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RE: Is it beta to hate women?
(06-12-2015 04:13 AM)jariel Wrote:  
(06-11-2015 08:33 PM)ManVsMachine Wrote:  If you find yourself falling into the trap that women are evil, and it is an easy one to fall into, repeat to yourself that women are women, and go out and spit some game.

While I agree it's ridiculous to have hate for women, I do question the strategy of telling men to keep swinging at bad pitches.

Any new player is going to swipe at a few bad ones though right? If you can cut the learning curve though study/reading or being more receptive to learning through other people's knowledge then great, but at some point you have to step up the the plate and connect. It's going to entail a few mistakes.

Identifying the right opportunities is the name of the game I guess, the better you are, the sooner you identify and go after the best choices. Personally, I'm slow on the uptake, but I usually figure it out. For me, I just have to work a lot harder which is both difficult to do and accept.

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RE: Is it beta to hate women?
Two words: Elliott Rodger.
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I hate fat women. I love thin women though

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RE: Is it beta to hate women?
Something I read on a smaller PUA blog/twitter which I whole-heartedly agree with -

There are two ways to NOT hate women:
1) you buy into their bullshit, and/or
2) you are successful at fucking them.
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RE: Is it beta to hate women?
It's been said we later hate the very things we fell in love with a person for to begin with.

We are attracted to the feminine for how opposite it is from us. It's fullness, it's curvy, whimsical, emotional nature. It's unconditional caring and mercy.

However, we always try to get women to forget all that and subscribe to the masculine dimension of reality instead. So on some level we really do hate them. And they hate us. It's this tension, this dance with each side trying to simultaneously have, yet convert the other, that makes the world spin.
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RE: Is it beta to hate women?
(06-23-2015 08:43 PM)Onto Wrote:  It's been said we later hate the very things we fell in love with a person for to begin with.

We are attracted to the feminine for how opposite it is from us. It's fullness, it's curvy, whimsical, emotional nature. It's unconditional caring and mercy.

However, we always try to get women to forget all that and subscribe to the masculine dimension of reality instead. So on some level we really do hate them. And they hate us. It's this tension, this dance with each side trying to simultaneously have, yet convert the other, that makes the world spin.

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RE: Is it beta to hate women?
Bro ; don't put all women in the same basket . Life itself is the feminine , start to enjoy your life and spread some good vibes ; you'll be surprised how they would react to you .

Another thing to bear in mind ; different women channel different kinds of energy . Be able to walk away from a chick who just doesn't do it for you .
Meet new girls .. Abundance is the cornerstone of game.

Do yourself a huge favor and don't get locked up in those self-destructing thoughts .
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RE: Is it beta to hate women?
Is it beta to hate a lion because it is a predator that kills?

Is it beta to hate your car when the engine freezes due to lack of proper oiling?

Is it beta to hate a shark that may attack you if you're bleeding in its waters?

If we didn't have emotional reactions and tendencies toward women, their antics and the way they treat us sometimes, we wouldn't be human. However....

It's beta to hate or to let your emotions get the better of you in response to reality and the nature of things in this world.

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RE: Is it beta to hate women?
(06-23-2015 10:52 PM)robreke Wrote:  Is it beta to hate a lion because it is a predator that kills?

Is it beta to hate your car when the engine freezes due to lack of proper oiling?

Is it beta to hate a shark that may attack you if you're bleeding in its waters?

If we didn't have emotional reactions and tendencies toward women, their antics and the way they treat us sometimes, we wouldn't be human. However....

It's beta to hate or to let your emotions get the better of you in response to reality and the nature of things in this world.

Hate is an emotion. You can't control what you feel. I am handling it well but it is rather the powerlessness of not being able to overcome that.

I know I can't ever have a family with a woman from this side of the earth. I know I can't trust any woman, even the women my brother dates. I know that they reserve special privileges in this part of the world. I know, especially in my field, they get treated nicer.

I hate them for it.
And they taught me how to hate them. I can be alpha all I want and use proper game but at the end of the day, I am disgusted and find it a waste of time to hang around with women at all besides sex or maybe a short date.

Of course something is wrong with me that I can't establish a connection with any women...but I don't consider this my fault. I've never had a positive female figure in my life besides my mother when I left for college. After that it has been downhill.

Even though it would be nice to have that connection with somebody, no woman is going to save me or mend me or whatever. They are just gonna go after the 2 things they always target in me...my time and my ego.
06-25-2015 04:21 AM
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RE: Is it beta to hate women?
I dont know if its rather beta or ridiculous to hate women.

