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RE: 16 years old, need help deciding on career paths
True enough, but it is a unique situation that can be taken advantage of. You can game college campuses all your life but you won't have the same access as living on one. Plus if you are going in for a real degree, you will be as set up for life as you will for anything else. You can still do the stuff you want afterward, be it traveling or whatever. No reason you need to go right from college into a job.

Of course it could be you just have an aversion to institutions and would prefer to do your own thing. But unfortunately in today's hyper-credentialed world there just aren't a lot of options for a guy fresh out of high school.
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(08-10-2015 09:34 PM)Cortés Wrote:  Plan #1: Get a TEFL certification immediately out of High school, teach english, save up and eventually invest in property

Plan #2: Teach english for 4-5 years, go to flight school and become an airline pilot

Plan #3: Go to college, study comp sci, work as an engineer

Plan #4: Out of high school get certified and become a personal trainer

The number one reason why for most people say time moves fast is because they waste it in meaningless ways.

An important question no one in the world is going to ask is "How would I spend 3 to 10 years of my life?"

This actually one of the hardest questions to answer because it is very open ended. It also the most important question in your life. The reason is because that is the minimal amount of time you need to spend to become an expert in something. The great advantage you have is that you can experiment in anything you want. Most people give mediocre advice on how to live life because they themselves are average and just as lost as everyone else and choose not to explore other option. A lot of people being pessimistic about your situation because you are young. Realize that because you are young, anything special or interesting you do will be far more amazing than if some older person did the same task.

Things to do while still in high school

1) Get a part time job- The hardest thing to do is get free money to do what you want to do. But it will help you do the following.

2) Read the following books- The hardest problem to address is that you go to school to read books you are uninterested in. However some books will help you give you a basic shape on life which most people can't.

a) 40 Alternatives to College-By James Altucher
b)The Education of Millionaires-By Michael Ellsberg
c) 7 Habits of Highly Effective People-By Steven Covey
d)Think and Grow Rich-By Napoleon Hill
e)How to Win Friends and Influence People-Dale Carnegie
f)How will you measure your life-By Clay Christensen
g)Zero to One- By Peter Thiel
h)Secrets of Closing The Sale-By Zig Ziglar
i)No B.S. Direct Marketing: The Ultimate No Holds Barred Kick Butt Take No Prisoners Direct Marketing for Non-Direct Marketing Businesses-By Dan Kennedy
j)Bang -By Roosh V
k)Day Bang - By Roosh V
l)Worthless by Aaron Clarey

After reading those books, begin expanding beyond those. Start reading about philosophy, politics, economics, mathematics, classical literature and some engineering books.

3) Go to the Gym- You do it for the following reasons
a)To Be attractive
b)Keep your Body Healthy
c)You your mind in shape(There is a mind and body connection)

4)Explore a subject that you could study for the next 3 to 10 years

5)Take up a musical instrument

As for going to college, here is my advice
1) Wait until you are 23 to go to college-Your not interesting at the age of 18, but you will be more interesting than everyone else at the age of 23. If went to the gym since the age of 16, You would have been getting jacked for 7 years. You'll blow away all the other guys.
2)Only go to college so you can focus on building human capital.
3)Take some time to get college credit by taking the CLEP exams on your spare time to get credits on the cheap. Make sure the colleges you go to accept them.

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RE getting a degree in Comp. Sci.

If you think you've got what it takes it's an all but guaranteed path to good money. Now what most of my coworkers do is they make $80-120k+ but they also spend it all leaving them a permanent slave to the system.

But what if you make, say, 80k ( extremely doable ) but live off of 30k and save or invest the rest? Even if you have loans how quickly will you be paying them off following the above advice? Of course this can be done with any high paying job or business.

An added bonus is that, especially once you have some experience and are good at what you do you have your pick of countries to relocate to with guaranteed employment.

