Post: #51

I really wonder if his wealth could go anywhere near as far as he claims.

In political science class years ago I had a really good professor. He had been the mayor of a small town for over a decade and really knew his shit. He also had a clear passion for politics and American history which is why he became a professor while still engaging in local campaigns.

I remember his claiming that it was a universal truth in politics that the side that spends the most money wins. He pointed out that that is why it is so hard to route out politicians because they had access to the state coffers.

If you look at the last couple elections it is simply amazing how much money is raised and spent. Obama spent more than a billion dollars to get elected.

This election by see the winner spending two or even three times that much. It seems insane, but I wouldn't be surprised.

I would be surprised if Trump spent a billion or more of his own money. For one, billionaires don't have that type of fluid capital. Two, guys that are that wealthy tend to want to protect their wealth and/or grow it. So, I find it unlikely that he wouldn't be raising money or allying with certain interests.

Post: #52

(06-16-2015 04:41 PM)kaotic Wrote:  To wake people up ? To maybe point out maybe both sides aren't in our best interest ?

Why not have different opinions on the topic so it brings out good debate and POV's ?

This thread is in its infancy, I stated why I don't think Trump is a good candidate and doesn't have a chance.

This can still go somewhere intelligently - I still stand by corporations owning the vote.

I like Bernie Sanders. . .I *Liked* Obama, until he started trying to fast track the TPP:

Hell, I was annoyed when Obama pushed through the NDA a couple of years ago on Chirstmas day so that people wouldn't fight it. I was actually for universal health care, before the Republicans watered it down to its current form. I kind of think that Obama wanted to truly change, but after dealing with all of the bullshit, he was probably like "Fuck it" I'll toe the line the corporations/true powers that be want me to.

Post: #53

(06-17-2015 08:43 AM)CJ_W Wrote:  

(06-16-2015 04:41 PM)kaotic Wrote:  To wake people up ? To maybe point out maybe both sides aren't in our best interest ?

Why not have different opinions on the topic so it brings out good debate and POV's ?

This thread is in its infancy, I stated why I don't think Trump is a good candidate and doesn't have a chance.

This can still go somewhere intelligently - I still stand by corporations owning the vote.

I like Bernie Sanders. . .I *Liked* Obama, untill he started trying to fast track the TPP:

Socialism has never worked and never will work. Socialism is simply stealing middle class men's resources and handing them to women so they don't have to be productive or even decent towards men, and then giving the rest to the wealthy elites sitting on top of the whole system.

Post: #54

If the Presidency of the U.S.A is basically a sham to have the population think that they are being represented ( they're not are they?), and that Presidents are hand-picked by the elites, what's in it for a President? Kind of a high-stress job no?

If a President really has NO power to change anything relevant because he is an employee of the elites and he better do what they tell him what to do, or else he'll get Kennedy'd, what's in it for a President? What's his REAL job if it isn't really about doing what's best for his country?

Post: #55

(06-17-2015 09:20 AM)Zep Wrote:  If the Presidency of the U.S.A is basically a sham to have the population think that they are being represented ( they're not are they?), and that Presidents are hand-picked by the elites, what's in it for a President? Kind of a high-stress job no?

If a President really has NO power to change anything relevant because he is an employee of the elites and he better do what they tell him what to do, or else he'll get Kennedy'd, what's in it for a President? What's his REAL job if it isn't really about doing what's best for his country?

Bush spent a third of his presidency on vacation. Obama's taken less than half as much time off and still catches shit for it.

If you got to be the supposedly most powerful man in the world for four or even eight years, wouldn't you bust your ass more than these guys to improve the country as you see fit? Or is it that so much time is spent waiting to see what Congress is doing that you have to say, "fuck it, let's play 36 holes today?" Even then, would you be satisfied with endless little briefings or would you want to conduct, or at least direct, your own research?

I realize presidents are human, but they seem to have a lot of spare time.