Like other posters have said, girls are just being what they are. The very same qualities that attract us are the same that could drive us nut. Caring and loving can become possessiveness. Romance and sweetness can become drama etc.

Back when I was a beta I've seen a girl who act bitchy to me suddenly becomes all sweet with another guy. Yeah, used to hate them for that. Now its often the other way around.

If anything you should hate men for what is happening. As Roosh wrote before girls are water, they become the environment they find themselves in. Girls were feminine and docile before because men were strong, stubborn and took no shit. Now women are horrible because men are weak, submissive and manginas. It wasnt women who won the rights to vote, men gave it to them. Women didnt get themselves to position of power had it not been for the men who slept with them and promoting them. None of the feminism shit would succeed had it not been for unlimited mangina/WK support.

The more I get into the game, the more I love women and the more I hate men, but also the more I respect and admire the rare strong men I come across. I guess this is just natural.

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RE: Is it beta to hate women?
Is there anything you're not telling us about your past rudeBoy?
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(06-25-2015 05:06 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  I dont know if its rather beta or ridiculous to hate women.

Like other posters have said, girls are just being what they are. The very same qualities that attract us are the same that could drive us nut. Caring and loving can become possessiveness. Romance and sweetness can become drama etc.

Back when I was a beta I've seen a girl who act bitchy to me suddenly becomes all sweet with another guy. Yeah, used to hate them for that. Now its often the other way around.

If anything you should hate men for what is happening. As Roosh wrote before girls are water, they become the environment they find themselves in. Girls were feminine and docile before because men were strong, stubborn and took no shit. Now women are horrible because men are weak, submissive and manginas. It wasnt women who won the rights to vote, men gave it to them. Women didnt get themselves to position of power had it not been for the men who slept with them and promoting them. None of the feminism shit would succeed had it not been for unlimited mangina/WK support.

The more I get into the game, the more I love women and the more I hate men, but also the more I respect and admire the rare strong men I come across. I guess this is just natural.

So many people see past this. For every bitchy woman, there is a man somewhere kissing her ass. A lot of other men are too scared to stand up to women because of the large white-knighting culture that discourages it. Drop the white-knighting, and feminism will be dead by tomorrow morning.
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RE: Is it beta to hate women?
The thing is that no one woman is conscious of what makes her shitty. Women, more than anything, are products of their environment. Hate the men that enable their behaviour if you must hate something.
06-25-2015 07:09 AM
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RE: Is it beta to hate women?
Yo Elliot,

The replies here are onto something now. You're hating women because you're judging them by the same standards as men. That part is very important to learn otherwise you become very bitter, angry and start having homocidal thoughts and shit.

So you say you spend hours a day doing blah blah. Cool man. So what? that's what a man is supposed to do. A woman does not have to, and it makes more sense for them to just enjoy themselves, be happy, look pretty etc. You don't hate children and animals do you? No, because you realise they're different and should be judged on different standards than men.

I play piano too, I love jazz. Playing Chopin is incredible but no one gives a shit but other musicians. You should have realised this by now. A lot of musicians want respect for all their hard work, but its not gonna happen.

Most people can't relate to classical and jazz music, just want to party and listen to the same tunes as everyone else and sing a long. But if you're in music because you like it and you want to play the best music you can than all this shouldn't bother you.
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RE: Is it beta to hate women?
I think we all go through stages, at least I know I did. It's hard not to hate women, most of them are just plain terrible people, I don't think anyone can argue with that. Imagine growing up having hoards of people do anything for your approval: it inflates your ego, it makes you feel superior to everybody and package that with no physical repercussions for your behavior..what you get is a bitch, and this is the reality of the environment that shapes most women of today, from America to Romania.

I think as long as you continue working on yourself and on your game, you will go over it, even if it doesn't seem like it right now. Every interaction with women is an experience, which in turn shapes your consciousness and conditions you based on the results. RSD people always talk about "reference experiences'. I will use this analogy: Think about when you first stepped foot into a club, odds are you felt insecure and a bit overpowered by the environment. Now if that night some dude would of happened to get a grudge on your and say hit you, now you will have a very grim outlook on clubbing, you are biased, you will think that "clubs are dangerous" and stuff like that. But if you were to go out 500 more times you would see that stuff like that rarely happens and you can have fun..that's because you gained more reference experiences, you can now see the whole picture, not only the small part of when you got unlucky.

