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(06-30-2013 09:16 PM)youngmobileglobal Wrote:  -

This is a good thread. I am interested in spending time in San Francisco to network with Silicon Valley types - mostly investors and potential technical partners.

Hipster chicks aside, it seems like a great place to be.

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It's easily the most scenic city in the USA. Which is good since there's little female worth looking at lol.
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(06-30-2013 07:52 PM)Viagra_Falls Wrote:  the OP left out the Central Valley (the Stockton and Modesto areas are 1 hour from the east bay going out the 580). Girls there are easier and generally untainted by liberalism and status pretension, and no less ugly. Hit up the dating sites and you are good to go. Lots of cougs and latinas Smile

bad thing about those areas is that they're crazy shithole areas that are in the same league as detriot.

anyway, California is a horrible place to game. don't come here if you come to game unless you're:

1. super rich

2. celebrity

3. already have lots of social contacts with lots of access to females.

why else do you think that the mexican immigrants here go to mexico once a year or so to game back home? simple answer that you should know already.
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RE: San Francisco, Bay Area Data Sheet
This is a solid thread. I currently live in the South Bay, where I daygame frequently. From what I've heard the nightlife here is absolutely horrendous(the city of Santa Clara, for example, has no nightclubs whatsoever), so daygame is the way to go. Since the Bay, and the South Bay especially, is filled with colleges, it's wise to hit it up during the school year. The best schools to daygame at are De Anza, West Valley(nicknamed "breast valley" for a reason), Santa Clara U, and SJSU. Also, try the Santa Cruz Boardwalk and Embarcadero in SF.
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RE: San Francisco, Bay Area Data Sheet
As I've said before, SF suffers from being the last (and latest) time zone of the continental US --tourists from the east wake up early and go to bed early, with some bars even closing at 10pm. And cool scenes can only remain cool as long as the rude rubes of the bridge and tunnel herd can't find them and poison the scene with their douche bag behavior. So it's a land of micro-scenes that quickly appear and then disappear, keeping under the radar.

The free weekly event mags http://www.sfbg.com/ and http://www.eastbayexpress.com/ used to be about finding where cool things were. Now they're all boring political shit and have forgotten how to have fun. Ignore them.

Today, http://sf.funcheap.com/ and http://www.goldstar.com/san-francisco are what you should look at. In my conversations over and over again, this is where women are looking in 2013 to decide where they'll be each night for the next week. It takes exercising a little bit of intelligence in choice, but both are worth paying attention to, and can guide you to scenes you'd otherwise never know about.

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(06-30-2013 09:16 PM)youngmobileglobal Wrote:  -

This is a good thread. I am interested in spending time in San Francisco to network with Silicon Valley types - mostly investors and potential technical partners.

Hipster chicks aside, it seems like a great place to be.

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YMG - The reason why I plan to hit the vallye as well.

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RE: San Francisco, Bay Area Data Sheet
Bump.

My long time mentor, a silicon valley tech veteran, has invited me to join him in San Francisco to launch a startup in the mobile/enterprise space.

We haven't really even nailed down specifically what we want to do yet but my philosophy is that in startup situations you join because you want to work with someone, not because the idea is brilliant. Both of us have been talking about doing a SFBA startup for 3 years but our schedules never matched up. The timing finally seems to be right as both of us are leaving ventures/positions that we are involved with and selling off some of our assets.

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I got some questions for you bay area dudes:

1. Finding a good place to live in SF seems like a full time job. If you were a startup guy with 2K to spend on monthly rent, where would you live? Is it even possible to get a 1BR or studio on that in a non-crackhead area? Or would I be forced to live with a roommate?

2. My priority is going to be career over partying/game/women. When I go out to socialize, my first priority will probably be meeting people who can advance our venture and network with people in the tech/startup scene. Any thoughts on how one would go about doing that?

3. In most Asian metropolises, once you cover rent, the rest of your budget is pretty reasonable - think HK, SG, Seoul, etc - is this also the case in SF? Or is everything insanely expensive, period?
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^ where is your office?
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(12-23-2013 11:09 AM)WestCoast Wrote:  ^ where is your office?

None yet, unless you count back office set up in Asia.

All things considered, probably SoMA though.
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I wouldn't bother with a studio or a 1br in your situation. I would get a roomate and live in north beach or nob hill. If you want to go real cheap you can go to protrero hill.

