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RE: Natural ways to boost Testosterone?
(07-30-2018 12:33 AM)N°6 Wrote:  
(07-29-2018 12:15 PM)Balkan Wrote:  N6: Might be worthwhile to check out Mike Mahler’s aggressive strength testosterone booster. Has ashwaganda and several other herbs. Nothing will be like TRT but this may be cheaper and more efficacious than your current amazon cart


Thanks for that, I think the youtube video I posted mentioned MM. Will look into MM to see if he ships to the UK and whether the value is better compared to my amazon cart and local health shop.


My strategy so far is (tactics to be defined down the line):

0: Get a blood test to snapshot the present situation

1. Avoid direct attention to testosterone: look at estrogen and cortisol first by considering sleep, play and work.. In other words, take out the asbestos, rotting timbers and fix the roof before refurbishing the house.


2. Adopt a healthier and organic (grass fed) diet, quit beer (which could be worse than soy) and work out with weights intensely with HIIT style cardio. I suspect that using soy and corn fed chicken as a primary source of protein is counter-productive if it messes with our hormones.


So far the costs are negligible and probably beneficial if I quit alcohol and stop eating out completely.

3. With the structure of the house sorted, I can now look at the architectural detailing, decoration, fixtures and fittings: i.e. supplements. No point supplementing if I am not eating cruciferous vegetables however.

4. In 10 years or so, look into HRT as I will be at an age where I would have less to lose; the risk in the Cost, Risk Benefit appraisal will be less and the benefit higher.

I like your logical approach. I got my first blood test done recently out of curiosity. Results were Low T, Vitamin D deficient (middle of winter), High LDL and High cholesterol and elevated GGT (liver enzyme) from heavy drinking.

Similar to yourself, I plan to sort out the big items first by training more around heavy weights and intervals, improving my diet and reducing/removing alcohol prior to retesting.

Also decided on the full health screen to really assess where I am before bad habits become chronic diseases. Prevention is better than cure.
07-30-2018 01:29 AM
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RE: Natural ways to boost Testosterone?
(07-30-2018 01:29 AM)Mig Picante Wrote:  
(07-30-2018 12:33 AM)N°6 Wrote:  
(07-29-2018 12:15 PM)Balkan Wrote:  N6: Might be worthwhile to check out Mike Mahler’s aggressive strength testosterone booster. Has ashwaganda and several other herbs. Nothing will be like TRT but this may be cheaper and more efficacious than your current amazon cart


Thanks for that, I think the youtube video I posted mentioned MM. Will look into MM to see if he ships to the UK and whether the value is better compared to my amazon cart and local health shop.


My strategy so far is (tactics to be defined down the line):

0: Get a blood test to snapshot the present situation

1. Avoid direct attention to testosterone: look at estrogen and cortisol first by considering sleep, play and work.. In other words, take out the asbestos, rotting timbers and fix the roof before refurbishing the house.


2. Adopt a healthier and organic (grass fed) diet, quit beer (which could be worse than soy) and work out with weights intensely with HIIT style cardio. I suspect that using soy and corn fed chicken as a primary source of protein is counter-productive if it messes with our hormones.


So far the costs are negligible and probably beneficial if I quit alcohol and stop eating out completely.

3. With the structure of the house sorted, I can now look at the architectural detailing, decoration, fixtures and fittings: i.e. supplements. No point supplementing if I am not eating cruciferous vegetables however.

4. In 10 years or so, look into HRT as I will be at an age where I would have less to lose; the risk in the Cost, Risk Benefit appraisal will be less and the benefit higher.

I like your logical approach. I got my first blood test done recently out of curiosity. Results were Low T, Vitamin D deficient (middle of winter), High LDL and High cholesterol and elevated GGT (liver enzyme) from heavy drinking.

Similar to yourself, I plan to sort out the big items first by training more around heavy weights and intervals, improving my diet and reducing/removing alcohol prior to retesting.

Also decided on the full health screen to really assess where I am before bad habits become chronic diseases. Prevention is better than cure.

I get the feeling I might get similar results to you. I used to be a 5 mornings a week gym man. Then a stressful period at work, a holiday and the reintroduction of beer after work, on dates and most of the weekends with live TV sport broke my gym habit for a year.