Post: #56

(06-17-2015 09:58 AM)Rutting Elephant Wrote:  

(06-17-2015 09:20 AM)Zep Wrote:  If the Presidency of the U.S.A is basically a sham to have the population think that they are being represented ( they're not are they?), and that Presidents are hand-picked by the elites, what's in it for a President? Kind of a high-stress job no?

If a President really has NO power to change anything relevant because he is an employee of the elites and he better do what they tell him what to do, or else he'll get Kennedy'd, what's in it for a President? What's his REAL job if it isn't really about doing what's best for his country?

Bush spent a third of his presidency on vacation. Obama's taken less than half as much time off and still catches shit for it.

If you got to be the supposedly most powerful man in the world for four or even eight years, wouldn't you bust your ass more than these guys to improve the country as you see fit? Or is it that so much time is spent waiting to see what Congress is doing that you have to say, "fuck it, let's play 36 holes today?" Even then, would you be satisfied with endless little briefings or would you want to conduct, or at least direct, your own research?

I realize presidents are human, but they seem to have a lot of spare time.

Presidents are never really on vacation. They work where ever they go. So that is a non-starter.

Obama catches shit because we have a press conference about some horrible event, ISIS beheading a US citizen, and then within 10 minutes he is on the golf course. Personally I don't care, but that will rub a lot of people the wrong way.

I don't care if the President plays golf 12 hours a day, as long as he stops the process of the wealthy elites in their march to destroy the middle class. And that seems unlikely, as the wealthy elites own the govt.

As far as what is in it for the President himself. After he is out of office he and his family will be set for life. Giving speeches for $1,000,000+. Book deals. TV appearances. All the right connections. Their lineage for generations will attend the best schools and will be in high society. And they go down in history, where as 99.99% of men don't.

Post: #57

(06-17-2015 07:48 AM)Troll King Wrote:  I really wonder if his wealth could go anywhere near as far as he claims.

In political science class years ago I had a really good professor. He had been the mayor of a small town for over a decade and really knew his shit. He also had a clear passion for politics and American history which is why he became a professor while still engaging in local campaigns.

I remember his claiming that it was a universal truth in politics that the side that spends the most money wins. He pointed out that that is why it is so hard to route out politicians because they had access to the state coffers.

If you look at the last couple elections it is simply amazing how much money is raised and spent. Obama spent more than a billion dollars to get elected.

This election by see the winner spending two or even three times that much. It seems insane, but I wouldn't be surprised.

I would be surprised if Trump spent a billion or more of his own money. For one, billionaires don't have that type of fluid capital. Two, guys that are that wealthy tend to want to protect their wealth and/or grow it. So, I find it unlikely that he wouldn't be raising money or allying with certain interests.

Ross Perot was able to string himself along to the final lap and ballot aall on his own dtime. The rules have been rigged to prevent that from happening which is why you don't see any viable wealthy candidates running as independents any longer. Nadar was the one last crack. Trump isn't going to spend a billion to try and get on the final ballot, the establishment doles out the billions to whom they know will keep the status quo humming along.

Somebody like Trump would be happy winning some key primary states and getting to corral the campaign narrative into his corner. He has no shot at cabinet or any execuexecutive post so its all agenda pushing and having puppet control of the the canidates issues to focus on. Hr isn't spending a billion but he would blow millions trying yo lock down a key primary state. That would pre-lude a invinvitation to the GOP convention where a speech would be in order. Its all self-serving of course but for a rich guy with all the money he needs and a young as wife its all just a legacy play. I can't knock Trump. His schtick is all a act, behind the scenes he has trived and failed so many times and embodys the ccrass, stubborn, and arrogant capitalist American that is woven into the cultural fabric of the country.

Post: #58

Donald Trump reportedly paid actors $50 to cheer for him at his 2016 announcement



I guess you would have to be an actor to root for a clown like Donald. He will drop out before having to officially file. He just wants to get to a debate, draw some attention and then quit.

Quote:Real estate mogul Donald Trump is being accused of hiring actors to cheer for him at his 2016 presidential campaign announcement in New York City on Tuesday.

The allegations first surfaced in a post by anti-Trump activist and liberal blogger Angelo Carusone that was published on Medium shortly after Trump's event.

