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(09-10-2019 07:37 PM)CynicalContrarian Wrote:  

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/mich...ng-hearing

The fact that evidence was withheld in order to make Flynn look guilty is beyond ****ed up. Sadly I see this all the time with America's injustice system. Innocent people are forced to waste years of their lives while prosecutors game the system to make a quick buck at the defendant's expense.

So disgusting. Laws must be changed over this, Trump needs to push for a prosecutorial misconduct bill that punishes prosecutors who do evil acts.

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Big laugh - chart of the day.

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The price of oil actually dropped when Bolton got fired, lol! Without the threat of a ME war, no one fears a disruption to the oil supply and prices drop a full 1% with more to come tomorrow, I expect.

Firing Bolton means we get cheaper gas at the pump boys!

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This felt like good news (let's see who replaces him, though).

But what made my day was the absolute pummeling I saw in Shapiro's Twitter comments.

It's powerful to watch. The Great Noticing is underway.

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(09-10-2019 09:07 PM)Samseau Wrote:  Big laugh - chart of the day.

[Image: 2019-09-10_11-33-55.jpg?itok=GEqcKQFb]

The price of oil actually dropped when Bolton got fired, lol! Without the threat of a ME war, no one fears a disruption to the oil supply and prices drop a full 1% with more to come tomorrow, I expect.

Firing Bolton means we get cheaper gas at the pump boys!

In some overseas provinces of the American empire (like my home country) the oligarchs have a nexus of taxes and regulations that do not allow fluctuations like this to affect their bottom line, so prices do not go down at the pump at least for us and I suspect some other countries. Not that I care, just an observation.

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(09-10-2019 08:59 PM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  I wouldn’t get too excited about Bolton.

Garbage in, garbage out.


I agree.
Any organisation which has a high staff turnover is being run badly.
Lots of recently hired people quitting their jobs (or getting fired) is the number 1 sign of terrible management.
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Yes, you're right Caduceus. HR should have sat down with Bolton and given him a Performance Improvement Plan. After a couple more years of advocating for for-profit wars in the Middle East maybe they could move to the step of letting him go, after properly documenting all his missed improvement goals of course.
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(09-11-2019 04:13 AM)Malone Wrote:  Yes, you're right Caduceus. HR should have sat down with Bolton and given him a Performance Improvement Plan. After a couple more years of advocating for for-profit wars in the Middle East maybe they could move to the step of letting him go, after properly documenting all his missed improvement goals of course.


Dude....Trump hired the guy in the first place.
If you keep hiring the wrong people over and over, you're a shit manager.
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delete- belongs in the complaints thread, as per the peace negotiations.

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(09-11-2019 04:19 AM)Caduceus Wrote:  Dude....Trump hired the guy in the first place.
If you keep hiring the wrong people over and over, you're a shit manager.


Anonymous Conservative's take on the matter is an interesting one.

The high turn over rate is partly due to person X only being required for time-frame Y.
But also to impede The Cabal's surveillance of various individuals.

As in, by the time The Big Club has ramped up surveillance of assistant to the department of X.
Trump swaps said assistant out & all the efforts of The Big Club now go to waste, as they have to start all over again for the next person...
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^ Let’s go with Occam’s razor instead. Trump’s too dumb for these convoluted schemes and he just hires whoever Javanka recommends.
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Occams razor is the wrong principle to assume when talking about the highest level of international relations and statecraft. Do you really think the most powerful people and organisations in the world, and the interplay between them is that simplistic? That there's nothing more to it than meets the eye?
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I think Trump is. And some others. Remember Roosh’s piece on how the elites are actually dumber than we think. He’s been given waaaaaay too much credit with all that 4D chess crap. The guy is a simpleton.

I’m not really sure what people are seeing with Trump that I’m not seeing.
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(09-11-2019 08:17 AM)king bast Wrote:  Occams razor is the wrong principle to assume when talking about the highest level of international relations and statecraft. Do you really think the most powerful people and organisations in the world, and the interplay between them is that simplistic? That there's nothing more to it than meets the eye?

