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Race?

Oh boy. Here we go.
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(07-19-2015 03:44 AM)Eskhander Wrote:  Race?

Oh boy. Here we go.

Watch the video.

It isn't about race in the context you are assuming. It's about the 'narrative' of race in political correct ideology which assumes all white people are overflowing with privilege. McInnes highlights some fallacies in the ideology.
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(07-19-2015 05:04 AM)Lizard King Wrote:  
(07-19-2015 03:44 AM)Eskhander Wrote:  Race?

Oh boy. Here we go.

Watch the video.

It isn't about race in the context you are assuming. It's about the 'narrative' of race in political correct ideology which assumes all white people are overflowing with privilege. McInnes highlights some fallacies in the ideology.
I watched it , and Gavin is alright but he is not debating someone intelligent. Gavin is wrong on some issues, like immigration. Trump is wrong about that shit too- Mexicans come here and pick fruit, shovel shit and do the stuff we do not want to. The immigration that those guys do not talk about is all the HB visas that take our technology jobs for 1/4 of the pay and put college educated Americans (with student loans) out of work. Gavin (who is Canadian) glosses over Jim Crow, Mandatory Sentencing, "profit" policing in urban communities, and selective enforcement of drug laws. Capitalism is cool, but it is flawed and imperfect as well-Capitalism sent all the manufacturing to China(with a tax cut), Capitalism drove down wages and forces the average American family to have two incomes to raise a child, Capitalism perverted our Democracy and made our politicians whores for the financial elite. I agree with Gavin on most of his opinions,but he needs to debate smarter opponents- that video was like watching a professional boxer beat a child up.
07-19-2015 08:26 AM
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Atlanta Man. I agree with you, he simplifies some of the topics he discusses. It's over a month, not sure exactly, since I watched the video. You're right that the woman is way out of her depth.

Regarding capitalism: I think it has, and is, going through stages of development. Some economic writers and thinkers say that the current system is not capitalism. Here is an example: http://anotherangryvoice.blogspot.co.uk/...my-is.html (disclosure: I'm not a fan of AAV, but his writing is sharp and objective, but he is somewhat 'blue pill', and would not be too pleased his articles were being linked to on a forum like this, tough luck bro.)

In the past, from the 50s to the 80s, a family needed one income to raise a family and buy a house. Like you say, that has changed now, and a family needs two incomes to do that, and they'll be working in to their 60s in some cases. Under the older stages of capitalism that family could retire in their 50s, sell their home, buy a smaller one and have money left over to enjoy their retirement with. That's an almost impossible dream for many today.

Slight digression, nevermind.
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(07-19-2015 08:42 AM)Lizard King Wrote:  Atlanta Man. I agree with you, he simplifies some of the topics he discusses. It's over a month, not sure exactly, since I watched the video. You're right that the woman is way out of her depth.

Regarding capitalism: I think it has, and is, going through stages of development. Some economic writers and thinkers say that the current system is not capitalism. Here is an example: http://anotherangryvoice.blogspot.co.uk/...my-is.html (disclosure: I'm not a fan of AAV, but his writing is sharp and objective, but he is somewhat 'blue pill', and would not be too pleased his articles were being linked to on a forum like this, tough luck bro.)

In the past, from the 50s to the 80s, a family needed one income to raise a family and buy a house. Like you say, that has changed now, and a family needs two incomes to do that, and they'll be working in to their 60s in some cases. Under the older stages of capitalism that family could retire in their 50s, sell their home, buy a smaller one and have money left over to enjoy their retirement with. That's an almost impossible dream for many today.

Slight digression, nevermind.
That was a good link and analysis. Man I love this forum...
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I'll agree that while I like most of what I've seen from McInnes, that 'interview' with Walking-Parody-SJW-Lady was pointless and awkward. I can see the idea - don't let people like this go unchallenged, give her a platform to take apart her ideas one by one. But she's such a blithering idiot that you might as well have interviewed a child, and his interview style was too aggressive to do what should be done with these people; let them talk until they say something truly absurd, let them take their ideas to their logical conclusion, give them enough rope to hang themselves with.

