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(06-15-2011 05:37 PM)kickboxer Wrote:  To avoid any awkwardness of putting on a jimmy, I make the girl put my condoms on for me.

Last time I did that she tried to roll the thing all the way down, and I shredded it in like 5 minutes. The old cliche: if you want something done right... probably applies here, unfortunately.
06-16-2011 10:35 AM
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Aside from the STD's, child support payments can really damage your ability to travel.

Having said that, VERY FEW times I was told by a chick to put a condom on. I had to be the one to think of it. It is really kind of surprising how many chicks won't even mention it.
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(06-15-2011 04:45 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  As a guy that, historically, has raw-dogged new talent only rarely, I'm curious to get the community's input on the matter. I've been thinking of slightly loosening my own "policy" on raw-dogging (strictly for higher-value females I encounter), but want to get the perspective of a trusted resource. Grouphug

1. What sort of factors (apart from the obvious "skank factor" and nothing-to-lose-only-to-gain-single-mother factor) go into that decision for you guys?

2. What percentage of new girls do you raw-dog? If you started off raw-dogging a girl, do you raw-dog her all the time after that?

3. How do girls usually receive your efforts to go in bareback? Do most acquiesce with no protest? Do they invite you in bareback, assuring you they're "on the pill"?

4. Do you have a case-by-case attitude toward raw-dogging or an across-the-board policy?

5. Do your policies on raw-dogging vary according to her status within your "rotation" (a regular, a "made" member of your harem, a girl that you've pounded a few times, a brand new prospect)?

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1) The Skank factor is huge, but thankfully a sister, mostly female cousins and a decade of dealing with women has given me a good Slut Radar™.

Fact is, if it's a girl I've taken out a few times, have poked around in her head and things have escalated slowly, I'm more open to no dome than I would be a girl that I picked up in the club who was grabbing my cock on the dance floor. This is because I know who the first girl is, and the second girl, chances are I'm not the first guy that fucked her the same night he met her.

2) Condoms suck, and I hate them, but I always try to use one on new girls the first few times at least.

But I'm not gonna lie and say I sometimes don't break my own rule. Sometimes there's too much liquor, or I forgot to carry one out, or she doesn't have anything that fits. That is not going to stop me banging a girl.

You want a percentage? New girls that get raw-dog is maybe 30-45%.

3) Most girls say 'I'm on the pill', but unless I see the case, then I don't believe it. Back when I started getting laid regularly (about 6 years ago), they would almost always demand/suggest a condom. Now I'd say only about 1 in 3 girls do that. Miraculously, I have never had an STD and have only had a tiny handful of pregnancy scares.

A sign of the times, or my game getting tighter? Are things changing in the marketplace, or am I putting off a more dominant vibe that makes women want me to impregnate them? Chicken and the egg.

4) Case-by-case. As I said, give me three hours with a girl (which is about two dates) and I could gauge her sluttiness and form a reasonable estimate of the number of men she has fucked to within +/- 2.

Girl I went out with two nights ago, sweet, 22, small-town, feminine, laughed at my jokes, didn't breach the topic of sex until I did has a single-digit notch count. When I fuck her next week, I'll have no remorse sliding in unprotected.

Friend of a friend I met at the bar last night; hammered (at 8 PM), 28, loud, smoker, fondling my chest, tattoos on her wrist and ankles...I would not go in raw unless I absolutely had to.

5) Well girlfriends are no condom most definitely...don't people get girlfriends so they can stop buying condoms?

Regulars vary by the girl. If she wants one, she gets one, if not, she doesn't.

As a caveat, if a girl is fucking other guy[s], she gets one.

'Made' member? I'm not sure what you mean. I'll assume it's a girl who is in your orbit, but isn't really close to the center, like my half Scandinavian half-Muslim ex-co-worker the 20-year-old drug dealer I have in rotation but only hear from every few months. Condoms.

Fresh prospect? If I deem her worthy and she doesn't put off a slut vibe (they're good at hiding it, but I always discover it) then I don't mind. If she asks for one, then I'll do it.
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(06-16-2011 03:45 PM)Nonpareil Wrote:  4) Case-by-case. As I said, give me three hours with a girl (which is about two dates) and I could gauge her sluttiness and form a reasonable estimate of the number of men she has fucked to within +/- 2.

Gonna have to call you out on this one.

Bullshit

Maybe for the near-virgins, that's it.

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Quote: I've accepted that my dick is an instrument of unmentionable disgustingness.

Ditto. My dick is dirty.. I know it.. girls know it.. but they want it raw anyway.