My wake up from my cortisol and estrogen saturated slumber came when I moved a certain way and felt my chest wobble. I still don't have moobs but the wobble and the love handles that I have developed brought me back to reality. When I returned to the gym, I couldn't do one dip when last year, I was doing 8-10 weighted dips.

I saw on you tube yesterday that in the battle against estrogen stored in fat cells, men need to aim for 15% body fat. I am in the low to mid 20s.
07-30-2018 01:48 AM
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RE: Natural ways to boost Testosterone?
I received my blood results. Pleasantly surprised at 36, my total T is 683 ng/dL.

I’m undergoing several symptoms that suggest low T however: low libido, grumpiness, depression and a general black pill view on women, not to mention a loss of gym strength.

I should look into T maintenance and possibly increasing it to 800 to see if this helps with gains.
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12-27-2018 06:45 PM
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RE: Natural ways to boost Testosterone?
As I'm younger, most of the things I've done are pretty basic, but I've noticed a real difference in the past few months since I got serious about it.

Food: In general, grass-fed, organic everything. Lots of eggs for breakfast (emphasis put on egg yolks), tuna (canned) for lunch or snack, milk, legumes, and beef, lots of beef, sometimes some bison for variety. Olive oil in small amounts. Avocados. Greek yogurt. Blueberries. Grass fed butter. Onions and garlic, both are high t foods and good for immune system. I also avoid foods high in estrogen or related hormones. Pretty easy to find a list of foods to avoid online. I cook every meal and avoid anything processed.

Alcohol: I just cut back to vodka and soda. No beer. Beer is notorious for raising your estrogen levels. Noticed a huge difference after a month.

Working out: I'm in the habit of doing it, but I don't do things bad for my T like distance running/ jogging. Instead just switched to sprint training. My strength training was already optimized anyway.
12-27-2018 06:54 PM
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RE: Natural ways to boost Testosterone?
(12-27-2018 06:45 PM)N°6 Wrote:  I’m undergoing several symptoms that suggest low T however: low libido, grumpiness, depression and a general black pill view on women, not to mention a loss of gym strength.

I'm calling this the red pill effect, or the red pill depression. It fucks you up more than people realise and can spiral into other parts of your life (and body).

It would make a good thread topic... with poll.

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12-28-2018 12:51 AM
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^It could be. It’s a reminder that we are holistic beings and the psychological affects the hormonal and vice versa.

My T levels come from a morning in the summer when I was lifting 3 to 5 times per week. Although the reading is good for modern men in their 30s, I feel that my T levels have tanked during the winter under the weight of a diet which got out of control, alcohol and the loss of the gym habit.

I think it best to take quarterly blood readings to measure hormone levels during all seasons. If financial corporations do this, so should biological ones.
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12-28-2018 04:14 AM
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RE: Natural ways to boost Testosterone?
My list:

- Limited alcohol (only social occasions)
- Eat primarily home cooked meals from fresh quality groceries
- Get sufficient healthy fats (and stop obsessing about abs)
- Lift heavy weights regularly
- Take up a combat sports regularly (boxing for me)
- Regular sex
- Collect small wins and PBs in various areas of your life - anything will do: sports, fitness, finance, health, etc. Winning is good for T-level, and vice versa. It is the perfect feedback loop.
- Focus on achieving said wins in your life and read less of the doom & gloom shit on the Internet
- Get rid of negative people in your life and be ruthless about it

Mine was in the low 900s ng/dL at 31. Not sure what it is now (turning 36 next year) but every morning I wake up with glorious wood and feel like a million bucks so should be fine.

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12-28-2018 05:03 AM
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RE: Natural ways to boost Testosterone?
When my total T was ~300, Zinc supplements helped me boost free T to the middle of the normal range. Barely affected my the way I felt though.
12-29-2018 07:07 AM
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RE: Natural ways to boost Testosterone?
>>I think it best to take quarterly blood readings to measure hormone levels during all seasons.

Nobody, and I mean nobody, including top PhD researchers in physiology, really understands hormones. Labs measure what they can measure. The human body is an incredibly complex mix of chemicals, hundred thousand or more different proteins interacting in ways we don't even begin to understand. It was only recently that ghrelin and leptin were discovered, which are major issues with hunger and obesity. Testosterone was discovered long ago, but what does it actually do? No one really knows. (Before someone spouts of that testosterone is what makes men men, please tell me the last time you read a pre-med university cell physiology textbook. You know, all that biochemistry and receptors and whatnot.)