Now the very important, vital aspect to all of this is:

Do not go this route if you know you can't stand the field. Being able to save 50k++ a year is not worth the depression, heart disease and general misery you'll experience if you get into CS solely for the $$.
08-11-2015 03:15 AM
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Cortes,

Teaching ESL in Latin America is 9 times out of 10 not economically sustainable. If you want to do it though, there's no reason you can't, maybe not even for a full year, but for 6 months or whatever.

If you're living with your parents you can work a job and save up a few thousand dollars, pay for the course and go down to Latin America and live it up while working a little, learn Spanish, etc.

I loved the experience and think anyone interested in traveling and learning a new language would too. Just understand you need money for a plane ticket home and it's not a money-making experience, but basically an extended vacation where you work half-assedly to cover some expenses.

I'd completely recommend it, maybe not for a full year but for several months at least.

One thing is that in Latin America people take like a month vacation for Christmas. So if you go after graduating high school, say you arrive in September, you'll pay for lodging, be looking for a job, maybe find one at the end of Sept, work October, get paid one time in November, work November, then have no more work until January basically.

Probably it makes the most sense to go down there sometime in January, with your CELTA certification in hand, and begin looking for work come the end of January when people begin taking classes again. Make sure you have like $8,000 in the bank just to be sure, but if you worked from say, January-August it's not like you're really missing out on anything important in your life, you're there learning Spanish and having a blast, and could come back the same year you left and get started on studying or working.

Definitely study something that will make you serious cash in college.

But if you're serious you can finish college in less than 4 years, there's no need from a financial perspective to spend all 4 years, you could take summer classes and extra classes during the semester and be done in 3 years easily, to make up for your year abroad if you want.

Or take off another year in the middle, or anything you want.

I have a friend who is in his mid 30s, just finished college, and is doing a computer dev job that pays very well. He had done different shit all throguh his 20s without ever going to college, and now he's just starting a high paying tech career. It's definitely no big deal if you finish college at 24 or 25.

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Just an FYI on college and partying:

This should not be your be all end all of school. If you are doing a comp sci degree, put your heart and soul into it. Understand it. Partying and girls are a distraction and a reward. Don't forget that.

Then get an on campus job in desktop support or some other gig in the IT department. A lot of colleges hire students for these entry level roles.

This will give you 4 years of easy cash and excellent resume fodder for the real world. While other fools are slugging it away in the dining hall you will be re-imaging some machine or helping that hot professor with her computer.
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A college degree doesn't have the ROI that it used to have.

I've heard that a lot of people have difficulty in starting with teaching English abroad and transitioning into something bigger. However, I think it can be done and shouldn't be too difficult for a young guy with a lot of motivation.

PolymathGuru already mentioned 40 Alternatives to College -By James Altucher. It is free and only 36 pages so definitely check it out. Also, here is a 50 slide overview of the book - http://www.slideshare.net/JamesAltucher/...to-college
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a few golden tips:

"Fake it until you make it" - for teaching English abroad many schools don't check any of your credentials. Obviously at 18 years old if you have a PHD on your CV they may call you out haha but if you have a Bachelors and a TESL (without ever gettting one) - they will never know or really care. They want a native speaker bottom line. I know this from experience as I have teaching experience / graduate degree etc - the schools have never checked any of my info!!

"Do what you love" (tied in with YOLO ) lol Even if everyone says get a Computer science degree, and you will make a guaranteed 3 million $ a year. Do you really want to spend 40 hours a week staring at a screen? Life is wayyyyyy too short to waste on things that aren't interesting to you or enjoyable.

"Time is priceless" Tied into my last point - you can never replace time. It doesn't matter if you are making 6 figures, but if you spend your entire 20s working 60 hour work weeks in Manhattan - you have used up a priceless resource that you will NEVER get back.

"University is a scam" It is part of the system to keep you poor and eventually make you a wage slave after to pay off your student loans. at 20grand a year (tuition, housing, etc etc) it is the biggest waste of money for many.

"Education is worthwhile" haha to counter my last point - if you are learning something you love, whether to be a Pilot, Renaissance history, or the Politics in Kazakstan, good for you!

