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Well at least the government shutdown is working.

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(09-21-2018 09:31 AM)kosko Wrote:  For the folks who stay ignorant and hating and not improving their situation during these Trump years, it will be bleak and cold once the good times stop.
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"The only purpose for which power can be rightfully exercised over any member of a civilised community, against his will, is to prevent harm to others...in the part which merely concerns himself, his independence is, of right, absolute." - John Stuart Mill, On Liberty
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Trump should up the pressure by declassifying documents. That seemed to scare the shit out of everyone last time.
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(01-10-2019 04:02 AM)Captainstabbin Wrote:  Trump should up the pressure by declassifying documents. That seemed to scare the shit out of everyone last time.


ZERO chance of that happening.
Trump chickened out like a pussy in 2017 and didn't even have the guts to open all documents on the JFK assassination from way back in 1963.
But if you like fantasyland the q-anon thread is this way:

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CBS was running their live fact checking during Trump's speech hoping to find anything they could use to attack. When their fact checking proved Trump right, they deleted it.

Quote:CBS News on Tuesday deleted a "fact check" of one of President Trump's claims during his Oval Office address to the nation after it showed the president was right.

Fact check: 1 in 3 women sexually assaulted while traveling to cross the border

CLAIM: The president claimed one in three women have been sexually assaulted traveling to the border.

FACT: Between 60 percent and 80 percent of female migrants traveling through Mexico are raped along the way, Amnesty International estimates.

That's right, Trump said 33%, but the real number is at least twice that.
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(01-10-2019 12:02 PM)Captainstabbin Wrote:  CBS was running their live fact checking during Trump's speech hoping to find anything they could use to attack. When their fact checking proved Trump right, they deleted it.

Quote:CBS News on Tuesday deleted a "fact check" of one of President Trump's claims during his Oval Office address to the nation after it showed the president was right.

Fact check: 1 in 3 women sexually assaulted while traveling to cross the border

CLAIM: The president claimed one in three women have been sexually assaulted traveling to the border.

FACT: Between 60 percent and 80 percent of female migrants traveling through Mexico are raped along the way, Amnesty International estimates.

That's right, Trump said 33%, but the real number is at least twice that.

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Well yeah, most of the Mexicans coming into the country are rapists and drug dealers. It’s an uncomfortable fact that a lot of Americans don’t want to hear

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^^ what?! Come on now. Illegal immigration is bullshit, but the vast majority of those border crossers are not criminals. Just poor ass people trying to escape. Ron Unz actually wrote a piece on this recently, about the alt-right vastly exaggerating Mexican crime in the US. Trump has played into that as well, while ignoring the elephant of legal immigration and inner-city (black) crime.

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The country would face an economic hellscape if the government shutdown lasts "months or even years," as the president has suggested it might, experts tell NBC News.

The doomsday scenario might be unlikely — the longest the federal government has ever shut down is 21 days, a record that will fall if the current closure lasts until Saturday — but it is chilling.

"We'll be in no man's land," Mark Zandi, chief economist at Moody's Analytics, told NBC News.

If the worst were to happen, experts say the devastating impact would be widespread:

38 million low-income Americans lose food stamps
6 million face an uncertain timetable for collecting tax refunds
2 million without rental assistance and facing possible eviction
800,000 paycheck-less federal employees plunged into dire financial straits
Shuttered parks and museums while overstressed airports cause tourism to tank
Federal court system slows to a crawl
Disaster relief money doesn't get to storm-ravaged areas
Lapsed FDA and EPA inspections lead to dangerous outbreaks
Private companies looking to go public are stuck in limbo
Stock market plummets
The end isn't near — yet. But if the standoff persists — talks blew up at the White House on Wednesday — and Congress and President Donald Trump can't reach a deal on raising the debt ceiling in a few months, "it's game over — you'll have a pretty severe recession," Zandi said, adding that given the trade war with China, and Brexit looming, "you could start seeing some pretty dark scenarios" worldwide.


Interesting facts on who will actually get affected should this thing continue. Looks like a bunch of Democrats don't get their gibmedats.

