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Quote:Donald Trump is running for president, on the promise that he will 'bring back' the American dream.

The multi-billionaire businessmen announced his shot at the White House Tuesday morning, surrounded with gold, mirrors and polished marble in a midtown Manhattan skyscraper named after himself.

Trump was introduced by a gushing speech from his daughter Ivanka, then strode on stage to the backing of Neil Young's Rockin' In The Free World, and gathered his large and colorful family around him for a group photo after his speech.

As part of his big reveal - teased at for years - Trump, 69, gave a statement of his own wealth, pegging his net worth at $8.73billion.

He declared to a crowd of Trump devotees and 'VIP' businessmen in suits that he was 'proud' of his enormous assets, noting more than once how 'I'm really rich'.

Indeed, Trump went so far as making his own personal wealth a major strut of his pitch for the presidency - saying that he has so much cash he can afford to ignore lobbyists and vested interests.

He admitted it was 'crass' to parade his own wealth, but nonetheless concluded: 'I don't need anybody's money. It's nice,' he said.

Trump's politics:

Quote:TRUMP AT THE STUMP: POLICIES FROM THE ANNOUNCEMENT SPEECH

'Repeal and replace' Obamacare
No cuts to Social Security
Build a wall along the Mexican border
End Common Core in education
Increase taxes on foreign goods
'Protect the Second Amendment'

Quote:He also claimed that his personal abilities in the board room and at the negotiating table would put him in a position to save billions from the federal budget, buoy up industry and divert wealth worldwide into American pockets.

Among his big promises were pledges to create millions of jobs, make America rich and defeat its enemies overseas, among which he included economic rivals like China, Japan and Mexico as well as armed combatants like ISIS.

'We need somebody that literally will take this country and make it great again. We can do that,' said Trump in his speech.

I will be the greatest jobs president God ever created.
'Ladies and gentlemen, I am officially running for president of the United States, and we are going to make our country great again.'

Trump staffers sent out his speech in advance to reporters, but the candidate himself seemingly went off-script for most of the delivery, clocking in at 55 minutes after numerous digressions, anecdotes, jokes and jibes.

Joking 'I beat China all the time', Trump used his own record on business to illustrate how he'd deal with foreign governments.

Describing China as a bigger threat than ISIS and pointing out that Mexico is 'not our friend', Trump suggested that he'd levy huge taxes on foreign goods to prop up domestic production, as well as constructing a solid wall along the southern border.

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What do you guys think? Is this another clown added to the GOP's roster for this primary season or does he stand a chance at stopping the Hiliary?

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06-16-2015 01:44 PM
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Where's Herman Cain at?

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RE: The Trump Card: Donald Wants To Fire Obama
This dude's a clown.

It's amazing to me how we don't even have politicians that fake class anymore.

Say what you want about Reagan, but he was undeniably classy.

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RE: The Trump Card: Donald Wants To Fire Obama
The republicans are continually splintering their vote, this is a fucking joke.

It's turning into a circus, there needs to reformation in the party.

Fuck him and the 2 party joke of a system.

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RE: The Trump Card: Donald Wants To Fire Obama
Trump is a proven winner. He's created jobs and doesn't mind telling it like it is. I'd happily vote for him. Now here come the chorus of 'fuck its' in the thread already.
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RE: The Trump Card: Donald Wants To Fire Obama
He's right, it would be alot harder to buy favors from a guy as wealthy as him.

Unlike career politicians like Obama or Rubio, he doesn't need to get along with everyone so he can get bullshit lecture fees (chelsey clinton) just for being associated with him. He's not desperate like a talentless 'community organizer' who has no other options than government.

Americans are presently being taught in schools:

1. money is evil
2. people who spend time obtaining more money are evil
3. corporations are evil
4. all business owners are evil
5. government taking your paycheck is a good thing
6. whatever your teacher and liberal media tells you is in your best interest.

I'd rather have a ruthless businessman in charge who understands the brutal reality of the global economy, and the tough choices that need to be made to cut the deficiet and make America more competitive. Yea he inherited tens of millions from his dad, but turning that into billions is pretty impressive IMO.

All I hear from any left politician is wanting government coercion to make things 'fair' and 'equal' to the proverbial 'little guy'.
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RE: The Trump Card: Donald Wants To Fire Obama
He and Rand are the only two of any interest to me. I am not sure if he is serious, I hope he is, because it will take someone as non-PC and tell it like it is as him to get this thing headed back in the right direction.
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(06-16-2015 02:13 PM)Disco_Volante Wrote:  I'd rather have a ruthless businessman in charge who understands the brutal reality of the global economy, and the tough choices that need to be made to cut the deficiet and make America more competitive.

Hasn't that been pretty much every American president since WWII? And look where it's gotten us.
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RE: The Trump Card: Donald Wants To Fire Obama
Despite his clownishness and deliberately over-the-top persona, he's more qualified to run just about anything than Hillary Clinton is.

That does not mean I think he would win, even if he could somehow get the nomination. As an outsider to the US election process, I find it very remarkable how invincible Democrats seem to be, even when they are objectively awful. It's like they are made of Teflon. If Obama couldn't lose in 2012, I simply cannot see how Hillary could lose in 2016, given that the country has moved even further to the statist-left than before.

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(06-16-2015 02:21 PM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  
(06-16-2015 02:13 PM)Disco_Volante Wrote:  I'd rather have a ruthless businessman in charge who understands the brutal reality of the global economy, and the tough choices that need to be made to cut the deficiet and make America more competitive.

Hasn't that been pretty much every American president since WWII? And look where it's gotten us.

