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(12-06-2015 05:28 PM)CrashBangWallop Wrote:  So I am now the coach of 3 current English title holding kickboxers and 2 regional title Kickboxers.

Every time I see my guys fight I can't help but think I should make a comeback.

Superheavyweight 2016?

Let's do this shit. 34 is still young right? Haha!

That is awesome mate. I hope I get the chance to train with you some day.
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(12-06-2015 05:28 PM)CrashBangWallop Wrote:  So I am now the coach of 3 current English title holding kickboxers and 2 regional title Kickboxers.

Every time I see my guys fight I can't help but think I should make a comeback.

Superheavyweight 2016?

Let's do this shit. 34 is still young right? Haha!

That is awesome mate. I hope I get the chance to train with you some day.

Thankyou.

I'm sure you'd kick my ass if we sparred without legs though, irrespective of size difference!

Next time I'm down saaaaf the beers are on me buddy Smile
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(12-06-2015 05:28 PM)CrashBangWallop Wrote:  So I am now the coach of 3 current English title holding kickboxers and 2 regional title Kickboxers.

Holy crap!

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(12-06-2015 05:43 PM)CrashBangWallop Wrote:  
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(12-06-2015 05:28 PM)CrashBangWallop Wrote:  So I am now the coach of 3 current English title holding kickboxers and 2 regional title Kickboxers.

Every time I see my guys fight I can't help but think I should make a comeback.

Superheavyweight 2016?

Let's do this shit. 34 is still young right? Haha!

That is awesome mate. I hope I get the chance to train with you some day.

Thankyou.

I'm sure you'd kick my ass if we sparred without legs though, irrespective of size difference!

Next time I'm down saaaaf the beers are on me buddy Smile

You're kind to say so mate, but one of my coaches was an ex-pro Polish kickboxer, and I've sparred a few who crossed over, and without exception I've been very impressed at just how good the hands are on guys who've been good kickboxers - I suspect you don't become a good kickboxer without also being a good boxer too.

I will definitely take you up on that beer.
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(12-06-2015 05:53 PM)H1N1 Wrote:  
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(12-06-2015 05:36 PM)H1N1 Wrote:  
(12-06-2015 05:28 PM)CrashBangWallop Wrote:  So I am now the coach of 3 current English title holding kickboxers and 2 regional title Kickboxers.

Every time I see my guys fight I can't help but think I should make a comeback.

Superheavyweight 2016?

Let's do this shit. 34 is still young right? Haha!

That is awesome mate. I hope I get the chance to train with you some day.

Thankyou.

I'm sure you'd kick my ass if we sparred without legs though, irrespective of size difference!

Next time I'm down saaaaf the beers are on me buddy Smile

You're kind to say so mate, but one of my coaches was an ex-pro Polish kickboxer, and I've sparred a few who crossed over, and without exception I've been very impressed at just how good the hands are on guys who've been good kickboxers - I suspect you don't become a good kickboxer without also being a good boxer too.

I will definitely take you up on that beer.

The thing with Kickboxing is that it isn't Muay Thai. If your hands aren't there, you're getting fucked up.

I'm gonna head off to Thailand for two months late feb for my own private camp ahead of a June comeback but I'll be in your zone just beforehand to see my sisters before I go...will be in touch!
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(12-06-2015 06:05 PM)CrashBangWallop Wrote:  
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(12-06-2015 05:43 PM)CrashBangWallop Wrote:  
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(12-06-2015 05:28 PM)CrashBangWallop Wrote:  So I am now the coach of 3 current English title holding kickboxers and 2 regional title Kickboxers.

Every time I see my guys fight I can't help but think I should make a comeback.

Superheavyweight 2016?

Let's do this shit. 34 is still young right? Haha!

That is awesome mate. I hope I get the chance to train with you some day.

Thankyou.

I'm sure you'd kick my ass if we sparred without legs though, irrespective of size difference!