I think Trump is for real on this one. Unfortunately, so are the Democrats. Neither one of them wants to sign the death warrant to their political regime.

Trump is going to have to declare a national emergency, because he's not going to get the signatures for the wall.
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Well fuck, if "experts" say it, we'd better reopen the government now.

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Quote:what?! Come on now. Illegal immigration is bullshit, but the vast majority of those border crossers are not criminals

You’ve been on this forum for a while and should know better than to repeat fake news talking points about how migrants are mostly good people

Quote:FACT: Between 60 percent and 80 percent of female migrants traveling through Mexico are raped along the way, Amnesty International estimates.

These facts speak for themselves. Obviously I’m not suggesting 60 to 80% of Mexicans are rapists. That sort of nonsense is right up there with feminists saying 1 out of 2 girls on college campuses are getting raped. I’m saying of the immigrants coming into the country, most of them are criminals and not hard working economic migrants(we are talking about the men coming into the country). Sure sone of this is from coyotes but the big myth we have been sold is that the people coming into the country illegally are the best and brightest. Some are honest and hard working, many of them are criminals and we should start waking up to that fact. We need a wall

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(01-10-2019 01:09 PM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  ^^ what?! Come on now. Illegal immigration is bullshit, but the vast majority of those border crossers are not criminals. Just poor ass people trying to escape. Ron Unz actually wrote a piece on this recently, about the alt-right vastly exaggerating Mexican crime in the US. Trump has played into that as well, while ignoring the elephant of legal immigration and inner-city (black) crime.

Oh really? If the majority of Mexicans are good, decent people who are just like Americans, the British, French, Germans, Swedes etc then why is Mexico, like most of these countries outside the West, an absolute shit hole with extreme violence and high murder rates?

"Some nice areas" with cartels and corrupt governments doing whatever they like, whenever they like.

Why do areas with large Hispanic populations have problems with gangs, drugs and corruption?

A village, town, city, state and country is made up of its people.
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^^ Part of it has to do with a corrupt government.

Then again I live in New York where corruption is rife.

But my point was that many of the people coming into the country are criminals. Drugs come into the country money goes out. Part of me thinks the only way we win this battle is to legalize all drugs.

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(01-09-2019 06:25 PM)durangotang Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 04:35 PM)AneroidOcean Wrote:  If a steel slat barrier/fence (whatever you want to call it) is essentially as effective as a concrete barrier, what exactly is your problem with it? There are all manner of walls/barriers/fences that are effective depending on WHERE they are being installed and WHAT kind of commitment the intruders in that area generally have.

What matters is not a particular type of barrier, what matters is if it gets built and if it's effective.

Quit this "oh it's not a wall" crying. If the Border Patrol considers it effective (and it is), it could have rainbows and unicorns on it for all I care.

Your negativity and willingness to ridicule a man who has done far, far, far more than anyone thought possible before he was even a presidential candidate is disgusting.

Speak about things that are important, and speak with sound arguments, not sarcasm and whining. This passive aggressiveness is feminine and weak-minded.

I have done my best to spell out the situation without attacking people. If you want to fight, I can do that too.





And if, by chance I happen to make a smart ass comment to someone with an Israeli flag next to their name who tells us how brilliant it is that Trump didn't declare a national emergency and is prolonging the government shutdown - well then hat's a golden opportunity to attack me. Why would TheBeast1 care about the wall, after all his people have one (and it is very effective)!

(01-09-2019 04:53 PM)The Beast1 Wrote:  I don't care about the wall. Trump starving the government beast is the best thing possible.

He still gets my vote.

It's like the script writes itself. Yeah, Trump is really starving the beast. I have an idea, why don't we eliminate the 10 year $38 billion Israeli military aid package?

From the present Goals for 2019 thread:

(12-31-2018 03:41 PM)The Beast1 Wrote:  Be more Jewish!

I appreciate the honesty.

Edit: Trolling?