On Wednesday, The Hollywood Reporter said it obtained an email that allegedly came from a casting company named Extra Mile offering actors $50 to attend the announcement and pose as Trump supporters.

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/paid-acto...z3dNH5jCNh

Post: #59

If it's not obvious yet that politics is vaudeville en masse, then nothing is.

Post: #60

Yeah. Sure the guy is ... peculiar, but I'd rather a ruthless business man, who has personal experience bringing empires back from the brink, running the free world.

He's the president America needs... and deserves, now that I think about it.

Post: #61

Well it's great theater if nothing else.

Who doesn't want to tune into these debates?

Post: #62

(06-18-2015 12:35 AM)TheMan Wrote:  Yeah. Sure the guy is ... peculiar, but I'd rather a ruthless business man, who has personal experience bringing empires back from the brink, running the free world.

He's the president America needs... and deserves, now that I think about it.

We either get Rand Paul, whom I don't think the Republicans will give a chance to, Donald Trump, or another 4 years of the same shit we have had for the last 15 years.

Post: #63

(06-18-2015 02:04 AM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  

(06-18-2015 12:35 AM)TheMan Wrote:  Yeah. Sure the guy is ... peculiar, but I'd rather a ruthless business man, who has personal experience bringing empires back from the brink, running the free world.

He's the president America needs... and deserves, now that I think about it.

We either get Rand Paul, whom I don't think the Republicans will give a chance to, Donald Trump, or another 4 years of the same shit we have had for the last 15 years.

Reagan was the last half-decent president.

So actually this bullshit has been going on for 26 years.

Post: #64

(06-18-2015 12:39 AM)Sonsowey Wrote:  Well it's great theater if nothing else.

Who doesn't want to tune into these debates?

It will come out that Fox is paying him a lot of money to do this for TV ratings. Because though the Republicans have a few solid people, no one is really a magnetic personality. Usually debates are for the hardcore conservatives to watch. But now it is going to be a spectacle for the whole nation to watch.

Well played Fox News.

Post: #65

It would be hilarious if Trump became POTUS.

Hopefully him and Boris Johnson can be POTUS and Prime Minister at the same time.

I'd tune in for their press conferences!

Post: #66

(06-18-2015 09:14 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

(06-18-2015 02:04 AM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  

(06-18-2015 12:35 AM)TheMan Wrote:  Yeah. Sure the guy is ... peculiar, but I'd rather a ruthless business man, who has personal experience bringing empires back from the brink, running the free world.

He's the president America needs... and deserves, now that I think about it.

We either get Rand Paul, whom I don't think the Republicans will give a chance to, Donald Trump, or another 4 years of the same shit we have had for the last 15 years.

Reagan was the last half-decent president.

So actually this bullshit has been going on for 26 years.

Reagan was the best of the post JFK presidents. He was even better than some of the JFK and before presidents.

But IMO, the country died when JFK was assassinated. From what I understand he had plans to start to get rid of the Federal Reserve. LBJ took over and pushed the giant failed war on poverty and great society programs that have now failed. Then Nixon took us off the Gold Standard. Ford was just a place holder, and probably could have been okay. Carter was a disaster. Reagan was decent. After that it has been worse after worse.

So really the BS started in November 1963 and things just slowly and gradually get worse. I don't know if Trump would be any better, but outside of him or Paul, I see no one in either party that will be anything other than the status quo.

Post: #67

I am an Independent who lives and works in state sales tax and state income tax free New Hampshire and Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton really want New Hampshire independents votes.

I have contempt for the Democrats because they have morphed from the party of the worker to the party of the SJW welfare recipient state in response to the loss of millions of manufacturing jobs that used to support the basic working class family with no STEM education. The Democrats have also endorsed every form of mentally ill deviancy possible including legally sanctioned and government paid for self mutilation gender reassignment surgeries glorifying the likes of "Caitlin Jenner" and his-er publicity mongering attention whoring lgbTqstds lifestyle as a normally acceptable behavior with every major media outlet falling all over themselves with gushing praise for a mentally ill man that recently killed a women likely under the influence of his hormone preparatory gender bending meds - a family lost their mother due to his having to drive to Malibu will high as a kite under the influence of prescription meds. Does the media mention that he should be convicted for involuntary manslaughter at the minimum? NO - why - because they do not want to offend the LGBTQstds loving media and have their careers or businesses crushed in the process.

