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(12-13-2019 01:31 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  Unfortunately there is no career path in agriculture and the cost of living these days means that unless you're willing to piss about hitching multi-ton trailers to mult-ton tractors until your back gives out and you spend the rest of your days drunk or sucking down opiates then it's simply not a smart choice in life. At best you find yourself having to move back into non-physical work while competing with 18 year olds for the same jobs.

Ha, tractors! When I was your age, we didn't even have a tractor. We pulled the plow ourselves. Through the snow! Both ways!

It took me a whole year of saving to buy my first house.
12-19-2019 09:44 AM
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(12-19-2019 09:29 AM)MajorStyles Wrote:  Trump has made countless concessions to them.

The Jews Trump has made concessions to are not the same Jews that are trying to get rid of him.
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No, I don't think the bossjews hate Trump because he's a renegade. He's not. Like you said, he's giving them everything they want.

No, what irks them beyond sanity is that the American goyim think they got one over on their betters. They thumbed their nose at the MSM and the deep state and the Washington insiders, and though the vast majority didn't realise it at the time they were of course by default thumbing their nose at (((them))).

So it doesn't matter if the goyim are really losing. (((They))) have become so arrogant and narcissistic that they cannot even stand the thought of the goyim mistakenly believing they're winning. Are you tired of the illusion of winning yet? Because I can assure you that (((they))) are VERY tired of the goyim having the mere illusion of winning. This is why they're whipping their own golden goose like crazed lunatics. Merely because the goyim think the goose belongs to them.

As I've noted previously, this particular passage in Orwell's 1984 stands starkly above the rest when it comes to understanding why the elites cannot leave well-enough alone.

Quote:He paused, and for a moment assumed again his air of a schoolmaster questioning a promising pupil: "How does one man assert his power over another, Winston?"
Winston thought. "By making him suffer," he said.
"Exactly. By making him suffer. Obedience is not enough. Unless he is suffering, how can you be sure that he is obeying your will and not his own? Power is in inflicting pain and humiliation. Power is in tearing human minds to pieces and putting them together again in new shapes of your own choosing. Do you begin to see, then, what kind of world we are creating? It is the exact opposite of the stupid hedonistic Utopias that the old reformers imagined. A world of fear and treachery and torment, a world of trampling and being trampled upon, a world which will grow not less but more merciless as it refines itself. Progress in our world will be progress toward more pain.

Unless you are suffering then they cannot know the extent of their control, and they cannot stand to be unsure of their total dominance over every fiber of your being. They are the bitch that simply will not quit shit-testing you until she breaks you or you break her.

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(12-19-2019 02:28 AM)Spectrumwalker Wrote:  
(12-18-2019 11:45 PM)dicknixon72 Wrote:  Also, remember that for the large part of the 20th Century, 1 in 9 Americans worked in an industry that was filled by largely unskilled, repetitive-motion work in fraught, dangerous condition exposed to far more workplace danger (falling objects, chemical vapors, crush and fall, electrocution, etc) than anything the most back-breaking construction day laborer or agricultural worker is ever exposed to - automobile manufacturing.

I don't agree with this in the slightest. You ever worked on a farm man? Farming, forestry and fishing are some of the deadliest jobs in the states. When you work on a farm or ranch you wake up every day and ask yourself how can get killed or maimed that day. There's 101 ways if not more. If it's one of the most dangerous jobs now, it sure as hell was back in the day to if not more. People could afford the product they were building partly because the currency still had value. But that's another story.

....

I agree, like forestry its a dangerous job of rush work. You spend time prepping for certain seasons and then when the seasons are on its working sun up to sun down while the weather is right, then in shops and garages doing repairs when its dark or raining. Its never boring, that's for sure.

The danger comes from working with machinery in less than ideal conditions. When something breaks you can't just call up the mechanical department to walk you over a part, you have to kind of limp things through, and that's when bad thing happen.

Something does have to change though. There are seasonal forestry jobs in Canada that Canadian Citizens do, but just on the other side of the border for some reason the "only" people that work them are illegal immigrants and H2As. The pay is lower in the US than Canada, but the work is the same, the demographics are the same, the environment is the same and the conditions are actually worse in Canada.

Its because in seasonal forestry in Canada you can't use H2A laborers by law. However, you sure can use them in seasonal farming. Guess what the seasonal labor makeup for farming in Canada is? H2A foreigners. Guess what line Canadian farmers will give you..."The ONLY people willing to work this job are foreigners". Its a joke, if farms couldn't use H2A's or illegals they would find a way to get it done, just like they do in forestry.

If America actually started enforcing labor laws like employment verification and hiring of illegals that would be a good start.