But there's no glory to be had debating the useful idiot SJWs who spout 'rape culture' and 'micro aggressions' like broken records.

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(07-19-2015 08:26 AM)Atlanta Man Wrote:  Mexicans come here and pick fruit, shovel shit and do the stuff we do not want to.

Shit we don't want to do *at the wages offered*. If employers didn't have a bunch of poor immigrants willing to do awful work for dirt cheap they would have to offer high wages to get some of the millions of unemployed Americans to do the work, who would gladly do an unpleasant job for good pay, but not for shitty pay.
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(07-19-2015 10:43 AM)chagataev Wrote:  
(07-19-2015 08:26 AM)Atlanta Man Wrote:  Mexicans come here and pick fruit, shovel shit and do the stuff we do not want to.

Shit we don't want to do *at the wages offered*. If employers didn't have a bunch of poor immigrants willing to do awful work for dirt cheap they would have to offer high wages to get some of the millions of unemployed Americans to do the work, who would gladly do an unpleasant job for good pay, but not for shitty pay.

Sorry, that's wrong.

People often confuse the chicken-egg relationship in regards to immigration.

Immigration is encouraged by the American and European governments, it isn't something that just happens.

It's encouraged because the politicians want to appease business and commerce leaders, corporations etc, who want cheap labour.

The fact that immigration causes social disruption and employment problems for existing inhabitants is of little concern to those in power.

People who hate on immigrants are short-sighted, because if they looked harder, they would see why it is really happening.
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(07-19-2015 11:14 AM)Lizard King Wrote:  
(07-19-2015 10:43 AM)chagataev Wrote:  
(07-19-2015 08:26 AM)Atlanta Man Wrote:  Mexicans come here and pick fruit, shovel shit and do the stuff we do not want to.

Shit we don't want to do *at the wages offered*. If employers didn't have a bunch of poor immigrants willing to do awful work for dirt cheap they would have to offer high wages to get some of the millions of unemployed Americans to do the work, who would gladly do an unpleasant job for good pay, but not for shitty pay.
It's encouraged because the politicians want to appease business and commerce leaders, corporations etc, who want cheap labour.

I know, that was exactly my point.
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(07-19-2015 11:22 AM)chagataev Wrote:  
(07-19-2015 11:14 AM)Lizard King Wrote:  
(07-19-2015 10:43 AM)chagataev Wrote:  
(07-19-2015 08:26 AM)Atlanta Man Wrote:  Mexicans come here and pick fruit, shovel shit and do the stuff we do not want to.

Shit we don't want to do *at the wages offered*. If employers didn't have a bunch of poor immigrants willing to do awful work for dirt cheap they would have to offer high wages to get some of the millions of unemployed Americans to do the work, who would gladly do an unpleasant job for good pay, but not for shitty pay.
It's encouraged because the politicians want to appease business and commerce leaders, corporations etc, who want cheap labour.

I know, that was exactly my point.

OK, sorry brother. I'm a bit tired and my reading comprehension isn't 100% right now.
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(07-19-2015 11:30 AM)Lizard King Wrote:  
(07-19-2015 11:22 AM)chagataev Wrote:  
(07-19-2015 11:14 AM)Lizard King Wrote:  
(07-19-2015 10:43 AM)chagataev Wrote:  
(07-19-2015 08:26 AM)Atlanta Man Wrote:  Mexicans come here and pick fruit, shovel shit and do the stuff we do not want to.

Shit we don't want to do *at the wages offered*. If employers didn't have a bunch of poor immigrants willing to do awful work for dirt cheap they would have to offer high wages to get some of the millions of unemployed Americans to do the work, who would gladly do an unpleasant job for good pay, but not for shitty pay.
It's encouraged because the politicians want to appease business and commerce leaders, corporations etc, who want cheap labour.

I know, that was exactly my point.