I will say that 80% of my anxiety in life comes from the repercussions of going raw.

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(06-16-2011 04:01 PM)Gmac Wrote:  
(06-16-2011 03:45 PM)Nonpareil Wrote:  4) Case-by-case. As I said, give me three hours with a girl (which is about two dates) and I could gauge her sluttiness and form a reasonable estimate of the number of men she has fucked to within +/- 2.

Gonna have to call you out on this one.

Bullshit

Maybe for the near-virgins, that's it.

Hey, I'm not saying I'm always right, but if you go out with enough girls you start to see patterns emerge. When you know what to look for, telling a slut from a good girl isn't too hard.
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I've been raw dogging my girlfriend and we had to wait until her period before she could start on the pill. Her period is over a week late. Fuck my life.
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(06-16-2011 05:43 PM)peterthephoenix Wrote:  I've been raw dogging my girlfriend and we had to wait until her period before she could start on the pill. Her period is over a week late. Fuck my life.

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(06-16-2011 05:43 PM)peterthephoenix Wrote:  I've been raw dogging my girlfriend and we had to wait until her period before she could start on the pill. Her period is over a week late. Fuck my life.

So you were raw-dogging, but you weren't pulling out? Eek.
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(06-16-2011 04:39 PM)Roosh Wrote:  
Quote: I've accepted that my dick is an instrument of unmentionable disgustingness.

Ditto. My dick is dirty.. I know it.. girls know it.. but they want it raw anyway.

I will say that 80% of my anxiety in life comes from the repercussions of going raw.

To me that is the worst part and ALMOST makes it not worth it...almost.
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Some obvious points
I'm just going to take the liberty of stating the obvious here, and point out that if you raw-dog with contraceptive foam or gel, that cuts the risk of pregnancy way down. And if in addition you make an effort, even if it's only a half-assed one, to avoid her fertile periods of the month, that cuts the risk down even further. I'd much rather do those two things than pull out, which to me ruins so much of the pleasure of sex that in some ways I'd rather just jerk off.

Yes, contraceptive foam or gel together with the rhythm method (whether in a sophisticated or a primitive version) isn't perfectly safe, but then what is? We shouldn't fall into the trap, which conservative types are always trying to set for us, of assuming that imperfect contraceptive methods are of no use whatsoever. There has to be a sane balance struck between pleasure and risk. (And of course it also helps to be with a partner who you can count on to act sensibly and not like a psycho if she gets pregnant--and I know that's asking a lot.)
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Condoms every time. Every time. It is simply not worth the risks.

I've known enough people who knocked up the wrong girls to know better.
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(06-16-2011 04:44 PM)Nonpareil Wrote:  
(06-16-2011 04:01 PM)Gmac Wrote:  
(06-16-2011 03:45 PM)Nonpareil Wrote:  4) Case-by-case. As I said, give me three hours with a girl (which is about two dates) and I could gauge her sluttiness and form a reasonable estimate of the number of men she has fucked to within +/- 2.

Gonna have to call you out on this one.

Bullshit

Maybe for the near-virgins, that's it.

Hey, I'm not saying I'm always right, but if you go out with enough girls you start to see patterns emerge. When you know what to look for, telling a slut from a good girl isn't too hard.

Regardless, this would make a great carnival game. Much more entertaining than "guess your age, birthday, etc."
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I was pulling out, but you know that shit isn't always 100. Lesson to you all, wrap your shit.
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I can offer a few thoughts. Some of this has been already pointed out. But it's useful to see them all together.

1. The more alpha the dude, the less the girl wants a condom.

This is true. Condoms are logical entities. They interrupt the flow of pure emotion. The more alpha the dude, the less logical she will be.

2. Girls are starting to resist condoms as consequences decline.

Medical technology has advanced significantly since condoms were introduced, both in birth control and STD treatment. Girls have less reason to insist on condoms.

Reverse the male logic on when and why to use a condom, and you can see the reasons a girl might not want to.

A man wants to use a condom because:
A. He thinks/knows the girl is a potentially diseased slut
B. He does a lot of ONS's and wants to keep his exposure low
C. There's less trust because it's the first time they've banged
D. He doesn't want to get her pregnant and then be stuck with her forever.

All of those reasons are rapport breaks. So when a man insists on a condom, he's subcommunicating a rapport break. And then jamming that rapport break up inside the bitch.

3. A condom is pre-meditated slut-hood. It requires a logical choice to have sex... and to have enough sex that disease prevention becomes a high priority. This interferes with the hamster's goal of maintaining the "it just happened" myth.