Yea the strongest economy in the world.
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(06-16-2015 02:21 PM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  
(06-16-2015 02:13 PM)Disco_Volante Wrote:  I'd rather have a ruthless businessman in charge who understands the brutal reality of the global economy, and the tough choices that need to be made to cut the deficiet and make America more competitive.

Hasn't that been pretty much every American president since WWII? And look where it's gotten us.

No, that is the opposite of every president from LBJ through today.
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Republican Party.

I will say this. There are a few solid, won't embarrass the country Republicans out there. But I am afraid they will not get the chance.

Based on that Fox criteria for the debates, Donald gets in but actual former governors do not.

At least Michelle Bauchman isn't in there to make a mess of it all.

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He might draw a few votes from the left, they idolize reality TV "stars".
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It would be interesting if he took not a single contribution from anyone. I would respect that.

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I hate to remind people here but Obama's biggest backer is Goldman Sachs.

enough of this fake Left v Right crap.
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I don't know what's more sad, that Trump is actually considered a serious candidate, or that he still blows away the prospective republican nominee: Jeb "amnesty is love" Bush?
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(06-16-2015 03:07 PM)N°6 Wrote:  I hate to remind people here but Obama's biggest backer is Goldman Sachs.

enough of this fake Left v Right crap.

Goldman is also the biggest backer of most Republican candidates.

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Fuck him, how can you take a guy who still spouts the "Obama was born in Kenya" line?

(06-16-2015 03:03 PM)samsamsam Wrote:  It would be interesting if he took not a single contribution from anyone. I would respect that.

Did Michael Bloomberg ever take anybody's money?
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(06-16-2015 02:21 PM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  
(06-16-2015 02:13 PM)Disco_Volante Wrote:  I'd rather have a ruthless businessman in charge who understands the brutal reality of the global economy, and the tough choices that need to be made to cut the deficiet and make America more competitive.

Hasn't that been pretty much every American president since WWII? And look where it's gotten us.

The only one who fits the bill of 'ruthless businessman' in the time frame mentioned is GW Bush. And he failed spectacularly in terms of making tough choices, cutting the deficit and making America more competitive. Disco_Volante's description of what sort of president we need right now is one we haven't seen since Warren Harding, and most historians wrongly think he was a failure. The most common presidential occupation is lawyer.

Even if Trump had the greatest views ever and was guaranteed to catapult the country to the promise land, he wouldn't win just because he rubs people the wrong way and/or is considered to be a joke. He'll never be able to avoid the torrent of 'gotcha' traps that any non-left candidate will have to face, and given that all it takes is one to sink such a candidate, you can pretty much write him off right now.
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(06-16-2015 03:35 PM)Dismal Operator Wrote:  
(06-16-2015 02:21 PM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  
(06-16-2015 02:13 PM)Disco_Volante Wrote:  I'd rather have a ruthless businessman in charge who understands the brutal reality of the global economy, and the tough choices that need to be made to cut the deficiet and make America more competitive.

Hasn't that been pretty much every American president since WWII? And look where it's gotten us.

The only one who fits the bill of 'ruthless businessman' in the time frame mentioned is GW Bush. And he failed spectacularly in terms of making tough choices, cutting the deficit and making America more competitive. Disco_Volante's description of what sort of president we need right now is one we haven't seen since Warren Harding, and most historians wrongly think he was a failure. The most common presidential occupation is lawyer.

Even if Trump had the greatest views ever and was guaranteed to catapult the country to the promise land, he wouldn't win just because he rubs people the wrong way and/or is considered to be a joke. He'll never be able to avoid the torrent of 'gotcha' traps that any non-left candidate will have to face, and given that all it takes is one to sink such a candidate, you can pretty much write him off right now.

Don't forget endless video clips from his shows also.

He isn't all that he's made out to be, he inherited alot of his fortune, got bailed out by the banks, took 2nd and 3rd mortgages on his properties, thrown in boost from the SEC when he went public.

He also tried abusing eminent domain. Don't forget his fuck China speech while he get's his own clothing line made there.

Actions always speak louder than words, he isn't going to be president, unfortunately I don't think a republican will be president.

The toxic culture in America indicates Hillary is going to win - the Republicans constantly have internal fighting -to the point it could be a comedy show.

Only a handful of solid candidates, the rest are mediocre at best.

If the repubs got their shit together, modernized their platform and swallowed their pride, they just might having a shot of defeating the Dems.

Then again....it's the corpos who buy the votes and politicians, it's the crops who meet with lobbyists and legislators to make all the laws.

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(06-16-2015 03:07 PM)N°6 Wrote:  enough of this fake Left v Right crap.

We do not have a "two party system". We have one group of elites who pretend to be on "different sides of the aisle." But they are all really just in it for the money and the power.

It's Hulk Hogan versus Rick Flair -- doesn't matter who wins cause its not a real fight anyway, and they both get paid at the end of the night... and there'll be a rematch in the next election to make sure they both get paid again.

It's a sham, just bread and circuses to fool the masses.
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I find it fascinating that every single time there's a thread about any facet of American politics it gets flooded by people saying 'there's no difference between the two!' or some stuff about shadowy elites.

In contrast, the UK politics thread a while back was actually informative and an interesting read.

If you think American politics is a sham then why bother posting in threads like this?

Let's say you think it's as fake as professional wrestling. Okay, do you go into wrestling threads and post about how fake it is?

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To wake people up ? To maybe point out maybe both sides aren't in our best interest ?

Why not have different opinions on the topic so it brings out good debate and POV's ?

This thread is in its infancy, I stated why I don't think Trump is a good candidate and doesn't have a chance.

This can still go somewhere intelligently - I still stand by corporations owning the vote.

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