Maybe you had bad experiences with women until this point. Don't dwell over whether this makes you beta or not, instead, try and change if it bothers you. Fact is the large majority of attractive women today have become nothing more than cum dumpsters - primarily because of their attitudes. I don't think fucking tons of them can kill the frustration we sometimes get from their behavior. I know that I personally feel like killing a litter of kittens after running into a few rotten ones, so let's stop acting like it's ridiculous to go through a stage in which women don't seem like sunshine and rainbows. Feminism, white knighting and social media changed the game a lot, and not for the better.

Everybody talks about accepting women for what they are, but I think it's more about also accepting who you are, including the fact that you haven't had much reason to trust and love women. If you accept that fact and move forward you might just find one that will change that.
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RE: Is it beta to hate women?
Extremely. All of the "negative" female behaviours often actually stem from insecurity or some other type of human vulnerability. Learn game. Some of the women you meet in your journey will mark you in an insanely positive, there have been some girls I have met that truly lit up my life. You cannot hate women. Women are wonderful. They say women can't give you happiness, but a lack of women will absolutely bring you unhappiness.
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RE: Is it beta to hate women?
(06-11-2015 07:53 PM)rudeBoy Wrote:  So these last years I've been swallowing the redpill and look back and ponder on how women have affected my life. They've done considerable emotional damage to the point to even being around them makes me kind of sick. I have sex and I'm out the door. I can't stand to be around them for more than an hour. Now, initially I thought this behavior was 'alpha' but is it?

I think it is beta to just hate them or am I being too hard on myself, or maybe I'm just playing the victim.

have you had a girlfriend before OP? how many girls have you slept with by now?
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RE: Is it beta to hate women?
Not beta.
Dramatic outbursts an hysteria are beta, it's typical of female liability.

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(07-11-2015 02:30 AM)H8BadBoys217 Wrote:  
(06-11-2015 07:53 PM)rudeBoy Wrote:  So these last years I've been swallowing the redpill and look back and ponder on how women have affected my life. They've done considerable emotional damage to the point to even being around them makes me kind of sick. I have sex and I'm out the door. I can't stand to be around them for more than an hour. Now, initially I thought this behavior was 'alpha' but is it?

I think it is beta to just hate them or am I being too hard on myself, or maybe I'm just playing the victim.

have you had a girlfriend before OP? how many girls have you slept with by now?

In the 20s. Longest relationship was 6 months. My goal was to double/triple that number in the last 2 years but I'm training to be a Nuclear Operator for the Navy so those 12 hour work days mitigate my ability to go out and meet women.
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(06-25-2015 06:43 AM)Phoenix Wrote:  Is there anything you're not telling us about your past rudeBoy?

What would you like to know?
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RE: Is it beta to hate women?
RudeBoy and others reading this thread, just read the Is there anything good about men? by a professor of Psychology Roy Baumeister right now.

The title should be understood as ironic. Of course, Baumeister has a lot to say what is good about men. This is a serious book requiring serious reflection where arguments are scientific and polemic of the highest standard. If you're anti-feminism, after having read this book, except of much better understanding how the society works through the male/female lens, as a side dish you'll have a thermonuclear arsenal against any conceivable feminist schtick.

One of Baumeister's key stipulations is that "if women really would have been happier without men, they would have set up shop on their own long ago."

I can't recommend this book enough, read it, read it, read it!
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(08-06-2015 06:33 AM)rudeBoy Wrote:  
(07-11-2015 02:30 AM)H8BadBoys217 Wrote:  
(06-11-2015 07:53 PM)rudeBoy Wrote:  So these last years I've been swallowing the redpill and look back and ponder on how women have affected my life. They've done considerable emotional damage to the point to even being around them makes me kind of sick. I have sex and I'm out the door. I can't stand to be around them for more than an hour. Now, initially I thought this behavior was 'alpha' but is it?

I think it is beta to just hate them or am I being too hard on myself, or maybe I'm just playing the victim.

have you had a girlfriend before OP? how many girls have you slept with by now?

In the 20s. Longest relationship was 6 months. My goal was to double/triple that number in the last 2 years but I'm training to be a Nuclear Operator for the Navy so those 12 hour work days mitigate my ability to go out and meet women.

I just realized something. You're training now but aren't you going to be stationed on a surface ship or submarine?

I don't think it'll be any easier approaching women in the middle of the ocean where there are none.

Although you will likely visit some decent ports where there are sweet women that will suck the hate out of you, maybe even literally.

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rudeBoy - thanks for continuing to follow up your thread a couple months after posting it, not everyone does that but they should

I agree with the earlier post about not getting locked up in self-destructive thoughts. I think you are probably in some kind of phase and I suggest that you think about why you are in that phase and what you need to do to get out of it.