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I didn't know anything about Doug Collins and Jim Jordan before this whole process but they seem like really cool men that could become presidents one day. Very impressed by those two.
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I've been out of the loop on politics for a while. What's going on? Is any of this impeachment nonsense legitimate or cause for worry? I have a feeling it isn't, but wanted to confirm.
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(12-19-2019 10:40 AM)Nascimento Wrote:  I've been out of the loop on politics for a while. What's going on? Is any of this impeachment nonsense legitimate or cause for worry? I have a feeling it isn't, but wanted to confirm.

I think it is a mistake by the Democratic party of historic dimensions. First of all, they did it knowing it couldn't possibly pass in the Senate. That's a mistake right there. Secondly, they didn't even cite any crimes in their articles. Simply abuse of power, and obstruction, with no specific examples. This clearly will look illegitimate to voters in the next election cycle, and to historians as well. Third, many members who voted for it are from Trump districts, so they are likely to lose their seats over this vote.

I expect this will boost Trump's electoral margin of victory, and cause the Democrats to lose the House, and lose additional seats in the Senate. The Democratic party will be in complete shambles, and Trump will finally have solid legislative support for his agenda after 2020.

Now the Democrats had a losing hand no matter how they played it, but they could have come up with a far better outcome than this impeachment gambit is going to bring them. They really screwed the pooch with this one. It's a complete clown show.

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(12-19-2019 02:28 AM)Spectrumwalker Wrote:  I want tight borders as much as the next guy. But like I mentioned about the H2A workers. Next time you pass a farm and see Mexicans out there, or drink a glass of milk that was milked out by young Jose from Oaxaca, those were jobs that by law had to be offered to domestic workers. Americans. But alas where are they? Ill tell you where they are. They're working behind a counter at 24Hour fitness staring at their phones for about the same pay or OD'd in an alley somewhere.

If the pay is the same, why would anyone bust their ass instead of sitting in ac all day?

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This is exactly what I did in the early 200s when I quit my seasonal summer job of five years at a lumber mill where I made $7/hour to work in an air conditioned call centre for $10 dealing with idiots whose cell phones were smarter than them.

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Moral of the story: farm/forestry salaries should be bigger in order to attract the workers. This will naturally lead to the food/lumber being more expensive, but that's not the end of the world.

Or we can have cheap food/lumber but be flooded with illegals and genocided a few generations down the line.

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(12-19-2019 02:28 AM)Spectrumwalker Wrote:  I want tight borders as much as the next guy. But like I mentioned about the H2A workers. Next time you pass a farm and see Mexicans out there, or drink a glass of milk that was milked out by young Jose from Oaxaca, those were jobs that by law had to be offered to domestic workers. Americans. But alas where are they? Ill tell you where they are. They're working behind a counter at 24Hour fitness staring at their phones for about the same pay or OD'd in an alley somewhere.
Yeah, lazy ass generation. The kids don't even want to work for $5 an hour anymore. I'll tell ya though, Paco has it right. Real work ethic there. I give him 16 hours a day for $3.75/hr and he doesn't even complain in English. Just mumbles on about "Aztlan" and "reconquista", whatever that means. He brought over all of his cousins and extended family last week too. Hope it doesn't change the town too much.
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(12-19-2019 02:17 PM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  Moral of the story: farm/forestry salaries should be bigger in order to attract the workers. This will naturally lead to the food/lumber being more expensive, but that's not the end of the world.

Or we can have cheap food/lumber but be flooded with illegals and genocided a few generations down the line.

There are ways to subsidize small farm and forestry jobs without impacting too much food prices, like giving small farmers personal income tax deductions/exemptions on their first $30-$50k, or subsidizing local farm labor, say with a $3-$5 boost on hourly wages. The state ends up saving in the end as all the money is usually put back in the economy and fewer welfare costs on immigrants will be incurred, as well as passing on savings on food price to consumers.

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That fking book, its been years since ive read that masterpiece Leonard, but damn if quotes like that dont make a person realize how bad it could get and if the current soft totalitarianism turns hard like in 1984, id rather die in a hail of gunfire then take a trip down that path of hell. The thing is, in our timeline a dissidents death will be less hail by gunfire and more arduous torture over months of spiked dildo penatration by a tranny version of O'Brien, or hell, maybe they'll leave all the nitty gritty torture stuff to robots in 50 years.
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(12-19-2019 12:28 PM)glugger Wrote:  If the pay is the same, why would anyone bust their ass instead of sitting in ac all day?

Depends what type of man one wants to be. Either you want to look back and see the value in your work and what you did for the world, or take the easy road and have your mind and body deterioate wondering what the purpose of your existence is sitting in that ac.