Next time I'm down saaaaf the beers are on me buddy Smile

You're kind to say so mate, but one of my coaches was an ex-pro Polish kickboxer, and I've sparred a few who crossed over, and without exception I've been very impressed at just how good the hands are on guys who've been good kickboxers - I suspect you don't become a good kickboxer without also being a good boxer too.

I will definitely take you up on that beer.

The thing with Kickboxing is that it isn't Muay Thai. If your hands aren't there, you're getting fucked up.

I'm gonna head off to Thailand for two months late feb for my own private camp ahead of a June comeback but I'll be in your zone just beforehand to see my sisters before I go...will be in touch!

I look forward to it - I'm always happy to do some traveling to make these things happen.
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Great stuff CBW.
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"Let's do this shit. 34 is still young right? Haha!"

Do it, i wish I never left it so long already. I am 35 and not fought in 12 years but after seeing the guys I train with go 3 for 3 with two 1st rnd stoppages and a 2nd rnd stoppage on Fri night, I am going to get back in early next year. Prob K1 to start and move to MMA once my ground game improves.

This is a pic from my last fight for S/area MT title back in 2003.
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What do you guys think of the recent ROK article about self defense? I don't know enough to comment on the techniques mentioned if it is a fast way to get trained.

https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-52309.html

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(12-15-2015 01:25 AM)samsamsam Wrote:  What do you guys think of the recent ROK article about self defense? I don't know enough to comment on the techniques mentioned if it is a fast way to get trained.

https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-52309.html

I glossed over it, but I didn't see any mention of sparring, so I wouldn't really endorse it personally. There's a million + who look good shadow boxing or on pads, it's another story when your target can A) move and B) hit back.

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Im with nek, people will be misguided and think they're hot shit after doing those drills.

The drills aren't bad, but the reason behind why you do those drills won't be understood. Like the shrimp for example, I doubt anyone who only followed that article would have any idea how to use it to create space from their opponent to escape.

As nek said, there is no sparring.

Still it's better than nothing. But I would never recommend only that.

Side note, is that the new mike chang version of ROK articles?
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Hopeless, in my opinion.

Much better: http://judoinfo.com/pdf/tough.pdf

Get Tough by WE Fairburn is still the best summary of unarmed lethal combat. A few low-skill, high-effect techniques executed with extreme aggression will trump most of the fancier approaches. Much of the value in things like Tony Blaur's SPEAR system, or Marc Macyoung's animal classes etc, is that they offer the opportunity to live test under the guidance of an experienced instructor in a simulate d high stress environment. For that alone, they are legit and seem absolutely worth while.

That said, you can get a fair bit of this from sparring in combat sports that require you take punches and/or kicks. There are few things more deemoralising than being punched in the teeth. The ability to maintain composure under duress/whilst in pain, whilst acting with extreme aggression is usually decisive. If there is a big disparity in size between you and your opponent, pick up a rock Wink .
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Yeah, that article is a load of bollocks, frankly.

Without proper training from a coach who knows what they're doing, every single thing in that article is impossible to learn properly by oneself.

Someone trying to teach themselves at home with a punch bag is gonna look rubbish on the pads too, let alone in reality. I've seen it myself a million times with guys who've come to my gym having "trained themselves at home". Never met one who isn't awful.

I wish clinching and delivering knee strikes was as easy as it seems to suggest in this article!

This shit can get you hurt...it's irresponsible in my opinion. (Only last week I was showing a 6'2, 95kg kickboxing instructor of mine what clinching is like, as it's not part of kickboxing. With one simple movement of my arms of about 6 inches I hurled him to the floor...he was stunned at how it had happened and he's a strong guy used to rough and tumbling). An opponent who has had even an hour of clinching training done will seriously ruin a reader of this article's day if they engage in this stuff.

When I became Editor of the martial arts magazine I worked for years ago the very first thing I did was get rid of the 6 page articles trying to teach people techniques through words and photos. Now these were in depth articles written by experts for existing martial artists and I still felt they were valueless. Trying to teach beginners via a couple of photos and a few lines of text?? Ridiculous.