Reason why is you're doing this as a career move $2K is probably a studio, no go on a 1BR for that price (if you look real hard you can find a studio for $2K in decent areas mentioned above, but may as well go for cheaper if you're not gonna game extensively).

2. Don't know the scene well 25 lusk is a good spot to start. Start up guys are usually in restaurant type places hence why I would save the cash for flexibility in venue choice

3. Never lived in singapore so no help there. Drinks are about $10 vodka sodas, $6 beers, lots if nearby grocery stores, don't get destroyed by convenient stores usually 2x overpriced.
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(12-23-2013 10:58 AM)youngmobileglobal Wrote:  1. If you were a startup guy with 2K to spend on monthly rent, where would you live?

I would live AT the company headquarters FOR FREE. Save the 2k/month for other things.

Try to find a work space with a bathroom and shower.

If you don't have a shower, join a local health club.

Get a little futon and sleeping bag + small refrigerator and "cooktop" or microwave for your office.

This is not uncommon.

If this is not possible, find the cheapest, livable room you can within walking distance to your office.

Also, I agree with WestCoast's advice. Just offering a different perspective.

(12-23-2013 10:58 AM)youngmobileglobal Wrote:  2. my first priority will probably be meeting people who can advance our venture and network.....Any thoughts on how one would go about doing that?

Follow your own advice.

I think you have many posts about "creative networking" and infiltrating business scenes.

Many of the same strategies that work in Asia will also work here.

If your friend is a Silicon Valley veteran, he should be able to give you a good head start.

(12-23-2013 10:58 AM)youngmobileglobal Wrote:  3. is everything insanely expensive, period?

Just like in Asia..

In rich neighborhoods, things will be expensive.

In poor neighborhoods, things will be cheaper.

Generally speaking, this is an expensive city but we have lots of poor people so there is always a way to get things cheaper.

With all of these questions, I think its important to be creative and think "outside the box".

Don't follow the crowd. "The crowd" gets slaughtered.

This is not a city to be average. It's Have or Have Not.
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About a year or so ago, I went to SF and crashed for a weekend at a "startup house" out in the Marina. It was ridiculous (50 grand a month rent). However, it was a great area with successful people who you could probably connect with. When they had parties and BBQs, everyone was in startups and the tech industry and the triangle was a great bar area and there was definitely the creme de la creme of talent as far as the city goes. I'd try to look around that area, although it will be pricy. Just get a tiny crash pad somewhere out there.
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(12-23-2013 10:58 AM)youngmobileglobal Wrote:  Bump.

My long time mentor, a silicon valley tech veteran, has invited me to join him in San Francisco to launch a startup in the mobile/enterprise space.

We haven't really even nailed down specifically what we want to do yet but my philosophy is that in startup situations you join because you want to work with someone, not because the idea is brilliant. Both of us have been talking about doing a SFBA startup for 3 years but our schedules never matched up. The timing finally seems to be right as both of us are leaving ventures/positions that we are involved with and selling off some of our assets.

---

I got some questions for you bay area dudes:

1. Finding a good place to live in SF seems like a full time job. If you were a startup guy with 2K to spend on monthly rent, where would you live? Is it even possible to get a 1BR or studio on that in a non-crackhead area? Or would I be forced to live with a roommate?

2. My priority is going to be career over partying/game/women. When I go out to socialize, my first priority will probably be meeting people who can advance our venture and network with people in the tech/startup scene. Any thoughts on how one would go about doing that?

3. In most Asian metropolises, once you cover rent, the rest of your budget is pretty reasonable - think HK, SG, Seoul, etc - is this also the case in SF? Or is everything insanely expensive, period?

I was in the Bay for a month or so. Should be back up.

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Bump.

Anyone ever hear of this bar, Wilson and Wilson?

Basically it's a speak-easy bar that you need to make reservations in advance. Once inside, you get a menu of special mixers, and you choose 3 for $30 or some shit like that. The seating is more intimate, so this is an ideal starting place for your night. Obviously since this a limited capacity room there's no point rolling solo here. As an added bonus the drinks are strong and they are mixed by a mixologist so you can't even taste the alcohol.

And off topic, but one of my goals is to own a condo in Millennium Tower. IDGAF how much it costs.
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I will be in SF for 10 days beginning on Labour Day weekend.

I have a good friend there who lives at 14th & Market and I will stay with him for the last weekend I am in town. He just moved from Sweden so he is still getting to know the area as well. Insights are welcome.