I have contempt for the Republicans who have morphed from the party of the Factory Owner Class to the Romney Offshore everything class to ANTI-AMERICAN countries with NO US Style EPA, OSHA or Social Security regulations driving the entire strategic manufacturing base offshore to China and its emerging cheaper labor neighboring countries Vietnam, Burma (Myanmar), Cambodia, Laos and North Freaking Korea. All while they lobby to keep China's main advantage that allows their factory working people to live on $3 per hour whereas North Americans can barely scrape by on $23 per hour or worse WalMart's standard starting $10 per hour. Walmart cynically drove all of its suppliers factories to China to crush the USA factory workers wages converting from factory wages you could support a family on post WWII to service economy wages families need EBT WIC etc subsidies to put food on their tables at Walmart prices the only place they can afford. Meanwhile the Romney offshorers take a solid USA based 10% net net cash cow manufacturer and buy it for a slight premium so the owners can buy Fidelity and Vanguard etc ETFs and retire in the sun while all of their once good paying $20 to $30 dollar per hour USA manufacturing jobs - that supported local city and towns tax bases - companies worth about 10 times multiple of annual earnings are transferred to Communist Red Army controlled Labor Camps in the guise of "Industrial Parks" with NO Labor, Safety or Environmental protections - so that the Mega Billionaires at Apple, HP and Microsoft can get their 100s of millions of gadgets made by mega sweatshop factories with Red Army guards forcing the workers to work 16 hour days 7 days a week with no benefits and a retirement plan of going back to their village and work rice paddies until they die. If this were a USA or Canadian factory the Media would be falling all over themselves demanding the Company execs be prosecuted for their illegal safety, environmental and labor crimes - yes what American corporations benefit from every day in China is illegal in most of the G7 countries. To ad insult to injury these Romney Offshored companies now with cheap slave labor and no regulation cash windfalls go public with a new Corporate Entity on the Hong Kong stock exchange ate crazy 60 times "growth" multiples racking in over a Trillion in offshore profits which they keep in their offshore accounts so they do not have to pay any USA Federal or Local Taxes further crippling US States Cities and Towns leaving YOU and your Children and Grandchildren with the deficits and demand to pay these bills less their communities file bankruptcy like Detroit and most of the former USA industrial cities.

I have contempt for the Libertarians who refuse to learn and grasp Monetary Sovereignty and Modern Monetary Theory and how electronic money really works in the modern world - calling the USA Money Supply "debt" and reducing said "Debt" crushes the availability of capital in the USA and the ability of you and I to grow and prosper with our own mega taxed and hyper regulated businesses... I am forced to use Fiverr, Elance and Odesk if I want to compete in the Globalized Diversified (slave labor) world which we are told by all party elites and the Forbes 510+ USA Billionaires is "good" for us.

All because China is allowed to manipulate its currency and limit its true relative global strength compared to the G7 and even G20 it systematically rapes economically with full support of the USA's 510+ Billionaires - except Donald Trump.

The USA is under constant attack in multiple wars the Obamunists REFUSE to acknowledge that the USA is in fact being systematically attacked by WTF? over...

1. ISIS recruits are actively joining the Radical ISLAMISTs movements in the USA and actually trying to cut the heads off of Law Enforcement Officers in the USA - a holy war that they are gaining ground in the Middle East, Pan Arab Africa and Sub Saharan Africa. They actively support the cultivation and export of Black Tar heroin and other opioids to poison and undermine and weaken the youth of all the infidel nations so they are unfit for military service to defend against the Islamists invasion and sharia conversion of Europe and eventually the Americas will strictly forbidding use or sale of same drugs in Muslim countries at the risk of immediate execution.