I honestly believe that, irrespective of how much money has been paid for the publication of the article, it should be taken down.

I used to reject advertorial all the time in my old job on the basis that it was either nonsense or downright misleading. Quality control is essential to preserve the goodwill of your readership.
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That is what I figured, but I didn't want to ignore it if there was some value there. But if it was valuable (based on feedback here), I might have looked into it a bit more.

I could see someone doing those exercises thinking they knew what they were doing and get themselves hurt in a real situation.

I'll just stick with boxing.Thumb up

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(12-15-2015 04:15 PM)samsamsam Wrote:  That is what I figured, but I didn't want to ignore it if there was some value there. But if it was valuable (based on feedback here), I might have looked into it a bit more.

I could see someone doing those exercises thinking they knew what they were doing and get themselves hurt in a real situation.

I'll just stick with boxing.Thumb up

Have a look at the Get Tough manual. Once you have a bit of sparring and what have you under your belt, it becomes much easier to integrate a few variations that are more effective for self-defense, such as the open handed, heel of the palm upper cut advocated by Fairburn. If you can set up an opening for an uppercut, and throw it right, then it is reasonable to my mind to expect to be able to make minor adjustments 'in the field', as it were. What you want to avoid, obviously, is trying a wrist lock for the first time when someone is trying to stab you, or things that are way out of your wheelhouse. Under stress, you'll revert to what you've trained. Being conscious enough to throw the uppercut with an open hand could make a big difference to the damage you incur. You can practice these variations extensively through shadow boxing, since they are only really minor tweaks to an effective technique that you have already stress tested.
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I just started going to a Martial Arts place near my house (im taking Muay Thai and Krav Maga) and my sister has been taking Wing Chun, Gumdo and Tae Kwon Do. she has been saying that, according to her instructor Wing chun is better/more practical than Muay Thai and Krav Maga. Is there any truth to this or is she just trying to put what im doing as not as good as what she does?
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(01-20-2016 10:13 PM)Gordax Wrote:  I just started going to a Martial Arts place near my house (im taking Muay Thai and Krav Maga) and my sister has been taking Wing Chun, Gumdo and Tae Kwon Do. she has been saying that, according to her instructor Wing chun is better/more practical than Muay Thai and Krav Maga. Is there any truth to this or is she just trying to put what im doing as not as good as what she does?

The effectiveness of a style depends more on the student and the teacher who is instructing rather than simply what the style is.

I would say any instructor that is out badmouthing other styles is trying to spread rumors to increase his own revenue. For you if you are just starting the most important thing is to find a style that makes you want to return the next day. And then the next day after that and so on.
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Like CrashBang said, you aren't going to learn how to fight, or bjj, or how to box from a book. Likewise, you aren't going to learn any of those things from watching youtube videos. Can they be a good supplement to your training? Absolutely. Nothing is a better teacher than getting your ass kicked, hours in the gym, and a coach that can guide you.
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(01-20-2016 10:13 PM)Gordax Wrote:  I just started going to a Martial Arts place near my house (im taking Muay Thai and Krav Maga) and my sister has been taking Wing Chun, Gumdo and Tae Kwon Do. she has been saying that, according to her instructor Wing chun is better/more practical than Muay Thai and Krav Maga. Is there any truth to this or is she just trying to put what im doing as not as good as what she does?

Impossible to say.

Excellent Wing Chun will beat terrible anything. Etc etc.

Just going to a Muay Thai/Krav class doesn't mean it's any good or what's being taught is correct.

If I had a £ for every "Muay Thai" practitioner I've seen who, after months of training still doesn't pivot on their kicks or who can't punch to save their lives, I'd be a rich man. Basic fundamentals either not taught or applied properly, rendering it mostly useless.

If I had a £ for every Krav Maga class I've seen that is total and utter bullshit, I'd be even richer again.

