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(01-21-2016 06:00 PM)Gordax Wrote:  here is the site of the place I go to http://www.mbdmartialarts.com/#!instructors/c1eww the only person I get trained by is Ben so you can disregard everyone else.

Sorry there are too many women that teach there. This seems like Planet Fitness.

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(01-22-2016 09:53 PM)samsamsam Wrote:  
(01-21-2016 06:00 PM)Gordax Wrote:  here is the site of the place I go to http://www.mbdmartialarts.com/#!instructors/c1eww the only person I get trained by is Ben so you can disregard everyone else.

Sorry there are too many women that teach there. This seems like Planet Fitness.

did you not see what I just typed? the only person who teaches Muay Thai and Krav Maga classes I go to is Ben.
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(01-23-2016 01:39 AM)Gordax Wrote:  
(01-22-2016 09:53 PM)samsamsam Wrote:  
(01-21-2016 06:00 PM)Gordax Wrote:  here is the site of the place I go to http://www.mbdmartialarts.com/#!instructors/c1eww the only person I get trained by is Ben so you can disregard everyone else.

Sorry there are too many women that teach there. This seems like Planet Fitness.

did you not see what I just typed? the only person who teaches Muay Thai and Krav Maga classes I go to is Ben.


While what you are saying is true, the fact that the school has so many is alerting to say the least.

Not to mention the first face that pops up being a granny was pretty amusing.

Just saw the other gyms you posted.
Definitely see if they offer trial classes for what you want and after checking out all three then decide.
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(01-21-2016 10:40 PM)Gordax Wrote:  
(01-21-2016 07:48 PM)CrashBangWallop Wrote:  There's no easy way to say this...but...

I think you need to find a new place to train.

I'm not convinced your man is either a kru or a krav maga instructor...outside of his own mind.

Sorry.

well I paid for the whole of January so I guess I might stop then but I didn't see any other places near Des Plaines that were any good.

also can ya elaborate on why you think that way?

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Am I the only one who thinks forms (kata) are pretty worthless, or at least compared to other forms of training when it comes to technique and real world application? That's one thing I didn't like in Kung Fu, I learned the two sets of forms to get the yellow sash, but I never practiced them and have more or less forgot the movements or at least the sequence and order they go in. I've always thought that hitting pads or training going back and forth with gloves was more useful over all.

Ofcourse the karate, kung fu, and traditional martial arts say that when you practice the forms over and over again the movements become automatic and you will have them mastered and part of your muscle memory when the time comes to use in real life. My take on it though is that it's not bad to practice at times when you're alone, but punching and kicking, simulating blocking, etc. in the air in a structured sequence isn't going to automatically relate and transfer over when you've got a person trying to punch you in the face.

That's one thing that I think MMA really has right in their training methods and sparring to make the fight as realistic as possible. A lot of times in Karate and Kung Fu the way you practice is in no way similar to how a person is really going to punch you in the streets. That's why you get a lot of nerdy types that do karate and kung fu and make it to black belt, because they learn the forms, and know how to do the moves when a person is stepping forward and punching straight at them and they already know what's coming, but when it comes to real world experience in sparring or a street/mma fight they get the floor wiped with them.
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Kata are good, in this modern world, for those looking for a more meditative, internal, reflective, non-combat based martial experience.

The problems come when they are led to believe by instructors that these moves are in any way shape or form useful for self defence.
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funny thing is I have not seen that guy at the place yet. I paid for the month of January so I'm gonna stay till that's over but the thing is I am getting a really good workout and I do enjoy it quite a lot. also why did u call me gorlax?
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(01-24-2016 06:06 PM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  Am I the only one who thinks forms (kata) are pretty worthless, or at least compared to other forms of training when it comes to technique and real world application? That's one thing I didn't like in Kung Fu, I learned the two sets of forms to get the yellow sash, but I never practiced them and have more or less forgot the movements or at least the sequence and order they go in. I've always thought that hitting pads or training going back and forth with gloves was more useful over all.


I thought this way a while ago.

You need to take them for what they are, part of the ceremonial process or moving up a level. They also serve as points for the students to take techniques and alter them in ways that are more adaptable for their purposes.

It's basically an introduction into the techniques you will/should be using during sparring. Since way back when before the internet having a set of kata would easily allow someone to share various techniques, since each set would have x techniques it'd be a bit easier to not forget a technique that you may use less but others may find useful.

Nothing really beats sparring, but technique practice and drilling is also extremely important.
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(Today 03:06 PM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:
Am I the only one who thinks forms (kata) are pretty worthless, or at least compared to other forms of training when it comes to technique and real world application? That's one thing I didn't like in Kung Fu, I learned the two sets of forms to get the yellow sash, but I never practiced them and have more or less forgot the movements or at least the sequence and order they go in. I've always thought that hitting pads or training going back and forth with gloves was more useful over all.