First weekend I am looking for a hotel around $250 a night.

Also things to do. I havent been to SF since 2006 and the data seems to be all over a few years old.

Whats a good two nighter from SF? I will be taking a girl. Tahoe? Napa? Please advise.
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Napa for some wine tasting. Santa Cruz/Monterey are also great spots to check out for the beaches and aquarium.
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(08-12-2014 01:12 AM)B00G3r Wrote:  Napa for some wine tasting. Santa Cruz/Monterey are also great spots to check out for the beaches and aquarium.

Any suggestions on where to stay in Napa? Looking online a lot of the places look like overpriced shitholes, and the ones that look OK are $700 a night.

I love bubbly wine but is Napa just some sort of hype machine?

Also *bumpin this godamn thread.
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Any recommendations for Chill Lounges in/near Peninsula / San Mateo.. that attract hotties ?

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(08-14-2014 09:28 PM)Laner Wrote:  
(08-12-2014 01:12 AM)B00G3r Wrote:  Napa for some wine tasting. Santa Cruz/Monterey are also great spots to check out for the beaches and aquarium.

Any suggestions on where to stay in Napa? Looking online a lot of the places look like overpriced shitholes, and the ones that look OK are $700 a night.

I love bubbly wine but is Napa just some sort of hype machine?

Also *bumpin this godamn thread.

I'm no Napa/Sonoma expert but check out Healdsburg in Sonoma. Nice town near Napa that you can walk around and explore various wine tasting rooms. I got a reasonable room downtown for like $150.

http://www.healdsburg.com

Calistoga in Napa was a nice little town with hot springs that were great. There were all sorts of mid-tier hotels there within the city, with the really expensive places generally outside. Think I stayed at the Mtn. View Inn & Spa which was sort of old school but reasonably nice with a big spa area and like $175/night. My girl at the time really enjoyed it.

http://visitcalistoga.com

Maybe use either of these cites as a base and then take the Wine Train to visit certain wineries (or rent a car, but don't get too smashed and drive around drunk). The wine train is $109 for a 3 hour tour so not cheap, but I've heard it's a nice way to see Napa.

http://winetrain.com

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(08-19-2014 01:53 AM)xmlenigma Wrote:  Any recommendations for Chill Lounges in/near Peninsula / San Mateo.. that attract hotties ?

I live nearby San Mateo. The Attic is a really great spot for drinks AND food. At this point, the only one I can recommend in that downtown area.
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SF is not the best city for the traditional "clubbing" type, at least not once you a know the city. The vibe in the area is geared towards young professionals though, and there are plenty of bars and lounges with good music, no cover, and decent drinks most night of the week. If you visit, remember that it is a small city comprised of several different neighborhoods and the boundaries aren't the clearest at first.

As far as day game, I agree with some of the intel but women who live in the city are known for being cold and often unapproachable. Lots of transplants from all over the States and the world. I can't speak for UC Berkeley, but USF (private/Jesuit) is not a great place to run game. Lots of women (~70% at one point, I think), but the majority are sheltered, wealthy, timid, or all three. On top of that, the university is a small community so if you're unfamiliar, you will stand out. Not inherently bad, but being a private campus, you can be escorted off the premises at any time, so be wary. Strange looking guys have been shown off the grounds by police for much less than gaming undergrads, and if you don't have a uni ID, you're done. The surrounding area (Haight, GG Park) usually has a good number of students and this might be a better option.
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RE: San Francisco, Bay Area Data Sheet
(08-14-2014 09:28 PM)Laner Wrote:  
(08-12-2014 01:12 AM)B00G3r Wrote:  Napa for some wine tasting. Santa Cruz/Monterey are also great spots to check out for the beaches and aquarium.

Any suggestions on where to stay in Napa? Looking online a lot of the places look like overpriced shitholes, and the ones that look OK are $700 a night.

I love bubbly wine but is Napa just some sort of hype machine?

Also *bumpin this godamn thread.

All of Napa is pretty much an overpriced trap at this point. It does still boast some of the best wines in the world, but for an enjoyable weekend you're far better served heading into Sonoma County instead.

Healdsburg is a great jump-off point. It's a bit expensive, but there are wineries around and just outside of town.

