVF necessary and not successful when the time came, so to speak.

Just head over to a decent lifting forum like T-Nation and check out all the really young kids asking for help cycling AT 17. Even after they supposedly read all the stickies come back with a cycle plan with no PCT. No AI is insanity defined who wants a 300 e2? 20-30 is a perfect range. Gyno anyone?

Stupid is as stupid does. Plenty of peeps do stupid shit. You are clearly well versed in the subject of AAS and know, for example what a decent TT, e2, and shbg range is - many people reading this will never and frankly will do it because "I read about it" and could hork their HPTA - I'm kinda done with the subject. It was a public announcement.

This and the disproportionate number of daughters born to steroid users would make me cautious (any truth to that?). I haven't ruled them out down the line though.
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(05-29-2015 11:50 AM)PUA_Rachacha Wrote:  What would you guys say would be a normal total test target to get me back to feeling and looking like when I was 20? I'm 36, and my total test the last few years has ranged between 350 to 450. I would think between 700-800 ng/dL, which requires likely 100mg of cyp per week, correct?

My libido's down significantly, stamina during exercise is reduced, suffer from dysthymia, and I've hit a wall pretty quickly in terms of weightlifting (w/o resorting to a massive increase in my caloric intake, which mostly causes fat gain).

I have no interest in tren/clen/HGH, etc. Risks way outweigh benefits. I just want to not feel old. And yes, I've got a clean diet, hit the gym multiple times per week, have a hot piece of ass, etc. It's still not making up for the shell of my former self.

And do any of you guys take Propecia while on HRT?

Is it realistic to want to feel or look like a 20 year old when you are nearing 40!
Maybe change up your workout.
What is causing you to eat more, stress perhaps.

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(06-07-2015 07:40 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  
(05-29-2015 11:50 AM)PUA_Rachacha Wrote:  What would you guys say would be a normal total test target to get me back to feeling and looking like when I was 20? I'm 36, and my total test the last few years has ranged between 350 to 450. I would think between 700-800 ng/dL, which requires likely 100mg of cyp per week, correct?

My libido's down significantly, stamina during exercise is reduced, suffer from dysthymia, and I've hit a wall pretty quickly in terms of weightlifting (w/o resorting to a massive increase in my caloric intake, which mostly causes fat gain).

I have no interest in tren/clen/HGH, etc. Risks way outweigh benefits. I just want to not feel old. And yes, I've got a clean diet, hit the gym multiple times per week, have a hot piece of ass, etc. It's still not making up for the shell of my former self.

And do any of you guys take Propecia while on HRT?

Is it realistic to want to feel or look like a 20 year old when you are nearing 40!
Maybe change up your workout.
What is causing you to eat more, stress perhaps.

I'm not eating more, I said that I would have to eat more in order to gain muscle, but most would convert to body fat, so I avoid it.

So, you're saying I should just deal with feeling subpar even though modern medicine has provided, while not a full cure, at least some help? And I never said that I wanted to look 20, just feel better when I get out of bed in the morning.

@PhDre: you're absolutely right that I need to dial in other hormones as well first. My TSH has consistently been around 4 mU/L for years, and my T3 is borderline below-range. My endo doesn't want to treat me though because he feels that the risks outweigh the benefits. He told me if I had low libido, that I should seek sex therapy! I promptly walked out of his office after that.
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(06-08-2015 11:04 AM)PUA_Rachacha Wrote:  @PhDre: you're absolutely right that I need to dial in other hormones as well first. My TSH has consistently been around 4 mU/L for years, and my T3 is borderline below-range. My endo doesn't want to treat me though because he feels that the risks outweigh the benefits. He told me if I had low libido, that I should seek sex therapy! I promptly walked out of his office after that.

Good move with the endo. I've had a similar experience with a professor in endocrinology at an academic hospital. I showed her my DHEAs results from the last 5 years, which were consistently way below reference range. Then I told her that my erectile dysfunction (I'm in my late 20's) - that persisted even at perfect test and e2 levels - was temporarily solved when I popped 200 mg of DHEA. She told me that it was a placebo effect and that DHEA had no use in men...

Another doctor told me that erectile dysfunction in your twenties is quite normal, since more guys suffer from it. He said "as long as viagra works you don't need to worry".

I've got no experience with thyroid issues. However, it sounds like you have borderline primary hypothyroidism. Do you know your iodine levels? Your low T3 might explain the easy fat gain.

For your information, these are the optimum hormone, vitamin and mineral levels according to my anti-aging doc: http://www.coaching-for-health.net/eisen...rtoghe.pdf
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Hey Guys. Im 36. been training my whole life. I train BJJ , Lift Weights and swim. Im starting to slow down and dont want to. I live in Estonia but can drive to Latvia easily . I dont know much about steroids and would like some advice on taking my first cycle . I also need to figure out where to buy them . ive made the decision to try a few cycles I just need advice on what to do and how to source the products.
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The first advise is to read a lot about the steroids.
Before you consider to start, there are some pre requisites.
- you reached your top physical condition at the gym.
- you had blood work and your lipids, blood pressure,red cell count , are within the normal range.
- you have a proper diet.
- you have everything you need before starting like pct.
- you can explain any other person all the side effects each drug you will take, and how to minimize them. Ex Dbol= liver toxicity, Deca = erectile dysfunction.

But if you are 36 y/o, I'd consider to check free and total testosterone levels, and analyze if you are candidate for TRT. If so that will prepare you for a basic cycle of testosterone.
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