[I thought this way a while ago.

You need to take them for what they are, part of the ceremonial process or moving up a level. They also serve as points for the students to take techniques and alter them in ways that are more adaptable for their purposes.

It's basically an introduction into the techniques you will/should be using during sparring. Since way back when before the internet having a set of kata would easily allow someone to share various techniques, since each set would have x techniques it'd be a bit easier to not forget a technique that you may use less but others may find useful.

Nothing really beats sparring, but technique practice and drilling is also extremely important.]Quote
Dude you should never stop doing the fundamental / principal forms and standing in tma , more you do it more depth you get. Standing with proper circulation can build up qi/energy, you can literally feel it going through your body from your feet to your head and your body becoming softer, your stance becomes more rooted after several months if you don't cum and best minimal/no sexual activities unless you do sexual yoga/qigong. Even more effects after years.
Ofc you still do sparring or two man exercises, but forms get more power and speed as you do them. Like you said, technique practicing is important, even in boxing or Muay thai, you never stop doing your basic punches and kicks and comboes even if you sparr often. Combo strikes and grappling moves are forms lol.
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(01-24-2016 11:02 PM)Gordax Wrote:  funny thing is I have not seen that guy at the place yet. I paid for the month of January so I'm gonna stay till that's over but the thing is I am getting a really good workout and I do enjoy it quite a lot. also why did u call me gorlax?
My bad, misread the name.

Anyways good for you on starting to train. I started in Judo a few years back and I'm 10 months into BJJ. Can't imagine my life anymore without training and the confidence it provides.

Best of luck with the schools.

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thanks for the encouragement and i was kinda joking about misspelling my name i found it funny though.
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Slightly off topic but do any of you carry those keychains or money clips that are sort of used like brass knuckles? Or you are more likely to break a bone using it (some reviews mentioned this possibility).

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While the skull mini brass knuckles look bad-ass how much time would it take for you to slip them on between noticing a potential conflict and the time from when you would be assaulted?

I can't say I have much of any street fighting experience but I would guess pulling your keys out of your pocket last minute would not be the highest of priorities when someone is coming at you.

http://www.amazon.com/Kubotan-Polymer-Se...B004UW95LY

However, if someone tackles you and you pull this out from your pocket after getting them in guard, I figure it would be a bit easier to use it to poke painful holes in their back or neck.
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cascadecombo,

I thought about that also, that I would need to slip it on, etc.

But I was curious if anyone on RVF used or had one.

May even give a person a false sense of confidence. Best to de-escalate. I'll just have to rely on boxing. But the idea of being able to concentrate my power onto one point seemed sort of intriguing.

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(01-30-2016 05:51 PM)samsamsam Wrote:  cascadecombo,

I thought about that also, that I would need to slip it on, etc.

But I was curious if anyone on RVF used or had one.

May even give a person a false sense of confidence. Best to de-escalate. I'll just have to rely on boxing. But the idea of being able to concentrate my power onto one point seemed sort of intriguing.

You are correct. The best choice is always be armed. Even if you have a pistol, you still have to draw it, aim and hit your target. The same goes for a knife that you regularly carry. You still need to time to create distance, draw it and use it.

The same goes for all these blunt tools that are similar to brass knuckles. The tool is simply a force amplifier. All weapons are an amplification of force that you cannot create with just your body alone.

The advantage of carrying something like money clip (of course following your local laws) is that it allows your strike to have that much more impact on a small, hard surface.

As far as de-escalating goes... I wish that always worked. There are many times when no how skilled your verbal skills are, you will have a physical confrontation on your hands. If you can't evade or outrun your opponent(s)...any tool, even a money clip that functions somewhat similar to brass knuckles is far better then fighting empty handed.

In looking through this thread... I didn't see any mention of one of the best modern books on the moral philosophy of violence. That book is: Meditations on Violence - A Comparison of Martial Arts Training and Real World Violence by Rory Miller.

Miller has written extensively from his experience as a jail guard, interviewing, fighting, and controlling some of the most predatory and nasty men around. Miller is also a defensive tactics instructor, so there is a lot of useful material for those people who have to routinely deal with violent and unstable people. Even if you feel you will never have to deal with violent people, or you have excellent de-escalation skills... this book is gold.

http://www.amazon.com/Meditations-Violen...1594391181
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Anyone know of a good mouthguard for someone with braces?

I have a boxing fight in May & my trainer suggests I start training with the mouthguard I'll be using.

Much appreciated.
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(02-05-2016 05:17 PM)Sonneillon Wrote:  In looking through this thread... I didn't see any mention of one of the best modern books on the moral philosophy of violence. That book is: Meditations on Violence - A Comparison of Martial Arts Training and Real World Violence by Rory Miller.