4. Girls have an instinctual desire for maximum intimacy and insemination, which a condom interferes with. The bigger the alpha, the stronger the desire.

5. Condoms are less fun for both parties.

6. This last one is just a poorly-articulated hunch... but... I think the symbol of the condom has changed. It used to be about female protection and empowerment, letting her cheat. Now dudes are probably more on board with it... don't get that bitch pregnant, wrap up your dick before you bang that filthy skank, etc.

And somehow, I think as the socio-sexual climate has become more libertine, and alphas enjoy ever freer reign, the female priority has shifted from "enjoying herself" on the side, to having great difficulty securing the long-term attention of an alpha. And so a condom speaks volumes about the commitment of the alpha currently banging her. Girls are more desperate for intimacy than they were in the past.

All of which you can take advantage of by indulging in your raw dog and creampie fetish, as long as you have a good emergency expatriation plan.
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Thats crazy.. do you guys know the number of people out there with hiv? I always, always use a condom..even with my girlfriend of 2 years i used to wear a condom...

Im not looking to have kids that early, plus i dont want to catch aids or anything like that. Use a condom, always.

But yeah i agree with everybody else when they say that girls dont really care about condoms..most of the girls i have fucked, never really cared about using condoms (evn though i used it)
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(06-16-2011 05:43 PM)peterthephoenix Wrote:  I've been raw dogging my girlfriend and we had to wait until her period before she could start on the pill. Her period is over a week late. Fuck my life.

Congrats on becoming a father!

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(06-17-2011 10:03 AM)Mystik Wrote:  http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read...sexual-sex
http://www.virusmyth.com/aids/index/drasnick.htm

I generally agree with the article on Straight Dope. The chances of spreading HIV between 2 heteros having normal sex who are in the low risk category is so small it's not worth making a big deal about. However, this 1 in 5 million number is based on a single incidence. Meaning if you had sex once in your life with a low risk woman without a condom, you'll have a 1 in 5 million chance of getting HIV. However with each incidence of sex and with more partners, that number drops dramatically. That's why damn near a third of some southern African countries are HIV positive. A lot of people fucking like rabbits and nobody using rubbers. Do the math.
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1. The straight dope article is nearly 25 years old!
2. I wouldn't trust anything off that virusmyth web site. Heavy bias.

Here's a more recent study:

http://www.natap.org/2008/Trans/Trans_03.htm

Heterosexual transmission does happen, especially when other risk factors are present.

We can dissect statistics all day, but I don't know if going by "there's a low chance" is a good strategy to prevent getting infected. When I do something risky I'm fully aware that I'm rolling the dice. I'm not going to kid myself and think I'm immune.

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the fertile period is 2 weeks before she gets her period right? Thats what I did with an ex.... problem is you don't know if she was going to get her period early or late and fuck of the time when she would be fertile. But right before and right after her period its pretty safe right?
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To become a father of a bastard or not to become a father of a bastard?

This is the only thing that crosses my mind, I wrap it up unless i'm getting oral.
The pull out method doesn't work in the long run, don't believe me, just ask your parents. lol

But seriously, I've seen way too many young dudes have their lives ruined because they thought some random broad wasn't going to keep the
baby if she got pregnant. So when i'm planning trips to asia, they're planning trips to legoland.
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It's case by case. Obviously STDs and pregnancy are the fear factors. The decision has to do a lot with who the girl is and her sexual behavior before we bang. If for example she decides to blow me on date 1, then tries to shove my dick inside her without a condom on date 2, I will not raw dog the girl.

Take another girl who takes 5-6 dates over a month to get in the sack, she's a professional(good or high paying job) I will probably go raw dog a some point. First her behavior has told me that she's not just slamming every guy in sight and because of her career if a slip happens, she's most likely not keeping the baby.

Percentage is a tough question, I usually always use a condom for the first several times, but have before gone raw dog the first time I had sex with a girl(we ended up in bed on date 4), usually if I keep dating her eventually I will go raw dog.

Again how it's received depends on the girl, I knew one girl who insisted on a condom for 6 months of a LTR where we were both monagamous and STD free(recent tests) but eventually she wanted to have sex bareback, but she was the toughest case I've ever seen. It was literally six months of dating and sex before she accepted having unprotected sex even though she was on the pill.
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She's not pregnant! Drinks on me!!

It's messed up that the only way to be 99.9% safe is for your girl to be on the pill and to wear a condom as well

Can't wait for the man-pill
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