2. The NARCO Terrorists of Latin America - Trump is Right Mexico is now a fiefdom of 60 to 80 drugs gangs that have turned the Mexican economy - once a low cost labor assembly army for North American manufacturers (Moved to China) and forced to survive in Mexico's Narco Economy as tourism jobs plummet due to the rampant Crime across Mexico.

3. Immigrants - The rest of the world that wants to come here while the Obama administration encourages massive refugee immigration from mostly Islamist countries creating a breeding ground for future Sharia warriors in our midst - NO skills requirements, NO loyalty Oath and NO assimilation.

4. CHINA - aggressively hacking every computer network in the G20 especially the USA to steal all of our demographic and Intellectual property so they can not only compete against the USA - but CRUSH our ability to oppose their colonization and control of the worlds resources including North America. Obama himself is not only ignoring the above but arrogantly demanding fast track trade authority so he can cram the TPP Trans Pacific partnership down the Americans throats under dark of night in the cloak of secrecy - If this bill and NAFTA on trans pacific steroids is so good for Americans that why not let it stand scrutiny of the light of day? Leaks basically give lopsided control of US China trade so they can open factories manned by CHINESE workers with family back home so they can be controlled. in North America with cheap local access to the massive inexpensive to tap US Energy Reserves (relative to deep ocean drilling in the South China Sea) that China simply does not have and needs.

5. Russia in retaliation for sanctions is encouraging its best and brightest STEM grads to actively hack and steal the identities of most Americans - over 4 Million Federal Employees from the central OPM database and worse over 100 Million "FULLZ" health care accounts in major BCBS providers nationwide - this means YOU or somebody close to and related to you can expect massive Indentity Theft Fraud, IRS Tax Refund fraud, and ACA/Medicare/Medicaid claims fraud and even fraudulent issuance of new Credit Lines not to mention fruadulent real estate transfers soon. Russian and Ukrainian organized crime bring people here on vacations where they work as much fraud as they can for 90 to 180 days or more - the time it takes for anti fraud law enforcement to get a clue to their crimes (Let you miss one quarterly business IRS Tax payment and they will seize your accounts yet organized EE crime syndicates runs amok.

As soon as these Crime-trepreneurs bag a few millions and split it with their syndicate bosses they vanish collapsing their shell companies and leaving no trace as they disappear in offshore money laundry havens and make their way to their FSU allied no extradition countries - Cuba, Bolivia, Venezuela, SEA etc., and eventually back home to enjoy their massive tax free ill gotten gains.

Why? Obama's core urban and liberals SJW base in the USA has no jobs and is barely surviving on myriad government programs so Obama now sees his future depends upon cramming through TPP under dark of night so he can then get legal donations to his Library and OUI Obama Universal Initiative foundations plus huge Speaking fees from foreign entities instructing them how to continue to rape and destroy America and its dwindling middle class.

The Idea the Main Madness Media and the haters are calling the One Man a CLOWN who has amassed a diversified near $10 Billion after tax fortune with out being assassinated by the IRS, NSA, CIA or the MOB or Mexican and Chinese and ISIS agents and calls them all out for their high crimes and treason against America and calling out the current Administration for allowing five major active wars against the USA is laudable (ISIS, China, Drugs, Illegal immigrants and Russia full circle crime syndicates).

Being patriotic while calling all of the Traitors out on the mass media carpet he manipulates at will - will likely earn Donald Trump my highly sought after independent military veteran New Hampshire first in the USA vote.

Even after I have donated $50 to both Rand and Ron Pauls campaign and PACs respectively.

Trump/Oprah - the man does know how to phuck with the Media... in one fell swoop he counters the media hate - how can they hate him when he is pro Oprah - a so called self made media whoring Billionairess in the Trump mold.

No hate here JUST a strong dose of REALITY in the Obamanating decay of America - Enjoy the Decline - is Trump right is the American dream dead for all of US?

May be time to find a low tax non repressive tropical haven that the Chinese and ISIS have not targeted for takeover perhaps URUGUAY or Cambodia anyone?