Basically you want to enjoy your time on this earth Smile

"Passive income" - you already mentioned buying real estate! Great thinking but don't wait until you are 30. It is the ultimate hustle where if you are successful you can live off passive income.
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(08-11-2015 07:18 AM)Sonsowey Wrote:  Cortes,

Teaching ESL in Latin America is 9 times out of 10 not economically sustainable. If you want to do it though, there's no reason you can't, maybe not even for a full year, but for 6 months or whatever.

If you're living with your parents you can work a job and save up a few thousand dollars, pay for the course and go down to Latin America and live it up while working a little, learn Spanish, etc.

I loved the experience and think anyone interested in traveling and learning a new language would too. Just understand you need money for a plane ticket home and it's not a money-making experience, but basically an extended vacation where you work half-assedly to cover some expenses.

I'd completely recommend it, maybe not for a full year but for several months at least.

One thing is that in Latin America people take like a month vacation for Christmas. So if you go after graduating high school, say you arrive in September, you'll pay for lodging, be looking for a job, maybe find one at the end of Sept, work October, get paid one time in November, work November, then have no more work until January basically.

Probably it makes the most sense to go down there sometime in January, with your CELTA certification in hand, and begin looking for work come the end of January when people begin taking classes again. Make sure you have like $8,000 in the bank just to be sure, but if you worked from say, January-August it's not like you're really missing out on anything important in your life, you're there learning Spanish and having a blast, and could come back the same year you left and get started on studying or working.

Definitely study something that will make you serious cash in college.

But if you're serious you can finish college in less than 4 years, there's no need from a financial perspective to spend all 4 years, you could take summer classes and extra classes during the semester and be done in 3 years easily, to make up for your year abroad if you want.

Or take off another year in the middle, or anything you want.

I have a friend who is in his mid 30s, just finished college, and is doing a computer dev job that pays very well. He had done different shit all throguh his 20s without ever going to college, and now he's just starting a high paying tech career. It's definitely no big deal if you finish college at 24 or 25.

Any idea how much english teachers get paid in South America? Specifically cities in Brazil and Colombia

(08-11-2015 08:42 AM)birthday cat Wrote:  I've heard that a lot of people have difficulty in starting with teaching English abroad and transitioning into something bigger. However, I think it can be done and shouldn't be too difficult for a young guy with a lot of motivation.

Transitioning to something bigger including Real Estate investing? Obviously I would need to live frugally for a few years before I could even consider investing, but do you mean that employers wouldn't look too highly upon teaching experience abroad?

(08-11-2015 11:38 PM)Jagermeister Wrote:  a few golden tips:

"Fake it until you make it" - for teaching English abroad many schools don't check any of your credentials. Obviously at 18 years old if you have a PHD on your CV they may call you out haha but if you have a Bachelors and a TESL (without ever gettting one) - they will never know or really care. They want a native speaker bottom line. I know this from experience as I have teaching experience / graduate degree etc - the schools have never checked any of my info!!

So I can fluff my resume and they wouldn't give a shit? Can others confirm this? I could see this happening in lowering paying schools but surely higher paying employers check?
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Cortes,

When I was in Colombia I got paid about $1,800,000 Colombian Pesos a month, give or take. At the time that was about $1,000 U.S. The exchange rate has changed and now that's more like $750 U.S.

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Let me get this straight...u are only 17 and u want to go to South America to teach English because the girls are hot.
When ur young you should not have to travel to different countries to get hot girls, u should be able to get them where u are. Girls in South America are not interested in young boys anyway. I'm not sure where u think at ur age ur going to get a teaching gig is south america on a beach that gives u an apartment. If u somehow manage this be prepared to return with nothing.
if ur gona do that english thing do it for a year for fun.

My advice.. spend the next ten years making wise decisions setting urself up for life so ur rich when u turn 40. making life decisions based on ur dick getting wet is crazy.