If you are in a good place in life and you are getting laid then why are you so worried about this? Do you expect all your happiness in life to come from women? If not, then what is it that is keeping these negative thoughts in the forefront of your mind?

It seems to me that there must be something more going on. Perhaps you don't feel you are successful with women although you claim to be successful. Perhaps you have a lot of anger about something on a deeper level and you are channeling that negativity towards all women.

Check out this post on Roosh's blog especially the last 3 paragraphs.
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RE: Is it beta to hate women?
OP, if you are through the stages of understanding the world for what it is, yes it is natural to hate them. I am not going to classify it with a false alpha/beta dichotomy. Stop thinking like that. You are the alpha in the nuclear reactor and the beta in classical music lessons. If you were "Alpha" all the time, you'd be dead. You would have not complied with a commanding officer or cop and got seriously roughed up. Alpha is just code word for leader. Two key components of being a leader is negotiation and compromise.

Back to the point of hating women; you don't hate them per say, you hate yourself for believing the bullshit and society for selling it to you. You, like 99.5% of everyone else here, thought that that bill of goods you were being sold on women was true. You've been returning to this supplier for years upon years to renew your procurement of their propaganda. Of course, this creates bitterness and resentment. You got duped and built your life and beliefs around many of these lies. Unfortunately, due to conditioning, we can't just "rip the bandaid" off and be readjusted to our world. Its more of festering wound the flares up and reminds us we are still "healing" from our "injury".

I'm nearing the end of this phase and just discovered today that I was dragging this phase out. Why? Because I was projecting my "internal standards" as "external expectations" onto the real world. My operating worldview as that since I am a good person, mean well, and practice altruism others will as well. That shit doesn't hold up with men 80% of the time so to create such a narrow minded mentality and project it onto women was very foolish of me. Lesson learned.

But now I know and so do you. Hopefully, you can turn it around and I bet you will. There are still self aware, smart, good looking chicks with some values out there to raise kids with if you so choose down the road. Female coworkers blow, no argument there.

Consider checking out "No More Mr. Nice Guy", books by Ayn Rand, and stop taking chicks so serious. Theres 3 Billion of them, not that special.
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(08-17-2015 10:03 PM)greekgod Wrote:  OP, if you are through the stages of understanding the world for what it is, yes it is natural to hate them. I am not going to classify it with a false alpha/beta dichotomy. Stop thinking like that. You are the alpha in the nuclear reactor and the beta in classical music lessons. If you were "Alpha" all the time, you'd be dead. You would have not complied with a commanding officer or cop and got seriously roughed up. Alpha is just code word for leader. Two key components of being a leader is negotiation and compromise.

Back to the point of hating women; you don't hate them per say, you hate yourself for believing the bullshit and society for selling it to you. You, like 99.5% of everyone else here, thought that that bill of goods you were being sold on women was true. You've been returning to this supplier for years upon years to renew your procurement of their propaganda. Of course, this creates bitterness and resentment. You got duped and built your life and beliefs around many of these lies. Unfortunately, due to conditioning, we can't just "rip the bandaid" off and be readjusted to our world. Its more of festering wound the flares up and reminds us we are still "healing" from our "injury".

I'm nearing the end of this phase and just discovered today that I was dragging this phase out. Why? Because I was projecting my "internal standards" as "external expectations" onto the real world. My operating worldview as that since I am a good person, mean well, and practice altruism others will as well. That shit doesn't hold up with men 80% of the time so to create such a narrow minded mentality and project it onto women was very foolish of me. Lesson learned.

But now I know and so do you. Hopefully, you can turn it around and I bet you will. There are still self aware, smart, good looking chicks with some values out there to raise kids with if you so choose down the road. Female coworkers blow, no argument there.

Consider checking out "No More Mr. Nice Guy", books by Ayn Rand, and stop taking chicks so serious. Theres 3 Billion of them, not that special.

I don't see it. I see women with pity. How they think that love and relationships move the world around. I look outside my window and realize who built the infrastructure of my city...men. I sit at my panel at work and realize who's pushing submarine force to defend this country...men. So much is expected of me as a man

...yet so little of women. And this makes me bitter. I'm having so much trouble getting over this phase. Probably stress from work. And true, none of them are special. One or 2 chicks here and there don't really affect me. Being disrespected at work by them, being hit in public by them, having them take my brother away from my family, having them do damage to my property, having them ruin my reputation, and the list goes on .

I don't care how much game you have, this will wear out a man's psyche.

Funny that my disdain for them only turns them on. Life is hilarious like that.

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