Post: #68

^^

Post: #69

DeepDiver literally dove deep into this myriad.

And...there isn't much I can't disagree on his essay - I might of changed my mind.

That was a GREAT breakdown.

Post: #70

There's a lot in there I don't understand.

Post: #71

I'm surprised so many people are calling Trump "a clown".

I get it in a way but he's just considered "a clown" because he has opinions and voices them which are not the trendy opinions approved by the schools/government/media. Anyone who voices opinions that are not the trendy ones gets made fun of in the media.

Any candidate who does NOT get railed by the media is by definition mouthing the precisely appropriate, pre-approved, school/government/media sanctioned positions of the time.

If a group of four talking heads on CNN get together and all agree that what Candidate X says is totally reasonable, you should in no way think that this is true. Just know they're all on the same team, and that team is not your team.

Would Trump be a better President than Bush, Clinton, Rubio? I have no idea, but these people all seem equally clownish. The obvious difference is they have been training for this for years, and thus know that they should only have trendy opinions. Trump dares to say some things he "shouldn't" say, and thus is not a "good" politician because he doesn't bullshit people and lie to them so that they like him.

I doubt anyone like him would win but I certainly would be more upset if we ended up with Bush or Clinton than if we ended up with Trump.

Post: #72

(06-18-2015 09:35 AM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  Reagan was the best of the post JFK presidents. He was even better than some of the JFK and before presidents..

I can't decide which Reagan accomplishment was greater, treasonously selling missiles to the Assaholah or bailing out of Beirut after losing 241 Marines to Hezbollah.

Post: #73

(06-18-2015 02:16 PM)Rutting Elephant Wrote:  

(06-18-2015 09:35 AM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  Reagan was the best of the post JFK presidents. He was even better than some of the JFK and before presidents..

I can't decide which Reagan accomplishment was greater, treasonously selling missiles to the Assaholah or bailing out of Beirut after losing 241 Marines to Hezbollah.

He wasn't perfect. But he was far better than LBJ selling out fathers every where with welfare, Nixon selling out the USD by dropping the gold standard, Carter making a mess of everything, and the clowns who came after him.

Post: #74

Most business executives & successful people have asshole personalities because they've been making tough decisions for a long time, that's a natural result of dealing with stress and having a big responsibility.

We are so used to politically correct college administrators, career politicians, and other fruity public figures who live easy lives in figurehead jobs that's what people are comfortable with.....treating every issue with kiddie gloves.

I liked how Trump ripped into Mexico as using the U.S. as a dumping ground for its worse citizens, that's the kind of straight talk we need.

Most people aren't comfortable with a harsh, edgy personality like Trump but that's exactly what we need.

Post: #75

Alpha Prime = Asshole game - read up on the Shite Steve Jobs pulled - basically stole Pixar from the Founders and made more money for his legacy there than with Apple - his wife (and kids?) now the single major shareholder of Disney

Alpha Billionaire Prime = FU money Asshole game - they do not have to suck up to anybody

Larry Ellison, Michael Bloomberg, Sheldon Adelson and Donald Trump do not suck up to anybody...

Especially trump with no Shareholders to answer to like Buffet or Gates or Zuckerberg...

Trump is shining the light of inconvenient truth on the SJW spin the Clintonistas and Obamunists have been trying to sell for decades... Hillary and her Media protectorate are terrified of Trump you can tell by the way they so viciously attack him - if nothing else takes a lot of media heat off of Jeb Bush who is the rightful inheritor of the Bush legacy - read the real Blue Blooded Trillionaires Foundation controlling owners of the USA that the Forbes 510+ US Billionaires answer too or else.

Will Donald Trump win - who knows - but will he cut through the moose shite being stomped around all over New Hampshire and winnow out the weak GOPers and Dems and possibly deal a fatal blow to Hillary if she ever decides to debate - bet on it... if he keeps up attacking our list of mortal enemies in my essay above - he wins my NH primary vote which really counts - as much as I admire Rand Paul - Trump has not asked me for a dime - just my primary vote.