Miller has written extensively from his experience as a jail guard, interviewing, fighting, and controlling some of the most predatory and nasty men around. Miller is also a defensive tactics instructor, so there is a lot of useful material for those people who have to routinely deal with violent and unstable people. Even if you feel you will never have to deal with violent people, or you have excellent de-escalation skills... this book is gold.

http://www.amazon.com/Meditations-Violen...1594391181

It is a good book so far, thanks for suggesting it.

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(02-16-2016 01:53 AM)dro323 Wrote:  Anyone know of a good mouthguard for someone with braces?

I have a boxing fight in May & my trainer suggests I start training with the mouthguard I'll be using.

Much appreciated.

When I had braces and trained I just used one of the upper and lower guards that hot molds to your teeth. I think like this one:
http://www.amazon.com/Moldable-Double-Mo...B004FA9T8A

However, the issue was when I was really sucking air that the mouthguard would not let me get enough air through the two holes in the mouthguard. So, then I sometimes started using a molded upper (hot mold, in boiling water, then in your mouth) and then putting wax on my lower braces. And, I got cut and bled some. I think now they would have stopped matches based on the blood borne disease policy.
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(02-16-2016 01:53 AM)dro323 Wrote:  Anyone know of a good mouthguard for someone with braces?

I have a boxing fight in May & my trainer suggests I start training with the mouthguard I'll be using.

Much appreciated.

Try this thread page. https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-33100-page-6.html

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Someone training Muay Thai in Bangkok? Would be cool to hang out with someone with the same interest once in a while.
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Not many people in my fraternity are into combat sports. However, one of my brothers is down to throw hands. He's trained in capoeira primarily, whereas my fighting style is a hybrid between boxing and BJJ. That said, I'm somewhat new to both boxing and jiujitsu; been training for about 6 months.

The big thing here is that he's 6'2" and has great reach compared to mine. I'm 5'6", and we're obviously different weight classes. The odds are stacked against me, but sparring is fun, and I've beaten 6'+ guys before in a fight (he didn't know any jiujitsu, so that helped a lot).

I plan on closing distance, ground game, and going for submissions. Wonder if anyone here has gone up against capoeira (saw one guy did capoeira here on the forum) and has any advice for someone from a jiujitsu standpoint.
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(02-28-2016 11:40 PM)The Man w/ the Golden Gun Wrote:  Not many people in my fraternity are into combat sports. However, one of my brothers is down to throw hands. He's trained in capoeira primarily, whereas my fighting style is a hybrid between boxing and BJJ. That said, I'm somewhat new to both boxing and jiujitsu; been training for about 6 months.

The big thing here is that he's 6'2" and has great reach compared to mine. I'm 5'6", and we're obviously different weight classes. The odds are stacked against me, but sparring is fun, and I've beaten 6'+ guys before in a fight (he didn't know any jiujitsu, so that helped a lot).

I plan on closing distance, ground game, and going for submissions. Wonder if anyone here has gone up against capoeira (saw one guy did capoeira here on the forum) and has any advice for someone from a jiujitsu standpoint.

I've trained a bit of capoiera and have some buddies who have trained for years with several visits to brasil to experience it there as well.

The agressive guys should be versed in takedowns and avoiding your shots if you try to tackle the guy. If you are new to bjj I doubt they have taught you much if any takedowns. Next time you go you'll probably get some good use out of a good single leg, I like the sweep single.

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A bit of information on the rules for when you spar would be helpful for advice as well.
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Rules:
No below the belt or headshots. Bare knuckles, shoes off. Guy taps out and the fight is over. Other than that, any fighting style goes.
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^^ Philly shell, keep your chin tucked, be prepared to get hit in the face - it happens all the time with this stuff. You might want to try to gas him a bit with the standup before you go to ground. He might not tap you on the floor, but honestly he is a lot bigger than you and that is going to count for a lot. I'm not sure how much experience you have grappling with bigger guys, but it makes more difference than most realise.

I lived with a brown belt in BJJ who had won several major international open competitions, and who went on to fight pro. We used to spar most evenings in an empty room in our flat. He was 5'7 and 150lbs, I am 6'1 and about 195lbs. I can count on the fingers of one hand the number of times my friend was able to submit me in two years. Being much bigger negates a lot of skill and technique, especially if the bigger guy is strong, aggressive and well conditioned.

For sparring purposes it is a useful opportunity to work on your strategy for beating up bigger guys - soften them up with good body work in standup, then when their conditioning is compromised, take them down and submit them.
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I've decided to take up a martial art. I'm hoping it'll help create some much-needed self-discipline and confidence in me. I haven't decide which art yet though. I was looking at MMA since it seems to incorporate all styles, but Muay Thai also has my interest.
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