The second-best choice is pretty much anywhere in the county Santa Rosa or north. A little driving is involved, but a lot of great vineyards are clustered in certain areas (Dry Creek, Valley of the Moon, River Road, etc.) Finding wine in Sonoma is like finding pussy in a whorehouse: you will literally see good vineyards on the side of the freeway. If you head up that way, I can give you more specific suggestions.
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I found SF to be a challenging environment for game.
I lived here for a while, and I did not enjoy a lot of success. I regret not leaving sooner. However, if I came in with game and established better logistics, who knows, it might have been a different story.

First I'll mention the positives:

1) It's a high-density city of 20-40 year olds. So even with the horrible ratio, and the fact that most women are ugly, there still is a high concentration of bangable and even good looking women per square mile. There's just an insane amount of competition and most of these women have attitudes up in the stratosphere as a result.

2) As has been said, logistics are pretty good if you can afford a centrally located apartment (at least $2k per month). If you can get a place near Union Square, Marina, Pac Heights, North Beach, upper Nob Hill, or Mission if you are a hipster, you might be able to get something going.

3) You can stack some paper here, in software, finance, biotech, law, consulting, real estate, sales or general business. Though taxes, cost of living, competing with other wealthy men will eat up a lot of your income.

4) Steady influx of international tourists, immigrants, and new women. Though you have to get at them very quickly before they realize their new inflated SF market value.

5) Because it was so difficult here, I found game and the red pill. It's so unforgiving that anywhere else I go feels easy by comparison. Had I lived in a better city, I probably would have settled down with a 7 and gotten married by now (I'm now glad that didn't happen).

The negatives: Way too many thirsty dudes. Way too many thirsty dudes who are loaded with cash. Low quality women with bad attidues. Smug hipsterism, PC-culture, feminism all to the extreme. Ultra-expensive. Every time I read descriptions of DC or Toronto, I feel like I've been there.

Men who I've seen do well here: industry (promoters, bartenders, etc), ultra high-net worth. Not to wealth troll but a hot girl who had friend-zoned me always went on and on about how her and friends would party it up at rich guys' condo parties every weekend. Some of the guys didn't even live in the condos. They had them just to throw parties. A lot of talent ends up at the charity events which require large donations. Maybe you can work an angle by volunteering at these if you cannot afford the donations.

Another type that does well are hipsters/artists with real cred. Like actually being in a band or being a working artist or something. People with some sort of unique angle, like this guy I knew who owns an auto-shop and is alpha as fuck. The worst thing you can be is just another beta with an office cube job. Even if you are banking a quarter-mil, that is still nothing special in SF.

I've also seen British and Australian dudes absolutely kill it with their accents, provided they had game and actually approached.

Day Game:
If you don't have access to elite social circles, if you don't have the top clubs on lock, day game is practically your only way to get any access to 7s. You will very rarely get access to 8+ from cold approach of any kind, day or night.

I read Giovanny's stuff and I believe it. I only tried it out once at UCB, did not get anywhere but girls were surprisingly friendly. I did a lot of day game at Whole Foods SOMA but it's gotten played out there. Did a shit-ton of street game around but not in Union square and Westfield mall as well. Stockton ave is the best day game street in Union Square. Had lots of #s but only a few real closes from my day game in the end. Day gaming financial district during lunch time is also worth a shot. It feels like day game in SF has gotten harder. After I first read Day Bang it felt easy and I had some initial success but lately it seems like girls have been getting hit with it more and have adjusted their shields accordingly.

Night Game:
This report is about 6 months obsolete and I heard some new clubs have opened since, but here's what I know of:

If you like Asian girls, get the Grand on lock ASAP. You can do this with McQueens club-on-lock method. The first few times you go there, grease one bartender well, and grease one bouncer well ($20-40 each). Make sure it's the same guy each time. After 2-3 times you should be in. I did not do this personally, I'm not into clubbing much, and I got sick of dealing with the attitudes of girls there, but I know two guys who locked it down to varying degrees and they have pulled from there sometimes. No ins-and-outs. If you come here, you are stuck for the night, unless you have the bouncers on very tight lockdown.
Sloan Squared is another club where you can try to pick up Asian girls. If you're not Asian, I would recommend rolling into these places with an Asian wingman.

Marina: The Matrix is the only spot worth focusing on. It's small, so when you get stale or blow out all the sets (there won't be that many), hit Eastside West and then Kate Obriens to do some walk-through approaches, take a breather, and then go back to Matrix. Things rotate there and it can become a completely new scene every hour. Yeah it's mostly white ex-sorority girls but the Marina has actually gotten much more diverse in recent years, and it also gets a lot of tourists sometimes.