The pilot idea is awesome...do what it takes to become a commercial pilot...work hard on it..eventually work for big company make huge money and travel the world. u r young u can get ur dick wet while u are doing it.

i would go pilot/engineer (whatever is gona pay more in the long run) do fitness on the side. Get successful and rich and worry about travel later.
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Cortes,

You sound like one who doesn't want to live a 'normal', 'average' life deemed out by society. This being said, teaching English and becoming a pilot is a better life investment and would leave to a more interesting and fulfilling life, in my opinion. Especially so if you don't want to be a typical computer jockey.

You say all you uncles, cousins, brothers, parents, etc. recommend the CS route but I say to hell with that. One thing I truly believe younger guys should do is not listen to the advice of their parents and family. Here's why-
They all have your best intentions in mind but through their eyes, perspectives, and life experiences. Not yours.

In the end you should follow your gut and do what you truly want to do. Not what your cousin thinks is the 'smartest' choice.

Try out different things, see what you like. You still have some time as you're still pretty young but it's never too early to start planning.

Good luck.
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Where do you want to be in 10 years?

I would base it off that. You can have fun with the journey no matter where you go.
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(08-12-2015 05:31 PM)Bon Scott Wrote:  Let me get this straight...u are only 17 and u want to go to South America to teach English because the girls are hot.
When ur young you should not have to travel to different countries to get hot girls, u should be able to get them where u are. Girls in South America are not interested in young boys anyway. I'm not sure where u think at ur age ur going to get a teaching gig is south america on a beach that gives u an apartment. If u somehow manage this be prepared to return with nothing.
if ur gona do that english thing do it for a year for fun.

My advice.. spend the next ten years making wise decisions setting urself up for life so ur rich when u turn 40. making life decisions based on ur dick getting wet is crazy.

The pilot idea is awesome...do what it takes to become a commercial pilot...work hard on it..eventually work for big company make huge money and travel the world. u r young u can get ur dick wet while u are doing it.

i would go pilot/engineer (whatever is gona pay more in the long run) do fitness on the side. Get successful and rich and worry about travel later.

Did you even read the post? I'm 16 and I don't want to go to South America just because the women are hot. I've always had a thing for Latin culture having grown up in one and I've always had an interest in Latin American history (hence the username Cortes). Also I'm not looking to get rich. Obviously it would be nice to be rich but I don't want to waste my youth working. I'm young once and I will never be as in shape as I will be under 35/40. Also, I want to travel to South America, Asia, etc before they become too Americanized. Although your response wan't really helpful I appreciate that you put time into responding.

(08-12-2015 06:29 PM)AldoKelevra Wrote:  Cortes,

You sound like one who doesn't want to live a 'normal', 'average' life deemed out by society. This being said, teaching English and becoming a pilot is a better life investment and would leave to a more interesting and fulfilling life, in my opinion. Especially so if you don't want to be a typical computer jockey.

You say all you uncles, cousins, brothers, parents, etc. recommend the CS route but I say to hell with that. One thing I truly believe younger guys should do is not listen to the advice of their parents and family. Here's why-
They all have your best intentions in mind but through their eyes, perspectives, and life experiences. Not yours.

In the end you should follow your gut and do what you truly want to do. Not what your cousin thinks is the 'smartest' choice.

Try out different things, see what you like. You still have some time as you're still pretty young but it's never too early to start planning.

Good luck.

I can definitely see myself doing the pilot route opposed to the CS route. And as for not taking family advice, I see what youre saying. When I told my uncle that I think I want to skip college he told me that I'm fucking myself over. He said that when he was younger he struggled to live off of 60,000 dollars a year in a suburb of a second tier city. But looking at it now, he has a 4k curved 80-something inch TV, a BMW, and buys the new iphone every year, etc so what he said was not suprising.
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Wow! Your lucky you discovered this at your age! And it's great that you are putting a good amount of thought into this. Everybody is saying don't listen too your family and i agree! The only advice they will give you is go to college work an office job get married to some fat bitch and retire with a shit ton of money to buy crap. I think maybe you should be a personal trainer for like 5-8 years, save some $$$, and then live in south america. If the south America thing doesn't work then go to flight school. I think that there's a good datasheet on being a pilot. And don't go to college. Going for the women is retarded, and is clear any career involving a degree is not what you want to do. With this forum a goodd resource is safe to say you'll have a good future
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I wouldn't teach English abroad unless you have decent core skills to make extra income (business, etc)

Comp Sci sounds safe but no job is what you expect it to be.