(01-09-2019 05:04 PM)CaptainChardonnay Wrote:  A common pattern has been faggot concern trolls appearing when things get tense and then leaving when Trump pulls another win. Team wait and see has been racking up a lot more wins than team faggot concern troll.

Keep the emotional outburst to yourself, its embarrassing and makes you look like a fool.

Edit: I falsely assumed @CaptainChardonnay was Israeli on account of his flag and attributed his motive to that here. Redacted.

As for you AneroidOcean, since you actually live here presumably, I could care less if the wall is steel or concrete as long as it serves it's function. I am not a fan of open slats as it wouldn't be effective against drug smuggling, but the idea is growing on me because it will be more difficult for Millennials and Illegals to have their Berlin Wall moment one day. A steel wall would be more difficult to tear down - and that is probably the fate of the wall unless Trump steps up his game and goes after anchor babies and begins deportations. Any permanent effective structure will do and quickly please. Note: I am not a fan of the steel wall pictured below as it's too short, too shallow, and too easily allow would people to hook a rope or rest a ladder on the top.

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No, the reason I keep harping on him not calling it "the wall" is because he is failing to hold frame. He is breaking frame and now won't even call his signature campaign promise by it's own name. Does anyone think that this pivot is psychologically beneficial for the Trump movement? Does anyone think that Democrats are going to budge on the wall because Trump is referring to it as a "physical barrier?" Nobody is fooled. It only increases the likelihood of undesirable compromise for our side because we can't even positively self identify and hold our own frame. This type of attitude certainly isn't how Israel got it's wall - or Hungary for that matter.

In the beginning of Trump's address to the nation, the border situation was framed as a humanitarian crises affecting women and children before he even listed our own interests as Americans - and even then he was careful to assert that blacks and Latino's were most affected. He couldn't even positively assert the identity of all Americans. Stepping into the left's frame like is not how we advance our interests. All we can do is wait and see if Trump actually declares a national emergency to build the wall, if that is even feasible, or too see what kind of crappy deal for a "physical barrier" he get's from Chuck and Nancy and Jared Kushner. Hopefully that deal doesn't include the word DACA.

People can't have it both ways. On one hand, Trump sucks at working the Political football and needs to a better job at getting first downs instead of always going for a touchdown.

Trump, during that speech was in position and sell mode. He was selling the situation to the people, largely to moderates and groups where he would need the support. Traditional politicos make a living from this as they pander left and right to everyone. Trump has to pander and sell this to an extent and recognizing that those, who are hurt the most from illegal immigration - legal Latino-Americans and African-Americans is not a bad strategy IMO.
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(01-10-2019 02:26 PM)eradicator Wrote:  ^^ Part of it has to do with a corrupt government.

Then again I live in New York where corruption is rife.

But my point was that many of the people coming into the country are criminals. Drugs come into the country money goes out. Part of me thinks the only way we win this battle is to legalize all drugs.

Don't be silly.... its all women, children and Mexican choir boys who illegally cross our border to the south in hopes of having a new life and spreading the good word of Jesus, Bob Marley, and Mr Rogers.

Building a wall to keep them out would be immoral...as walls tend to be immoral

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(01-10-2019 01:30 PM)Graft Wrote:  
38 million low-income Americans lose food stamps
2 million without rental assistance and facing possible eviction

Can we keep those two once the government reopens?

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Low IQ Jim Acosta inadvertently reveals WALLS WORK!


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(01-10-2019 02:20 PM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  
(01-10-2019 01:09 PM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  ^^ what?! Come on now. Illegal immigration is bullshit, but the vast majority of those border crossers are not criminals. Just poor ass people trying to escape. Ron Unz actually wrote a piece on this recently, about the alt-right vastly exaggerating Mexican crime in the US. Trump has played into that as well, while ignoring the elephant of legal immigration and inner-city (black) crime.

Oh really? If the majority of Mexicans are good, decent people who are just like Americans, the British, French, Germans, Swedes etc then why is Mexico, like most of these countries outside the West, an absolute shit hole with extreme violence and high murder rates?

"Some nice areas" with cartels and corrupt governments doing whatever they like, whenever they like.