Union Square: Slide, Vessel, Infusion Ruby Skeyey, 620 Jones, Redwood Room, Le Colonial, other smaller bars like Rye at your discretion. None of them are great. What you can do is you go early and then just rotate until you find something, and run lots of street game in between. Go early to make guest list/get stamped for Slide, Vessel, and Infusion.
You can sometimes find (barely) bangable cougars at the Redwood Room.

Hit Polk Street to break a dry spell. Though even if you go out there with the intention of bottom feeding there will be heavy competition even at that tier. Playland is the best spot there. Mayes is Ok as well. If you wreck the room at Playland then just go walk through the small bars nearby and run some street game, come back in 30-40 minutes and it will be a new scene.

North Beach Rotation: I don't recommend North Beach, but if you feel like mixing it up: Bubble Lounge, Cigar Bar, Kells, 15 Romolo, Monroe. Note that the main area (Broadway) tends to get a little bit rowdy and there are often a lot of fights there.

Mission: There are some hot hipster girls but they are not usually at the bars. They are usually at house parties, or with groups at restaurants, you have to get in with the scene for that. Elbo Room can be worth a look. Though technically not in the Mission, if you are a hipster or into hipster girls you should also hit up Rickshaw. Public Works is completely random, it can be great, and it can be horrible.

Other: Raven in SOMA was decent for a while last year, not sure how it is now.

***NONE of the above are actually good options. They are the least bad that I know of, if you are out in SF at night.

Make sure that you aggressively run street game while walking between bars in Marina, Polk or downtown. I've often had better luck with that than actually gaming inside the bars/clubs.

Really, I think one of the best ways to night game in SF is to get a good wing man that you enjoy just drinking with. And then hit up a ton of small bars and restaurants. You might do 2 or 3 districts and probably 10 venues or more, but if you are patient you might run into some talent that way.

Or try it rolling solo. Just walk into small bars. If there is some talent, order a drink and stay. If you need to stall to decide then get a water or use the bathroom. If it's clearly dead then just pretend you were checking your phone and bounce to the next bar.

Summary:
Don't come to SF unless there is some compelling business or personal reason. If you do come here, get in with the nightlife industry somehow, or become a daygame expert. Get a motorcycle. Join a band or start DJ-ing. Do anything you can to separate yourself from being another beta office dude. You really need to establish a distinct brand or image here.

Travel frequently on weekends, to LA, Vegas, Mexico, Texas, wherever, it will help you keep your ahead above the bullshit and if you regularly go places where you can actually see real talent, you will be better able to put SF girls in their rightful place and avoid thirsty behavior... which will actually increase your chances of banging them.

I have not touched online, that is probably important but I hate online. Whenever I checked out online, the girls looked absolutely horrible and I had to spend hours searching to find one that was even bangable.

If you're not successful within your first 6-12 months start making plans to get out. From what I have seen guys either kill it here or they don't so don't waste your time if you find yourself in the second group. If your game is not already at advanced level, this is one hell of a tough place to learn.
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RE: San Francisco, Bay Area Data Sheet
Great sheet. I'm here right now in SF but no time for gaming. I think Berkley is a better option.

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RE: San Francisco, Bay Area Data Sheet
I agree. Unless you have contacts in SF with specific hookups for clubs or parties, it's not worth it. Even if you pickup a girl, good luck getting her to truck back to East Bay. That said, if you do go there, Polk Street is probably your best chance for a quick ONS but also lower quality.

In my opinion nothing in SF can compete with a gigantic college campus. I would just stick to daygame around UC Berkeley. Also I have heard that Oakland is coming up now, mostly due to hipsters who can't afford SF anymore, so if you are in East Bay that might be a viable night-time option. You can also try hitting up Walnut Creek for more of a frat-type scene.

(09-03-2014 09:39 AM)rishboy77 Wrote:  Great sheet. I'm here right now in SF but no time for gaming. I think Berkley is a better option.
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(08-19-2014 05:34 PM)amazoncrime Wrote:  I agree with some of the intel but women who live in the city are known for being cold and often unapproachable.

My expat-friend in Saigon says the same thing. He says the scene is horrid in SF and feminism has absolutely taken over w/ women trying to be too "strong" and shit. Personally i had a great experience in SF a couple years ago, the women are the most feminine in the country IMO
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