If I was you, I would take a summer or two and volunteer for companies and see what the people who work there actually do.
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I think Sigma is right on with the Military option. 4-6 years is really nothing. Plus if you play your cards right you'll be traveling a lot too.
I personally would look at the AF since you have an interest in flying. But either the Navy or AF you can fly planes. Crypto school would work too but it sounds like you'd rather not sit at a desk. There are a ton of career options in the service, and you'd get a lot of experience in a short amount of time. At a minimum it's worth checking out to see what options are out there. Just keep in mind the recruiter will promise you the world, and bug the living shit out of you afterwards. Big deal. Frankly, I'd say it's one of the best paths out there for young people now. Particularly if you're not keen on paying for college. They basically pay you to learn stuff.
Also, keep in mind flying isn't as lucrative as it used to be.
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Take what I say with a grain of salt, but if you want to go to become a pilot or go to college, I think the military is a good option.

A lot of current airline pilots are former Navy/Air Force pilots, and if you can cut it in the Navy or Air Force, you can cut it as a civilian.

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It's great that you're out doing your own independent research at this young age. This is commendable, and I suspect you will go far in life by taking it this seriously. This is exactly what every young man should do, but unfortunately most just follow the advice that's thrown at them from above, and end up fucked and not knowing what happened.

My advice to any 16yo would be simple: whatever you do, do not defer to authority. That's the recipe for destroying your life. It's hard to believe that your own parents & relatives would give you advice harmful to your life, but unfortunately they do, more often that not, for the following reasons:
- They are old and set in their ways. Providing any advice contrary to how they've lived their lives would involve admitting they were wrong, and many are so weak that they can't stomach that even if it would help their own flesh and blood.
- They don't understand how the world has changed. Old people and wise people are two separate groups. Most old people are just stone-minded. Wise people are generally a small minority of exceptional men. And what are the chances that by random - your parents just happen to be wise? Because of this, the advice they issue is decades old, and either doesn't work, or is actually detrimental now. A good example of this is in male-female relations and advice around that. College is another example, which now hurts many peoples lives terribly, and yet still gets unconditionally urged upon young men by their parents (or uncle in this case). Always seek out the wisest minds for advice, and take their advice to the exception of all others.
- They have their own selfish desires. Older members of families want to control younger members. This is just part of how families retain cohesion. They want you to stay in their town, they want to be able to call on you and check up on you (and give you more advice), and they want you to marry some women in the same town to keep the family together. Even if that limits your life to 10% of what it could have been. Every young man has a moral obligation to himself and his posterity, to deliberately and forcefully break away from his elder relatives. All his relationships must be to his benefit, and without regard for the benefit of others, and blood relatives are no exception.

You're doing very well OP, keep it up. I'd add one more recommendation: read lots of biographies of successful and well-lived men. You may drawn inspiration from some of them.
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As a recent college grad and high school teacher-

Do your 4 years of college here at a state school/JC then transfer. The debt is pretty minimal if you live at home or work at all during this time. It's a great chance to test yourself socially and score a ton of hot ass. You'll get your degree in whatever, then get your TEFL and teach overseas.

It's better to do it in this order first than try to go back to college when you're older, because when you're older it won't be half as fun. If you wanted to say fuck the expenses, do a semester/year abroad. Debt would be worth the expenses. If you start off early with German and solid grades you could score free college over there.

I'll say this- if you don't do 4 year college you will always be on the social peripheral of people who make money. There's a shared experience of being a freshman, doing your shitty assignments and trying to bang that girl in your undergrad courses.
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(08-21-2015 08:36 AM)Sonoma Wrote:  As a recent college grad and high school teacher-

Do your 4 years of college here at a state school/JC then transfer. The debt is pretty minimal if you live at home or work at all during this time. It's a great chance to test yourself socially and score a ton of hot ass. You'll get your degree in whatever, then get your TEFL and teach overseas.