Oh and like I wrote. That farm hand don't need to pay rent and utilities as he walks back to his place at the end f the day in clean air, no noise pollution and with a freezer full of free beef waitin for him while the guy with his eyes glossing over at a desk job has to sit in traffic going back to his overpriced catbox where he has to pay an arm and a leg for everything. So whose really coming out on top? I suppose that's personal preference. But there's another reason.

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Say what you want about Trump, but it's amazing how well he maintains his frame: always confident, always positive. Most people would be losing their cool in the face of such nonsense, but his personality remains the same.




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(12-19-2019 03:44 PM)Spectrumwalker Wrote:  
(12-19-2019 12:28 PM)glugger Wrote:  If the pay is the same, why would anyone bust their ass instead of sitting in ac all day?

Depends what type of man one wants to be. Either you want to look back and see the value in your work and what you did for the world, or take the easy road and have your mind and body deterioate wondering what the purpose of your existence is sitting in that ac.

This isn't a philosophical debate, it is an economic debate.

If I could make just 1/2 of what I make now working outside in the elements at a lower stress job, I would do it in a heartbeat. It is how we evolved and if you can provide for a family doing what we have done for centuries, you will live a far better life. Much of my ancestors were farmers, I could only dream to own some land and provide for a family working for myself. But that isn't reality in this day and age with land prices as high as they are.

But the powers that be know the cause of every revolution is lack of food. They can treat us like dirt, but as long as we have food, we don't revolt. The slow walk towards communism continues on the backs of scab labor from south of the border. Joe Six Pack isn't going to pick up his AR-15 and join a militia if he has enough to eat and a roof over his head. And with food prices as low as they are, to the point you can get free food from the govt., then the revolution isn't going to happen. Food prices will only remain this low as long as we can pay illegals a tiny fraction of a "living wage".

That is the entire purpose of the open border. To keep us fed and dumb for a fraction of what it should cost. The are no opportunities for American men that want to provide for a family working in these jobs. The wages are artificially too low to keep food prices low to keep us sedated.
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(12-19-2019 02:58 PM)kazimierzdabrowski Wrote:  
(12-19-2019 02:28 AM)Spectrumwalker Wrote:  I want tight borders as much as the next guy. But like I mentioned about the H2A workers. Next time you pass a farm and see Mexicans out there, or drink a glass of milk that was milked out by young Jose from Oaxaca, those were jobs that by law had to be offered to domestic workers. Americans. But alas where are they? Ill tell you where they are. They're working behind a counter at 24Hour fitness staring at their phones for about the same pay or OD'd in an alley somewhere.
Yeah, lazy ass generation. The kids don't even want to work for $5 an hour anymore. I'll tell ya though, Paco has it right. Real work ethic there. I give him 16 hours a day for $3.75/hr and he doesn't even complain in English. Just mumbles on about "Aztlan" and "reconquista", whatever that means. He brought over all of his cousins and extended family last week too. Hope it doesn't change the town too much.

Again, the thing is we don't see any solutions from the right like another poster mentioned below. We just get saber rattling over immigration that ultimately accomplishes nothing. The goal shouldn't be to trigger libs, it should be to build a better country.

If the right rolled out a plan to make farming, agriculture, and blue collar work available and lucrative for the masses, politics would look very different. Instead we get bones thrown to white right wingers which keep them temporarily pacified, before we get back to our regular programming of nothing fundamentally changing. Even the things the right actually does do (ICE raids, prison camps, etc) just attack the symptom rather than the problem itself.

America needs to have a value-based mentality. Instead we get a giant dog and pony show that fundamentally doesn't help anyone.
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(12-19-2019 04:29 PM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  The are no opportunities for American men that want to provide for a family working in these jobs. The wages are artificially too low to keep food prices low to keep us sedated.

Not true. This is still the land of opportunity. All I hear is the wahmbulance. Granted life in ag is easier on the wallet as a single man, I'll admit, but theres plenty of guys out there that make it work and raise families as hired men. I hope to one day. Hell I know an older guy whose been a hired man since he was like 15. White guy. Him and his wife have 7 kids. All homeschooled. And they make it work. People seem to be missing the part about other perks I wrote about that offset the lower income. So there is economic incentive if you wanna talk economics. Just like anything else it's a matter of how much you want to make it work and what effort you're willing to put into it. And again wages are low because they have to be considering high expenses and low yield prices. There aint some conspiracy.

Hardest part about family life on farms is finding...and keeping women who can handle the isolation, mud, shit, snow, dirt and wind. Wind drives women crazy.

But whatever I'm out. Take it or leave it I've said what i needed to say. This got started about h2a visas being a scam to find cheap labor bypassing Americans or something which aint true. Mexicans aint out here making 3.25 an hour. It's absurd. Nothing holding a gun to Americans heads stopping them from self controlling immigration by sacking up and taking their jobs back like they bitch about. ✌

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Yeah that's the thing. I've seen guys on the right talk about "taking action". To them, this takes the form of some kind of violent revolt. Which will 99% never happen and if it does just be another net negative to society.