The explanation for him switching people out so quickly due to surveillance by the deep state is plausible. It makes great sense.

But why is he hiring anyone that goes against his agenda? Especially when he won with such razor thin margins and the room for error is nil.

I'm not arguing I am just wondering if anyone can give their explanation for this.
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(09-11-2019 08:22 AM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  
(09-11-2019 08:17 AM)king bast Wrote:  Occams razor is the wrong principle to assume when talking about the highest level of international relations and statecraft. Do you really think the most powerful people and organisations in the world, and the interplay between them is that simplistic? That there's nothing more to it than meets the eye?

The explanation for him switching people out so quickly due to surveillance by the deep state is plausible. It makes great sense.

But why is he hiring anyone that goes against his agenda? Especially when he won with such razor thin margins and the room for error is nil.

I'm not arguing I am just wondering if anyone can give their explanation for this.

He likes to get different perspectives / and for his image also.

About Trump being a simpleton, he was very dialed into a whole lot of concepts that most of the rest of the politicians had no clue about in 2016, and he continues to show great instincts and very high IQ.

About the firings, maybe it's a stylistic way of doing things. I think it's working. He's getting results.

I am very happy he fired Bolton also, and it's possible he had him in there just to get a different perspective, but also for the theatrics to fire a Neocon type. But I think most likely he wants a different perspective but he had seen and heard enough of this guy so he fired him. That's what I think happened in this instance.

Cheers!

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Then with the Bolton types.
There's the whole - friends close / enemies closer principle.
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Occams Razor, whatever Trump is doing with staff turnover, it’s leading to a peace and prosperity we haven’t seen in decades.

Also, a mash up of John Bolton and Michael Bolton.

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(09-10-2019 08:46 PM)Dilated Wrote:  I don’t know why the hell I cannot quote specific member posts (operator error?) but TigerMandingo you are SPOT ON.

My ex-wife is black (I’m white) and they truly would prefer that you don’t exist. Truly. They don’t have the #’s to outright say it but the contempt they have for white America is unparalleled.

It’s disgusting.

Every collective failure of black America is laid at the feet of white America. Think- if it’s never your fault...you never have to change anything.

The Dems play right into this.

That sounds like a fun relationship. Did you discover that she hates you and your entire genetic lineage before or after you married her? The sex must have been some mind-blowing, toe-curling, taboo hate-banging...
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I couldn’t find a 9/11 thread so I’ll post this here as an example of bad multikulti and CNN extremism, check out the outrages artwork CNN’s Iranian born Christiane Amanpour has at her house:

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And this is what she says about it:

..."A massive painting that I got in Iran, a few years ago, by Farideh Lashai, a friend who is also Iran’s pre-eminent abstract-expressionist painter. *It gives me joy* every time I walk in my door"...


Images of Muslims killing thousands of Americans gives her joy.

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Amanpour isn’t even a Muslim. She’s married to a high-level banker Jew and is pretty much a full-blown neocon. She was a huge cheerleader of the Iraq war. And I guess she has shitty taste in art, too.
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(09-11-2019 09:10 AM)Freebird Flying Wrote:  
(09-11-2019 08:22 AM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  
(09-11-2019 08:17 AM)king bast Wrote:  Occams razor is the wrong principle to assume when talking about the highest level of international relations and statecraft. Do you really think the most powerful people and organisations in the world, and the interplay between them is that simplistic? That there's nothing more to it than meets the eye?

The explanation for him switching people out so quickly due to surveillance by the deep state is plausible. It makes great sense.

But why is he hiring anyone that goes against his agenda? Especially when he won with such razor thin margins and the room for error is nil.

I'm not arguing I am just wondering if anyone can give their explanation for this.

He likes to get different perspectives / and for his image also.

About Trump being a simpleton, he was very dialed into a whole lot of concepts that most of the rest of the politicians had no clue about in 2016, and he continues to show great instincts and very high IQ.

About the firings, maybe it's a stylistic way of doing things. I think it's working. He's getting results.