It's better to do it in this order first than try to go back to college when you're older, because when you're older it won't be half as fun. If you wanted to say fuck the expenses, do a semester/year abroad. Debt would be worth the expenses. If you start off early with German and solid grades you could score free college over there.

I'll say this- if you don't do 4 year college you will always be on the social peripheral of people who make money. There's a shared experience of being a freshman, doing your shitty assignments and trying to bang that girl in your undergrad courses.

Terrible advice. Even topped off with a 'lemming justification' at the end. It seems that since you will spend your entire life in a school of some kind. Out and then immediately back in on the other side of the classroom. If OP reads this advice, he should consider that this poster is an admitted member of the education industry, and thus has a biased opinion. No doubt he'll be spreading this message to the impressionable children he teaches, so they join the ranks of the disgruntled young adults I meet who are always complaining about their crushing college debt and how much they need to work to pay it off.
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(08-10-2015 09:34 PM)Cortés Wrote:  I’m entering junior year in high school in a little over a month. I have been putting a lot of thought into potential careers ever since i found Roosh’s works, this forum, the manosphere, etc, which was about a year ago. I’m extremely adventurous and I hate things being routine, so obviously I know I want a job where it involves traveling and going to new places. Here is the list of potential career paths i could take:

I wish I'd forums like this back in high school.

Quote:Plan #1: Get a TEFL certification immediately out of High school, teach english, save up and eventually invest in property

Go for it. But I don't know how much you will save. Have a good life experience. Focus on where you want to go. This is a great time to go places.

Quote:Plan #2: Teach english for 4-5 years, go to flight school and become an airline pilot

Go for it.

Quote:Once you get enough experience, you essentially go to new places for a living.

Going somewhere doesn't necessarily mean you actually get to visit the place. I've had many flight attendants tell me this. You arrive in the evening, check into a hotel, and leave the next morning. It's not what it's cracked up to be.

Quote:You will get paid a good salary to fly to a new country every week and bang flight attendants.

And then you'll get fired for "sexual harassment."

Quote:Plan #3: Go to college, study comp sci, work as an engineer

Are you interested in computers or being an engineer?

Do not bother with computer science. It's the most overrated career on the planet. There's a reason why people don't stay with it.

Quote:But EVERYBODY is telling me to follow this route. Everybody. My parents, brothers, uncles, aunts, cousins, friends, guidance counselors, teachers, you name it. Why? Cause its stable and pays for the materialistic lifestyle that they all desire.

Do any of these people actually do this kind of work?

Quote:I can telecommute from anywhere, essentially giving me the ability to pick up and move wherever the fuck I want to.

That means they will hire someone in a foreign country to do the same work for less money.

Quote:Also, its not as important but I get 4 years to fuck college chicks who are in their prime and have fun.

How many girls are you fucking now? How often do you fuck one?

Quote:Plan #4: Out of high school get certified and become a personal trainer

What kind of shape are you in? How much do you work out?

Quote:I actually like this path because it pays decently and it provides a flexible career path that allows me to work in many cities in the US and Europe.

This career has some of the highest turnover you'll ever find. I'm amazed at how trainers change at every gym I go to.
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(08-10-2015 10:41 PM)Sigma Wrote:  Just throwing this out there but have you thought about the military? Before you say anything let me give you a possible military scenario.

Join the U.S. navy as a cryptologist. Which is supposed to be spy shit but basically it means you sign a six year contract, 2 of which you are in school learning a foreign language. Not sure which are available but I know for a fact Chinese and Farsi are options.