Action needs to be taken, but it needs to be the right action. It needs to be actually intelligent policy and a problem-solving mentality. The goal needs to be to fix the issue. The goal of the right now unfortunately is just to trigger and "own" the other side, when in reality the right is just "owning" itself.
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(12-19-2019 10:40 AM)Nascimento Wrote:  I've been out of the loop on politics for a while. What's going on? Is any of this impeachment nonsense legitimate or cause for worry? I have a feeling it isn't, but wanted to confirm.

Follow-up question, how does this compare to the Clinton impeachment proceedings? If I'm not mistaken that happened when he was already in his second term, so he just weathered the storm and finished his 8 years in office.

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Italian media reporting an 80% chance that Mifsud is dead. If true, between this and Epstein, the Cabal may be tying up loose ends before the indictments start being unsealed.

Or perhaps he was punished for singing to Durham.

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It’s Official: Rep. Van Drew Flips Republican and Pledges ‘Undying Support’ for Donald Trump

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Quote:Democrat Rep. Jeff Van Drew of New Jersey officially announced his decision to switch political parties and pledged his support for President Donald Trump on Thursday.

“I believe that this is just a better fit for me,” Van Drew told reporters on Thursday at the White House. “This is who I am. It’s who I always was, but there was more tolerance of moderate Democrats, of Blue Dog Democrats, of Conservative Democrats, and I think that’s going away.”

Van Drew met with Trump in the Oval Office together with House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) and Vice President Mike Pence to discuss his decision.

Trump called his decision a “big deal” noting that it had been about ten years since a member of Congress switched parties to become a Republican.

“It’s a very big deal,” McCarthy agreed. “Because he’s going from the majority to the minority. It normally doesn’t go that way.”


“Yeah, but he’s very smart because he knows it’s not going to be the minority for long,” Trump replied. “I have a feeling we’re going to do very well in 2020.”

Van Drew noted that one of his political heroes continued to be former President Ronald Reagan.

“He said, ‘I didn’t leave my party, my party left me,” Van Drew said. “I’m saying the same thing.”

The former Democrat pledged his support for Trump in the next election.

“You have my undying support, and always,” Van Drew said.

“By the way, same way,” Trump replied shaking Van Drew’s hand and adding, “I’m endorsing him.”


Vice President Mike Pence praised Van Drew for being a strong voice in the impeachment debate.

“I just want to tell you how grateful we are for your voice of reason and common sense in the days leading up to your decision,” Pence said. “You showed personal and political courage and I know the people of your district will be as grateful as we are today.”

Van Drew voted against the two articles of impeachment against Trump during the House of Representatives vote on Wednesday along with Rep. Collin Peterson (D-MN). Rep. Jared Golden (D-ME) also joined Peterson and Van Drew to vote against the second article of impeachment.

McCarthy also thanked Van Drew and welcomed him to the Republican Party.

“If there’s anyone else that feels like you, if there are other people out there that feel that this new socialist Democrat wing of the party has left them behind, join with us,” he said.

Van Drew explained that he was told by a state Democrat official in a meeting that he could not vote against impeachment or that he would be destroyed politically, which prompted his decision.

“That kind of hurt and it kind of made me think a little bit,” he said.


He also said that he was attacked by progressive Democrats in New Jersey for supporting the idea of flying the American flag without restrictions and supporting the phrase “In God We Trust.”

“That’s a very Republican thing, by the way,” Trump replied.

Van Drew said that he was a capitalist and a believer in American exceptionalism, something that Democrats were increasingly critical of. He also criticized the proposed “new green deal” by radical elements in the party.

“I believe with what you’re doing with the economy, it’s a better stronger economy,” he said to Trump.

So the only politically relevant result of the impeachment proceedings is that the Republican faction in the House grew and got an additional representative now.

Democrats about to declare victory!

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(12-19-2019 04:12 PM)MajorStyles Wrote:  Say what you want about Trump, but it's amazing how well he maintains his frame: always confident, always positive. Most people would be losing their cool in the face of such nonsense, but his personality remains the same.




I don't care what a lot of you guys say. I think that he's doing an incredible job considering the barrage from all sides he has during his first term.
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(12-19-2019 07:59 PM)MichaelWitcoff Wrote:  Italian media reporting an 80% chance that Mifsud is dead. If true, between this and Epstein, the Cabal may be tying up loose ends before the indictments start being unsealed.

Or perhaps he was punished for singing to Durham.

Hopefully he sang and they got a tape of it before he was whacked. Also, it would be awesome if they did some actually police work and caught the killer.

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