I am very happy he fired Bolton also, and it's possible he had him in there just to get a different perspective, but also for the theatrics to fire a Neocon type. But I think most likely he wants a different perspective but he had seen and heard enough of this guy so he fired him. That's what I think happened in this instance.

Cheers!

I agree with Freebird, and would also say that I think he has to play factions of the deep state off against each other. He brings in various representatives of these factions for a while and gives them some slack on the line before reeling them in. You can see him playing this game again and again.

Playing off rivals against each other and keeping your enemies close are both time honored strategies in politics and leadership. He brought Bolton in to have a close eye on the war mongers, and to let them spend their efforts though him to advocate for war. Then when he's ready, he drops them and gets someone else.

If he put truly pure ideologues in these positions, they will have no power base to operate from within the various existing agencies, and they won't be able to get anyone to follow their lead. That's the problem Trump has in his own case. He has to make use of people who currently have some credibility within the various agencies, and then find a way to move people around and gradually push these agencies in the direction he wants.

Another way of looking at the choice of Bolton was to create a tough stance in his negotiations with Iran, NK, and others. He doesn't want war with them, but if he goes into negotiations with them acting like he'd never react to their provocations, he would look weak. Instead he goes in saying that he won't put up with their shit, and is ready to kick their asses if they don't knock it off, so he needs to have war mongers in key positions to create a credible threat.

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(09-11-2019 11:18 AM)RoastBeefCurtains4Me Wrote:  
(09-11-2019 09:10 AM)Freebird Flying Wrote:  
(09-11-2019 08:22 AM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  
(09-11-2019 08:17 AM)king bast Wrote:  Occams razor is the wrong principle to assume when talking about the highest level of international relations and statecraft. Do you really think the most powerful people and organisations in the world, and the interplay between them is that simplistic? That there's nothing more to it than meets the eye?

The explanation for him switching people out so quickly due to surveillance by the deep state is plausible. It makes great sense.

But why is he hiring anyone that goes against his agenda? Especially when he won with such razor thin margins and the room for error is nil.

I'm not arguing I am just wondering if anyone can give their explanation for this.

He likes to get different perspectives / and for his image also.

About Trump being a simpleton, he was very dialed into a whole lot of concepts that most of the rest of the politicians had no clue about in 2016, and he continues to show great instincts and very high IQ.

About the firings, maybe it's a stylistic way of doing things. I think it's working. He's getting results.

I am very happy he fired Bolton also, and it's possible he had him in there just to get a different perspective, but also for the theatrics to fire a Neocon type. But I think most likely he wants a different perspective but he had seen and heard enough of this guy so he fired him. That's what I think happened in this instance.

Cheers!

I agree with Freebird, and would also say that I think he has to play factions of the deep state off against each other. He brings in various representatives of these factions for a while and gives them some slack on the line before reeling them in. You can see him playing this game again and again.

Playing off rivals against each other and keeping your enemies close are both time honored strategies in politics and leadership. He brought Bolton in to have a close eye on the war mongers, and to let them spend their efforts though him to advocate for war. Then when he's ready, he drops them and gets someone else.

If he put truly pure ideologues in these positions, they will have no power base to operate from within the various existing agencies, and they won't be able to get anyone to follow their lead. That's the problem Trump has in his own case. He has to make use of people who currently have some credibility within the various agencies, and then find a way to move people around and gradually push these agencies in the direction he wants.

Another way of looking at the choice of Bolton was to create a tough stance in his negotiations with Iran, NK, and others. He doesn't want war with them, but if he goes into negotiations with them acting like he'd never react to their provocations, he would look weak. Instead he goes in saying that he won't put up with their shit, and is ready to kick their asses if they don't knock it off, so he needs to have war mongers in key positions to create a credible threat.

Excellent analysis, and probably true.

But mind you, it won't work forever, this strategy, unfortunately.

I mean, with no war started against Maduro, and no physical retaliation against the Iranian militia seizing a Western supertanker, it is now quite obvious that President Trump really doesn't want to use massive and deadly force.