Pros
1.You get paid to learn a foreign language.
2.Your job is to sit in an air conditioned room and listen to audio files that the Intelligence community has collected and translate.
3. You have more than enough time to get a 4 year degree, on the Navy's dime.
4. You can save a decent amount of money.
5. You will get stationed overseas.
6. You may finagle a signing bonus because it's not a job anyone can get into.
7. You pick up a new language.
8. You get Top Secret clearance which costs around $50,000 (don't quote me on this figure) to get in the private sector (makes you an attractive prospect to future employers once you get out)
9. Health benefits
10. VA loan you can get for a house in the future with 0% interest, since you're interested in investing.

So basically when you're done with your contract you will be a 24 year old that's bilingual, has a bachelors (hopefully), has money (5 figures) saved in the bank, top secret clearance, 4 years work experience, and have the status of veteran.

Now the Con(s)
1. You have to join the U.S. navy.
2. You have to stay in the U.S. navy.
: /

Just giving you another option to think about.


That's actually an interesting proposition. While I STRONGLY discourage people going into the military trying to get one of the traditional "glamour" roles like being in the infantry or piloting an aircraft, there are a number of technically specialized roles that I wholeheartedly recommend. You're typically away from some of the bullshit that goes with being in a typical unit (since most combat unit commanders don't know you exist and wouldn't care if you did). You also leave with some very good exit opportunities available and strong benefits to take advantage of (GI Bill is nothing to sneeze at).

If you enlist your paperwork will have your job code on it. Don't sign any paperwork that doesn't have one you want.



For flying keep in mind those jobs are extremely competitive to get in the military. Your best bet is generally to get into the Air Force Academy / Naval Academy which is an extremely difficult process in and of itself. Once there you'll have to be among the top 10%-15% of an already extremely strong applicant pool there to get to where you're very likely to get it.....and that's judged not just on academics but on peer ratings, physical fitness, etc.
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(08-21-2015 09:41 AM)Phoenix Wrote:  
(08-21-2015 08:36 AM)Sonoma Wrote:  As a recent college grad and high school teacher-

Do your 4 years of college here at a state school/JC then transfer. The debt is pretty minimal if you live at home or work at all during this time. It's a great chance to test yourself socially and score a ton of hot ass. You'll get your degree in whatever, then get your TEFL and teach overseas.

It's better to do it in this order first than try to go back to college when you're older, because when you're older it won't be half as fun. If you wanted to say fuck the expenses, do a semester/year abroad. Debt would be worth the expenses. If you start off early with German and solid grades you could score free college over there.

I'll say this- if you don't do 4 year college you will always be on the social peripheral of people who make money. There's a shared experience of being a freshman, doing your shitty assignments and trying to bang that girl in your undergrad courses.

Terrible advice. Even topped off with a 'lemming justification' at the end. It seems that since you will spend your entire life in a school of some kind. Out and then immediately back in on the other side of the classroom. If OP reads this advice, he should consider that this poster is an admitted member of the education industry, and thus has a biased opinion. No doubt he'll be spreading this message to the impressionable children he teaches, so they join the ranks of the disgruntled young adults I meet who are always complaining about their crushing college debt and how much they need to work to pay it off.

Yeah, I'm not gonna go rack up debt just to score. Like I said, my brothers in college and he worked 30 hours a week in high school, got scholarships, and is working while studying just to pay for tuition. With that debt, I'd have to work like 5 years to pay off before teaching
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I would recommend completing high school. Then start a business and learn how to be an entrepreneur. If your business fails, then try it again with another business. That's real life.

Travel the world if you want to but stay in the USA.

In my opinion, teaching English abroad is only good for the travel experiences and learning new cultures. It is not guaranteed to pay well and living in places like China is rather dodgy.

If you live in China it is very far away and you will get played by Chinese rules and they will win.

If you attend college then be serious about it. Only go if you want to invest in a career for becoming a lawyer, a doctor, or a high paying job that requires an advanced degree.

Personally I believe you should teach yourself to a bachlors degree level or higher. Do most of it with books, on your own. The most important part about attending classes is to learn and watch how other teachers teach.

Do not mess around too much in life. It is like a race against time and time does not always play nicely with people who procrastinate and goof off. Set your goals fast and do not give up easily.
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