On the whole though, Wing Chun has a bit of a reputation as a joke in martial arts circles. Even within the Kung Fu World it's considered a bit silly.

TKD gets a bad rap due to a) The nonsense version they do at the Olympics and b) its prevalence in the McDojo, Black Belt School, business models. Proper TKD is as good as any other martial art. Finding that version though is all but impossible in the West.

As for Gumdo...I've just had to Google it as I've never come across it in a lifetime in this Biz. Korean Kendo it would seem? My guess would be that it is interesting, pretty to watch and enjoyable to train...but 100% rubbish for self defence etc.

People train martial arts for all different reasons, and I respect that...the problems come when those training styles not conducive to real combat believe that they are.
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(01-20-2016 10:13 PM)Gordax Wrote:  I just started going to a Martial Arts place near my house (im taking Muay Thai and Krav Maga) and my sister has been taking Wing Chun, Gumdo and Tae Kwon Do. she has been saying that, according to her instructor Wing chun is better/more practical than Muay Thai and Krav Maga. Is there any truth to this or is she just trying to put what im doing as not as good as what she does?

The effectiveness of a style depends more on the student and the teacher who is instructing rather than simply what the style is.

I would say any instructor that is out badmouthing other styles is trying to spread rumors to increase his own revenue. For you if you are just starting the most important thing is to find a style that makes you want to return the next day. And then the next day after that and so on.

Have to agree with this.

For a TMA Instructor it's pretty telling really.
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thanks for the reply's! I am doing my best in my classes and my instructor is giving me helpful tips as well as constantly reminding me to keep my fists up, elbows in, pivot correctly, extend my arms correctly and much more. I wasn't too bothered by what my sister said because I don't hold her opinion or the opinion of someone I have never met in high esteem.

here is the site of the place I go to http://www.mbdmartialarts.com/#!instructors/c1eww the only person I get trained by is Ben so you can disregard everyone else.
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There's no easy way to say this...but...

I think you need to find a new place to train.

I'm not convinced your man is either a kru or a krav maga instructor...outside of his own mind.

Sorry.
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(01-21-2016 07:48 PM)CrashBangWallop Wrote:  There's no easy way to say this...but...

I think you need to find a new place to train.

I'm not convinced your man is either a kru or a krav maga instructor...outside of his own mind.

Sorry.

well I paid for the whole of January so I guess I might stop then but I didn't see any other places near Des Plaines that were any good.

also can ya elaborate on why you think that way?
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(01-21-2016 10:40 PM)Gordax Wrote:  
(01-21-2016 07:48 PM)CrashBangWallop Wrote:  There's no easy way to say this...but...

I think you need to find a new place to train.

I'm not convinced your man is either a kru or a krav maga instructor...outside of his own mind.

Sorry.

well I paid for the whole of January so I guess I might stop then but I didn't see any other places near Des Plaines that were any good.

also can ya elaborate on why you think that way?

A multitude of things, having read the website and scrolled through the Facebook page.

It's mostly the photos. I see techniques being applied incorrectly by both the instructors and the students. Things that I, as a coach, picked up on instantly. For that to be the case on promo photos on a website, i.e. nobody has noticed is strange.

The videos of students are not impressive. Quite the opposite. The basics are not evident. The Kickboxing class and the Krav Maga class videos were just terrible. When there isn't a single student doing anything correctly, you just know that the instructors are horrendous.

These people are traditional martial arts folk. They need to stick to teaching children about bullying etc, not adults who want to learn real combat.

I didn't see a single man amongst the students that didn't look like a, for want of a better expression, a beta fag. You need to train somewhere that real men train.

Well done for getting started though man. Don't let what I've said stop you completely.
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ah well I'll continue to go till the end of January then ill check out some other martial arts places near by.

the three closest I could find other than the one im going to currently:
http://mtcmma.com/
http://www.evolutionmmachicago.com/
http://www.go4martialarts.com/victory-mm...structors/
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