So the question now is, how to restore a "credible threat" scenario? Because as it is, the Venezuelan, Iranian or NK leaders sleep quite very well. It might be good for world stability after all - or not, time will tell.

And that's why, if I had to bet, I'd bet that President Trump will use (contained, not excessive) military force at some point, if only to keep foreign adversaries frightened and on their toes.
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(09-11-2019 01:21 PM)Going strong Wrote:  
(09-11-2019 11:18 AM)RoastBeefCurtains4Me Wrote:  
(09-11-2019 09:10 AM)Freebird Flying Wrote:  
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(09-11-2019 08:17 AM)king bast Wrote:  Occams razor is the wrong principle to assume when talking about the highest level of international relations and statecraft. Do you really think the most powerful people and organisations in the world, and the interplay between them is that simplistic? That there's nothing more to it than meets the eye?

The explanation for him switching people out so quickly due to surveillance by the deep state is plausible. It makes great sense.

But why is he hiring anyone that goes against his agenda? Especially when he won with such razor thin margins and the room for error is nil.

I'm not arguing I am just wondering if anyone can give their explanation for this.

He likes to get different perspectives / and for his image also.

About Trump being a simpleton, he was very dialed into a whole lot of concepts that most of the rest of the politicians had no clue about in 2016, and he continues to show great instincts and very high IQ.

About the firings, maybe it's a stylistic way of doing things. I think it's working. He's getting results.

I am very happy he fired Bolton also, and it's possible he had him in there just to get a different perspective, but also for the theatrics to fire a Neocon type. But I think most likely he wants a different perspective but he had seen and heard enough of this guy so he fired him. That's what I think happened in this instance.

Cheers!

I agree with Freebird, and would also say that I think he has to play factions of the deep state off against each other. He brings in various representatives of these factions for a while and gives them some slack on the line before reeling them in. You can see him playing this game again and again.

Playing off rivals against each other and keeping your enemies close are both time honored strategies in politics and leadership. He brought Bolton in to have a close eye on the war mongers, and to let them spend their efforts though him to advocate for war. Then when he's ready, he drops them and gets someone else.

If he put truly pure ideologues in these positions, they will have no power base to operate from within the various existing agencies, and they won't be able to get anyone to follow their lead. That's the problem Trump has in his own case. He has to make use of people who currently have some credibility within the various agencies, and then find a way to move people around and gradually push these agencies in the direction he wants.

Another way of looking at the choice of Bolton was to create a tough stance in his negotiations with Iran, NK, and others. He doesn't want war with them, but if he goes into negotiations with them acting like he'd never react to their provocations, he would look weak. Instead he goes in saying that he won't put up with their shit, and is ready to kick their asses if they don't knock it off, so he needs to have war mongers in key positions to create a credible threat.

Excellent analysis, and probably true.

But mind you, it won't work forever, this strategy, unfortunately.

I mean, with no war started against Maduro, and no physical retaliation against the Iranian militia seizing a Western supertanker, it is now quite obvious that President Trump really doesn't want to use massive and deadly force.

So the question now is, how to restore a "credible threat" scenario? Because as it is, the Venezuelan, Iranian or NK leaders sleep quite very well. It might be good for world stability after all - or not, time will tell.

And that's why, if I had to bet, I'd bet that President Trump will use (contained, not excessive) military force at some point, if only to keep foreign adversaries frightened and on their toes.

Trump is all about Economic Warfare. Most world leaders don't really care how many of their people you kill, but you hit them in the wallet hard enough and that will get their attention far more effectively I think. He is playing his rivals off each other economically, which is more than a credible threat at this point. Oh China doesn't want to do business, I guess we will go talk to India or Vietnam then about making cheap plastic shit. Oh Mexico doesn't want to help with border crossing immigrants, I guess we don't need any avocados then, and raise tariffs on all their goods. I think Trump would just rather play economic Chess with these countries than sacrifice one more American soldier, as to him economic security = national security. Money makes the world go round.
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Quote:The explanation for him switching people out so quickly due to surveillance by the deep state is plausible.

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