OK, sorry brother. I'm a bit tired and my reading comprehension isn't 100% right now.
Again this forum keeps it civil and respectful even on emotional topics, I really appreciate Roosh for making this Forum, for the most part we keep it intellectual around here-You just don't get this on other sites.
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(07-19-2015 10:43 AM)chagataev Wrote:  
(07-19-2015 08:26 AM)Atlanta Man Wrote:  Mexicans come here and pick fruit, shovel shit and do the stuff we do not want to.

Shit we don't want to do *at the wages offered*. If employers didn't have a bunch of poor immigrants willing to do awful work for dirt cheap they would have to offer high wages to get some of the millions of unemployed Americans to do the work, who would gladly do an unpleasant job for good pay, but not for shitty pay.

Exactly. I'm tired of hearing this excuse that people from the USA simply refuse to shovel shit. Even worse, this point never seems to be countered by anyone.

If the the pay is so low that only the most desperate people, who are in the country illegally, are willing to take it - we have a problem. This is not only unfair to unemployed people, it's unfair to allow immigrants to be taken advantage of this way. A job is a job, and if illegals aren't there to do it, then employers would be forced to pay someone a proper wage to get it done.

It's like putting a hardworking poor kid from a 1st world country up against one from a 3rd world country. The 1st world poor kid will surely impress most people but will likely tolerate less bullshit than the immigrant in terms of compensation. You can sit there and call these people lazy all you want, but you're just supporting lower standards for the country and it's workforce, which is disgraceful.
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When Gavin stops cashing in on his White Card to rut his ethnic wife, then I'll take his White Nationalism Lite brand of politics seriously.
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(07-19-2015 08:26 AM)Atlanta Man Wrote:  Mexicans come here and pick fruit, shovel shit and do the stuff we do not want to.

Yea, I remember before the Mexicans came to save us when all our fruit went unpicked and rotted on the ground, and shit just piled up in the streets.

(07-20-2015 03:08 AM)civpro Wrote:  White Nationalism Lite brand of politics

It's like I'm really on tumblr.
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Sure he's not without his faults, but he's very watchable and it helps that he delivers his politics with generous helpings of humour.
This clip of his thoughts on Transexualism is hilarious!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDhY7TilfTg
And this one on gay marriage too, it's one you could conceivably share on Facebook without getting accused of homophobia or bigotry by the social media mafia.
It presents the facts, but with bonus humour included!


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Quote:Celeste Federico 2 months ago (edited)
Gavin Mcinnes, you are completely and totally right. You speak the truth. As a former liberal feminist, I can proudly say that feminism is the greatest swindle and deception of all time.

I didn't have children until I was 36. We were blessed with twins. No, I didn't use fertility drugs. I got pregnant on our first try. I'm 41 now and I truly would LOVE to have another baby. If I started birthing earlier in life, I wouldn't be in the position where my declining fertility competes with my desire for more children. One of my regrets was that I should have followed my instincts and married earlier and started mothering earlier. Inside, this is what I wanted in my 20s and 30s, but I believed I needed to achieve professionally first. Such utter hogwash, inspired by university idiots and our retarded culture.

Prior to mothering, I was busy working and building up my career. On the heels of another promotion, I walked away just when I was reaching my professional peak. I followed love and wanted a family. I moved to the mountains and stayed home full-time for 6 years. Only 3 weeks ago did I start working again, part time, for the sole reason that I want our 5 year old twins to go to a private school.

My new job (at their school) pays for their tuition. It's a simple front desk job. Yes, I make a lot less than I used to. That is by choice. I don't want the responsibility that comes with professional salaries right now. No way. These days, I'm home by 11am and have time for the other things I have to do. I'm 3 weeks in, and they are already wanting to promote me in the Fall and want me to work full time. I have absolutely no reservations about telling them that I will only work part time and that my commitment to motherhood, family and children trumps my commitment to my career. I have been this blunt, and frankly I think they appreciate my honesty.

I have a college education. I travelled the world for my career. I partied with the high rollers, at times. I managed staff and held "titles." I did the martini circuit and wore dazzling heels. I made good money. I was a force and an influencer. And now I'm a receptionist, in the mornings, at a sweet little private school just so that I can be involved in my children's education and pay for it. I'm working way below my skill level and experience level, and I'm fine with it.