The map is not the territory. The map only shows what the map makers thought important and what they could measure and depict on the map.

Likewise, lab tests are just a random collection of a few dozen chemical levels (out of a total of 100,000 or more) that physiologists decided they understand enough to justify measuring and which can be measured. Ranges are equally arbitrary: grab a bunch of college guinea pigs, measure their levels and call the average "normal", then draw a band around that average and make that the acceptable range.

Instead of lab tests, I suggest a more a holistic approach. Do you feel okay physically? If not, look.at obvious things to improve. More and better sleep. Lose excess weight. Reduce stress. Get off the internet if addicted to it. Eat properly. Take a long vacation, preferably into nature, camping, canoing, something like that.

I do get tested myself each year, and everything is normal, but I am increasingly skeptical about such testing, and even more skeptical about the obsession with testosterone levels among younger men, and especially skeptical about younger men going on TRT. I think this obsession is a projection of fears about the decline of men's power relative to women, changing role of men in society, etc. (My own testosterone level was over 750 ng/dL (26 nmol/L) recently, which is fine for a man of 57, so I'm not pooh-poohing these tests just to make myself feel good.)
12-29-2018 04:33 PM
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RE: Natural ways to boost Testosterone?
When I was 22 I had a blood test that gave my testosterone as 479 ng/dL. I had a grade 3 varicocele at the time which is why I had my testosterone measured.

I never had issues with libido/morning wood/muscle building...ect. In fact I was in all of the sports teams had a really good physique from going to the gym.

After having my varicocele operated on (still grade 3 but it was massive before now it is reasonably smaller). My testosterone was more or less the same 493 ng/dL. And several years later my physique/ quality of life/ libido is the same as far as I can tell. (nice that my nutsack is smaller though)

The point I'm trying to make is that people shouldn't be so obsessive over their testosterone levels. Everyone is different so you can't really compare your results to someone elses.

I got these results from a 2011 paper on reference ranges on testosterone (J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 2011 Aug; 96(8): 2430–2439. doi: 10.1210/jc.2010-3012)
"In a reference sample of 456 men, mean (sd), median (quartile), and 2.5th percentile values were 723.8 (221.1), 698.7 (296.5), and 348.3 ng/dl for TT"
This means that the majority of men (68%) have a testosterone level from about 500 to 950.

I am slightly below this range but that doesn't bother me as I have no health issues related to testosterone.

If you are worried about testosterone the two things that have a major influence on your testosterone levels are sleep and diet.

For sleep you should make sure you get adequate amounts of sleep (~8 hours for most people) at regular times (going to sleep and waking up at the same time every day). Your sleep should be deep and undisturbed (don't eat 2 hours before sleep/ low light levels + no screens 2 hours before sleep/ good diet with zinc and magnesium).

For diet you should make sure that you are getting all the necessary vitamins and nutrients and good water intake. Personally I am on a whole foods plant based diet (like a vegan diet).
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RE: Natural ways to boost Testosterone?
I suspect for a lot of people simply spending more time outside in the sun would help. Way too many people spend their time in an office, go to the gym indoors, eat out indoors, etc. etc.

Always noticed it when I spend more time outside, especially coupled with something that makes me sweat, be it manual labor or hiking.
01-03-2019 06:27 PM
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Summer 2017 I had my testosterone levels checked, 605 at age 29. Not bad, not great, I was ok with it.

At the time I was doing tons of cardio (cycling), not lifting, drinking often, and pretty skinny (175 at 6'4").

Since then I started lifting and have been making good progress and gained up to 190 while still pretty lean. I rarely drink now and my diet has been clean with plenty of meat and good fats. Supplementing ZMA, Vitamin D, krill oil. Lots of sleep.

Fast forward to Winter 2018 and my testosterone levels dropped to 499. Must have fucked up but I'm not sure how. I read somewhere that T levels are supposed to peak in Nov/Dec too. WTF Huh
01-03-2019 07:14 PM
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RE: Natural ways to boost Testosterone?
For me eating nuts, taking zink and vitamine D3 supplementation help. Not sure above the blood values though, but I measure the results by the morning woods and the ammount of patience I have for my mother-in-law bullshit.
01-10-2019 02:35 PM
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