Why do areas with large Hispanic populations have problems with gangs, drugs and corruption?

A village, town, city, state and country is made up of its people.

It's the corrupt government they live under. If they were only able to get that corruption off of their backs they would live exactly how modern western nations do.

Who cares that the Middle Eastern, Asian, and White communities in LA are generally nice and pleasant to live in - despite having a shitty, corrupt local government.

The only reason that that the Hispanic neighborhoods in LA are utter shit is because of racism. No other reason - nope nothing to see here folks.
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(01-10-2019 01:09 PM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  ^^ what?! Come on now. Illegal immigration is bullshit, but the vast majority of those border crossers are not criminals. Just poor ass people trying to escape. Ron Unz actually wrote a piece on this recently, about the alt-right vastly exaggerating Mexican crime in the US. Trump has played into that as well, while ignoring the elephant of legal immigration and inner-city (black) crime.

Let's assume you and Unz are right (debatable)... At what point
are there too many "poor ass people trying to escape"?
Is 50 million not enough?!? Supermajority in TX, CA, AZ etc?

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"A wall won't work"

"A wall is immoral"

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(01-10-2019 01:09 PM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  ^^ what?! Come on now. Illegal immigration is bullshit, but the vast majority of those border crossers are not criminals. Just poor ass people trying to escape. Ron Unz actually wrote a piece on this recently, about the alt-right vastly exaggerating Mexican crime in the US. Trump has played into that as well, while ignoring the elephant of legal immigration and inner-city (black) crime.

MOST or ALL illegals rape (SEE previous post to TigerMandingo) claim is nonsense, of course. But the federal US Commission on Sentencing - which covers federal prisons - found that illegals are overrepresented by 2X to over 4X times, depending on the offensive category.

At the State level, these may be higher, which is highly likely in California, the state with the highest level of illegal migration and with the most aggressive "sanctuary" laws in a far-left, one-party state. However, the states do not keep official data on citizens versus non-citizen criminal offenders. (And from sampled sets of criminal data, there are higher estimates. https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2015/...rime-wave/ )

Yet the first data point is authoritative: 2 to 4 times higher - for illegals than US citizens (as found by the federal US Commission on Sentencing); that's a lot higher.

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(01-10-2019 12:26 PM)eradicator Wrote:  Well yeah, most of the Mexicans coming into the country are rapists and drug dealers. It’s an uncomfortable fact that a lot of Americans don’t want to hear

There are plenty of good Mexicans. If they immigrate, they do it legally.
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(01-10-2019 03:03 PM)Dusty Wrote:  Low IQ Jim Acosta inadvertently reveals WALLS WORK!


This is all part of the new narrative since T's address.

Up until then, for months, all you heard about the border was a "humanitarian crisis at the border", photos of sad burrito womans, and the latest "CHILDREN ARE DYING" (from parental neglect).

Now that T has said "yeah, there is a humanitarian crisis" suddenly every network is running a story that there is no crisis.


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Lol what is this crazy guy talking about, a crisis?. They know he has flipped it on them and that he could use that rhetoric to declare an emergency, so they have to now say the opposite, no matter how shameless and blatant their actions are.

(For those who didn't get it or didn't like it in his address, this is precisely why T emphasized the bad things happening to women and children etc)

So you get Jim AcostYa filming at the tamest, walled areas of the border "look everything is great at the border, there's even a burger king right over there. No problems".

Even though we're all used to this, it's still amazing how utterly shameless they are and how little think of our intelligence.

It's the new attack line by the media today. What crisis?




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(01-10-2019 12:26 PM)eradicator Wrote:  Well yeah, most of the Mexicans coming into the country are rapists and drug dealers. It’s an uncomfortable fact that a lot of Americans don’t want to hear

There are plenty of good Mexicans. If they immigrate, they do it legally.


True, I should specify I'm talking about boarder runners.

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The showdown: Donald Trump the Aryan President seeking to solidify his country's borders, against the efforts of a Jew and a woman.

Seriously you can't script this any better.
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