Everyday I see rushed and hurried moms drop their kids off (the school also has a daycare wing). When I walk by the infant and toddler rooms and see those sweet little faces without their mommies, I am sad. I am also enormously grateful that I didn't make that choice. We faced some serious economic troubles, and even then, I didn't go back to work. We just figured it out. There was nothing that was going to shift my focus away from the kids.

There's good care at the daycare where I work, but it is no substitute for snuggling in bed with mommy during the day or knowing mommy is just in the other room. There's no substitute for time at the park with mommy, or going grocery shopping with mommy. There's no substitute for taking a walk with mommy in the stroller, or having mommy sit with you for all your meals. There's no substitute for mommy being the pretend voice of your stuffed animals vs. a daycare worker. Daycare does a good job, but it is inferior to mommy time.

If I could advise young women, I'd say: first and foremost, don't have children if you don't intend to raise them. Take some time to figure out what you really want and need in a man and don't settle for less. Get married younger rather than older. Have children in your 20s when you are fertile and have more energy. If you want a career, know you can have one after you raise your children. Many women do this and become incredible contributors. If you're marriage gets hard, stick with it and work on it and give it time. Learn to give more and learn to forgive. Learn that marriage isn't all about you. Nothing will teach you selflessness more than parenting. Have as many children as you can afford, and have less stuff in favor of more family. Lastly, I'd tell them, don't believe a damn word feminism has to say. There's nothing cool about feminism. It's a wolf in sheep's clothing, designed to rob you of your most innate and instinctual longings and gifts in favor of becoming a faithful taxpayer to the State. Screw that shit.

There is joy in being in the kitchen making everything from scratch. I enjoy folding laundry while listening to TED talks or scholarly talks. I get so much joy out of my garden. I love running errands for my husband and meeting him for lunch (on occasion we do the dirty on his lunch hour and he loves that immensely - I love that I can do that for him). I like making the house nice and getting time to snuggle with our kitty (who is pretty much a family member). It all brings me peace. It brings me peace that if my children are sick or if they need me, I do not have a competing priority that stresses me out. I can choose them, always.

For me, getting the kids out of public school is my trade off, for now, but I cannot wait to return back to being at home full time, or at the very least dropping from 20 hrs per week to 10 at the school. There really isn't any career that I want more than being a housewife and mother. I feel no shame in announcing this, though liberal types tend to look down on this position as weakness and less-than-ness. When you get into your 40s, it becomes a whole lot easier to say, "whatever," and actually mean it.

I want to be home when the kids get home. I want them home at 3pm vs. 5 or 6pm. I want to have the cookies ready or some other afterschool snack. I want to volunteer in their class and with the booster club. I enjoy getting them to church on Sundays and seeing them have fun at Sunday School... I'd never do that if I were working full time. I'd be too tired. I want to lead a parent's group at their school. I want to fundraise for them. I want to have less materially in order to give more to them in terms of time. All of this constitutes some of the beautiful building blocks of early life. Don't squander your chance to have this, and provide this, in favor of what feminist say you should be focusing on. They're idiots.

Some moms will say, well, I work full time and do all of that anyway. And I would ask, but what do you have left over for your marriage and for you? Are you perpetually tired, cranky, irritable and longing for more time for yourself? Do you feel like you are doing everything to the best of your ability or are you stretched too thin?

That our society even argues against my points above only says we've reached a point of cultural decline and mental illness. Gavin, you are right... women are happier at home and gradually become more miserable the more they work. The traditional family structure is ideal, though not everyone gets to have it. But, it's still the very best set up for children to be raised in. Families are the fundamental units of society. If we want a better society, keep more women at home.

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This bloke is hilarious and speaks sense. Wonder if he has an RVF account!




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This is one of his best, I was doing some home weights playing this clip in the background, but I had to stop as I was in danger of dropping the barbell on my head, I was laughing so much during it!


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